Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip Rumours Thread 2011/2012

Backstreet Moyes

People are focusing too much on Nani's poor end to the season on the left. He was excellent from January on 2 seasons ago on the left. He looked knackered near the end of the season so i wouldnt judge him on a handful of games. Saying Young will start every game on the lw is idiotic. Fergie will rotate for certain games. Nani will start alot on the left and alot on the right. The 3 of them will play alot of games this year. People saying Young is better on the left than Nani, well Nani is better on the right than Valencia does that mean Valencia will be warming the bench. No player warms the bench all season for United Ferguson uses his squad well over a long season. I think Young is a good signing but will not be a first name on the team sheet.

Cantona's Collars

Will we actually score from a corner now that Young has signed? I've been bemused as to how players with quality on the ball such as Giggs and Nani can't take a corner properly.That's one thing Young gives us-some extra quality from set pieces.

amiable

zerks wrote: »

Will we actually score from a corner now that Young has signed? I've been bemused as to how players with quality on the ball such as Giggs and Nani can't take a corner properly.That's one thing Young gives us-some extra quality from set pieces.

You'd expect Vidic to be a massive threat from corners

Dont be at yourself

Good player, but not really what United need. It has to be judged in the context of other transfer dealings. United have spent the guts of £40 million on two positions that didn't really need strengthening. If United don't bring in some top quality in the centre for yet another season, I really won't understand.

If United end the summer with Phil Jones, Ashley Young and Charlie Adam with an outlay of £50 million, I think United fans would have every right to be pissed off. On the other hand, if they end up with Phil Jones, Ashley Young and Modric/Nasri for £70 million, I think they can be very happy indeed.

Jimmy Iovine

Happy with the signing of Young. It'll be interesting to see what he can do when he whips in crosses to Rooney and Chico as opposed to supplying someone like Heskey with Villa

DOC09UNAM

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Happy with the signing of Young. It'll be interesting to see what he can do when he whips in crosses to Rooney and Chico as opposed to supplying someone like Heskey with Villa

That's a good point tbh.

I don't get why people aren't at least slightly optimistic, he'll be playing with better players, he won't be singled out as the main danger man in the United team, he won't be double marked, he's young, quick, english, good cross on him, decent set plays when on his game, and if it doesn't work out we should be able to sell him for at least 10m if we had to.


I'm full of optimism, and hope he can reach his potential and become a great player playing amongst a better team.

markc1184

Daily Star:rolleyes: reporting we're interested in Di Maria.

At this rate we'll have a team full of wingers.

SK1979

markc1184 wrote: »

Daily Star:rolleyes: reporting we're interested in Di Maria.

At this rate we'll have a team full of wingers.

Some other rumour had us taking Kaka on Loan earlier. :eek:

Its clearly journalists adding 2 + 2 to get 5. Real signing players so players must be leaving and United interested in improving our team. Cant see us even being interested in Di Maria anyway.

amiable

SK1979 wrote: »

Some other rumour had us taking Kaka on Loan earlier. :eek:

Its clearly journalists adding 2 + 2 to get 5. Real signing players so players must be leaving and United interested in improving our team. Cant see us even being interested in Di Maria anyway.

Or agents earning their 10%

flahavaj

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Good player, but not really what United need. It has to be judged in the context of other transfer dealings. United have spent the guts of £40 million on two positions that didn't really need strengthening. If United don't bring in some top quality in the centre for yet another season, I really won't understand.

If United end the summer with Phil Jones, Ashley Young and Charlie Adam with an outlay of £50 million, I think United fans would have every right to be pissed off. On the other hand, if they end up with Phil Jones, Ashley Young and Modric/Nasri for £70 million, I think they can be very happy indeed.

I would rather spend 40m than spend 50m if the extra 10m is on Adam tbh. Not good enough for United IMHO.

If all we do now is sign de Gea then I'll be happy out tbh.

markc1184

SK1979 wrote: »

Some other rumour had us taking Kaka on Loan earlier. :eek:

Its clearly journalists adding 2 + 2 to get 5. Real signing players so players must be leaving and United interested in improving our team. Cant see us even being interested in Di Maria anyway.

According to the Star we are interested because he went public about wanting a pay rise and we were interested last summer! Definately 2+2!

amiable

flahavaj wrote: »

I would rather spend 40m than spend 50m if the extra 10m is on Adam tbh. Not good enough for United IMHO.

If all we do now is sign de Gea then I'll be happy out tbh.

IMO United still need a central mid to dictate a game

Dont be at yourself

flahavaj wrote: »

I would rather spend 40m than spend 50m if the extra 10m is on Adam tbh. Not good enough for United IMHO.

If all we do now is sign de Gea then I'll be happy out tbh.

I just used Adam as an example of a cheap decent central midfielder - you can substitute him with Steven Defour or Lassana Diarra either!

The question is whether United have spent the bulk of their budget on positions they didnt need to address, or whether they still have the cash to buy that world class central midfielder they need.

I can't see how any United fan could be happy with spending £50+ million and still starting next season with central midfield options of Giggs, Carrick, Anderson, Gibson and Park.

homerjay2005

markc1184 wrote: »

Daily Star:rolleyes: reporting we're interested in Di Maria.

At this rate we'll have a team full of wingers.

thats robbed from a portuguese website, i work with a lad from lisbon and he showed it to me this morning. basically di maria asked for a wage increase and seemingly madrid aint happy with him.

its just a load of B*llix.

K-9

flahavaj wrote: »

I would rather spend 40m than spend 50m if the extra 10m is on Adam tbh. Not good enough for United IMHO.

If all we do now is sign de Gea then I'll be happy out tbh.

Wouldn't be bad at delivering nice through balls to the wingers but you've Rooney for that! Would suit Liverpool better though.

A good dedicated DM would do ho harm or do ye think Fletcher covers that?

Paul Tergat

K-9 wrote: »

Wouldn't be bad at delivering nice through balls to the wingers but you've Rooney for that! Would suit Liverpool better though.

A good dedicated DM would do ho harm or do ye think Fletcher covers that?

Flecth aint a DM, hes most certainly box to box all action type. Carrick is the closest thing we have to a DM imo

PHB

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

I just used Adam as an example of a cheap decent central midfielder - you can substitute him with Steven Defour or Lassana Diarra either!

The question is whether United have spent the bulk of their budget on positions they didnt need to address, or whether they still have the cash to buy that world class central midfielder they need.

I can't see how any United fan could be happy with spending £50+ million and still starting next season with central midfield options of Giggs, Carrick, Anderson, Gibson and Park.

I wouldn't be anyway. Unless Fergie has decided that he is going to put his entire faith in Anderson and Cleverly, in which case while I wouldn't be excited, I'd at least stomach it. However if we're still running the Carrick Giggs combo next year, I'll be very upset.

Young is great. Jones is great. De Gea is needed. We might still even get Sanchez!

But if we don't sign a central midfielder ala Modric/Nasri/Whoever I'll be very unhappy. We desperately need someone to take over from Scholes.

billyhead

I don't understand all this negativity towards the Young signing. Look he hasn't even played a game for us yet and all of a sudden people are presuming it was a waste of money. Give the lad a chance and come back in 9 months and give your opinion then whether it was a waste of money. Trust in Fergie. Anyway Liverpool were desperate to get him so to have one up on them like this is at least something:D

PHB

p_larkin99 wrote: »

Flecth aint a DM, hes most certainly box to box all action type. Carrick is the closest thing we have to a DM imo

Jones now though. He's probably going to be our best DM, most natural anyway.

Dont be at yourself

PHB wrote: »

Jones now though. He's probably going to be our best DM, most natural anyway.

I'd be surprised if Jones was Fergie's solution to United's DM problem. There are better specialist DMs out there for similar or less than what was paid for Jones. I can certainly see him play there to ease him into the team, but I don't think it will his regular position for United.

Then again, Fergie did try to turn Alan Smith into Roy Keane, so I won't try to second guess him on this!

PHB

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

I'd be surprised if Jones was Fergie's solution to United's DM problem. There are better specialist DMs out there for similar or less than what was paid for Jones. I can certainly see him play there to ease him into the team, but I don't think it will his regular position for United.

Then again, Fergie did try to turn Alan Smith into Roy Keane, so I won't try to second guess him on this!

He played there for a good chunk of games for Blackburn last season so it wouldn't massively surprise me.

flahavaj

K-9 wrote: »

Wouldn't be bad at delivering nice through balls to the wingers but you've Rooney for that! Would suit Liverpool better though.

A good dedicated DM would do ho harm or do ye think Fletcher covers that?

We haven't had a dedicated DM since Keane retired tbh, I'm not sure Hargo even counted as one even when fit.

Paul Tergat

PHB wrote: »

Jones now though. He's probably going to be our best DM, most natural anyway.

Perhaps, but he looks very suited to being a CB so I think thats where he will be

Dont be at yourself

PHB wrote: »

He played there for a good chunk of games for Blackburn last season so it wouldn't massively surprise me.

Yeah, but it's not his best position. He has the potential to be top class CB, but I can't see him doing the him in midfield. He can certainly do a job, but you don't spend that kind of money for someone to 'do a job'.

SK1979

flahavaj wrote: »

We haven't had a dedicated DM since Keane retired tbh, I'm not sure Hargo even counted as one even when fit.

When Keane was getting on I always personally thought Xabi Alonso (when he was with Sociedad) was the closest to a replacement around. Talk of him being available but I think in all fairness there's not a chance he'd join us even if Real would sell him.

Bodhisopha

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Yeah, but it's not his best position. He has the potential to be top class CB, but I can't see him doing the him in midfield. He can certainly do a job, but you don't spend that kind of money for someone to 'do a job'.

Well, he's not going to be a regular at CB for a while yet. Why spend money to leave him on the bench when he can do a job in midfield?

Mitch Connor

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

I'd be surprised if Jones was Fergie's solution to United's DM problem. There are better specialist DMs out there for similar or less than what was paid for Jones. I can certainly see him play there to ease him into the team, but I don't think it will his regular position for United.

Then again, Fergie did try to turn Alan Smith into Roy Keane, so I won't try to second guess him on this!

i think he could be a good option at DM in a 5 man defensive midfield (such as Jones, Carrick, Anderson - with Rooney up top on his own), as the deep sitting player. He is good positionally, a great tackler and has a big pressence, his passing is good enough too. However, I don't think he has enough about him to be the defensive presence in a more regular 442. He would need to have more attacking qualities. He has the defensive side to his game, but not the creative passing or ball carrying ability though in my opinion. He would be too defensive for a classic central midfielder.

eugeneious

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Yeah, but it's not his best position. He has the potential to be top class CB, but I can't see him doing the him in midfield. He can certainly do a job, but you don't spend that kind of money for someone to 'do a job'.

I agree, I thought the Jones Smalling partnership looked perfect and will be future cb partnership. I think Jones will only be played as a DM if there is an injury crisis.

flahavaj

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Well, he's not going to be a regular at CB for a while yet. Why spend money to leave him on the bench when he can do a job in midfield?

I think its reasonable to expect him to fill in when others need a rest
at times next season. I wouldn't object to him getting the half dozen or so league starts in midfield that Gibson did last season for example.

K-9

p_larkin99 wrote: »

Flecth aint a DM, hes most certainly box to box all action type. Carrick is the closest thing we have to a DM imo

Sounds like you need a dedicated DM then. Sneaky bid for Masch! :cool:
It's very early days yet and and you've wrapped up 2 good signings so the next one might take a few weeks, an eternity with transfer muppetry.

I don't know if Kenny was that interested in Young, Downing was the one mentioned regularly. I'd say Liverpool might have asked but CL football was always going to sway it and I can't blame him.

Young has played for a regular top 6 side that never quite got there and the blame lies more at the managers and owners there I think, rather than the team. He's a no brainer to me. Mata is going to Liverpool anyway!

homerjay2005

kaka rumours are interesting. a diarra and kaka double would be pretty sweet, but is it viable that real would give us 2 of their players? by all accounts, diarra is on the way out anyway.

the di maria story is just a made up one.

flahavaj

homerjay2005 wrote: »

kaka rumours are interesting. a diarra and kaka double would be pretty sweet, but is it viable that real would give us 2 of their players? by all accounts, diarra is on the way out anyway.

the di maria story is just a made up one.

Why would we want Kaka when we have Rooney?

Also Diarra is happy to stay at Madrid.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13895850.stm

Mitch Connor

homerjay2005 wrote: »

kaka rumours are interesting. a diarra and kaka double would be pretty sweet, but is it viable that real would give us 2 of their players? by all accounts, diarra is on the way out anyway.

the di maria story is just a made up one.

The Kaka story is rubbish imo - started by that TransferUpdate moron as far as I know.

If we did get Kaka, we'd have to play him in the Rooney role, then still possibly need to by a more defensive player (like we have been talking about). I don't think we could play Kaka in a 2 man central midfield.

I have said previously that I think Berbatov could be replaced by an AMC as opposed to a striker, with Rooney moving forward (which would bench Chico)

K-9

flahavaj wrote: »

Why would we want Kaka when we have Rooney?

Also Diarra is happy to stay at Madrid.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13895850.stm

"I have not opened negotiations with any club in either England or Italy, but if there is a great offer then we'll study it."

Sounds like agent speak that we have had talks but the offers aren't good enough.

Raze_them_all

Really don't want Kaka at old trafford tbh don't know why I just think he'd be a flop

Headshot

K9 do you have a secret crush for utd

amiable

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Really don't want Kaka at old trafford tbh don't know why I just think he'd be a flop

In fairness when Kaka has played for Real Madrid his record is good

Raze_them_all

amiable wrote: »

In fairness when Kaka has played for Real Madrid his record is good

Don't get me wrong I think he's a great player just not for united, ya know?

flahavaj

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Don't get me wrong I think he's a great player just not for united, ya know?

I agree with this. The fulcrum of our team plays in his position, we have no need for him.

martinr5232

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

He be worth buying because it be guaranteed 3 points at Anfield.

Maybe Liverpool should buy him so

#15

Ugh, this Diarra stuff won't go away will it? I can't believe SAF would have any serious interest in him.
Not enthused about Kaka either. He's vey talented but I'm not sure how likely he is to ever regain his 07 form. I'd rather stick with what we've got than buy either of them.

ShooterSF

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

I just used Adam as an example of a cheap decent central midfielder - you can substitute him with Steven Defour or Lassana Diarra either!

The question is whether United have spent the bulk of their budget on positions they didnt need to address, or whether they still have the cash to buy that world class central midfielder they need.

I can't see how any United fan could be happy with spending £50+ million and still starting next season with central midfield options of Giggs, Carrick, Anderson, Gibson and Park.

To be fair though it's not just a financial thing. None of the 3 you mentioned earlier seem keen to move to us. That's life. There doesn't seem to be a world class central midfielder mad to ply their trade in Old Trafford so a solid signing might be the best we can hope for.

K-9

Headshot wrote: »

K9 do you have a secret crush for utd

Nah, one less club in for Mata! :cool:

Always an ulterior motive!

Also hate the "has to be world class" muppetry. Young is a very good buy and a no brainer.

Headshot

K-9 wrote: »

Nah, one less club in for Mata! :cool:

Always an ulterior motive!

Also hate the "has to be world class" muppetry. Young is a very good buy and a no brainer.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

flahavaj

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

I just used Adam as an example of a cheap decent central midfielder - you can substitute him with Steven Defour or Lassana Diarra either!

The question is whether United have spent the bulk of their budget on positions they didnt need to address, or whether they still have the cash to buy that world class central midfielder they need.

I can't see how any United fan could be happy with spending £50+ million and still starting next season with central midfield options of Giggs, Carrick, Anderson, Gibson and Park.

Why has everyone forgotten Darren Fletcher? He had the scuts he isn't dead!

Dont be at yourself

ShooterSF wrote: »

To be fair though it's not just a financial thing. None of the 3 you mentioned earlier seem keen to move to us. That's life. There doesn't seem to be a world class central midfielder mad to ply their trade in Old Trafford so a solid signing might be the best we can hope for.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that a club like Man Utd, Premier league champions, Champions League finalists, could not attract a world class central midfielder.

Dont be at yourself

flahavaj wrote: »

Why has everyone forgotten Darren Fletcher? He had the scuts he isn't dead!

Because he is forgettable. That he escaped my mind when posting only underlines that he's not the answer to the midfield problem!

Paully D

Sunderland have matched the financial demands of O'Shea, Brown and Gibson. Gibson is virtually done I reckon, but now it's just up to the other two to decide where they want to go. Please, please John come to Sunderland!

yabadabado

One from Martinez,Banega,Fellaini and it would be a very good summer.I think these type of midfielders are more suited to uniteds style and keeps our formation and players in there best positions.

K-9

Headshot wrote: »

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

There's tumbleweed over on the Liverpool thread, might be the real reason!

I know SAF doesn't like dedicated DM's but he did say that he plans to match Barcelona over the next couple of years. I can't see how you'd do that without a DM, would be the first thing I'd look at in that context.