Cannabis & Cancer... Cancer.GOV

ScumLord

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

No, I'm claiming CAM is no better than a placebo. If cannabis had no effect on the body, nobody would be using it. In cases like cancer, yeah it can help patients feel better which is important, but treatments which focus on actually dealing with the cause of the disease are much more important.

Sorry I didn't take note that I was quoting yourself.

As pain relieve It's effects are obvious and beneficial. As a cure for cancer I'm not sure, the problem being certain groups are dead set against cannabis being recognised in any way shape or form as a legitimate treatment.

I'd be pretty sure the evidence has already been gathered, the fact no organisation has come out and publicly said it's definitely not true is telling. We have plenty of people giving evidence that cannabis has real benefits but only crackpots working off misinformation from the 50s telling us otherwise.

Captcha

ScumLord wrote: »

Sorry I didn't take note that I was quoting yourself.

As pain relieve It's effects are obvious and beneficial. As a cure for cancer I'm not sure, the problem being certain groups are dead set against cannabis being recognised in any way shape or form as a legitimate treatment.

I'd be pretty sure the evidence has already been gathered, the fact no organisation has come out and publicly said it's definitely not true is telling. We have plenty of people giving evidence that cannabis has real benefits but only crackpots working off misinformation from the 50s telling us otherwise.

+1

mikom

ScumLord wrote: »

As pain relieve It's effects are obvious and beneficial.

The Morning Show presenters Martin King and Aisling O’Loughlin with person with Multiple Sclerosis Brendan Rigter and Multiple Sclerosis Ireland’s Communications Manager Taragh Donohoe

Brendan Rigter, a Kerry native, uses cannabis to control the 'electric-shock' tremors he experiences in his legs. Recently prosecuted for growing cannabis the single dad to three kids speaks about his experience and his thoughts on the medicinal use of cannabis for others with MS.

Link to view here.....
http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=themorningshow&tv3_preview=&video=36700

The legalisation of cannabis has been highlighted again as person with MS Brendan Rigter speaks about his experience of being prosecuted for using cannabis for his MS related tremors.

B_Fanatic

I think I read somewhere that cannabis is the most researched plant in the world. Something like 27000 articles/inquiries about it or something. All of the information is there, its just people saying "I agree that it is good! But we just don't know enough!" in order to win over but the weedsmokers and opposers among their voters.

And the reason a lot of these articles aren't posted in pop media is because of sponsors. Industries that benefit from the oppression of legalisation of cannabis can threaten to bail on a sponsorship deal or an advertisement contract if the media doesn't play ball like they want. That's how the media is controlled. Newspapers make money from advertisements, not the actual sales.

Captcha

mikom wrote: »

The Morning Show presenters Martin King and Aisling O’Loughlin with person with Multiple Sclerosis Brendan Rigter and Multiple Sclerosis Ireland’s Communications Manager Taragh Donohoe

Brendan Rigter, a Kerry native, uses cannabis to control the 'electric-shock' tremors he experiences in his legs. Recently prosecuted for growing cannabis the single dad to three kids speaks about his experience and his thoughts on the medicinal use of cannabis for others with MS.

Link to view here.....
http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=themorningshow&tv3_preview=&video=36700

The legalisation of cannabis has been highlighted again as person with MS Brendan Rigter speaks about his experience of being prosecuted for using cannabis for his MS related tremors.

This is shocking.. Crazy, stupid stupid society.

mikom

Captcha wrote: »

This is shocking.. Crazy, stupid stupid society.

Let no holy joes speak of morality when there is persecution like that going on.
This fuckin' country is upside down.

ScumLord

mikom wrote: »

Let no holy joes speak of morality when there is persecution like that going on.
This fuckin' country is upside down.

Politicians hiding behind bureaucracy as usual. They have no interest in the people, just their own careers.

Captcha

mikom wrote: »

The Morning Show presenters Martin King and Aisling O’Loughlin with person with Multiple Sclerosis Brendan Rigter and Multiple Sclerosis Ireland’s Communications Manager Taragh Donohoe

Brendan Rigter, a Kerry native, uses cannabis to control the 'electric-shock' tremors he experiences in his legs. Recently prosecuted for growing cannabis the single dad to three kids speaks about his experience and his thoughts on the medicinal use of cannabis for others with MS.

Link to view here.....
http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=themorningshow&tv3_preview=&video=36700

The legalisation of cannabis has been highlighted again as person with MS Brendan Rigter speaks about his experience of being prosecuted for using cannabis for his MS related tremors.

This guys shows up the whole scam for all to see.

If this guy is "lucky" enough the government could allow a drug made by pharma companies called sativex which is extracted and [mixed?] with whatever to make a pill. This will cost the tax payer or the person who needs it at least €11 per day. This guy was perfectly fine self medicating with growing his own cannabis free and organically in his garden.

Want to pay for air as well as water charges, much?

Can people see the fallacy in policy yet???

Captcha

BTW since starting this thread I have been smoking something called "budder". It is 99% THC extracted directly from the plant. It leaves you with only the active ingredient, no plant materials or carcinogens. It is a pure clearstate high with immense creative waves.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3589.html

Pure active cannabis ingredient without big pharma. Scary thought isnt it?

mikom

Sativex is cannabis. It is the product of two strains of the plant, one sativa grown to be high in THC, one ruderalis grown to high in CBD.

The medicine is manufactured by a CO2 extraction process which uses ethanol to precipitate a tincture of cannabis containing all the cannabinoids, terpenoids and other compounds present in the plant. GW Pharma led the government to believe that Sativex is an extract of THC and CBD, some sort of sophisticated pharmaceutical preparation but this is not true. It is pharmacologically identical to the cannabis grown illegally in people’s own homes or by government approved growers in Holland, 16 US states or Israel.

Sativex is sold at something like 10 times the price that the organised crime bosses charge.for the same product on the streets of Britain. An identical medicine can be grown easily and safely in people’s own homes or greenhouses for virtually nothing. It is a confidence trick to pretend Sativex is anything different.

http://clear-uk.org/ms-patients-denied-licensed-cannabis-drug-by-nhs-the-guardian-30th-may-2011/

BlueBaron

Captcha wrote: »

BTW since starting this thread I have been smoking something called "budder". It is 99% THC extracted directly from the plant. It leaves you with only the active ingredient, no plant materials or carcinogens. It is a pure clearstate high with immense creative waves.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3589.html

Pure active cannabis ingredient without big pharma. Scary thought isnt it?

You Lucky B*stard!

Captcha

BlueBaron wrote: »

You Lucky B*stard!

€lots / gram (because its illegal) but lasts ages, 3 weeks so far with me along with some other stuff in between, ahem, bubblehash

Sea Sharp

In summary:
Of course there's potential negative side-effects to smoking cannabis. Nobody denies this. It can cause paranoia and can trigger schizophrenia in some people.
So Why should it be legal??
Because if you put anything under the same scrutiny that cannabis gets it looks bad.

How many people die on the roads each year?. Should we ban cars?
How many people suffer health problems due to McDonalds?

Then with respect to cannabis being addictive, it's not physically addictive it's mentally addictive.
If you were to play Call of Duty every day for two years and then you suddenly stopped; the withdrawal symptoms from COD would be the same as the withdrawal symptoms from cannabis.

Of course there are negatives, but relatively speaking cannabis is not as bad as alcohol or tobacco.

And that's what p1sses everybody off. If the government want to protect us from anything with potential negative side effects then be consistent. Weed is less damaging than alcohol or tobacco, so what we should see is either a scenario where weed is illegal along with alcohol and tobacco or a scenario where weed is legal and regulated in the same way as alcohol and tobacco.

The conditions that lead to cannabis becoming illegal in the first place was nothing short of knackery trash-talk in the USA early in the last century by people with blindly obvious agendas in hind sight.

Captcha

Sea Sharp wrote: »

In summary:
Of course there's potential negative side-effects to smoking cannabis. Nobody denies this. It can cause paranoia and can trigger schizophrenia in some people.
So Why should it be legal??
Because if you put anything under the same scrutiny that cannabis gets it looks bad.

How many people die on the roads each year?. Should we ban cars?
How many people suffer health problems due to McDonalds?

Then with respect to cannabis being addictive, it's not physically addictive it's mentally addictive.
If you were to play Call of Duty every day for two years and then you suddenly stopped; the withdrawal symptoms from COD would be the same as the withdrawal symptoms from cannabis.

Of course there are negatives, but relatively speaking cannabis is not as bad as alcohol or tobacco.

And that's what p1sses everybody off. If the government want to protect us from anything with potential negative side effects then be consistent. Weed is less damaging than alcohol or tobacco, so what we should see is either a scenario where weed is illegal along with alcohol and tobacco or a scenario where weed is legal and regulated in the same way as alcohol and tobacco.

The conditions that lead to cannabis becoming illegal in the first place was nothing short of knackery trash-talk in the USA early in the last century by people with blindly obvious agendas in hind sight.

I agree with most of your post. However, new evidence is showing that (paranoia and schizophrenia) were mainly part of the propoganda machines as well.

B_Fanatic

Didn't I hear that marijuana just pushes those optimal for Schizophrenia over the edge? Wouldn't that mean making it public and require a license would make sense? That way those it might damage can steer clear, you don't hear about people with asthma swinging towards cigarrettes or people with nut allergies horsing into M & Ms so I think people would probably have enough sense to stay away from something life threatening if they were diagnosed as a potential Schizophrenia candidate.

I'd go as far as saying over 2/3s of young people have smoked weed. There are only two of us out of a fairly large group that haven't, and that might change fairly rapidly. I just don't want to potentially lose all motivation for my LC. I find it hard enough to study for the last 2 exams.

Sea Sharp

Captcha wrote: »

I agree with most of your post. However, new evidence is showing that (paranoia and schizophrenia) were mainly part of the propoganda machines as well.

The vast majority of smokers I know, myself included, have been hit with the paranoia at one stage or another. In fairness though it's usually just a sign that you need to take a break for a while. The link with schizophrenia has some truth to it. The link is exaggerated in the sense that we were given the impression that normal healthy people can suddenly and drastically go nuts and require medication for the rest of their lives. If there's a history of schizophrenia in your family, you should stay away from weed and other drugs.

Captcha

Sea Sharp wrote: »

The vast majority of smokers I know, myself included, have been hit with the paranoia at one stage or another. In fairness though it's usually just a sign that you need to take a break for a while. The link with schizophrenia has some truth to it. The link is exaggerated in the sense that we were given the impression that normal healthy people can suddenly and drastically go nuts and require medication for the rest of their lives. If there's a history of schizophrenia in your family, you should stay away from weed and other drugs.

Paranoia is generally associated with the particular strain of cannabis. Some people some strains are better. In decent countries where cannabis can be used medically, different strains are prescribed for different people. It is not a one size fits all scenario. If you get paranoid with Jack Herer, then you move to Island Sweet Skunk or something and if you are not paranoid, then continue on.

Regarding skitzophrenia, well obviously stay away from weed, alchohol, ciggis and anything that alters your mental state. Maybe even coffee!

Chuck Stone

So weed makes some people paranoid and helps people who have severe illness. These are not reasons why weed (or any drug ftm) should be (il)legal.

The reason drugs should be legal is because it's violent and immoral to kidnap people and deprive them of their liberty for partaking in what is in essence a totally victimless 'crime'.

If people support the prohibition of drugs then they lend their tacit approval to this violent, resource draining, taxpayers money feeding fenzy of a farce that is drug prohibition.

Captcha

Chuck Stone wrote: »

So weed makes some people paranoid and helps people who have severe illness. These are not reasons why weed (or any drug ftm) should be (il)legal.

The reason drugs should be legal is because it's violent and immoral to kidnap people and deprive them of their liberty for partaking in what is in essence a totally victimless 'crime'.

If people support the prohibition of drugs then they lend their tacit approval to this violent, resource draining, taxpayers money feeding fenzy of a farce that is drug prohibition.

Yep, both you and me pay for the privilege of the customs and drug units to raid, confiscate drugs and criminalize normal tax paying workers like you and me. Then when that happens we go and give more money for more weed. It will never stop. Its so stupid. Society is a joke in so many ways but this is one of the most blatantly self destructive. I am happy to contribute to the destruction of society as long as society wants to be a ****.

maxell2010

I've only recently discovered (through films: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1638943/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw; and a rake of corroborating reading since) that cannabis oil CURES cancer, MS and many, many other illnesses.

The fact that this has been known for decades by pharmaceutical companies and Governments has enraged me more than anything I've ever heard (and that's saying a lot, believe me).

Someone very close to me has MS and you can bet your b***** I will not be waiting for the moronic majority to wake the hell up and stop sending their beloved sons & daughters to be killed in hospitals with the latest legal (and expensive) stickyplaster - with as bad or worse side effects than the original illness.

This has to change, and as soon as f****** possible...

joseph brand

BEASTERLY wrote: »

So you have no problem that certain percentage of your money that you will spend on weed could go towards paying for a killing or assault?

I also think it is childish and irresponsible to not think of where the supply it comes from. The fact that the buyers don't says more about cannabis users more than anything else tbh.

I could also argue that people working, pay taxes. These taxes go towards paying social welfare, which these gangs are probably collecting. So the criminals are going around buying whatever they want with your cash. Well done. Seems like a silly argument but your points are equally ridiculous.

Some people (who probably don't get out very often) believe that if Cannabis is legalized the world will be turned upside-down. Nobody will work, and cats and dogs will live together, followed by mass-hysteria. (taken from Bill Murray in Ghostbusters)

joseph brand

I'm just wondering, is the opposite, to making Cannabis illegal, making it compulsory. But all we smokers want is for it to be made legal so there is the choice. If I want it I can, if not, then don't. Simple.

For some reason when I try to envisage these anti-Cannabis posters I always picture someone who has been to Knock to see the great Joe Colman.

joseph brand

maxell2010 wrote: »

I've only recently discovered (through films: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1638943/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw; and a rake of corroborating reading since) that cannabis oil CURES cancer, MS and many, many other illnesses.

The fact that this has been known for decades by pharmaceutical companies and Governments has enraged me more than anything I've ever heard (and that's saying a lot, believe me).

Someone very close to me has MS and you can bet your b***** I will not be waiting for the moronic majority to wake the hell up and stop sending their beloved sons & daughters to be killed in hospitals with latest legal (and expensive) stickyplaster - with as bad or worse side effects than the original illness.

This has to change, and as soon as f****** possible...

There will always be plenty of 'sheep' among us, just the way it is. They believe the government has their best interests at heart, not their (TD's) bank accounts.
Pharmaceutical companies will always be more interested in treating ailments and sickness than finding a cure. Far more profitable.

My father told me before that the pharmaceutical companies held off on the tablets that get rid of stomach ulcers. He had one for years and was using Milk of Magnesia and drinking milk to ease the pain. Then they brought out the course of anti-biotics, which killed the ulcer in a week, I think. Before the tablets, the only option was to lance it off,(surgery), tube down the oesophagus.

joseph brand

Consider the murderous drug war in Mexico. In 2008, the Obama administration pledged $1.5 billion in equipment and training to aid. The results? The number of drug-related deaths rose to 15,273 in 2010, a 60 percent increase from the previous year. In fact, over the four years since Mexican president Felipe Calderon ordered 6,500 troops to engage the “enemy,” 34,612 people have died. Of those, 30,913 were execution-style killings. And still, despite US funding, the market for pot, ecstasy and meth grew

Source:
http://hightimes.com/legal/dskye/7137

The facts and figures speak for themselves. An Unwinnable war.

maxell2010

joseph brand wrote: »

My father told me before that the pharmaceutical companies held off on the tablets that get rid of stomach ulcers.

The depths to which some people sink never ceases to disgust me... I wonder will Dr James Reilly be remotely open to the truth...

steddyeddy

Captcha wrote: »

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional



Over the past 50 years, cancers have been on the rise. Is it only a matter of junk, processed and cheap foods?



Last time I checked Ireland was very high for these types of cancers. Cannabis may not only be used in treatments but its increasingly becoming more obvious that cannabis, if consumed in the right way (vaporizer for example) can actually become a potent preventative medicine.



Normal combustion would never be a good idea. However, there have been very little studies and money available for researchers to even begin studies. Researchers will follow the money. Lets face it, corporations & pharma dont want us to use cannabis as it will in the long run massively effect their profits. Cannabis has been used for over 3000 years as a medicine. It is the only substance our bodies are hard wired to compliment. The oppression needs to end so that we can perform more and bigger clinical studies.

There are so many of our younger generation smoking now its unreal. The problem with this is that they can only get it from criminals and let me tell you, cannabis is almost as easy to get as alcohol and much easier to get than alcohol if you are under 18. This quality of marijuana is low and taken to another level altogether when you factor in all the toxins criminals here put into it to make it heavier in order to make more profit. These toxins are unknowns and people are harming themselves all over the country due to prohibition.

Personally I had something taken from me by the customs recently (personal amount). I had obtained the marijuana (medical grade) from another country. So all this confiscation did was to make me go down to local criminals to see what kind of stuff they had on offer. Thankfully this time it was clean so I bought it. I duplicated the same amount of money spent but on lower quality produce and funding criminals, making them more powerful and enriched. The also send the money out of the country to obtain their stocks but they jsut happen to be better at getting it into the country than me.

To be honest, this might sound a little bitter but it is my true feelings. I would rather see this society destroy itself with these ridiculous drug policies than to give up marijuana. This is a life decision that I will never change. I am 26 years old.

Were did you get that from?

ScumLord

steddyeddy wrote: »

Were did you get that from?

I wouldn't necessarily agree with certainty of his statement but the cannabinoid receptor has been around even longer than the cannabis plant has from what I can remember. It's been with animals since we dragged ourselves out of the ocean onto land.

Really it's just one of those happy coincidences that eventually a plant came along that fitted that receptor perfectly. I may be wrong or misunderstanding though it's been a while since I saw that documentary, it was a BBC one.

Captcha

steddyeddy wrote: »

Were did you get that from?

Your answer (BBC Horizon):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpV6licCOMw

BBC on Cannabis, enlighten:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHRHLX2Jqck

bc dub

a large majority of irish tokers are smoking contaminated weed. some are oblivious, some know exactly. this **** is most definitely not good PLUS they smoke it in 3 skin unfiltered johnny blue joints...hmmm...

Gigiwagga

BEASTERLY wrote: »

It will always be cheaper when it's mass produced, so dealers will just make it cheaper to keep the punters coming. And how ill you police that? It will not end drug dealing.

Perhaps there should be a campaign to get parents to do all in their power to stop their kids becoming users? A long shot but what's the harm in trying?

Whats this line of ****e you speak of, or are you unwilling to accept some home truths? Why would they clone me, because I won't be adding to the prison system crisis or mental health pandemic caused by cannabis use?

Seriously off the mark, is it really cheaper, or better to buy a crappy head of lettuce in a supermarket or grow your own, and grass is way easier to grow than lettuce. Dealers wouldn't bother their arses handling the stuff, waste of time. This would truly hurt their margins, markets and lifestyle, no question.
A campaign to stop kids using, haha, do you have kids? How successful are parents in getting their kids to refrain from risky sexual behaviour...yeah. That's the first I heard of a mental health pandemic caused by cannabis use. You should read up on the subject a little more carefully and thoroughly before posting on topics you know nothing about.

Legalise it, not at all a long shot, and absolutely no harm trying, previous tactics have kind of failed.

Captcha

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Why would they clone me, because I won't be adding to the prison system crisis or mental health pandemic caused by cannabis use?

The only mental health pandemic around here is you, beasterly with uninformed BS comments like that one right there.

Fall into my arms, as they say...

maxell2010

joseph brand wrote: »

I'm just wondering, is the opposite, to making Cannabis illegal, making it compulsory.

I'm wondering the same... As oils' preventative nature is well documented at this stage, if every man woman and child were prescribed it surely there would be a hideously big enough profit margin to interest the big pharma companies to produce and sell it (and prob raise life expectancy by its biggest jump in history while they're t it). How many people would actually bother to grow it themselves if you could buy it like milk down the local shop...

Imagine... no more depression, cancer, asthma, chronic pain, glaucoma, migraines, MS, tourette's, nausea etc etc etc virtually overnight...

Any organisations hassling our health minister about this??

Pace2008

maxell2010 wrote: »

Imagine... no more depression, cancer, asthma, chronic pain, glaucoma, migraines, MS, tourette's, nausea etc etc etc virtually overnight...

Ah here now. Compulsory cannabis consumption? The end of illness as we know it?

Seriously, this is like the Left's answer to Reefer Madness. A bit of moderation, please. Ridiculous overexaggeration of weed's beneficial effects just undermines the credibility of the legalisation's side (which I'm very much on) of the argument.

maxell2010

I don't blame you thinking it's a ridiculous overexaggeration... But the recent(?) findings have open-minded scientists and doctors declaring hash oil the biggest breakthrough since penicillin. It simply is a wonder drug.. unmatched by any other natural or man-made compound. There is no 'high' from the small drop taken daily, no side effects, and seemingly no one immune from it's healing and preventative qualities - it is successful against all illnesses mentioned above, and many that aren't (and obviously doesn't cure everything so no ones going to be living forever just yet...) The only thing undermining the credibility of the legalisation's side is the fact they don't seem to know how strong their side of the argument is...

maxell2010

If its potentially so easy to greatly diminish killer illnesses' impact on society couldn't it be argued that it's absurd not to make it mandatory???

Pace2008

maxell2010 wrote: »

I don't blame you thinking it's a ridiculous overexaggeration... But the recent(?) findings have open-minded scientists and doctors declaring hash oil the biggest breakthrough since penicillin. It simply is a wonder drug.. unmatched by any other natural or man-made compound.

This is something of a topic of interest of mine, and I'm not unfamiliar with the myriad of purported potential benefits associated with cannabis in its various forms, and as such I know you're exaggerating, both in terms of the benefit and the level of consensus amongst experts in the field.

There are benefits that are widely accepted - the alleviation of nausea and stimulation of appetite in patients undergoing chemotherapy, and the reduction of spasticity in MS patients, for example. It's bloody wrong that patients who would benefit from a treatment in which the benefit is fat outweighed by the risk factor, and I can only assume misguided morality and possibly financial motives are to blame.

But when, instead of saying something moderate like "Cannabis has been observed to reduce malignant cells in brain tumours, and could be a good lead in the fight against cancer" and instead earnestly claim that hash oil will completely eradicate cancer (which in reality is an umbrella term for thousands of diseases), that it will mean the end of all chronic pain (another umbrella term, not a specific illness), that it will categorically obliterate depression...well, I have to conclude you're getting carried away in your excitement and just seeing what you want to see.

maxell2010 wrote: »

If its potentially so easy to greatly diminish killer illnesses' impact on society couldn't it be argued that it's absurd not to make it mandatory???

Should people be force-fed 5 portions of fruit and vegetables per day?

RichieC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ4MauvhRxM

Non brainwashed toadys will be happy to find part two on youtube.

ScumLord

Pace2008 wrote: »

But when, instead of saying something moderate like "Cannabis has been observed to reduce malignant cells in brain tumours, and could be a good lead in the fight against cancer" and instead earnestly claim that hash oil will completely eradicate cancer (which in reality is an umbrella term for thousands of diseases), that it will mean the end of all chronic pain (another umbrella term, not a specific illness), that it will categorically obliterate depression...well, I have to conclude you're getting carried away in your excitement and just seeing what you want to see.

That doesn't work in these daily mail times. You have to have incredible claims and shout them at people. ITS CURES CANCER!!!!! Dagnabbit!

slapbangwallop

Pace2008 wrote: »

Envisage a pair of sarcasm tags around my comment and read it again.

leave him alone will ya, he;s paranoid!

Captcha

The incidence of lung cancer in people who smoke cannabis was less than the incidence of people who smoke nothing at all.

Like I said, DONT combust, vaporize!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiP9LVtE9EY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sknoKWsVlAA

Pace2008

Captcha wrote: »

Like I said, DONT combust, vaporize!!!

Personally, that'd be like eyeballing shots instead of sipping on a few cold beers (ignoring the possibility of severely damaging your peepers).

I enjoy smoking joints. I like the whole ritual around it. I prefer being able to toke away for a while instead of getting monged from a single hit. For me, getting stoned is about the journey as much as the destination.

ScumLord

Pace2008 wrote: »

Personally, that'd be like eyeballing shots instead of sipping on a few cold beers (ignoring the possibility of severely damaging your peepers).

I enjoy smoking joints. I like the whole ritual around it. I prefer being able to toke away for a while instead of getting monged from a single hit. For me, getting stoned is about the journey as much as the destination.

Same as that, every so often I try smoking pure weed from a bong but it's just not the same as toking on a joint for a while. Maybe it's just the lack of tobacco.

There is something around smoking though even from a medical viewpoint. Burning weed does change it's chemical effectiveness. I think I remember hearing you only get the lung cancer beating effects from burning the weed.

Captcha

ScumLord wrote: »

Same as that, every so often I try smoking pure weed from a bong but it's just not the same as toking on a joint for a while. Maybe it's just the lack of tobacco.

There is something around smoking though even from a medical viewpoint. Burning weed does change it's chemical effectiveness. I think I remember hearing you only get the lung cancer beating effects from burning the weed.

Combusting the cannabis plant @ 1400 C is going to create problems in the long run for your health.

The active ingredients in cannabis, the cannabinoids & THC are what fights and helps prevent cancer. The vaporization process gives you much more than a joint. It never heats the cannabis more than 190 C. It only vaporizes the "good" parts of the plant.

Also I dont know if you guys heard of the Iolite.
http://www.my-iolite.com/

Designed & Built in Ireland (Carlow) and is one of the most popular in the world, they are exporting loads of these things worldwide, it is the future and if you dont go down this route you are stuck in the past and doing yoursefl harm. If you put the same amount of weed into this as you put in a joint you get twice the amount of "smoke / vapor" as you would from a joint and its a much nicer fuller smoke.

Dont forget that ciggi companies put chemicals in tobacco to make it burn longer etc which their filters are "supposed" to filter out. If you take the tobacco from a ciggi and put in a joint then you are adding a whole pile of unknowns and imo are insane if you think its better than vaporizing it.

Cannabis does not cause schizophrenia either, it can actually be used to treat it I have recently found out.

maxell2010

Pace2008 wrote: »

instead of saying something moderate like "Cannabis has been observed to reduce malignant cells in brain tumours, and could be a good lead in the fight against cancer"

Why stand by lesser claims when people like Rick Simpson have proved through hundreds of case studies that oil does far more than reduce symptoms and provide pain relief?? It is far, far better than that and if it takes tabloid-esque headlines (that happen to be true) to get people's attention and raise general awareness then so be it I say...

Pace2008 wrote: »

Should people be force-fed 5 portions of fruit and vegetables per day?

It'd do more good than iodine tablets in the next world war... But should people be educated that 5 portions is good for them? Should 5 portions be legal? Of course it should...

maxell2010

"The incidence of lung cancer in people who smoke cannabis was less than the incidence of people who smoke nothing at all. "

This was the sentence that first spun my head. Any long term smokers should be jumping with joy at that one...


And while a healthy dose of scepticism is essential, I can't recommend enough watching this film and, especially, Rick Simpsons'. I can't see any motive for the man to lie or exaggerate - he risks jail to give oil to strangers for free...

Captcha wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiP9LVtE9EY
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Captcha

Cannabis May Cut Alzheimer's Risk?

For those who have inhaled, there may be some good news: Marijuana use may cut the risk of developing Alzheimer's disease by reducing inflammation in the brain, researchers reported this week.

"The maze task is sensitive to memory impairment and also to ageing," Wenk says. "Old rats tend to be pretty bad at navigating the maze. It's kind of like an elderly person trying to find his way around a house that he's not familiar with." Researchers gave the animals three days to learn the maze and then timed them on the fourth day.

The rats that received WIN-55212-2 in both age groups found the platform faster than their control counterparts. However, the difference between the treated and untreated animals' performance was greatest among the older rats. The brains of rats receiving the synthetic drug also showed less sign of inflammation.

So governments force us to get older and slower quicker, shortening our lives really, as your brain I personally believe is what keeps us strong and alive. Kill them off asap after they retire, they only worked all their lives for the country but ah sure fukkk them kill them off its cheaper. We dont need them any more.

I love you society. You are so smart and fluffy.

Memory loss in Alzheimer's patients is not fully understood, but part of the problem is thought to lie with cells called microglia that surround neurons in the brain. In Alzheimer's, the activity of microglia gets out of control, damaging neurons and killing off parts of the brain. Dr de Ceballos's team conducted two separate experiments using human brain tissue and rats which showed that THC inhibits the activity of microglia, thus reducing memory loss.

The people against cannabis are on about memory loss and all the rest of it. Will yas cop on to fuk and stop interfering with my right to protect myself? The polar opposite is true.

[Sources]

Discovery Channel (2006)
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/10/19/marijuana_hea.html?category=human&guid=20061019101530

BBC (2005)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm

New Scientist (2006)
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10330-hope-for-cannabisbased-drug-for-alzheimers.html

Scientists from Ohio State University report that marijuana, contrary to the conventional wisdom, may help ward off Alzheimer's and keep recall sharp. Their findings, released today at the Society for Neuroscience meeting in Washington D.C.: chemical components of marijuana reduce inflammation and stimulate the production of new brain cells, thereby enhancing memory.

Scientific American
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=pot-joins-the-fight-against-alzheim-2008-11-19

Now I am starting to see why people who are against cannabis seem to have lost their ability to learn new things. I am also starting to understand why I am so successful in life without education (26 yrs old) as my brain makes me my money and its all based on instant recollection of information used to sway a mind in an infinitely technical & complex industry. Usually im stoned at work too, those days I make the most money

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Cannabis May Cut Alzheimer's Risk?





So governments force us to get older and slower quicker, shortening our lives really, as your brain I personally believe is what keeps us strong and alive. Kill them off asap after they retire, they only worked all their lives for the country but ah sure fukkk them kill them off its cheaper. We dont need them any more.

I love you society. You are so smart and fluffy.



The people against cannabis are on about memory loss and all the rest of it. Will yas cop on to fuk and stop interfering with my right to protect myself? The polar opposite is true.

[Sources]

Discovery Channel (2006)
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/10/19/marijuana_hea.html?category=human&guid=20061019101530

BBC (2005)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm

New Scientist (2006)
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10330-hope-for-cannabisbased-drug-for-alzheimers.html



Scientific American
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=pot-joins-the-fight-against-alzheim-2008-11-19

Now I am starting to see why people who are against cannabis seem to have lost their ability to learn new things. I am also starting to understand why I am so successful in life without education (26 yrs old) as my brain makes me my money and its all based on instant recollection of information used to sway a mind in an infinitely technical & complex industry. Usually im stoned at work too, those days I make the most money

To clarify - smoking my brains out means about 3 (1skin or half joints) joints worth per day. Sometimes more on occasion. I dont want to mis-lead anyone as too much of anything is bad will always be bad.

Min

The B vitamins cuts alzheimers risk.

Cannabinoids causes severe mental illness in some people, fact.

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The B vitamins cuts alzheimers risk.

Cannabinoids causes severe mental illness in some people, fact.

Also curries help prevent it.

Source for your last statement please like I had the decency to do?

mikom

Min wrote: »

Cannabinoids causes severe mental illness in some people, fact.

Use of this term causes all further posts to be null and void.........