Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

Dempsey

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I was I suppose you have taken the time to look back for me

No the respect rules came in you still couldn't come out and come away with pish like that

I dont have the memory of a goldfish like you. :P

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Dempsey wrote: »

I dont have the memory of a goldfish like you. :P

A mixture of age and high living mate

Jelle1880

SFA Rule 69 forbids a manager from making any public comment about any official appointed to officiate at their club’s match, prior to that fixture.

Dempsey

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

A mixture of age and high living mate

This you? :pac:

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Dempsey wrote: »

This you? :pac:

That would be telling :cool::P

eire4

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

He isn't a strong Irishman he is a disgrace to the Irish do you really think he is the sort of man us Irish see as a figurehead.

Tell me what racist abuse does he get

Yes I do think he is a strong Irishman. He has shown incredible courage in dealing with the shocking racist abuse, death threats etc that he has had to deal with.

Well lets see how about just a few examples. Martin O'Neill described the chants your fans directed at Neil Lennon as being "of a racial and sectarian manner" after one derby game.

The sending of a bomb in the post was cleared pretty nasty racial abuse to put it mildy. Even Scottish Tory leader Annabel Goldie described bullets being sent to Neil Lennon as " racism and sectarianism" which is putting it mildly.

Three times during 2011 Neil Lennon and his family were woken in the night and moved to a safe location. There have been numerous hate pages filled with racist abuse on Facebook directed at Neil Lennon.

Neil Lennon has suffered racist abuse while out with his family in Glasgow. Indeed he has even been physically attacked.

Then of course we have the attack that was seen live on TV at Tynecastle last season. Indeed it seemed at times the dominant theme of last season was the virulent racist campaign of hate directed at Neil Lennon.

Neil Lennon is targeted because he is a strong Irishman who speakes his mind. There is a strain of anti Irish racism within some sections of Scottish society and neither the football authorities nor the politicians seem willing to address the issue.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

eire4 wrote: »

Yes I do think he is a strong Irishman. He has shown incredible courage in dealing with the shocking racist abuse, death threats etc that he has had to deal with.

Well lets see how about just a few examples. Martin O'Neill described the chants your fans directed at Neil Lennon as being "of a racial and sectarian manner" after one derby game.

The sending of a bomb in the post was cleared pretty nasty racial abuse to put it mildy. Even Scottish Tory leader Annabel Goldie described bullets being sent to Neil Lennon as " racism and sectarianism" which is putting it mildly.

Three times during 2011 Neil Lennon and his family were woken in the night and moved to a safe location. There have been numerous hate pages filled with racist abuse on Facebook directed at Neil Lennon.

Neil Lennon has suffered racist abuse while out with his family in Glasgow. Indeed he has even been physically attacked.

Then of course we have the attack that was seen live on TV at Tynecastle last season. Indeed it seemed at times the dominant theme of last season was the virulent racist campaign of hate directed at Neil Lennon.

Neil Lennon is targeted because he is a strong Irishman who speakes his mind. There is a strain of anti Irish racism within some sections of Scottish society and neither the football authorities nor the politicians seem willing to address the issue.

Well if St Martin Says so it must be right amazing though that MON is also an Irish Catholic and wasn't treated like Lemmon
His family this the family he basically deserted

What a load of tosh

eire4

One rule for Neil Lennon, another for the rest.

Phil Gordon - The Times - March 27 2012
He is always the one, isn’t he? That Neil Lennon. If the Celtic manager was starting to entertain thoughts that he might be an ordinary man, the last few days will have delivered an uncomfortable truth. Lennon is unique, but not in a good way.
When you start measuring your experience with match officials, and the subsequent fallout with the Scottish Football Association, with that of your counterparts, the evidence will offer reasonable doubt. If Lennon was just an ordinary man, he would not have spent the second half of Sunday’s Old Firm game watching events in the media room at Ibrox — regardless of who advised him to go there.
Lennon must have been the only manager in the history of British football to be condemned to spend 45 minutes in a locked room after being “sent off” at half-time by the referee. Even players who have been sent off, and head to the dressing room, can get showered and changed to watch the rest of the match from the stand, but not Lennon.
Even if Calum Murray’s view is that Lennon broke the rules, and the Celtic manager will certainly contest that on the basis of what he said at the press conference after the Old Firm encounter when he revealed his “confinement” during the second 45 minutes, the inescapable verdict is that Lennon has been denied basic human rights, never mind the managerial right to sit in the stand and watch the second half.
Celtic revealed yesterday that it was their security people who advised Lennon that he could not sit in the Ibrox directors’ box, and Rangers confirmed that they had offered Lennon a seat there after Murray’s sanction against the Celtic manager. However, what security adviser worth his salt would not have come to the same conclusion?
This is the man who was attacked by a Heart of Midlothian fan last May while doing his job on the touchline. He is also the man who has been giving evidence in the case of two men accused of plotting to kill him. So, sitting up there in the directors’ box, in a stadium where his name is abused even when Celtic are not there, is hardly an option.
Except that it should be. Lennon is entitled to the same treatment that every manager takes for granted. Stuart McCall, the Motherwell manager, is actually facing the same charge as Lennon — alleged breach of rule 203 — for the same “crime” as Lennon, criticising Craig Thomson, the referee, during the recent Scottish Cup defeat by Aberdeen at Fir Park.
The difference between McCall’s case and that of Lennon is that the Motherwell manager was able to sit up in the directors’ box at Fir Park to watch the second half after being “sent off” at half-time in similar manner to his Celtic counterpart.
McCall has rejected the SFA’s offer of a one-match ban and will be visiting Hampden Park for his day in “court” around the same time as Lennon.
If Lennon did not know that he was in a special category of one, it was brought home to him during the Scottish Communities League Cup semi-final with Falkirk. A manager strode out on to the Hampden turf and jabbed an accusing finger at Euan Norris, the referee. It was Steven Pressley, Lennon’s counterpart.
The Falkirk manager was also “sent off” by Norris. Undaunted, Pressley went out for the second half and actually found a seat in the press box at the national stadium and sat alongside journalists.
Pressley received a four-game ban for his very public act. Last year, Lennon had to use a lawyer to have a much larger ban reduced to four games. Where is the consistency?
Lennon is not the first manager in the world to be sent off. When it happens during the game, luminaries such as Arsène Wenger have found a seat in the hostile heartlands of Old Trafford, while David Moyes, of Everton, climbed into the spectators’ area at Stoke City.
However, the fact that Lennon is regarded as such a security risk when a referee hands out some summary justice should put this country to shame.
Lennon might want to seek advice from another manager who had a bad day at work, once. He too saw his team reduced to nine men, and he too felt the referee’s judgment to be so flawed that he ignored the fines and took the SFA to court to overturn a touchline ban that “affected his ability to carry out his duties as a manager”.
That man was Craig Levein, while in charge of Heart of Midlothian in 2003. It certainly never stopped Levein in his tracks; he is now Scotland manager.
Levein has an office at Hampden. Maybe Lennon should pop up for tea next time he’s in the building.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

eire4 wrote: »

One rule for Neil Lennon, another for the rest.

Phil Gordon - The Times - March 27 2012
He is always the one, isn’t he? That Neil Lennon. If the Celtic manager was starting to entertain thoughts that he might be an ordinary man, the last few days will have delivered an uncomfortable truth. Lennon is unique, but not in a good way.
When you start measuring your experience with match officials, and the subsequent fallout with the Scottish Football Association, with that of your counterparts, the evidence will offer reasonable doubt. If Lennon was just an ordinary man, he would not have spent the second half of Sunday’s Old Firm game watching events in the media room at Ibrox — regardless of who advised him to go there.
Lennon must have been the only manager in the history of British football to be condemned to spend 45 minutes in a locked room after being “sent off” at half-time by the referee. Even players who have been sent off, and head to the dressing room, can get showered and changed to watch the rest of the match from the stand, but not Lennon.
Even if Calum Murray’s view is that Lennon broke the rules, and the Celtic manager will certainly contest that on the basis of what he said at the press conference after the Old Firm encounter when he revealed his “confinement” during the second 45 minutes, the inescapable verdict is that Lennon has been denied basic human rights, never mind the managerial right to sit in the stand and watch the second half.
Celtic revealed yesterday that it was their security people who advised Lennon that he could not sit in the Ibrox directors’ box, and Rangers confirmed that they had offered Lennon a seat there after Murray’s sanction against the Celtic manager. However, what security adviser worth his salt would not have come to the same conclusion?
This is the man who was attacked by a Heart of Midlothian fan last May while doing his job on the touchline. He is also the man who has been giving evidence in the case of two men accused of plotting to kill him. So, sitting up there in the directors’ box, in a stadium where his name is abused even when Celtic are not there, is hardly an option.
Except that it should be. Lennon is entitled to the same treatment that every manager takes for granted. Stuart McCall, the Motherwell manager, is actually facing the same charge as Lennon — alleged breach of rule 203 — for the same “crime” as Lennon, criticising Craig Thomson, the referee, during the recent Scottish Cup defeat by Aberdeen at Fir Park.
The difference between McCall’s case and that of Lennon is that the Motherwell manager was able to sit up in the directors’ box at Fir Park to watch the second half after being “sent off” at half-time in similar manner to his Celtic counterpart.
McCall has rejected the SFA’s offer of a one-match ban and will be visiting Hampden Park for his day in “court” around the same time as Lennon.
If Lennon did not know that he was in a special category of one, it was brought home to him during the Scottish Communities League Cup semi-final with Falkirk. A manager strode out on to the Hampden turf and jabbed an accusing finger at Euan Norris, the referee. It was Steven Pressley, Lennon’s counterpart.
The Falkirk manager was also “sent off” by Norris. Undaunted, Pressley went out for the second half and actually found a seat in the press box at the national stadium and sat alongside journalists.
Pressley received a four-game ban for his very public act. Last year, Lennon had to use a lawyer to have a much larger ban reduced to four games. Where is the consistency?
Lennon is not the first manager in the world to be sent off. When it happens during the game, luminaries such as Arsène Wenger have found a seat in the hostile heartlands of Old Trafford, while David Moyes, of Everton, climbed into the spectators’ area at Stoke City.
However, the fact that Lennon is regarded as such a security risk when a referee hands out some summary justice should put this country to shame.
Lennon might want to seek advice from another manager who had a bad day at work, once. He too saw his team reduced to nine men, and he too felt the referee’s judgment to be so flawed that he ignored the fines and took the SFA to court to overturn a touchline ban that “affected his ability to carry out his duties as a manager”.
That man was Craig Levein, while in charge of Heart of Midlothian in 2003. It certainly never stopped Levein in his tracks; he is now Scotland manager.
Levein has an office at Hampden. Maybe Lennon should pop up for tea next time he’s in the building.

Sorry I don't read fairy story's that does not if I have read it properly say Lennon is right

TheBuilder

eire4 wrote: »

Yes I do think he is a strong Irishman. He has shown incredible courage in dealing with the shocking racist abuse, death threats etc that he has had to deal with.

Well lets see how about just a few examples. Martin O'Neill described the chants your fans directed at Neil Lennon as being "of a racial and sectarian manner" after one derby game.

The sending of a bomb in the post was cleared pretty nasty racial abuse to put it mildy. Even Scottish Tory leader Annabel Goldie described bullets being sent to Neil Lennon as " racism and sectarianism" which is putting it mildly.

Three times during 2011 Neil Lennon and his family were woken in the night and moved to a safe location. There have been numerous hate pages filled with racist abuse on Facebook directed at Neil Lennon.

Neil Lennon has suffered racist abuse while out with his family in Glasgow. Indeed he has even been physically attacked.

Then of course we have the attack that was seen live on TV at Tynecastle last season. Indeed it seemed at times the dominant theme of last season was the virulent racist campaign of hate directed at Neil Lennon.

Neil Lennon is targeted because he is a strong Irishman who speakes his mind. There is a strain of anti Irish racism within some sections of Scottish society and neither the football authorities nor the politicians seem willing to address the issue.

There's a strain of anti-british racism from thousands of people at parkhead every single week with their anti-british songs etc, this coming from people who hold british passports and live in britain ffs. or is that allowed because of the "irish connection"...

TheBuilder

One rule for Neil Lennon, another for the rest.

Whats your point exactly? It was your own security staff that didn't allow him to sit in the stand, even though he tried to blame Rangers security staff.

None of the other managers goaded opposing fans by cupping their ears for example...

Dempsey

TheBuilder wrote: »

There's a strain of anti-british racism from thousands of people at parkhead every single week with their anti-british songs etc, this coming from people who hold british passports and live in britain ffs. or is that allowed because of the "irish connection"...

Singing about Irish history is being anti british?

Passports define ethnicity?

TheBuilder

Dempsey wrote: »

Singing about Irish history is being anti british?

Passports define ethnicity?

They are anti-british songs, no matter how you try to twist it. They show their sheer hatred for the country, the queen etc.

No they don't, just pointing out the irony of the people who sing abuse about the country they live in and the majority of are born in and their parents were born in.

bobmalooka

TheBuilder wrote: »

There's a strain of anti-british racism from thousands of people at parkhead every single week with their anti-british songs etc, this coming from people who hold british passports and live in britain ffs. or is that allowed because of the "irish connection"...

:eek:

even if you could possibly persuade a reasonably minded person that celtic fans songs are anti british racism how the hell would that justify people trying to kill Neil Lennon or the thugs who jumped on his head as he lay unconscious or the countless facebook pages calling for his murder.

If you really stand by that you are a disgusting individual

PauloMN

Dempsey wrote: »

They arent going to admit to any mistakes without a fight, are they? Remember how the SFA/SPL dealt with referees lying last year and any scenario like it. They will hammer anyone that questions them, they will hide behind their rule book and pull every dirty trick possible. The SFA/SPL would piss on your head and tell you its raining, they've certainly done it before.

No problem with him questioning decisions - it's part of his job and he is right to do that. It's just the manner in which he does it gets himself landed in trouble, and actually deflects the very thing he is trying to achieve. Now instead of focussing on the actual refereeing decisions, everyone is focussed on Lennon's relationship with the SFA.

He can question the refs - and in fact more effectively - by carefully choosing his words.

Dempsey wrote: »

If Lennon believes he is right, if believes that referees and admins of the game are pulling a stunt then he should question them, always. You have to get your hands dirty to force the SFA/SPL to admit mistakes.

Agreed, but as said above, there's the right way and wrong way to go about it.

Dempsey wrote: »

Seems everyone believes the SFA/SPL are absolutely correct without question in every instance when it comes to Lennon these days before due process is complete.

Again, the problem is that Neil's approach muddies things. Instead of talking about the decisions, it's now the usual media frenzy about Neil himself. Instead of talking about the 3 reports that have been brought against him, we could be putting the spotlight on the refs.

Dempsey wrote: »

Either way, I better put on blinkers and accept everything they say because it seems like the easiest thing to do around here. They are a model football association without flaw! :P

We ALL know that's crap!

Broxi_Bear_Eire

bobmalooka wrote: »

:eek:

even if you could possibly persuade a reasonably minded person that celtic fans songs are anti british racism how the hell would that justify people trying to kill Neil Lennon or the thugs who jumped on his head as he lay unconscious or the countless facebook pages calling for his murder.

If you really stand by that you are a disgusting individual

A lot of the songs are anti British just because you don't think they are doesn't mean that it is so

Am I missing something who said it justified it

TheBuilder

bobmalooka wrote: »

:eek:

even if you could possibly persuade a reasonably minded person that celtic fans songs are anti british racism how the hell would that justify people trying to kill Neil Lennon or the thugs who jumped on his head as he lay unconscious or the countless facebook pages calling for his murder.

If you really stand by that you are a disgusting individual

Where did you pull that nonsense from? I never said it justified anything.

But on that account, the moron's who sent him bombs or jumped on his head do not give a clear indication of anti-irish racism in Scottish society. It gives a clear indication of many mindless moron's.

bobmalooka

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

A lot of the songs are anti British just because you don't think they are doesn't mean that it is so

Am I missing something who said it justified it

Celebrating Irish history isn't considered anti British by the vast majority of British people who recognise that Irish history is interlinked with Britain.
This includes Queen Elizabeth, she personally acknowledged Irelands struggle for independence while promoting our strong relationship as neighbours.

Why are you offended by this when Britain recognises the celebration of Irish history as legitimate.

it was his direct response to a list detailing the various forms of abuse Lennon has been subjected to since moving to Glasgow, it seemed to suggest that yes that happened but look at the songs ye sing.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

bobmalooka wrote: »

Celebrating Irish history isn't considered anti British by the vast majority of British people who recognise that Irish history is interlinked with Britain.
This includes Queen Elizabeth, she personally acknowledged Irelands struggle for independence while promoting our strong relationship as neighbours.

Why are you offended by this when Britain recognises the celebration of Irish history as legitimate.

it was his direct response to a list detailing the various forms of abuse Lennon has been subjected to since moving to Glasgow, it seemed to suggest that yes that happened but look at the songs ye sing.

I don't know where you get that bit in bold from I have lived in Scotland, Southern England, The midlands and Northern England and most people I met would disagree with that statement
Yes she did for those brave men of 1916 if you think she gave a damn about Those from say 1969 onwards your mistaken.

Songs who sing and what songs

RoryMac

I've been critical of Lennon and his attitude towards officials in the last few days but I really fail to see what he did wrong in those comments? If that's grounds for a SFA charge we wouldn't have a manager not sitting in the stand. Badly timed maybe that's hardly a crime!

Nice to see the Rangers fans scurrying to claim the moral high-ground re: managers behaviour and songs, suppose they've short memories!!

TheBuilder

RoryMac wrote: »

I've been critical of Lennon and his attitude towards officials in the last few days but I really fail to see what he did wrong in those comments? If that's grounds for a SFA charge we wouldn't have a manager not sitting in the stand. Badly timed maybe that's hardly a crime!

Nice to see the Rangers fans scurrying to claim the moral high-ground re: managers behaviour and songs, suppose they've short memories!!

Because its in the rules! And if you think it's ok to come out and put pressure on a ref before a game then it's not just Lennon that's mental.

Nobody is scurrying to any moral high ground, read the posts properly.

Nice to see Celtic fans doing there usual deflection from their own team

Broxi_Bear_Eire

RoryMac wrote: »

I've been critical of Lennon and his attitude towards officials in the last few days but I really fail to see what he did wrong in those comments? If that's grounds for a SFA charge we wouldn't have a manager not sitting in the stand. Badly timed maybe that's hardly a crime!

Nice to see the Rangers fans scurrying to claim the moral high-ground re: managers behaviour and songs, suppose they've short memories!!

Thought you were one of the better posters
I have never ever denied my club has a problem with songs I would even if aske say our manager could fall foul of the rules the only ones in denial here are tic fans

RoryMac

TheBuilder wrote: »

Because its in the rules! And if you think it's ok to come out and put pressure on a ref before a game then it's not just Lennon that's mental.

Nobody is scurrying to any moral high ground, read the posts properly.

Nice to see Celtic fans doing there usual deflection from their own team

Nice to see Rangers so concerned about rules all of a sudden

I'd prefer to see the context in which Lennon made the remark before I jump to any conclusions about it.

You see deflection and I see mock-outrage from Rangers fans, we're so often accused of being offended by everything but it seems Rangers fans are just as guilty on that front.

blahfckingblah

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I don't know where you get that bit in bold from I have lived in Scotland, Southern England, The midlands and Northern England and most people I met would disagree with that statement
Yes she did for those brave men of 1916 if you think she gave a damn about Those from say 1969 onwards your mistaken.

Songs who sing and what songs

ah so boys of the old brigade is ok?

A Dub in Glasgo

TheBuilder wrote: »

Because its in the rules!

Rules are there to be stretched and possibly broken at times. At least he didn't take money from the taxpayer to use it as working capital for the running of the club!

Broxi_Bear_Eire

RoryMac wrote: »

Nice to see Rangers so concerned about rules all of a sudden

I'd prefer to see the context in which Lennon made the remark before I jump to any conclusions about it.

You see deflection and I see mock-outrage from Rangers fans, we're so often accused of being offended by everything but it seems Rangers fans are just as guilty on that front.

Ach if we are going to start this crap then lets put it this way It was your Manager that was charged in fact it is your manager that has been charged three times in a week all because he has trouble keeping his mouth shut.
So there is no mock outrage just doing what would be happening if it was the other way round.
It's called slagging off the opposition

Broxi_Bear_Eire

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Rules are there to be stretched and possibly broken at times. At least he didn't take money from the taxpayer to use it as working capital for the running of the club!

Your right he didn't, really slagging us about Whyte isn't going to work because we agree with you

RoryMac

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I have never ever denied my club has a problem with songs I would even if aske say our manager could fall foul of the rules the only ones in denial here are tic fans

I've never denied Lennon has issues he needs to resolve in relation to sticking by the rules but as above I don't know the context in which he made that remark, some of the reaction to it on here has been way over the top.

And again you won't see me denying we have a problem with songs being sung by our fans and I've been quite critical of those fans on here but but to see the same old anti-British, anti-Queen crap being rolled out again on here is becoming very tiresome.

TheBuilder

RoryMac wrote: »

Nice to see Rangers so concerned about rules all of a sudden

I'd prefer to see the context in which Lennon made the remark before I jump to any conclusions about it.

You see deflection and I see mock-outrage from Rangers fans, we're so often accused of being offended by everything but it seems Rangers fans are just as guilty on that front.

No it's not mock outrage, its showing that Neil Lennon can't be excused for being an arrogant bastard and full of disrespect for anyone who questions him or does something he doesn't like.

Asking for a decent refereeing performance is putting pressure on the ref, no matter how you see it and in my opinion only shows that Lennon can't accept defeat, not a peep out of him about refs until he loses two big games.

TheBuilder

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

TheBuilder wrote: »

Because its in the rules!

Rules are there to be stretched and possibly broken at times. At least he didn't take money from the taxpayer to use it as working capital for the running of the club!

Argument fail. Not like we agree with Whyte doing it.

Breaking them 3 times in a week, nice guy your manager.

A Dub in Glasgo

TheBuilder wrote: »

Breaking them 3 times in a week, nice guy your manager.

Actually 10 days

TheBuilder

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

TheBuilder wrote: »

Breaking them 3 times in a week, nice guy your manager.

Actually 10 days

My mistake :P

Broxi_Bear_Eire

RoryMac wrote: »

I've never denied Lennon has issues he needs to resolve in relation to sticking by the rules but as above I don't know the context in which he made that remark, some of the reaction to it on here has been way over the top.

And again you won't see me denying we have a problem with songs being sung by our fans and I've been quite critical of those fans on here but but to see the same old anti-British, anti-Queen crap being rolled out again on here is becoming very tiresome.

Oh we are sorry about that now you know it feels to have the shoe on the other feet

I suggest you look back and see in what context and why the songs were mentioned

Dempsey

TheBuilder wrote: »

They are anti-british songs, no matter how you try to twist it. They show their sheer hatred for the country, the queen etc.

No they don't, just pointing out the irony of the people who sing abuse about the country they live in and the majority of are born in and their parents were born in.

What a load of intolerant bollocks

Soups123

I've met Lennon a couple of years back and he was an absolute gent, I was in Edinburgh with a Ger and Jambo, he was with a couple of other players and he took 30 minutes out of his time to yap away with all 3 of us, the man was a gentleman. Hes only doing now what Fergie, Wenger, Mourinho (not that i put him i that bracket obviously) and the likes do when things don't go there way he just doesn't have the stature, guile or experience to say it in a way and get away with it.

I genuinely believe he gets the disrespect he gets from Ger fans because of his background, the decent Ger fan doesn't like him because he is everything Celtic, and that's why Celts love him, same way I'd dislike Barry Ferguson

TheBuilder

RoryMac wrote: »

I've never denied Lennon has issues he needs to resolve in relation to sticking by the rules but as above I don't know the context in which he made that remark, some of the reaction to it on here has been way over the top.

And again you won't see me denying we have a problem with songs being sung by our fans and I've been quite critical of those fans on here but but to see the same old anti-British, anti-Queen crap being rolled out again on here is becoming very tiresome.

Hahaha come on! You're actually complaining about 'the same old' stuff coming up, Manchester or uefa stuff about songs ring any bells?

PauloMN

TheBuilder wrote: »

No it's not mock outrage, its showing that Neil Lennon can't be excused for being an arrogant bastard and full of disrespect for anyone who questions him or does something he doesn't like.

Asking for a decent refereeing performance is putting pressure on the ref, no matter how you see it and in my opinion only shows that Lennon can't accept defeat, not a peep out of him about refs until he loses two big games.

Ok you've called him an "arrogant bastard" and "mental" now at this stage. Have you not gone far enough?

TheBuilder

Dempsey wrote: »

TheBuilder wrote: »

They are anti-british songs, no matter how you try to twist it. They show their sheer hatred for the country, the queen etc.

No they don't, just pointing out the irony of the people who sing abuse about the country they live in and the majority of are born in and their parents were born in.

What a load of intolerant bollocks

Of course

TheBuilder

PauloMN wrote: »

TheBuilder wrote: »

No it's not mock outrage, its showing that Neil Lennon can't be excused for being an arrogant bastard and full of disrespect for anyone who questions him or does something he doesn't like.

Asking for a decent refereeing performance is putting pressure on the ref, no matter how you see it and in my opinion only shows that Lennon can't accept defeat, not a peep out of him about refs until he loses two big games.

Ok you've called him an "arrogant bastard" and "mental" now at this stage. Have you not gone far enough?

Ok, bastard was a bit far then, he's still acts arrogant and mental.

But don't let my choice of words take away from the fact my actual point is completely valid.

Dempsey

TheBuilder wrote: »

Of course

Are you a BNP supporter? Certainly sound like one

RoryMac

TheBuilder wrote: »

Hahaha come on! You're actually complaining about 'the same old' stuff coming up, Manchester or uefa stuff about songs ring any bells?

Wanna try find anywhere I ever mentioned them?

I've no time for that nonsense from either side.

TheBuilder

Dempsey wrote: »

TheBuilder wrote: »

Of course

Are you a BNP supporter? Certainly sound like one

No idea where that's coming from

TheBuilder

RoryMac wrote: »

TheBuilder wrote: »

Hahaha come on! You're actually complaining about 'the same old' stuff coming up, Manchester or uefa stuff about songs ring any bells?

Wanna try find anywhere I ever mentioned them?

I've no time for that nonsense from either side.

Not saying you have, but I don't remember you jumping to the same point when it comes up time and time again.

PauloMN

TheBuilder wrote: »

Ok, bastard was a bit far then, he's still acts arrogant and mental.

But don't let my choice of words take away from the fact my actual point is completely valid.

Bet Lenny is saying exactly the same thing!

RoryMac

TheBuilder wrote: »

Not saying you have, but I don't remember you jumping to the same point when it comes up time and time again.

Like yourself I'd imagine I'm more likely to defend my own club but point taken.

TheBuilder

PauloMN wrote: »

TheBuilder wrote: »

Ok, bastard was a bit far then, he's still acts arrogant and mental.

But don't let my choice of words take away from the fact my actual point is completely valid.

Bet Lenny is saying exactly the same thing!

Well played!

But we know he's wrong! :P

bobmalooka

TheBuilder wrote: »

Because its in the rules! And if you think it's ok to come out and put pressure on a ref before a game then it's not just Lennon that's mental.

Nobody is scurrying to any moral high ground, read the posts properly.

Nice to see Celtic fans doing there usual deflection from their own team

deflection?? this whole conversation started off with jelle having a pop at lennon for being unhappy that security professionals didnt want him to sit near fans at ibrox, when it was explained why that was a sensible decision YOU have decided to blame celtic fans for having an anti british sentiment.

How you can feel easy about deflecting from the very real threat posed to Neil Lennons safety doesn't sit well with me.

Ladjacket

can't we all just get along?! No?... ha!

Love Celtic, like the players and management, hate sectarianism.

Have indulged in singing the old rebel song or two whilst at Parkhead but that doesnt make me a raving mad protestant hater either.

You can call Lennon what you like, it would do you well however to check out his twitter account. In the space of a few hours, he is regularly insulted. Today alone he was taunted about the death of his friend recently, about being the manager of a team of bottlers, about his family, about being assaulted at Hearts last year.

Manager of Celtic or unemployed, if that was me I know how I would react, and a slap on the wrists from the SFA would be the least of my worries.

Just saying!

bobmalooka

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Oh we are sorry about that now you know it feels to have the shoe on the other feet

I suggest you look back and see in what context and why the songs were mentioned

i suggest you look back, it was your buddy the builder who brought it up in response to reasons why it would be sensible to restrict access between lennon and the ibrox crowd

Ladjacket

just to move away from Lennon topic, has anyone seen what ex-Celt youth Islam Feruz tweeted on Sunday.

Ifnot, I suggest you take a look.

https://twitter.com/#!/feruz10

Hopefully everyone is familiar with his story but his tweets and tone are indicative of a young man who has forgotten what Celtic, and especially Tommy Burns done for him and his family.

Shame on him.