Cork GAA Discussion Thread

zetecescort

Would imagine you could score from a puck out. Just my opinion but I'd view it like a sideline cut or free, a puck out is just a means of restarting the game and you can score from it.

thinkstoomuch1

If you werent at the with the greatest respect you didnt see what i sat.I saw both doon and ardscoil play ,both ,shane o connell and r ronan lynch in a sweeping role.

Not just think about this,if cork played the same way as that laois game,that waste,fuc*king wasteful ball after ball would be eaten alive by Mike Casey(senior with na piarsaigh)Barry O halloran(a senior intercounty player in the making,full or senior)josh o hallorhan,Ronan Lynch(played senior out of poiston for na piarsaigh but superb at corner forward,super at 9 and in a sweeping role,)are just as good as laois,lads,most of whom are minor ,u21,and even Better.


Example-dayne palmer ,just out of minor destroyed cork as a sweeper .What lad,do you think Munster minor player of the year last year,much better than the talented palmer ,and much more expierence at A Higer Level.Lad i have seen ard scoil four times in the Harty this year ,and train in ul twice and also ,in a challenge against cork minors,missing a few,i know ,how good and bad they are.


Also Dont forget,with Crehan,Ian galvin who is some talent and Cian lynch have players unlike laois,that couldnt score if they buyed one for a 1st half and more .Ard scoil lets be Crystal Clear as most intercounty minor teams or u21,and Laois last night were practially bar a few,a young team.


Would Lit beat cork last night.Of course,dont kid yourself,i was there at ul wednesday,jesus chri*st the intensity and hunger would have blown Cork away.Lit delibrately didnt go to ul changing rooms ,but were like a bull in a china shop,lad in the way they tore through a gap in the dtich and ran on to the field,than do the ,catwalk ,stroll out the walkway from the aerena to the ptich .


That wasnt as they had no parking or as they were late.That was Davy style preplanned,we dont do ul rules ,we go through hell and high water to make the field,We Set Our rules on the ptich.Ul were blown away.Laois no where near that lit intensity blew cork away last night in the middle third.

So No ,Just No was that an overaggeration on my part.A one line statement post more or less back before limerick game said Cork would win by 6 points etc with no facts to back it up.I said them,that cork team had to change to win,and it didnt change and drew but in truth lost and Lost Badly.
Last week people said dont panic.
Now same again this week.


I expected cork to win by 11 or 15 points last night but said we would only do that if our management had adapated to the sweeper ,and we had the right intensity with the players we didnt in either.



Were in march nearly ffs.When do we worry April.Yeah its like a lightswich,just flick it on.Get Real.

Limerick?what did they win ?again sweet sh*g all,no all ireland and lost a league deicider in div 2.
If o grady was in charge as he is now,would beat laois handy.I guarantee you limerick,the way they play will laois by more than 7 as they will run at them and wont cough up soft possion time and time again.

One home game ,and a much overhyped Munster title against 14 man cork.Limerick were like i said all last year,set up to fail.
Munster title,two home games,against 14 man cork.Wow.We won nothing but had ten times a better season than them.
They had a panel,we didnt .We carried two passengers just to make up the numbers.



You its early yet no reason to panic,yet in 2012,v galway , against tipp when we had extra man,they played a sweeper,countless other games with that sxmstem ,we struggled ,and were outhought and beaten in the possesion stakes for long periods,last week against limerick we went 20 minutes without scoring.


Sorry now,but i dont agree,in the so called wisdom ,do not panic its early yet.Unlike limerick today ,we are a team 3 year in ,the plan ,and Must develop a ruthless winning mentality.And Do not panic you say, ffs Limerick with a poor 10 to 15 in comparison to us ,had a game plan,and typical o grady went for the juglar.I was at that game by the way today.



Limerick have a 16 plus handicap,firm control of getting promoted.An awful weekend for cork hurling and got 3 goals,we couldnt even get one.A lot of people need to get real and wake up.Limerick couldnt score at distance,they went for goals,by running at Antrim and short crisp passing and offloading to space.Antrim as i said had to turn up today they didnt but Limerick were Cute enough and clinical enough to punish them.Would Cork have got that score???
No,as they give away possesion than treasure it.

Harnedy,suillivan and coughlan all had the pace and running to run at laois,they couldnt as long hopless bombs were dropped time and time again on them.


I didnt think limerick would win by 26 points,thought they would be close to our 7 margin but O grady knew exactly how to beat Antrim,and created so much space in the second half they opened Antrim at will.Antrim were worn down.



You can see the difference in two games with limerick now than last year,two super results with a weak panel ,against all the odds.


Forget about finishing top for Cork.Every reason for cork fans to be frustrated.



Yeah horse and conorzee mcloughlin had a poor ist half and did hit sloppy ball ,i agree.

I thought he came in to it the second half and cleaned up a lot of ball.


O sullivan shouldnt be taken of i agree,move him to midfield even for ellis who was Useless bar a catch and the odd ball.Better than last week,but that wouldnt be hard.


He got lauded last week for sideline balls.Wow ,jesus wow.Last night he couldnt get it up at all at all.

thinkstoomuch1

Tippeary blew it against kilkenny,a mental block against them.

Mcgeeney the Messiah have no fear ,cometh the man,cometh the hour,he will save tipp.
I doubt it.I didnt fancy tipp with him there,and cant see them doing much.Suit cork down to the ground,a game of hurling.


Kilkenny ten down,see the hunger and will to come back and win with still a lot of problens.Do people thin cody thought 10 down ,???ah dont worry its just the league,throw in the towel.Me hole he did,winning is everything.Clare the same , -same training as cork ,time wise yet beaten by dublin.But Dublin are much better than laois.Watch the backlash in clares next game after that loss.


So early yet there miles ahead of cork.Every reason to panic.

Connorzee

I forgot to add to my earlier post... Haughney and Ellis are not up to it.

KK were awesome in the second half today, Tipp, as usual bottled it.

thinkstoomuch1

Connorzee wrote: »

I forgot to add to my earlier post... Haughney and Ellis are not up to it.

KK were awesome in the second half today, Tipp, as usual bottled it.

Hes afraid of hes own shadow as a hurer.


Yet people will say oh but what hands.

Hands are no good unless you have the stomach for battle.


Ellis,i said it was never at that level.


Look at the intensity kk had.

The_Kew_Tour

KK wont be far away this year.

Beware of a wounded Cat

Indie.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

If you werent at the with the greatest respect you didnt see what i sat.I saw both doon and ardscoil play ,both ,shane o connell and r ronan lynch in a sweeping role.

Lad no need to get so defensive. You stated that the ard scoil team would beat Cork, which is clearly an exaggeration.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Limerick?what did they win ?again sweet sh*g all,no all ireland and lost a league deicider in div 2.

Is there really a need to demean their Munster success which clearly meant a lot to their supporters. Cork fans would have taken it before last years campaign.

thinkstoomuch1

Davy post match interview,very start rubbished ,any excuses.He said he wasnt blaming the ptich or any excuses ,simply. werent good enough
WE have a lot to do he said.


Cheddar plunkett never blamed the weather but said there was good aeras he saw,but he wasnt happy with a lot,and lot to improve on .

Jbm said weather awful-cant criticise any player.
Very contrasting statements huge worry regard jbm ,as we had to get a huge win saturday but didnt.


Eddie brennan great anayaists said he wasnt impressed with the cork body language,they never went for a big win and it was there for them and scoring difference is hugely important now.



Debate point ,no bother, you dont agree but at least back it up with reasons why??you think im wrong,please state why, rather its wrong,overexarragtion,or its demeaning etc.Its these one line short statements ,that i always find amusing.Heres my answer ,but no reason why.




I said the Ard scoil team yesterday would have beaten that cork performance last night,as Cork struggle with a sweeper.Its not ard scoil have better hurlers,its they have a system ,cork struggle to beat.Ard scoil would rattle that laois team.Ard scoil are an intercounty minor team,in prepartion,nutrition,team anaylis,you name it.That laois team is young.


Your thoughts cork for the year re cork v blanked defences ?


Im being realistic lad ,putting in to perspective.Tell me who did limerick beat last year?


Exclude cork game as down a man with 35 min in 27 degrees
Please tell me how Laois are so great ??with greatest respect to them an average team,talents players very much in transition.

We are focusing for waterford,they focus on westmeath.A bit of realism,where both teams are at.

Also hyland was out for most of the game,we had 2 all star forwards starting.


Yes cork fans would love a munster title.Id judge it on its merits do.
Take the football beating kerry in cork in Munster ,yet flattering to decieve,couldnt do it kerry.Credit due ,but limerick must keep it in perpsective,two at home ,stumbled to a munster final win .Would they have won that game ???15 v 15 we cant guarantee that.
Lost to dublin in a league final,beaten out the gate by clare.With the talent they had,should have done more.


Watch them with o grady.Real real contenders this year ,and have the power for kk ,and the pace for clare.A serious team.Last year team,no where near this year.Two games in have a plan a and b.
Had no plan last year ,oh sorry they did empty the bench.Great plan.Close the gate when the horse bolts.They beat one team last year.The other game was over as soon as horgan was sent off in such heat.

Archer3083

I think you alienate yourself a bit by being too negative and overly critical thinkstoomuch, but if you toned down the criticism then more people would agree with you. I'd agree with you overall, but I just wouldn't be as extreme as you. I would take the opinion that hurling in February is very different to hurling in May or September. On the other hand, and I might be wrong, but it just seems like Cork are beginning to regress under JBM. You can always use the weather and time of year as an excuse, maybe Cork are training very heavy between games. It's possible. But there were things lacking the last night that can't be explained away as easily. Is it my imagination or did Cork lack clear direction and leadership in both games against Limerick and Laois? I'm not just referring to JBM here, I also mean leaders on the pitch?

Indie.

@Thinkstoomuch1.You want me to provide reasons why I don't think the Cork Senior hurling team would lose to a colleges team? System or no system it doesn't make sense. I don't have to provide an essay type answer to back that up.

Who did Limerick beat you say. Firstly I dont think it matters. You could argue the same for Kilkenny with two of their All-Ireland wins this century where they walked Leinster only to meet poor teams in the final against Limerick and Waterford. Those players dont care, they have two more All-Ireland medals in their back pocket. Same applies to limerick winning Munster IMO. Do they care that Cork were down to 15, they could have won anyway. I dont think their win should be devalued because of this.

Rightwing

Archer3083 wrote: »

I think you alienate yourself a bit by being too negative and overly critical thinkstoomuch, but if you toned down the criticism then more people would agree with you. I'd agree with you overall, but I just wouldn't be as extreme as you. I would take the opinion that hurling in February is very different to hurling in May or September. On the other hand, and I might be wrong, but it just seems like Cork are beginning to regress under JBM. You can always use the weather and time of year as an excuse, maybe Cork are training very heavy between games. It's possible. But there were things lacking the last night that can't be explained away as easily. Is it my imagination or did Cork lack clear direction and leadership in both games against Limerick and Laois? I'm not just referring to JBM here, I also mean leaders on the pitch?

Cork are doing ok, nice handy hurlers. Wexford top of the table, they could do a number on either or both limk/cork.

Rightwing

Indie. wrote: »

@Thinkstoomuch1.You want me to provide reasons why I don't think the Cork Senior hurling team would lose to a colleges team? System or no system it doesn't make sense. I don't have to provide an essay type answer to back that up.

Who did Limerick beat you say. Firstly I dont think it matters. You could argue the same for Kilkenny with two of their All-Ireland wins this century where they walked Leinster only to meet poor teams in the final against Limerick and Waterford. Those players dont care, they have two more All-Ireland medals in their back pocket. Same applies to limerick winning Munster IMO. Do they care that Cork were down to 15, they could have won anyway. I dont think their win should be devalued because of this.

You've nailed it there, I think Clare were lucky who they met last year in the final and semifinal, but do they care? They have the medals.

Archer3083

Rightwing wrote: »

Cork are doing ok, nice handy hurlers. Wexford top of the table, they could do a number on either or both limk/cork.

Really? Wexford certainly put up to Dublin last year in the Leinster championship the first day, but lost their composure the second day. Wexford also made life tough for Clare in the qualifiers. Liam Dunne is eccentric but he's a good manager. Maybe Wexford could turn over Limerick or Cork but they might not be trying too hard in either game. Wexford won't win qualification cos they'd have to beat both to achieve Division 1A hurling. And they'll easily finish top 4 in Division 1B which guarantees them a league quarter final spot. Wexford and Offaly might sacrifice results now to tailor their preparation for the championship to coincide with the league quater finals. So, Wexford and Offaly might train hard now and try to come into form from April onwards

Archer3083

Rightwing wrote: »

You've nailed it there, I think Clare were lucky who they met last year in the final and semifinal, but do they care? They have the medals.

Clare and Limerick could only beat the teams that were put in front of them last year. And that's what they did. That's all any team can do in a given year.

Rightwing

Archer3083 wrote: »

Really? Wexford certainly put up to Dublin last year in the Leinster championship the first day, but lost their composure the second day. Wexford also made life tough for Clare in the qualifiers. Liam Dunne is eccentric but he's a good manager. Maybe Wexford could turn over Limerick or Cork but they might not be trying too hard in either game. Wexford won't win qualification cos they'd have to beat both to achieve Division 1A hurling. And they'll easily finish top 4 in Division 1B which guarantees them a league quarter final spot. Wexford and Offaly might sacrifice results now to tailor their preparation for the championship to coincide with the league quater finals. So, Wexford and Offaly might train hard now and try to come into form from April onwards

Offaly are in trouble, they could go down. You are right about Wex, they are v unlikely to beat both limk and cork, i wouldn't rule out 1 upset though.

Straight Talker

Rightwing wrote: »

You've nailed it there, I think Clare were lucky who they met last year in the final and semifinal, but do they care? They have the medals.

Didn't you say on the Limerick thread that you don't rate Cork because they haven't won anything in years?You have a point to a certain extent but then there was that comment about Anthony Nash you made on this thread which i found to be insane.So i get the impression that you have a bee in your bonnet about Cork!Of course munster titles are nice but if the reff blew up on time last September then i wouldn't have given two hoots about a munster final defeat.Munster titles are nice but all they are worth nowadays is a quicker route to the semi finals.I see that some people are taking umbrage with thinkstoomuch's post's again.Well like it or lump it this Cork team struggles when teams deploy negative and defensive tactics.If you can't highlight issues that need to be addressed without getting accosted then why bother having a discussion forum in the first place?

Archer3083

Rightwing wrote: »

Offaly are in trouble, they could go down. You are right about Wex, they are v unlikely to beat both limk and cork, i wouldn't rule out 1 upset though.

I think Wexford are definitely capable of beating either Limerick or Cork. I don't think it would be considered an upset either. Wexford aren't a bad team. Offaly put it up to KK last year in championship, and weren't that far off Waterford either. So, I don't think Wexford or Offaly are that far off the mark

The_Kew_Tour

Lets be honest.

I think a lot of us Cork fans feel we were lucky to get to the final last year.

I dont think we are Top 3 team at minute.

Rightwing

Archer3083 wrote: »

I think Wexford are definitely capable of beating either Limerick or Cork. I don't think it would be considered an upset either. Wexford aren't a bad team. Offaly put it up to KK last year in championship, and weren't that far off Waterford either. So, I don't think Wexford or Offaly are that far off the mark

I don't think this league is that bad, antrim are laois are the weak links. If Wex beat Limk or cork it has to be considered an upset. But they are improving.

Archer3083

Straight Talker wrote: »

Didn't you say on the Limerick thread that you don't rate Cork because they haven't won anything in years?You have a point to a certain extent but then there was that comment about Anthony Nash you made on this thread which i found to be insane.So i get the impression that you have a bee in your bonnet about Cork!Of course munster titles are nice but if the reff blew up on time last September then i wouldn't have given two hoots about a munster final defeat.Munster titles are nice but all they are worth nowadays is a quicker route to the semi finals.I see that some people are taking umbrage with thinkstoomuch's post's again.Well like it or lump it this Cork team struggles when teams deploy negative and defensive tactics.If you can't highlight issues that need to be addressed without getting accosted then why bother having a discussion forum in the first place?

Galway struggled with Laois last year in championship. John Tennyson said on Setanta sports on Saturday night that they found it hard to play Dublin at times when they played a sweeper. Teams do struggle a bit against sweepers and blanket defences. And the reason that weaker teams deploy such tactics is to frustrate better teams.

Archer3083

Rightwing wrote: »

I don't think this league is that bad, antrim are laois are the weak links. If Wex beat Limk or cork it has to be considered an upset. But they are improving.

Liam Dunne is doing a very good job, glad he's there this year again. Very passionate man. Not that different to Davy really

Rightwing

Straight Talker wrote: »

Didn't you say on the Limerick thread that you don't rate Cork because they haven't won anything in years?You have a point to a certain extent but then there was that comment about Anthony Nash you made on this thread which i found to be insane.So i get the impression that you have a bee in your bonnet about Cork!Of course munster titles are nice but if the reff blew up on time last September then i wouldn't have given two hoots about a munster final defeat.Munster titles are nice but all they are worth nowadays is a quicker route to the semi finals.I see that some people are taking umbrage with thinkstoomuch's post's again.Well like it or lump it this Cork team struggles when teams deploy negative and defensive tactics.If you can't highlight issues that need to be addressed without getting accosted then why bother having a discussion forum in the first place?

I don't rate cork up there with KK or tipp. Probably around the same as limk/waterford/galway.

I said about Nash, it has nothing to do with him. He did v well, I just think those frees are dangerous.

I want to see Cork hurling back at the top. Good for the game.

Rightwing

Archer3083 wrote: »

Liam Dunne is doing a very good job, glad he's there this year again. Very passionate man. Not that different to Davy really

I don't like Wex, they are a dirty team. But they are capable of putting in a performance when no one expects it. I hope that performance is v Cork

Straight Talker

Rightwing wrote: »

I don't rate cork up there with KK or tipp. Probably around the same as limk/waterford/galway.

I said about Nash, it has nothing to do with him. He did v well, I just think those frees are dangerous.

I want to see Cork hurling back at the top. Good for the game.

Truth be told i think Tipp have gone way back.They just seem to have gone soft.I think Limerick will beat them in the championship.

Archer3083

Rightwing wrote: »

I don't like Wex, they are a dirty team. But they are capable of putting in a performance when no one expects it. I hope that performance is v Cork

Are they dirty? I think they lost their composure against Dublin last year in the replay and let them selves down, cos that was a real opportunity to to progress.

Connorzee

Wexford wont be up to much lads. If they get to within 5 points of this current just about doing enough Cork i'll be surprised.

Rightwing

Straight Talker wrote: »

Truth be told i think Tipp have gone way back.They just seem to have gone soft.I think Limerick will beat them in the championship.

They were the 1 team I wanted to avoid in the summer, but I've said that a few times and they've underachieved. They have the players, so there's something wrong.

Archer3083

Straight Talker wrote: »

Truth be told i think Tipp have gone way back.They just seem to have gone soft.I think Limerick will beat them in the championship.

Tipp have never been the same since Liam Sheedy left. Declan Ruth couldn't get them back to that top level. Eamonn O Shea ultimately failed last year. The manager has a big influence on teams. Would Clare have been as successful without Davy? Would KK have been as good without Cody? Would Cork have got to 3 finals, league, Munster and All-Ireland without JBM?

Rightwing

Archer3083 wrote: »

Are they dirty? I think they lost their composure against Dublin last year in the replay and let them selves down, cos that was a real opportunity to to progress.

Pressure came on them after that disgraceful showing. I think Dunne was under the impression they could just break hurleys off people.

Archer3083

Connorzee wrote: »

Wexford wont be up to much lads. If they get to within 5 points of this current just about doing enough Cork i'll be surprised.

It would be nice to see Wexford and Offally improving. Hopefully they will. The other teams, KK, Cork, Limerick, Tipp, Clare, Waterfor, Dublin and Galway are getting closer to each other in terms of quality. It would be nice to see Wex and Offally at that level too