Candy Cab PSU/Info

o1s1n

ondafly wrote: »

but you'll have to disconnect it from your kick harness though ? right ? as in its not a simple plug and play solution ? ideally you want a board that takes the Jamma edge and kick connections , and converts the 2 of them together into a nice mvs connection

Ah right! I didn't have a kick harness set up in my last cab. Just had button 4 and the Neo Geo select up and down scroll buttons wired directly to the JAMMA harness.

Steve X2

What kind of bios do I want in an MVS board?

Seems to be a few options on these things.

ondafly

mines Japanese - means language in Japanese but more gore in games

you can fit a unibios - if you really want full flexibility on game settings.

o1s1n

I've yet to come across a Neo Geo game that suffers because it's in Japanese. Definitely go with that option.

Gore and bouncing girly parts FTW!

Andrew76

I came across this link recently that has some nice pics of the internals of the Atomiswave incase anyone is interested. The translation from French is a bit crap in places though.

Pyongyang

Steve SI wrote: »

You ever have any duty to pay on the stuff from jammaboards or ultimarc? I think both are based in the US.

I've ordered from Jammaboards before. VERY quick delivery time and I didn't get charged any duty.

unky chop chop

ondafly wrote: »

theres a french company I've used for getting the proper connectors etc. StarCabs or something - thing is the shipping is fixed, from what I can make out, at a stupid 13euro. I'd be happy to jump onboard an order if one was going to save on shipping.

edit !

http://www.starcab.net/

I'm up for that, as soon as i find out what I need.:pac:

Regarding the xbox pad hack I figure I can wire all the wires from pad to a female 12 pin connector

The male end in the astro, can then be disconnected from the jamma female connector and connected to this new female if i wanna switch to xbox 360.

This should work shouldnt it??or is there another way I'm missing
The 12 pin connectors have 3 spare(pins 9 10 and 11)-which should allow for button 4,5 and 6 on xbox controller. The rest of the pins will just line up with buttons 1,2,3,start and ground.



I will also need to just daisy chain the grounds on 4,5 and 6
Only problem is when playing jamma six button I will have to remove quick disconnect from buttons and attach kick harness.

ondafly

unky chop chop wrote: »

This should work shouldnt it??or is there another way I'm missing
The 12 pin connectors have 3 spare(pins 9 10 and 11)-which should allow for button 4,5 and 6 on xbox controller. The rest of the pins will just line up with buttons 1,2,3,start and ground.

I will also need to just daisy chain the grounds on 4,5 and 6
Only problem is when playing jamma six button I will have to remove quick disconnect from buttons and attach kick harness.

It should work alright - buy why not save the confusion, and just use the kick harness socket for the kick buttons on the xbox pads ? you will need to run 4 wires from each pad into that one plug and if your CP is already 6 button, it will have the male end ready to plug in.

unky chop chop

Just found this site for ordering connectors and what not.

http://www.giz10p.co.uk/

Seems nice and cheap for shipping.
I'm gonna go with them since starcabs are now on holidays for 2 weeks...
Only prob is there is no 4 pin amp connectors for speakers

unky chop chop

I knew I wasn't thinking right.
My cp only has 3 wires connected so that didn't occur to me.
Thats the way to do it alright . I'll but a female kick harness connector and connect the wires from buttons 4 ,5 and 6 on pad hack to that.
easy switch then
Cheers man

Andrew76

unky chop chop wrote: »

Just found this site for ordering connectors and what not.

http://www.giz10p.co.uk/

Seems nice and cheap for shipping.
I'm gonna go with them since starcabs are now on holidays for 2 weeks...
Only prob is there is no 4 pin amp connectors for speakers

Forgot about that site, I ordered a PSU from them before with no hassles.

Steve X2

I've decided to go for a single slot MVS board(MV-1FZ) with a universe bios chip in it so i can change region and other cool stuff.


I really like the option to switch between MVS and AES modes on the MVS games.

I'd like the 4 slot but its just to big and I have lots of stuff to fit in the cab as it is. Plus the single slot is 100% jamma so no problems there.

Universe BIOS & compatible MVS boards

Later on into the MVS's life, a talented coder named Razoola created the Universe BIOS. This is a replacement BIOS ROM chip for the NEOGEO MVS hardware. It is easily fitted in under 5 minutes to an MVS board with a socketed BIOS. All 2/4/6 slot motherboards have a BIOS socket so the BIOS is easily replaceable.
With the 1 slots, some have a soldered BIOS and this means a Universe BIOS can not easily be fitted without first soldering in a socket, this is quite difficult unless you have a decent amount of skill soldering, personally I'd avoid doing this and go for a one slot motherboard that already has a BIOS socket, I have discussed which one slot models have this in the section above.

The Universe BIOS is a great addition to an MVS system, it allows you to switch the system between MVS and AES mode, the AES being the expensive home console version of the same hardware, this gives you access to training modes and options screens contained on the cart that you wouldn't normally see on a closed-off arcade cabinet. For example on fighting games it gives you a proper 2 player versus mode so you can choose your characters each round, instead of the 'winner stays on' you have if playing on a default MVS system.

The Universe BIOS also offers an in-game cheat menu and several preprogrammed cheats you can apply to make the game easier, unlock secret characters in fighting games, reset the system without needing to switch it off, etc. It also offers a better test menu with tweaked features, a secret menu acessable by holding the ABC buttons when you first switch the machine on where you can change the region of the machine from Japanese/US/Euro, as well as many other features including a jukebox so you can play your favourite tunes on the cartridge.

I've rattled on about its features enough, and to be honest there is a better explaination on the official site.

Universe BIOS homepage

It is cheap and a great addition to the MVS system, and also simple to fit, if you have an MVS board you'll probably want one.
Unless you're a complete purist who prefers everything to be original, thats fine too!

http://wiki.arcadeotaku.com/w/Beginners_Guide_To_SNK_Neo_Geo_MVS

I've also nabbed a "Robocop" Jamma board to try out as well for old times sake

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o1s1n

Ah yeah, a single slot is perfect. The games are easy enough to change..it's almost like sliding VHS tapes into a VCR

Wish I hadn't sold my one off now...damn 6 slot was a mistake!

Steve X2

o1s1n wrote: »

Ah yeah, a single slot is perfect. The games are easy enough to change..it's almost like sliding VHS tapes into a VCR

Wish I hadn't sold my one off now...damn 6 slot was a mistake!

Yeah, the 6 slot would have been much to big for my cab with the guts of a PC in there. The 1 slot will fit perfectly.
I have a 160 in 1 MVS cart that I got for nothing so that can go in there until I get some originals

Steve X2

Would I be right in saying that the trisync arcade monitors max out at 640x480? Some sources online seem to say you can run 800x600 without problems.
I'm just thinking for hyperspin etc.

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ondafly

Steve SI wrote: »

Would I be right in saying that the trisync arcade monitors max out at 640x480? Some sources online seem to say you can run 800x600 without problems.
I'm just thinking for hyperspin etc.

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Would it still be considered a tri-sync monitor then ? 800x600 = WVGA

I'd be pretty wary running anything higher than 480p on the monitor. Best to review the actual specs for your monitor and go from there. The last thing you want to have to do, is replace it.

Regarding Hyperspin - there are other options for front ends, and a PC isn't necessarily the best. Don't forget a modified XBOX1 has some pretty nice frontends built for it already (although big at 25gigs), plus you will be able to play any of the fighters etc that appeared on the XBOX1

Steve X2

ondafly wrote: »

Would it still be considered a tri-sync monitor then ? 800x600 = WVGA

I'd be pretty wary running anything higher than 480p on the monitor. Best to review the actual specs for your monitor and go from there. The last thing you want to have to do, is replace it.

Regarding Hyperspin - there are other options for front ends, and a PC isn't necessarily the best. Don't forget a modified XBOX1 has some pretty nice frontends built for it already (although big at 25gigs), plus you will be able to play any of the fighters etc that appeared on the XBOX1

Yeah, I think I'll stick with 640x480 for the Hyperspin setup. The original Xbox is not powerful enough for what I want so I'm building a high spec micro atx based PC for it(high spec except for the arcadeVGA card which is ok but no that beefy unfortunately). My Hyperspin setup comes in at 2TB+ so a PC is the way to go for me. The basic MAME hyperspin setup is only about 60GB but I have a lot of extras

I have those Xbox 1 frontends on my modded Xbox alright, some of them are nice actually (especially the new Xbox CoinOPS EPIC that was released a month or so ago)but as I waited so long to get myself an arcade machine I'm sparing no expense on this.

Steve X2

Is this any better than directly hooking up an Xbox 360 to the Arcade monitor?

Seems pricey for what it is.

THIS PCB ALLOW YOU TO USE YOUR XBOX 360 INTO YOUR STANDARD ARCADE CABINET.

- Converts XboX 360 as coin operation arcade game system
- Built-in audio amplifier, it can drive the speaker directly
- Exports high quality VGA signal which supports LCD and CRT monitors
- Optional rebooting console function while time is out
- Brightness/chroma/contrast on board adjustable
- 2 coins enter devices supported
- 2 players available, independent/share mode optional
- Demo Sound On/off
- Total coins amount display supported

http://bit.ly/jeoNyY

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Steve X2

Ordered my NeoGeo MVS MV1-FZ today from Starcab as well as a few other bits and pieces.
I'm fairly sure I paid over the odds for it but I really wanted it to be ready when the candy arrives. I paid €89 for it by the way

My 161 in 1 MVS cart will live in it until I get a more original games for it.

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ondafly

Steve SI wrote: »

Is this any better than directly hooking up an Xbox 360 to the Arcade monitor?

Seems pricey for what it is

http://bit.ly/jeoNyY

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That is only useful if your monitor doesn't have a VGA connection and you don't know how to create the phono input (which I think you've both as you're getting an Egret). You will still need to do a pad hack as well for controls.

Steve SI wrote: »

Ordered my NeoGeo MVS MV1-FZ today from Starcab as well as a few other bits and pieces.
I'm fairly sure I paid over the odds for it but I really wanted it to be ready when the candy arrives. I paid €89 for it by the way

My 161 in 1 MVS cart will live in it until I get a more original games for it.

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good stuff - now look up the DIP switches for freeplay :cool:

Steve X2

ondafly wrote: »

That is only useful if your monitor doesn't have a VGA connection and you don't know how to create the phono input (which I think you've both as you're getting an Egret). You will still need to do a pad hack as well for controls.



good stuff - now look up the DIP switches for freeplay :cool:

Ahh, I see. He's charging enough for it thats for sure.


I got the unibios on the MVS board so I don't need dip switches I think as i can do it all from the menu as well as some other very cool stuff

unky chop chop

Crap,have u guys ordered your stuff yet,i just read that you need female pins for male amp connetors and vice versa.god damn i,m gonna have loadsa female pins instead of males

Steve X2

unky chop chop wrote: »

Crap,have u guys ordered your stuff yet,i just read that you need female pins for male amp connetors and vice versa.god damn i,m gonna have loadsa female pins instead of males

Yeah, I stuck the order in earlier today.

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unky chop chop

Ah well cheers any way.
I bought twelve male for some reason and 40 female pins!!
I'll get one pad hooked up to the amp connectors anyway.

Steve X2

unky chop chop wrote: »

Ah well cheers any way.
I bought twelve male for some reason and 40 female pins!!
I'll get one pad hooked up to the amp connectors anyway.

Sure I don't have my cab yet so in sure I'll be sticking another order in for the stuff I forgot or stuff I didn't know I needed in a couple weeks time.

On another note, Anyone know what type of joysticks are on the Egret 3 control panel by default (sanwa,seimitsu etc) ?


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unky chop chop

Cheers,
Can't wait that long though..13 euro shipping for 2 euros worth of goods it is:D
If your buying of Ronnie I think it's luck of the draw what sticks are in it.
If you ask him I'm sure he can change to your preference.
Mine has Sanwa all the way:)

Steve X2

unky chop chop wrote: »

Cheers,
Can't wait that long though..13 euro shipping for 2 euros worth of goods it is
If your buying of Ronnie I think it's luck of the draw what sticks are in it.
If you ask him I'm sure he can change to your preference.
Mine has Sanwa all the way:)

My shipping was €19.20 from starcab. But it was a bit heavier than normal probably with the bits i got.

The Egret 3 control panel I'm getting from the ronster is factory fresh(ish). Either way it would be Sanwa or Seimitsu, right?

unky chop chop

Yeah they are expensive.my last order from giz10p was 5 euro shipping.I'm gonna go with them

Yep you'll deffo get Sanwa or Seimitsu.Ronnie ain't no two bit cowboy.
Imagine a candy cab with cheap knock off parts ...or worse HAPP
Looking at the egret 2 manual it comes with Sanwa parts as stock so i'd say they're your best bet for Egret 3

Steve X2

unky chop chop wrote: »

Yeah they are expensive.my last order from giz10p was 5 euro shipping.I'm gonna go with them

Yep you'll deffo get Sanwa or Seimitsu.Ronnie ain't no two bit cowboy.
Imagine a candy cab with cheap knock off parts ...or worse HAPP
Looking at the egret 2 manual it comes with Sanwa parts as stock so i'd say they're your best bet for Egret 3

Cool, well lets just say I covered all bases on the starcab order

Lots of parts bought and some I'm sure I wont need.
What were you looking for yourself? I might have a few spare bits from the order.
I'm of the mindset of "why buy one of something when you can get two for twice the price, or three for trice".

It's bad but its who I am

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Andrew76

If you zoom in on page 78 from this link http://wiki.arcadeotaku.com/images/1/17/E3parts.pdf it's definitely Sanwa joysticks and buttons mentioned, on the original anyway.

unky chop chop

That's the sad thing.
I just need about 12 male pins for the amp connectors and they are only 10 cents each.:mad:
I ordered about 40 females and 12 males.Should have been the other way around.
You think you've covered everything,I put money on it(or twelve pins):D that you've forgotten something

Steve X2

unky chop chop wrote: »

That's the sad thing.
I just need about 12 male pins for the amp connectors and they are only 10 cents each.:mad:
I ordered about 40 females and 12 males.Should have been the other way around.
You think you've covered everything,I put money on it(or twelve pins):D that you've forgotten something

Yeah, I'm sure I forgotten loads of stuff.

I just had a look at my order there and its still pending as they were only back from holidays today. You want me to see if I can still stick a few items on the original order? I can send them an email and see if its possible if you like.

unky chop chop

Yeah man.If you could try that would be really appreciated
I just need 40 of these
http://www.starcab.net/product_info.php?cPath=90_201&products_id=673

8.60 euro.
I'll sort you out with money straight away

Steve X2

unky chop chop wrote: »

Yeah man.If you could try that would be really appreciated
I just need 40 of these
http://www.starcab.net/product_info.php?cPath=90_201&products_id=673

8.60 euro.
I'll sort you out with money straight away

Ok, I sent them an email about it. Will see what they come back with.
I've never dealt with them before so don't know how they are about stuff like this.

Steve X2

Andrew76 wrote: »

If you zoom in on page 78 from this link http://wiki.arcadeotaku.com/images/1/17/E3parts.pdf it's definitely Sanwa joysticks and buttons mentioned, on the original anyway.

Cheers for that Andrew, helps me out a bit.

By the way, your Hyperspin is fully cooked and ready to come out of the oven

I wont be around tomorrow but Sunday evening or any evening next week is fine.

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Andrew76

Steve SI wrote: »

Cheers for that Andrew, helps me out a bit.

By the way, your Hyperspin is fully cooked and ready to come out of the oven

I wont be around tomorrow but Sunday evening or any evening next week is fine.

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Excellent stuff dude thanks. I might try for Sunday evening if I can, getting renovations done on the gaff so not sure what time I can get away at. If not I'll just PM to organise another evening.

Was just giving the mini HS a lash there using my SFIV TE + xpadder, great stuff. I noticed when I exit out of a game back to the HS it gets a bit jumpy for a few seconds - that normal or just my system?

Steve X2

Andrew76 wrote: »

Excellent stuff dude thanks. I might try for Sunday evening if I can, getting renovations done on the gaff so not sure what time I can get away at. If not I'll just PM to organise another evening.

Was just giving the mini HS a lash there using my SFIV TE + xpadder, great stuff. I noticed when I exit out of a game back to the HS it gets a bit jumpy for a few seconds - that normal or just my system?

Shouldn't be jumpy really. Are you still running from the external drive or did you copy it to an internal?

Plus if you have anti virus or anti malware software running it might try scanning all the hyperspin bits and pieces and that might slow it down or cause a bit of jumpiness.

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Steve X2

unky chop chop wrote: »

Yeah man.If you could try that would be really appreciated
I just need 40 of these
http://www.starcab.net/product_info.php?cPath=90_201&products_id=673

8.60 euro.
I'll sort you out with money straight away

Starcab just got back to me. They've already shipped the order out so cant add these to it.

Oh Well

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Steve X2

Ok, this will probably cause some disagreements.

What is the best joystick brand for a general use cab (as in it will have many different types of games running)?

Is it Sanwa or Seimitsu?

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o1s1n

They're both great. It only becomes a preference if you're really into a specific genre like fighting or shumps.

Do you like one more than the other at all?

Steve X2

o1s1n wrote: »

They're both great. It only becomes a preference if you're really into a specific genre like fighting or shumps.

Do you like one more than the other at all?

I guess if I had to pick one style of game over all the rest it would be shmups.


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Andrew76

If you have the funds then get both, same goes for the buttons - then see which ones you prefer.

o1s1n

Steve SI wrote: »

I guess if I had to pick one style of game over all the rest it would be shmups.


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Then it's Seimitsu for you

The short throw on the stick is really ideal for shmups.

Steve X2

o1s1n wrote: »

Then it's Seimitsu for you

The short throw on the stick is really ideal for shmups.

But still decent for other styles of game?

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o1s1n

Ah yeah, they're great sticks. It's just hardcore fighter players rather a Sanwa stick. The longer throw lends itself better to Street Fighter type circular motions...I think. Not really up on fighters at all.

I have a Seimitsu in a Dreamcast stick and use it for every DC game I have. I really wish I could connect it up to other consoles. Might actually finally 1cc the last couple of levels in Metal Slug if I could get it connected to my Neo Geo!

ondafly

don't be worrying about sticks just yet - worry about what you're going to sit on while playing

but Seimitsu would be my choice, however I really like Sanwa buttons

unky chop chop

Sanwa all the way if you are in to fighters.
My order from giz 10p arrived today and I did get the right pins:)

Where does one get decent size seats for candys?Ikea

Steve X2

ondafly wrote: »

don't be worrying about sticks just yet - worry about what you're going to sit on while playing

but Seimitsu would be my choice, however I really like Sanwa buttons

Well I have a stool that's the perfect height but horrible uncomfortable and cheap.
But I also have a very comfortable golden retriever. Perhaps I can combine the two to make the ultimate seat.

Actually, where would you get an authentic Jap arcade stool? I would have brought one back from japan but I don't think it would have fit in my check in luggage