Cork GAA Discussion Thread

rebel girl 15

Looking forward to Sunday, gave my two tickets away, but wouldn't be able to get there anyway, cost of flights was mad! Hope a lot of people stop on their way up in Thurles, Cork ladies are playing Kerry for the third time this year, and having been beaten twice already, Cork are looking for revenge. Juliet Murphy is back with the team, and she was a huge difference in the quarter final game v Dublin.

It will be interesting the tactics used by both teams on Sunday - will Brian Murphy play for Cork, will Clare stick with the sweeper in front of the full back line. My heart and head want to say Cork, but against Dublin, Cork struggled with the sweeper system, and were massively helped when O Dwyer was sent off, as it forced Dublin to change. Lot of weight on Pat Horgan's shoulders as well, free taking needs to be spot on.

ShamoBuc

zetecescort wrote: »

Will be combining a trip to Thurles for the ladies on sat if I get a ticket

Thought of that - match is at 4 I think, but I'd be travelling with a few of the lads who are city fans like myself so not really an option. Bar stool in tallght for about 4 would be a nice compromise though.

Archer3083

Mouth of the South wrote: »

I'd say a fella like Keith Ricken would be worth a shot considering his record with CIT and St. Vincents, but I don't think his face fits with Frank. I wouldn't want Geezer, but I'd be open to an outside manager taking the reins. At the end of the day, I wouldn't care two hoots whether a manager is from Tralee or Timbuktu as long as he could make the most of the undoubted playing talent that is there and sadly it appears the managerial talent isn't there to exploit it. Did Galway people care two hoots that it took a Mayoman like John O'Mahony to deliver them an All Ireland? I doubt it.

I wouldn't want Keiran McGeeney either but to be fair to the man I think he's been successful with Kildare. I know he hasn't won a major trophy with them but he's made Kildare a top 8 team and he's brought alot of consistency and professionalism to the set up.

I think it would be good if there was a selection panel made up of former players and mangers. It would also be good if candidates pitched their ideas/philosophy to the selection panel. Cork have the players to be attacking in their style. So, it would be good to see what approach the new manger would take. I just hope we move away from Counihan's slow, hand passing game. I think Cork have the players to do what Kerry have done this year, and play a fast footpassing game with accurate finishing.

At least Ephie Fitzgerald spent a year with the Limerick senior football team under Maurice Horan but that's hardly much experience. I think Cleary might be the best of a bad lot in Cork. At least he's been with the U21 set up for a long time. He should have a fairly good idea what sort of underage talent is available but I'm not sure he's interested in the job. He stood down this year after the U21 final defeat. I think he might be sick of the whole set up. He wouldn't be the first to get fed up of Frank and the whole CCB.

zetecescort

what we need imo is a management team rather than one person. someone to devise a plan, somebody to train the players. I think its too much for one person. some of the basic skills are lacking in our lads. talk is usually about no defined tackle yet Mayo went away and worked on how to do it properly, no evidence of such work done at our training sessions.

compare the improvement of Aidan OShea to Aidan Walsh over the last 2 or 3 years

Archer3083

zetecescort wrote: »

what we need imo is a management team rather than one person. someone to devise a plan, somebody to train the players. I think its too much for one person. some of the basic skills are lacking in our lads. talk is usually about no defined tackle yet Mayo went away and worked on how to do it properly, no evidence of such work done at our training sessions.

compare the improvement of Aidan OShea to Aidan Walsh over the last 2 or 3 years

I completely agree with you. The best management systems at the moment have a coach like Cian O'Neill or Donie Buckley dealing specifically with skills and then you have strength and fitness coaches as well. The manager is really more of a tactician now who can develop a strategy or more or less cultivate a particular style. In fact this year Mayo almost went back to basics and not only worked on their tackling, they also worked on the skills of the game such as kick passing and kicking with both feet. I think it's having an amazing effect on the team. Very positive and forward thinking

rebel girl 15

A manager is now a manager of a team, rather than a coach and every other role roled into one. A manager needs to be able to step back during training, and watch the players, worry on getting the best out of every player rather than coaching a session. If you have a coach and a manager, a manager can watch the players, take them aside if needs be and work on things or talk to them without interrupting the flow of the session. By not having to plan the session, the manager has time to work on strategy and to develop drills that will look to make a suitable style of play. It takes pressure off them a small bit.

Get back to very basics, the number of Cork lads who solo the ball to over head height and cannot kick an accurate foot pass is crazy. Thats what O Grady did with the hurlers, went back to the basics, master those and then look at other skills.

ShamoBuc

The Cork Senior Hurling team to play Clare in Sunday's All-Ireland Final will line out as follows:

1. Anthony Nash
Kanturk

2. Stephen Mc Donnell 3. Shane O'Neill 4. Conor O'Sullivan
Glen Rovers Bishopstown Sarsfields

5. Brian Murphy 6. Christopher Joyce 7. William Egan
Bride Rovers Na Piarsaigh Kilbrin

8. Lorcan Mc Loughlin 9. Daniel Kearney
Kanturk Sarsfields

10. Seamus Harnedy 11. Pa Cronin 12. Conor Lehane
St. Ita's Bishopstown Midleton

13. Luke O'Farrell 14. Patrick Horgan 15. Jamie Coughlan
Midleton Glen Rovers Newtownshandrum

16. Darren McCarthy Ballymartle
17. Kilian Murphy Erin's Own
18. Mark Ellis Millstreet
19. Tom Kenny Grenagh
20. Stephen White Ballygarvan
21. Rob O'Shea Carrigaline
22. Cian Mc Carthy Sarsfields
23. Cathal Naughton Newtownshandrum
24. Stephen Moylan Douglas
25. Michael O'Sullivan Tracton
26. Michael Cussen Sarsfields


Didn't think Brian would start...or at half back!

zetecescort

at half back to pick up Podge Collins I'd say. big call and only management know if he's 100% fit.

Archer3083

So, what's the feeling for Sunday? Alot of Cork people are very confident. So, are a lot of Clare people! To be honest myself, I'm a little fearful of Clare. I thought Galway were rubbish this year especially after the Clare game because I didn't rate Clare, then I thought Limerick spent too long celebrating their Munster final win and weren't properly focused on the semi-final. Now I'm not so sure. I think the way Clare set up, they're very difficult to beat. Having said all that, if Clare go behind in a game, they aren't able to attack without leaving holes at the back. The Cork game is proof of that. I don't think the game on Sunday will be easy, and I don't think it's a foregone conclusion.

Archer3083

Very well said rebel girl 15, excellent post

slingerz

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

A manager is now a manager of a team, rather than a coach and every other role roled into one. A manager needs to be able to step back during training, and watch the players, worry on getting the best out of every player rather than coaching a session. If you have a coach and a manager, a manager can watch the players, take them aside if needs be and work on things or talk to them without interrupting the flow of the session. By not having to plan the session, the manager has time to work on strategy and to develop drills that will look to make a suitable style of play. It takes pressure off them a small bit.

Get back to very basics, the number of Cork lads who solo the ball to over head height and cannot kick an accurate foot pass is crazy. Thats what O Grady did with the hurlers, went back to the basics, master those and then look at other skills.

those guys were picked initally during Counihan's tenure because of their physical abilities rather than football. Donegal pioneered the blanket defence but Cork pioneered the obsession with size, strength, fitness and pace. other teams have improved upon what cork started and also added another direction

Archer3083

slingerz wrote: »

those guys were picked initally during Counihan's tenure because of their physical abilities rather than football. Donegal pioneered the blanket defence but Cork pioneered the obsession with size, strength, fitness and pace. other teams have improved upon what cork started and also added another direction

I don't think you can focus on any one particular quality when it comes to inter county football or hurling. It has to be a balance between ability, skill, physical size and fitness and of course mentality. Players need to be mentally strong also. It's great to get a skillful player who has a brain and it's even better if he's big but I'd have the skillful player any day over the big man.

The_Kew_Tour

Archer3083 wrote: »

So, what's the feeling for Sunday? Alot of Cork people are very confident. So, are a lot of Clare people! To be honest myself, I'm a little fearful of Clare. I thought Galway were rubbish this year especially after the Clare game because I didn't rate Clare, then I thought Limerick spent too long celebrating their Munster final win and weren't properly focused on the semi-final. Now I'm not so sure. I think the way Clare set up, they're very difficult to beat. Having said all that, if Clare go behind in a game, they aren't able to attack without leaving holes at the back. The Cork game is proof of that. I don't think the game on Sunday will be easy, and I don't think it's a foregone conclusion.

I said this already in match thread but,

my heart says Cork.

If I had gun to my head I go Cork, but I be nervous wreck.

I honestly think there wont be more than 3 points either way.

Clare are excellent side.

Saw odds in Paddy Powers we are 10/11 and Clare 6/5. That is just about right imo.

No way should Clare be taken for granted. Some Cork people think we have nothing to do but show up. Utter stupid.

Thankfully, JBM has been here so many times and knows what to expect and will know how keep the team calm and focused.

The_Kew_Tour

oh and best of luck to the Ladies later on too. make it a double this weekend.

Amprodude

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I said this already in match thread but,

my heart says Cork.

If I had gun to my head I go Cork, but I be nervous wreck.

I honestly think there wont be more than 3 points either way.


Clare are excellent side.

Saw odds in Paddy Powers we are 10/11 and Clare 6/5. That is just about right imo.

No way should Clare be taken for granted. Some Cork people think we have nothing to do but show up. Utter stupid.

Thankfully, JBM has been here so many times and knows what to expect and will know how keep the team calm and focused.

I am nervous about Clare but I think Cork should have the edge here. Cork by 4. Horgan to have a stormer.

Archer3083

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I said this already in match thread but,

my heart says Cork.

If I had gun to my head I go Cork, but I be nervous wreck.

I honestly think there wont be more than 3 points either way.

Clare are excellent side.

Saw odds in Paddy Powers we are 10/11 and Clare 6/5. That is just about right imo.

No way should Clare be taken for granted. Some Cork people think we have nothing to do but show up. Utter stupid.

Thankfully, JBM has been here so many times and knows what to expect and will know how keep the team calm and focused.

I'm the exact same way. I'm just nervous as well. I just don't think we can take Clare for granted. Galway and Limerick got beaten by this Clare team and I think they would have taken Clare for granted. I trust JBM to have the team right! He's been there before, he knows what to do.

ShamoBuc

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

If I had gun to my head I go Cork, but I be nervous wreck.

Me too:)

niallo27

Archer3083 wrote: »

I'm the exact same way. I'm just nervous as well. I just don't think we can take Clare for granted. Galway and Limerick got beaten by this Clare team and I think they would have taken Clare for granted. I trust JBM to have the team right! He's been there before, he knows what to do.

Galway maybe but not limerick. We have been at the same level for years winning every second game for a good while.

Archer3083

niallo27 wrote: »

Galway maybe but not limerick. We have been at the same level for years winning every second game for a good while.

There's not a huge amount between Cork and Clare over the years. It should make for an excellent game. That's what makes me nervous. This game could be decided by a point or a goal!

niallo27

Archer3083 wrote: »

There's not a huge amount between Cork and Clare over the years. It should make for an excellent game. That's what makes me nervous. This game could be decided by a point or a goal!

It's going be a cracker I think. I hope it doesn't rain too bad and ruin it. Both teams have very skillful hurlers that would be great to watch in a dry day. Cork dont score goals though so I think Honan could be key and if cork worry too much about him it will leave space for McGrath who is getting his form back after injury.

ShamoBuc

Cork ladies started well and went 1-03 to 0-00 up before Kerry settled.
Valerie doing what Valerie does ( 2 fine goals) has us 2-05 v 0-07 up at ht.

Some of the passing has been poor and the ref has given us a few softish frees, the element will be in our favour for the second half though.

ShamoBuc

FT Cork 2-09 v 0-11 Kerry

Well done to the Ladies who got to the final today by ousting Kerry when it mattered. Despite having lost twice to Kerry this year, today was knockout football and Cork landed the punches needed. Mulcahy was at her best, Briege 'Duracell' Corkery, Cleary and co were just not going to be beaten today. In a game that was always close, Cork deserved their win as they were the better team. They pushed up on Kerry in the second half and were rewarded for their pressure.
You could clearly see by the celebrations at the final whistle what this won meant.

They are some team and an absolute pleasure to watch!!

JFlah

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Cork ladies started well and went 1-03 to 0-00 up before Kerry settled.
Valerie doing what Valerie does ( 2 fine goals) has us 2-05 v 0-07 up at ht.

Some of the passing has been poor and the ref has given us a few softish frees, the element will be in our favour for the second half though.

From a Kerry point of view very very disappointing but the better team on the day won. 2 fine goals indeed and bordering on unmarkable! . Still a sense of injustice that a team(and NOT because it was Cork ) gets 3 chances to beat you .. I,m glad you mentioned the ref as it won,t sound like sour grapes BUT.........some of the frees given against Kerry were farcical and in more than one instance should actually been a free to Kerry.

Besides that well done to one of the finest teams ever to play with some of the finest players
We,ll be back next year

The_Kew_Tour

Our Mens team could take some tips from the ladies.

Well done girls.

ShamoBuc

Just got the phone call I was waiting for..... set the alarm, you've got yourself a ticket!!!! Get in !!!!

Archer3083

JFlah wrote: »

From a Kerry point of view very very disappointing but the better team on the day won. 2 fine goals indeed and bordering on unmarkable! . Still a sense of injustice that a team(and NOT because it was Cork ) gets 3 chances to beat you .. I,m glad you mentioned the ref as it won,t sound like sour grapes BUT.........some of the frees given against Kerry were farcical and in more than one instance should actually been a free to Kerry.

Besides that well done to one of the finest teams ever to play with some of the finest players
We,ll be back next year

I completely agree. It's farcical that team have to meet each other twice or three times in the championship. Championship should mean knockout. Going forward the provincial systems should be disassociated from the All-Ireland series.

JFlah

Archer3083 wrote: »

I completely agree. It's farcical that team have to meet each other twice or three times in the championship. Championship should mean knockout. Going forward the provincial systems should be disassociated from the All-Ireland series.

Eventually that penny will drop with the powers that be

Archer3083

JFlah wrote: »

Eventually that penny will drop with the powers that be

Hopefully it will change. I think Eugene McGee and the FRC are going to look at championship structures this year but no proposal will be brought to congress which seems like a cop out. The present structures are pretty outdated now and what is most strange is that the ladies are more pioneering than the men. The ladies use a stop clock already. And I think this year that referees are wearing head cameras which is an interesting innovation.

JFlah

Archer3083 wrote: »

Hopefully it will change. I think Eugene McGee and the FRC are going to look at championship structures this year but no proposal will be brought to congress which seems like a cop out. The present structures are pretty outdated now and what is most strange is that the ladies are more pioneering than the men. The ladies use a stop clock already. And I think this year that referees are wearing head cameras which is an interesting innovation.

The clock and refcam are great pity no mic on the ref to make it interesting.. Structure wise I don,t know will be a long process

Archer3083

JFlah wrote: »

The clock and refcam are great pity no mic on the ref to make it interesting.. Structure wise I don,t know will be a long process

I think we all agree that the structure of the championship needs to change but I'll be honest, I don't know what should be put in place of the existing set up. I think a champions league style format sounds good, or even maybe just have two completely separate competitions. Keep the provincial championships but have an open 32 county draw for the All-Ireland as a separate competition. It's hard to know what to do though!