Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

Dempsey

The Wolf Tones have issued a statement on this

http://www.wolfetonesofficialsite.com/statement.htm

To whom it concerns:

I am appalled at the policy of the Celtic Football Club board in the manner in which you have attacked the song traditions of Ireland. Allow me to point out that Irish song and the story it carries is not one of bigotry or hate, but one of survival, of a fight for freedom against tyranny of a fight against racialism and against bigoted legislators and despotic governments. It’s a story of a people fleeing hunger and disease and of a people evicted from their homelands by ruthless landlords.

By banning or outlawing a song is morally wrong and really is just a cosmetic exercise to pacify bigots. It ignores the real problem, which lies at the heart of the society that feels a need of this oppressive action, sectarianism and racial discrimination are the main problem. Ask any Catholic who has sought a house or position of employment over the years and he will tell you about discrimination it is nothing to do with music or song which is just a reaction to the problem. Study the music of the world and you will understand its beginnings its reasons and inspiration. Did America ban the music of the civil rights movement, which drew its energy from the suppressed black community there. What spawned the musical protests in South Africa that gave a voice and hope to a down trodden

victims of apartoid. Get rid of sectarianism and injustice in the society and the song is just a song it’s a harmless story. WHAT ARE THE REASONS WE REQUIRE TO BAN A SONG, DOES IT JUST HAVE TO BE IRISH. WILL WE GO AS FAR AS BANING THE FLOWER OF SCOTLAND OR SONGS ABOUT BONNIE PRINCE CHARLIE or the JACOBITES ARE THEY REBEL SONGS. I think not, try it and you will meet with opposition. Will we ban Braveheart from the cinemas because William Wallace fought against the English is it a rebel movie. I think you are treating your loyal supporters with less than respect and as immature brainless people who cannot make a decision for themselves, who don't care about the society they live in, who cannot make a choice as to what song to sing. Ask yourself the question, what were the origins of the great club Glasgow Celtic and I believe you will find all the answers. Celtic have the best supporters in the world and their traditions history or ethnic background should not be insulted. Surely our supporters have the right of expression just as the national rugby supporters have the right to sing the flower of Scotland.

The policy you have now embarked upon is unjust and oppressive and if you study history it was counter productive in the past. There is a history of outlawing and banning songs and songsters against the Irish and the Scots , Yet there is more so called seditious music surviving from these traditions than from any other country in Europe. Many harpers and bards were beheaded, many minstrels were exiled or imprisoned for carrying the story of their people. STILL THEIR MUSIC LIVES ON TO THIS DAY. These were the policies of power hungry oppressive governments who needed to suppress opposing opinions in order to maintain power. Are these policies to persist into the 21st century are they not out dated. It is a shame upon a society that needs to suppress a song, the symptom of the problem while ignoring the cause. Why is it that the Irish song tradition is attacked as a problem, they are not sectarian or bigoted in words or expression but carry the story of the Irish peoples struggle against oppression, hunger and injustice. It’s the story of human misery and suffering of a fight against famine and disease and then a fight for freedom and human dignity. This story has as much right to be told as the story of Scotland or any other land. Are we to ban the songs of the great heroes of Scotland like Rob Roy or the great highland chieftains, no, It would not be just and I would oppose it.

When England ruled Ireland she attacked the freedom of the press on many occasions across the centuries, they closed down newspapers who spoke out against them. During the 1790's they closed the Northern Star in Belfast run by Samual Neilson a united Irishman and Presbyterian who tried to rid Ireland of religious division. The same happened in Dublin when they closed down a paper called the press the organ of a movement that was trying to bring the people of Ireland together and give equal justice to all regardless of religion. They fostered Orangism and bigotry in order to keep the people divided. Pitt said that the Irish must not be allowed to unite because if they do we will lose Ireland. Sectarianism was encouraged and used to place a wedge between the people they feared the union of the PROTESTANT AND CATHOLIC and used orangism to ruthlessly put down the United men who had tried to develop a country where all religions could live with equality and peace. You see it was never in Irelands interest to be sectarian. Then they banned the songs the singers when the music was the last means of expression left to the downtrodden people. They then banned the wearing of the colour green and tortured and persecuted the citizens until the united Irish movement was driven underground or to America.

Ireland and Scotland have so much in common and have had a intertwining history across the centuries. Scoti is the latin word for an Irishman and so derived the name of Scotland the land of the Irish. In the middle ages Ireland was known as Scotia major and Scotland as Scotia minor. Robert de Bruce and his brother Edward were very much aware of their Irish ancestry and fought with the Irish chieftains to win a united Irish kingdom. Colmcille from Donegal brought Christianity and learning to Alba now known as Scotland. The Irish brought a music language and a way of life with them, which we share as a common heritage to this very day. We are brothers and sisters of the same seed so why should there be bigotry or division. The only thing that can keep us apart is ignorance or fear or the policies of division that were pursued in the eighteenth century. The story should be heard and then it can be understood there is nothing to be feared in the story of Ireland or its song.

The Wolfe Tones have carried the story of Ireland to the world for 35 years and have been acclaimed and honoured in many countries. We have received the keys of Cities and were given many civic receptions, we have citations from assemblies and parliaments and are welcomed and sought after everywhere. We have played in almost every major concert hall in the world, from Carnegie hall N.Y. to the famous Paris Olympia, the Albert hall London to the Victoria hall Melbourne. Why is there a problem in Glasgow. Why are the Wolfe Tones and Irish song and music insulted and made a scape goat for what is a sectarian society. We love Glasgow and its people and only bear goodwill towards Celtic or our supporters.

My grand parents lived and worked in Glasgow. They returned to Ireland when my mother was four. Glasgow and Scotland are part of the folklore of the family. I have been a supporter of Celtic since I was a baby. I was often put to sleep or danced on my uncle's knee to Hail Hail. I am proud of my connection with Glasgow I am proud to be a Celtic supporter but it hurts to be a victim of racist or discriminatory policies. I composed songs referring to the great club and supporters, like My Heart is in Ireland and Celtic Symphony. We have brought an awareness of Celtic to our audience across the world and of course in Ireland which has assisted in popularising the club to a point that it now rivals Man U. in the hearts and minds of the Irish.

I hope that you will redress the awful injustice and rethink your policy concerning Irish SONG by all means speak out against sectarianism but don't include the WOLFE TONES as such. We have taken the name of a great Irish patriot a Protestant whose ideals sought to unite and rid the country of this evil. YOU can look through the words of a thousand Irish songs and find no referance of sectarianism in them. Thank you for giving me your time

With best regards

BRIAN WARFIELD

I agree with alot of what he says actually, he is well spoken on the matter.

PauloMN

"I do be hatin' de bleedin' apartoid". :rolleyes:

Who's next with a statement? The Association of Celtic Ball Boys?

The club has rules, like any club. The board of the club and the manager of the team has specifically requested that those chanting IRA desist immediately. The club rules are very clear, and they are there for good reasons. If you don't like them and refuse to abide by them, don't go to the stadium, simples.

Now whether this is a legal issue or not remains to be seen, but as far as I'm concerned, the GB have made their position very clear, and that position is no compromise. The Celtic security staff should hit anyone persisting with IRA chants like a ton of bricks now, straight out of the ground and lifetime bans.

Dempsey

PauloMN wrote: »

"I do be hatin' de bleedin' apartoid". :rolleyes:

Who's next with a statement? The Association of Celtic Ball Boys?

The club has rules, like any club. The board of the club and the manager of the team has specifically requested that those chanting IRA desist immediately. The club rules are very clear, and they are there for good reasons. If you don't like them and refuse to abide by them, don't go to the stadium, simples.

Now whether this is a legal issue or not remains to be seen, but as far as I'm concerned, the GB have made their position very clear, and that position is no compromise. The Celtic security staff should hit anyone persisting with IRA chants like a ton of bricks now, straight out of the ground and lifetime bans.

Some of his life's work thats being dragged through the mud, i think he's entitled to speak out about what he feels the songs are about, why he wrote and sang them and what people today should interpret his songs as.

Celtic have made a rule and thats that! :rolleyes: I question the reasoning and true motives behind their rules and where they are drawing the lines, how they are being implemented and the constant revisions of what is considered 'acceptable'.

I think there is still a bee in the bonnet of the poppy protest amongst the board. Maybe they feel it hinders them with getting sponsors, reputation in the wider Scottish community but they put the likes of the GB where they are in the stadium. They could have easily refused the entire organisation from getting season tickets this season but they didnt. They were happy to take their money first and now look for ways to ban them, its the Lawwell way.

PauloMN

Dempsey wrote: »

Some of his life's work thats being dragged through the mud, i think he's entitled to speak out about what he feels the songs are about, why he wrote and sang them and what people today should interpret his songs as.

Perfectly entitled. Never said he wasn't. He also has to take on board that society moves on - one quick look at how NI has progressed in the past 20 years would - in my view anyway - highlight why once normal "Up the 'RA" chants are now being viewed as unacceptable by many, including our own board and management team and most of our own fans.

Dempsey wrote: »

Celtic have made a rule and thats that! :rolleyes: I question the reasoning and true motives behind their rules and where they are drawing the lines, how they are being implemented and the constant revisions of what is considered 'acceptable'.

Question away, they're the rules though. I think the only motive is to distance the club - which is a football club and not a republican club - from a terrorist organisation.

Dempsey wrote: »

I think there is still a bee in the bonnet of the poppy protest amongst the board. Maybe they feel it hinders them with getting sponsors, reputation in the wider Scottish community but they put the likes of the GB where they are in the stadium. They could have easily refused the entire organisation from getting season tickets this season but they didnt. They were happy to take their money first and now look for ways to ban them, its the Lawwell way.

I guess they didn't envisage things going they way they have wrt IRA chanting. I'm amazed at the attitude of some fans to the board. The whole "them" and "us" stuff. The board have a very difficult job, and have to try to accommodate everyone - our fans, other fans, the SPL, the SFA, UEFA, the police etc.. They do the best they can using common sense imo.

Dempsey

You keep trying to boil it down to just PIRA chants when I'm not specifically talking about that and neither was Warfields' statement.

RoryMac

Dempsey wrote: »

You keep trying to boil it down to just PIRA chants when I'm not specifically talking about that and neither was Warfields' statement.

You might be talking about something else but at the AGM that was specifically the chant Peter Lawell mentioned, also I think in Lennon's statement today again was it not 'chants' that were mentioned?

Maybe the board need to give more clarity to which chants they are referring to but for me the present issue seems to be the resurgence in the Up The Ra chant.

Brewster

It doesn't matter a jot what Warfield or anyone else thinks! They can issue statements till they are blue in the face, nothing will change. If these individuals persist, Celtic and the authorities will have no option but to bring them to task. Bannings, arrests, closed stands, fines, points deductions could become a reality. Unfortunately the innocent are going to suffer and I feel sympathy for the genuine guys that want to go and support their team rather than those that go for some sort of IRA karaoke....

celticbest

PauloMN wrote: »

Who's next with a statement? The Association of Celtic Ball Boys?

I think the Wolfe Tones are a great example of the type of people who should be making statements on this because of there close assocation with the club, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLzC8MrkXYU&feature=related

RoryMac

celticbest wrote: »

I think the Wolfe Tones are a great example of the type of people who should be making statements on this because of there close assocation with the club, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLzC8MrkXYU&feature=related

Would you say they're a better "example of the type of people who should be making statements on this" than our manager?

http://www.teamtalk.com/celtic/7314474/Lennon-Hoops-fans-must-behave?

celticbest

RoryMac wrote: »

Would you say they're a better "example of the type of people who should be making statements on this" than our manager?

http://www.teamtalk.com/celtic/7314474/Lennon-Hoops-fans-must-behave?

They are the type of people who have supported the Club in Good as well as Bad times, the club seemed happy enough in 1988 to allow them to film the video for one of the songs the club now says is unacceptable, so yes 'at the end of the day' it is more likely that the likes of them will be associated with the club far longer than any Manager. Neil Lennon is just towing the line to keep his job.

Since that Video was made in 1988 we have had the following managers,

Billy McNeill, Liam Brady, Lou Macari, Tommy Burns, Wim Jansen, Jozef Vengloš, John Barnes, Kenny Dalglish , Martin O'Neill, Gordon Strachan, Tony Mowbray & now Neil Lennon.

It's fans that make a club, if there are none then the club won't survive a manager can always be replaced.

PauloMN

celticbest wrote: »

They are the type of people who have supported the Club in Good as well as Bad times, the club seemed happy enough in 1988 to allow them to film the video for one of the songs the club now says is unacceptable, so yes 'at the end of the day' it is more likely that the likes of them will be associated with the club far longer than any Manager. Neil Lennon is just towing the line to keep his job.

Personally I think that's a pretty insulting thing to say about Lennon. Just because you disagree with him, you make the assumption that he was forced into saying what he did?

celticbest wrote: »

Since that Video was made in 1988 we have had the following managers,

Billy McNeill, Liam Brady, Lou Macari, Tommy Burns, Wim Jansen, Jozef Vengloš, John Barnes, Kenny Dalglish , Martin O'Neill, Gordon Strachan, Tony Mowbray & now Neil Lennon.

A lot has changed in 23 years. Our club has changed, along with peoples' attitudes. We have seen a time of violence move to a time of compromise, tolerance and understanding. Nobody can argue things are not better than they were 23 years ago. Time to move on and drop the IRA stuff. People don't like change, that's natural, but it's inevitable, and the club and manager have requested it.

celticbest wrote: »

It's fans that make a club, if there are none then the club won't survive a manager can always be replaced.

Celtic FC will always be here. Fans come and go, but there will always be Celtic FC.

Coillte_Bhoy

Brewster wrote: »

It doesn't matter a jot what Warfield or anyone else thinks! They can issue statements till they are blue in the face, nothing will change. If these individuals persist, Celtic and the authorities will have no option but to bring them to task. Bannings, arrests, closed stands, fines, points deductions could become a reality. Unfortunately the innocent are going to suffer and I feel sympathy for the genuine guys that want to go and support their team rather than those that go for some sort of IRA karaoke....

Your last line is rather condescending and insulting. You may not like what some fans sing but you cant accuse them of not supporting their team on that basis. Not that its any of your business anyway. Most football club have songs that have nothng to do with football per se but reflect their culture, community etc. Singing these songs doesnt make them any less a fan

Coillte_Bhoy

celticbest wrote: »

I think the Wolfe Tones are a great example of the type of people who should be making statements on this because of there close assocation with the club, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLzC8MrkXYU&feature=related

I think they are the last kind of people to be involved. Money grabbers and what exactly is their close association with the club?

Dempsey

They are in good company with our current board so, they are money grabbers too and dont delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

To quote dartbhoy earlier in this thread

This was a quote made by the late great Jock Stein back in the 1970's "The players don't respond to your IRA songs,keep them for your buses and pubs. Sing celtic songs and the players will respond better."

Yet in the late 80's Celtic FC jumped on a bandwagon, why? To make hay whilst the sun shines. What has changed today? Nothing.

Brewster

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Brewster wrote: »

It doesn't matter a jot what Warfield or anyone else thinks! They can issue statements till they are blue in the face, nothing will change. If these individuals persist, Celtic and the authorities will have no option but to bring them to task. Bannings, arrests, closed stands, fines, points deductions could become a reality. Unfortunately the innocent are going to suffer and I feel sympathy for the genuine guys that want to go and support their team rather than those that go for some sort of IRA karaoke....

Your last line is rather condescending and insulting. You may not like what some fans sing but you cant accuse them of not supporting their team on that basis. Not that its any of your business anyway. Most football club have songs that have nothng to do with football per se but reflect their culture, community etc. Singing these songs doesnt make them any less a fan

Coillte, the vast majority of clubs don't have songs that represent their culture!! Id say a minority do. Are you somehow trying to say that the glorification of the IRA is part of Celtic's culture?

Dempsey

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15793733.stm

FC Sion's Europa League ban has been upheld by a court in Switzerland.

Two courts had ruled Sion could register six players despite a Uefa-imposed transfer ban and should be reinstated in the Europa League.

But world governing body Fifa appealed successfully to the higher court.

Sion's hopes of a Europa League return rest on a 24 November hearing at the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas).

Looks like the hearing with CAS will be just a formality at this stage but FIFA and UEFA should look at their rules and update them accordingly. It should even have gotten to the stage where they got ineligible players onto the field against Celtic.

Dempsey

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15792231.stm

Celtic striker Mohamed Bangura may need an operation on a knee problem.

Lennon says the club may have to reconsider buying players from Asia after a club versus country row with South Korea.

More surgery for Celtic players that "dont respond right to treatment".

The stuff going on with South Korea is very frustrating.

Coillte_Bhoy

Brewster wrote: »

Coillte, the vast majority of clubs don't have songs that represent their culture!! Id say a minority do.

I also said many clubs have songs that have nothign to do with football, doesnt make the fans who sing them any less a fan, does it?

Brewster wrote: »

Are you somehow trying to say that the glorification of the IRA is part of Celtic's culture?

No, im ****ing not saying that so stop trying to put words in my mouth. fwiw i dont like the ooh aahh or pira chants and hope they stop but ive no problem with any of the other songs that are regulalry sung

Brewster

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Brewster wrote: »

Coillte, the vast majority of clubs don't have songs that represent their culture!! Id say a minority do.

I also said many clubs have songs that have nothign to do with football, doesnt make the fans who sing them any less a fan, does it?

Brewster wrote: »

Are you somehow trying to say that the glorification of the IRA is part of Celtic's culture?

No, im ****ing not saying that so stop trying to put words in my mouth. fwiw i dont like the ooh aahh or pira chants and hope they stop but ive no problem with any of the other songs that are regulalry sung

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth Coillte, it was a legitimate question and you answered it. No one has any issue about club celebrating their Irish culture and roots, but this MUST not include the aforementioned chants which are offensive to the vast vast majority of civilised society in Britain and Ireland.

Tiocfaidh Armani

Well done Celtic for setting the record straight. They tried to imply Celtic had the majority of arrests for sectarian behaviour in Scotland by showing most arrests happened at Celtic Park, but what Celtic have shown is the the vast majority of the arrests were AWAY fans! The authors of this were asked how many of these were home fans and they couldn't answer. Well ya b'starts - Celtic did!

Celtic Football Club Statement

By: Newsroom Staff on 18 Nov, 2011 13:58
FOLLOWING the release today of figures by the Scottish Government relating to charges under Section 74 of the Criminal Justice Scotland Act 2003 for the year 2010-2011, Celtic Football Club have released the following statement.

“Celtic Football Club welcomes the Crime and Justice report issued today. However, for clarity it is important to explain these figures and place these in context.

”It is noted that Celtic Park is mentioned as being the location for 47 charges. Fourteen of these offences relate to Celtic supporters, with 33 relating to supporters of visiting teams. (figs. provided by the Information Sharing Protocol with Strathclyde Police).

”To again put this in context, during that period approximately one million Celtic supporters visited the stadium, and approximately 35,000 supporters of away teams have attended Celtic Park.

”It is important also to stress that the 14 Celtic supporters involved have all been banned from Celtic Park.

“The vast majority of religiously-aggravated crime does not take place in or around football stadia, with 90 offences reported at stadia out of a total of 693 offences.

”The claim that 231 offences are ‘football-related’ also needs further analysis. The majority of ´football-related´ offences take place away from football stadia .

”In addition, more than 60 per cent of the total number of offences are alcohol-related. It is clear, therefore, that this also re-enforces Celtic´s long-held view that sectarianism and religious prejudice are societal issues and cannot be laid predominantly at the door of football.

”Clearly, as a club open to all since its formation in 1888, Celtic will continue to work strenuously against all forms of bigotry and religious prejudice.

“While the vast majority of offences at Celtic Park have been committed by visiting supporters, it is important that our own support understands that any form of sectarian behaviour is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.

“Celtic´s traditions of tolerance, diversity and openness are something we hold very dear and are fundamental to the Club´s ethos.”

Coillte_Bhoy

Brewster wrote: »

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth Coillte, it was a legitimate question and you answered it. No one has any issue about club celebrating their Irish culture and roots,

Glad you think so So you have no problem i presume with Boys of the old brigade etc celebrating Ireland's fight for freedom pre the 1960's?

Brewster wrote: »

but this MUST not include the aforementioned chants which are offensive to the vast vast majority of civilised society in Britain and Ireland.

My point was not about the chants but to defend these fans as actual fans. How do you know they only go along to for an ira karaoke as you put it? Most of the Green Brigade's songs have nothing to do with the pira but you would think otherwise, reading some of the nonsense here and elsewhere these past few days

dartbhoy

Well with the debate here recently varying from sectarian chanting to the Wolfe Tones and even one poster thinking that Celtic fans go to Celtic Park every saturday for an IRA karaoke:rolleyes: some people might have forgotten we're back in SPL action tomorrow with a tricky game away to our bogey team Inverness.

After an International break this is probably the last place Celtic would want to travel to! The facts are simple the club need to win every game from now till December 28th to stay in touch with rangers and 3 points is a must tomorrow. Hopefully he'll go with Hooper and Stokes up front tomorrow and I'd like to think that the back 4 wouldn't concede an early goal for a change! A tough game in prospect but I'll go for a 1-0 win for Celtic.

ColeTrain

dartbhoy wrote: »

Well with the debate here recently varying from sectarian chanting to the Wolfe Tones and even one poster thinking that Celtic fans go to Celtic Park every saturday for an IRA karaoke:rolleyes: some people might have forgotten we're back in SPL action tomorrow with a tricky game away to our bogey team Inverness.

After an International break this is probably the last place Celtic would want to travel to! The facts are simple the club need to win every game from now till December 28th to stay in touch with rangers and 3 points is a must tomorrow. Hopefully he'll go with Hooper and Stokes up front tomorrow and I'd like to think that the back 4 wouldn't concede an early goal for a change! A tough game in prospect but I'll go for a 1-0 win for Celtic.

Our back four is crocked. I think Big Dan is the only fit centre half and Wanyama will have to come in. Tomorrow will indeed be very tricky.

A Dub in Glasgo

dartbhoy wrote: »

and even one poster thinking that Celtic fans go to Celtic Park every saturday for an IRA karaoke:rolleyes:

It is Brewster afterall, probably never set foot in Celtic Park in his puff. There is even doubt that his 'Celtic mate' ever did either :pac:

After an International break this is probably the last place Celtic would want to travel to! The facts are simple the club need to win every game from now till December 28th to stay in touch with rangers and 3 points is a must tomorrow. Hopefully he'll go with Hooper and Stokes up front tomorrow and I'd like to think that the back 4 wouldn't concede an early goal for a change! A tough game in prospect but I'll go for a 1-0 win for Celtic.

Celtic away to ICT which is also on TV with that gob****e Craig Burley is always dodgy

dartbhoy

ColeTrain wrote: »

Our back four is crocked. I think Big Dan is the only fit centre half and Wanyama will have to come in. Tomorrow will indeed be very tricky.

Big Dan the only one fit:eek: We are in trouble!

Dempsey

Wanyama was bought to play centre back rather than midfield, hopefully he'll be there tomorrow.

ColeTrain

dartbhoy wrote: »

Big Dan the only one fit:eek: We are in trouble!

Rogne is out with his hamstring again apparently. Loovens, and Charlie are out too. Something is seriously going wrong at the club with the injuries we're getting. Add Cha, the Wilsons, Emilio and Brown to the list. Near the guts of a team.

Dempsey wrote: »

Wanyama was bought to play centre back rather than midfield, hopefully he'll be there tomorrow.

Putting him beside big Dan isn't ideal. He's looked good so far in the holding role though, some strength on the lad.

Brewster

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Glad you think so So you have no problem i presume with Boys of the old brigade etc celebrating Ireland's fight for freedom pre the 1960's?




My point was not about the chants but to defend these fans as actual fans. How do you know they only go along to for an ira karaoke as you put it? Most of the Green Brigade's songs have nothing to do with the pira but you would think otherwise, reading some of the nonsense here and elsewhere these past few days

The point I am trying to make, as I am sure you can appreciate, there are 'fans' of Celtic and Rangers that use these great clubs as a vehicle to peddle their hatred and vile outdated views, so much so that they are prepared to put the wellbeing of their clubs at risk. Their love of peddling their disgusting views is actually is more important to them than the well being of the team. This green crowd are case in point at the moment........

Brewster

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

It is Brewster afterall, probably never set foot in Celtic Park in his puff. There is even doubt that his 'Celtic mate' ever did either :pac:



Celtic away to ICT which is also on TV with that gob****e Craig Burley is always dodgy

I confirmed yesterday I was never in Celtic Park, not sure what this has got to do with debate. I know people that do go, have been and will continue to go... Spare me this 'Celtic mate' nonsense ADIG....

RoryMac

Brewster wrote: »

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Glad you think so So you have no problem i presume with Boys of the old brigade etc celebrating Ireland's fight for freedom pre the 1960's?




My point was not about the chants but to defend these fans as actual fans. How do you know they only go along to for an ira karaoke as you put it? Most of the Green Brigade's songs have nothing to do with the pira but you would think otherwise, reading some of the nonsense here and elsewhere these past few days

The point I am trying to make, as I am sure you can appreciate, there are 'fans' of Celtic and Rangers that use these great clubs as a vehicle to peddle their hatred and vile outdated views, so much so that they are prepared to put the wellbeing of their clubs at risk. Their love of peddling their disgusting views is actually is more important to them than the well being of the team. This green crowd are case in point at the moment........

Yes you're right there are some fans of Celtic & Rangers that use the clubs as a vehicle to peddle their hate but it is a tiny minority. In relation to Celtic as the above statement from the club shows there were 14 Celtic fans arrested on sectarian charges at the ground out of a total of almost 1 million fans!

Although I do want to see an end to some of the chants it also has to be appreciated that this issue has been blown way out of proportion.

The Green Brigade of course have their bad points but their fight to stop the criminalisation of football fans is something I do agree with them on.

These issues are problems for society not football.

Coillte_Bhoy

Brewster wrote: »

The point I am trying to make, as I am sure you can appreciate, there are 'fans' of Celtic and Rangers that use these great clubs as a vehicle to peddle their hatred and vile outdated views, so much so that they are prepared to put the wellbeing of their clubs at risk. Their love of peddling their disgusting views is actually is more important to them than the well being of the team. This green crowd are case in point at the moment........

I have not mentioned rangers fans once in this thread, but does that stop you lumping us all together? No, obviously i didnt but that doesn't stop you peddling your nonsense. Now my point was in response to your remark that Green Brigade (see thats the name, you dont do yourself any favours by going down the tabloid route and ascribing what you think are witty alternatives). anyway the fact that they sing songs that you dont approve of does not make them any less fans than others. Do you get my point? You bring up terms like 'hate' 'vile' that have nothing to do with the substantive debate im trying to have with you. the 'green mob', 'green crowd' etc etc, who you trying to kid? Apply to The Sun for a sub editors position maybe?

Madam

The thing is, if Brewster has never been to a Celtic or Rangers game - how can he disaprove or even know anything about these teams and their overall behavior at matches Also why does appear to be bothered at all, he's a self confessed rugby fan:rolleyes:

buckfasterer

Anyway, lets try to get back to the football! 3 up front today :eek:

Forster; Matthews, Wanyama, Majstorovic, El Kaddouri; Forrest, Kayal, Ledley, Samaras; Hooper, Stokes

http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=1767

Dempsey

Madam wrote: »

The thing is, if Brewster has never been to a Celtic or Rangers game - how can he disaprove or even know anything about these teams and their overall behavior at matches Also why does appear to be bothered at all, he's a self confessed rugby fan:rolleyes:

rabble rabble my celtic friend rabble rabble my rangers friend rabble herp derp i'm entitled to my opinion waffle....:pac:

buckfasterer wrote: »

Anyway, lets try to get back to the football! 3 up front today :eek:

Forster; Matthews, Wanyama, Majstorovic, El Kaddouri; Forrest, Kayal, Ledley, Samaras; Hooper, Stokes

http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=1767

Looking forward to watching this!! :eek:

PauloMN

Another make-shift back four. We've been really unlucky with injuries this season. Any more word on the training pitches possibly being a cause of this?

Looking forward to Izzy being back, El Kaddouri is not a patch on him.

Dempsey

PauloMN wrote: »

Another make-shift back four. We've been really unlucky with injuries this season. Any more word on the training pitches possibly being a cause of this?

Looking forward to Izzy being back, El Kaddouri is not a patch on him.

Burley was saying that the 1st team is now training in Barrowfield! I dunno if thats true or not.

PauloMN

Dempsey wrote: »

Burley was saying that the 1st team is now training in Barrowfield! I dunno if thats true or not.

Thought I heard him say that, but wasn't sure.... my mind tends to automatically filter out Burley these days. If true, how the feck could they have got the new pitches so badly wrong? :eek:

Jesus wept, the linesman for that ball that was out. :eek:

Dempsey

Touch of class about Wanyama

PauloMN

Dempsey wrote: »

Touch of class about Wanyama

He's doing well at the back, certainly doesn't seem uncomfortable there, mind you the bar is not very high!

Dempsey

Harsh but I can see why the referee reacted like that.

PauloMN

Harsh sending off, yellow card for that. Poor from the ref.

PauloMN

This match is brutal, very few chances either side. Hope Celtic come out and play better 2nd half.

Dempsey

Poor 1st half, no real edge to our play. Always nice to see Terry Butcher pissed off. GIRFUY!!! :pac:

Dempsey

YES! Well worked goal but it was looking like a bad day at the office there for a while

PauloMN

Dempsey wrote: »

YES! Well worked goal but it was looking like a bad day at the office there for a while

Fantastic play from Ki, Forrest, Hooper and Stokes. Why does it take so long?

Dempsey

Did you see Ki jogging back and a ICT flying past in front of him and he didnt even change stride, just stayed jogging.

FFS!

Dempsey

Excellent finish by Stokes

Dempsey

LOL @ the "T e r r y Butcher! You're a wanker!" chants ringing around the ground! No hope of ESPN filtering it out.

PauloMN

Dempsey wrote: »

LOL @ the "T e r r y Butcher! You're a wanker!" chants ringing around the ground! No hope of ESPN filtering it out.

Quick, ring Eddie Smith lol.

the realpigiron

Stokes in great scoring form. Pity he burned his bridges with Trap. He wouldn't be a first choice pick but should be in the squad on current form.