Cork GAA Discussion Thread

rebel girl 15

Look up Avondu GAA on Facebook, they posted a pictur of it earlier

Connorzee

Nevermind, i got it

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/ogrady-limerick-boards-lack-of-perspective-appalling-266145.html

O grady has an unblemished record,with youghal back in the day,many other clubs ,recently ballymartle


He is a manager that in every part of the country ,has positive publicity compared to limerick that have a history of in fighting and trouble.I supported them in the past but i have zero sympathy for them now.


O grady has untarnished record.

Your record is your passport in life.Easy to see who the poor relations are in this

Thats no problem at all
Gary ,its around that week game v kildare in cork not 100 per cent sure as som as I hear I post


Lads with clubs next two weeks


Yes I dont believe warm weather cams are a necesity as were not playing at altuide for example
Once the enviroment and intensity is good your fine.And the weather was lovely saturday and sunday etc.



Good news is dinneen flying training .I would hope and expect man start in challenges
Cahalane is flying

Jamie sul,flying
Colm the same
Cadogan had parts to play ,but deane took part so injuries cleared away and its full strength more or less
Walsh is fit again

A lot postives,morale is excellent and management credit due them that


I remain to be convinced in certain things,but time will tell


How far drive is it to skryne from cork city??anyone know


Tom ryan is in he element reading hes paper article.Knocking two birds one stone.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/ryan-wants-disaster-of-ogrady-exit-to-prompt-treaty-change-266152.html

Today in the paper He gets hes dig at county board(justifed now )but thats primarly due to hes no love there,while same time getting a dig at o grady and hes possesion game.

He is some man to judge,a talented newtown team couldnt beat blackrock,made ned keane look like a hero ,a veteran ,by catching ball after ball ,when newtown couldnt win aerial ball .

Ger Cunningham ul ,now with laois ,steps up,year later and that same team are all ireland champs.Yes tom,possesion game you naively ignored to your old school 1990 ways ,was a success,and christy o connor in the echo wrote a mouthwatering,awesome,inspiring piece on how clare now possesion game was an evolment from the style bertie o connor created,then cork.
http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/09/18/bernie-behind-modern-hurling-revolution/

Ger Cunninghan had innovation,saw how that style was great with newtown and got them to play that.Tom ryan saw it,he was with Ger Cunninghan but failed to accept or Realise Evoultion .

He never wanted an outside manager .He is a fan of tj though.
He got 3 in a row in the interview,criticised the board ,praised tj ,and criticsed o grady.He says tj,is in an awful position,as if o grady put him there.That ryan had to mind the house.No ,he didnt,ryan could have and should have walked.


Hes last stint at westmeath ended in a shambles.Some man to judge intercounty managers.He said jbm should resign last year.

Tom will get some rude awakening with clare possesion game when he goes long and direct in u21 soon enough.Ball after ball down on half back line ,win 50/50 lads were fine.
Great ,except ,clare play a sweeper.
He has enough to worry bout ,than judge others .

Gary Neville

Skyrne is 175 miles from Cork - onto M50 and take the Cavan Rd - head for Dunshaughlin and Skyrne is next - It'll take around 3 hours.

You are thinking of heading up - TTM - Fair play.

I was talking to a few of the footballers today - they were playing golf ahead of me - they were very pleased with the week-end training camp.

Connorzee

Imokilly and Carbery gone to extra time. One of the Keane brothers sent off for Carbery in the first half of extra time. Not sure how much is left

thinkstoomuch1

Was at that avondhu ucc game last night.
It was a mismatch in many respects ,avondhu were miles of the pace.


Rob o shea got two goals,at corner forward.Has real slick hurling,pace,and has bite.
Much better than ellis cork wise for midfield

Harnedy won a load of ball,created a goal.
Mick walsh had a super game I felt,should be on the cork panel.
Automatic starter for intermediates with peter o brien who had a good game

Our minor Sean hayes was superb at full forward,goal and two,could had two.Lad is 18 yet had glynn kilkenny with a full fitzigibbon behind him,the lad was in all sorts of trouble.
Great hand ,and tough and mixes it.
Playing senior club at minor.Real potential.Do hes confidence the world of good as he has huge test 8 in 8 weeks against Fanning for cork but I have no fear.

Murphy mallow club mate superby for ucc at wing back .Cork got to decide is he a 7,9,or 10 as much as versailty is great ,hes got to stick to one aera.

Herily was very good ,has start u21 cork,but same manager didnt play him at minor much.

Colm spillane wasnt great ,however injury has curtailed him .
Lawton was taken off and was very poor ,and he has suprised me,he is gone back a lot .Poor in two games cork,but at club should be standing out



Thanks gary

Yeah I can get the time of ,i be there .Yeah good weekend camp cork ,howevever ,there was a few concerns I would have .


Cork u15,16 etc are in camp in cork every day playing and training etc.
Huge weekend next week inter divisonal teams in hurling .
U16 footballers playing in kildare friday

Connorzee

Carbery beat imokilly AET.. 0-20 to 0-15... 0-12 to 0-12 at full time of normal.

corkrobinhood

Thinking of heading up myself to that game in Meath if im not working,nice to get around to grounds you wouldnt normally visit in a league or Championship year

Orizio

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Lawton was taken off and was very poor ,and he has suprised me,he is gone back a lot .Poor in two games cork,but at club should be standing out

You are confusing Barry and Brian Lawton.

TheBigGreen

Brian Cuthbert and his selectors have announced their Championship panel for 2014 as follows:

1) Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)
2) David Hanrahan (Douglas)
3) Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s - Captain)
4) Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)
5) Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)
6) Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
7) Kevin Crowley (Millstreet)
8) James Loughrey (Mallow)
9) Tom Clancy (Clonakilty)
10) Tomás Clancy (Fermoy)
11) Damien Cahalane (Castlehaven)
12) Sean Dineen (Castlehaven)
13) Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
14) Fintan Goold (Macroom)
15) Andrew O’Sullivan (Castletownbere)
16) Ruairi Deane (Bantry Blues)
17) Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)
18) Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
19) Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
20) Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
21) John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
22) Patrick Kelly (Ballincollig)
23) Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)
24) Donncha O’Connor (Ballydesmond)
25) Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough)
26) Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
27) John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)
28) Donal Óg Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa)

The following players will also work with the squad as developmental players.

Conor Dorman (Bishopstown)
Sean White (Clonakilty)
Brian O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
Ian Maguire (St. Finbarr’s)
Cathal Vaughan (Iveleary)
Mark Sugrue (Bandon)
Alan Cadogan (Douglas)
Dan MacEoin (Ilen Rovers)

Gary Neville

Thinkstoomuch - You heard that Alan Cadogan wasn't going to try IC Football this year. He's changed his mind so. I suppose having his brother on the Football squad and his outstanding form at U21 (club and IC) were factors. He's the most promising young football corner forward that I've seen for ages so whilst I think the dual thing is not sustainable, long-term, I'm glad to see him try football.

No major other surprises - McLoughlin wasn't good enough, I didn't see enough of Kevin O Driscoll and O Laoire but management made the call. Alan Cronin has the football but at 5' 7'', he's too small. Rory O Sullivan is the other absentee.

Glad to see the u21's involved. Strange that Kevin Crowley is on the full squad and the others are on the developmental squad. I suppose it makes no real difference.

Commiserations on those that are dropped and keep up the effort - the door isn't closed.

thinkstoomuch1

Great squad ,im happy with that,no room for sentiment ,mcloughlin was never up to it,shouldnt taken them the league to realise it.


Laoire -can feel hard done by ,never got games

colm o driscoll -time will tell ,the kerry game wasnt a great test.
Great see brian there,dan and vaughan and maguire on development panel
.
Cadogan is on the fringes ,but huriling is ist priority this year

I didnt think sean white get ahead the half back line ,so much ahead him a few wks ago but as I posted saturday ,they were watching him,and management and players were just amazed by he man match saturday.That game convinced them


Its a strong panel..Next step is get midfield sorted.
They have a clear stragtey ,i very impressed with there own kickouts.Two main ploys .And they have faith in ken ,what I saw the weekend .

My worry is of opponents kick outs.


Personally I wouldnt have hayes or andrew there .Colm should start ahead him.

Sugrue was likey to be there and he is raw ,but a rough diamond.
Dan is a real talent ,great left peg.
We have left and right foot forwards and both.


Panel is good.Well done.

Dualism and midfield and two other concerns id have from what I saw .
Sort them and were great shape.
Managenent must read a game in flow.What management should do ,is watch every game football they can ,other teams ,get old matches ,turn of commentary ,and say what would I do here etc .
They have lessons learn also .
As I said win munster ,and get to semifinal,be comptetive ,and im happy.

That must be the minium standard,like man utd won a charity shield ,didnt expect win rest had get to 4th.failed and heads rolled.


Corks mcgrath cup was nice but its not enough judge them.
If we dont get a munster win and have a bad semi ,Managament must be asked questions.
This isnt limerick ,its fair to do that year one .
A mininum target must be set .
Anything less is a failure ,we do above I will back the management to a hilt .Man utd too big a club not to have a mininum standard,Cork are the Same in gaa.


All uproar in media bout united being unprofessional with dealing moyles.Id say majority die hard fans dont give a monkey ,as they realise he had enough time.


Sky sports want a tragic management story they should go to the Limerick hurling .Now thats a real tragedy .


My apoliges Orizo ,but Lawton still was awful two leagaue games and has went back last year form.
Michael sul was meant be flying cit again.Lawton went missing in two game,no appetite for work.
Michael sul has that in every game .Get a start v laois ,taken of,lawton had two starts and not up to it in truth.And I was a fan ,but he showed nothing against tipp,and that suited him .


The door isnt closed with those lads phrase in football is just like breaking up your girlfirend,hey we still be friends,its words and is said to be said as the right thing at that time ,in reality doesnt work like that at times,contact is distanced.


Mcloughlin,laoire ,etc it is .Mcloughlin will make the junior ,and so will laoire .
Kevin o dricco the same.
Rory sullivan is the exception if injuries clear up ,however deane,maguire and dinneen be established next year .It is harsh,bv we must be realistic gary ,the door is closed for them.
Alan sheehan,canty the same ,from the orignial panel .


A poster tried to convince me sheehan was up to cork in october,i said it then no where near it.Couldnt make league panel .

Gary Neville

I'd agree with what you've posted there TTM.

Cadogan has played a few games at Senior for Cork Hurlers and hasn't featured with the Senior Footballers yet so it's understandable if hurling will take priority - however, I'd guess that he will have exactly the same training schedule as AW, Eoin and Damian. It's going to get very tricky if the Hurlers lose to Waterford because they should have very little to fear from other qualifiers -so it would be a serious amount of games - totally interrupt the Football Preparations.

What did you make of the dropping of Alan Cronin, TTM ? He is a very talented footballer and totally dedicated. I thought that he could do a job on player like O Donoughue and O Brien of Kerry. These fellas can turn taller opponents and once they gat a run on goal, they cause big problems.

9 of our U21's involved and Kiely can't be far away - that's unreal and a serious committment to develop the best of our younf players. So far I've been very impressed by this management team but the real season starts now.

Archer3083

What does it mean exactly when they name a player as a development player? I'm guessing it just means they're young and a bit raw but still have every chance of making the starting 15 on any given day. I'd really like to see Cadogan and Maguire start a Munster semi-final game, or maybe even be in contention for a Munster final place. I think both have more than shown they're good enough. They lack experience, etc, but if you're good enough, you're old enough!

Horse84

http://www.gaacork.ie/news/313929/Pairc_Ui_Chaoimh_Planning_Permission_Granted

zetecescort

Is it a done deal so or do the NIMBYs still have a chance to appeal?

sean mac

Archer3083 wrote: »

What does it mean exactly when they name a player as a development player? I'm guessing it just means they're young and a bit raw but still have every chance of making the starting 15 on any given day. I'd really like to see Cadogan and Maguire start a Munster semi-final game, or maybe even be in contention for a Munster final place. I think both have more than shown they're good enough. They lack experience, etc, but if you're good enough, you're old enough!

They have done it to give themselves the flexibility of having a large panel for the rest of the summer. They want quality a vs b games with players playing for places as opposed to having to draft in palyers from u21 or junior panels who are off the pace, make no mistake the 'developing' players outside of cadogan are on the panel

corkrobinhood

Good panel,I remain to be convinced by Galvin from Ballincollig,time will tell I suppose.

Good to see some decent options in midfield,picking the right players now is the next question!

I would say that management were looking at Sean White long before the weekend,he was very good in Tralee against Kerry,did his job against Limerick,but was outstanding against Tipp in the Pairc that night,had to be in there,along with Maguire.

Last chance saloon I feel for Barry O Driscoll,otherwise Cadogan and Mac Eoin are more than capable of taking that place.

Gary Neville

corkrobinhood wrote: »

Good panel,I remain to be convinced by Galvin from Ballincollig,time will tell I suppose.

Good to see some decent options in midfield,picking the right players now is the next question!

I would say that management were looking at Sean White long before the weekend,he was very good in Tralee against Kerry,did his job against Limerick,but was outstanding against Tipp in the Pairc that night,had to be in there,along with Maguire.

Last chance saloon I feel for Barry O Driscoll,otherwise Cadogan and Mac Eoin are more than capable of taking that place.

I wouldn't think there's any difference between the 28man full panel and 8 man development panel - Vaughan was listed in the NFL panel but has been injured for the last 6 weeks so couldn't impress at U21. I can't see how Kevin Crowley should be the only U21 on the full panel.

Barry showed huge appetite in the last 2 league games and was typically unlucky to break his thumb in Tralee. I'd see him more as a HF than corner so I don't think Dan and Cads are really competing with him.


I hope this Development Players thing will be a feature of Cubby's time as manager - It's a great idea to bring on players although with 36 players - it's going to be impossible to give many of the lads any game time.

corkrobinhood

Gary Neville wrote: »

Barry showed huge appetite in the last 2 league games and was typically unlucky to break his thumb in Tralee. I'd see him more as a HF than corner so I don't think Dan and Cads are really competing with him.

He did indeed,I was at both of them,infact I think I praised him at the time,but bearing in mind the game against Kerry was a terrible mismatch,an A vs B training game would have shown more spirit! Very easy to look good in a game like that when the challenges aernt coming thick and fast. Also appetite is no substitute for good play,Andrew O Sullivan is the same,ferocious work rate but very often no end product. Barry has a good workrate at best,but 8 out of 10 times no end product.

I wouldnt have him on the half forward line unless as an impact sub for 15mins at best.

My reference to Cadogan and Dan was more so taking a squad place over someone who can offer the team alot more.

keep going

Wouldnt it be nice to see a foward line of hurley , mceoin and cadogan sometime

thinkstoomuch1

White had two good games kerry and tipp,that were great to judge,however have no doubt,and its what I heard that game saturday in u21,from 0 to 60,away from home,he was monstrumental awesome.When the need was greatest he was superb.

Ephie fitzgearld had huge time for him at minor.
He is just 19,two more years at u21,with Crowley it shows how strong were at half back next year at u21.

Those developmental lads are as Sean said there create a panel,real depth that everyone pushes for a place and likes o dricscoll ,mac eoin,sugrue,white ,vaughan,dorman,cadogan. ,are lads that have to be in the enviroment now ,so they can develop and grow but also likes clancy-cahalane,loughrey ,butcher,o driscolls etc ,if they arent doing it ,the vable young pretenders,as above are real contenders and Real competiton drives perfection.It increases Hunger,Want,Desire ,and intensity .You dont have intensity in training ,your pissing against the wind.


Thats what I call a panel ,not names but real real depth.Managenement don't win all ireland in 3 years,there is no excuses,absoultey none .The panel is there.


The one worry id have is there is an over reliance on half backs ,in theres around 8 with the panel ,with just 4 specalist corner backs as you take it cadogan is at 3.
Shieldsy,galvin and jamie sul are specalist corner backs .3 isnt much cover ,when cadogan due to hurling(dualism unlikey be confronted)could be injured we have step up jamie or shields to cover that with galvin then starting.


Crowley could be cover at 4,however ,my great fear is the non acceptance that corner back is a specalist poisition yet they seen happy to play half backs there .

What I saw in the weeknd in match ups ,its clear another half back could be in the corner .And it wasnt clancy .



Thats a worry .A corner back is a defined role,temaparment ,focus,instinct is complety different than at 3 than a 5.Im not sure lessons by management have been realised here,and we have a full back and one of the finest half backs in management ,so this is an expectation that this set up should and must realise.Bar Crowley,rest our half backs arent corner backs.
Shields was our exception to that rule.


Thats why cronin ,omision is one I dont agree with it .He I said in october ,had form 2012,brillant ,but 2013 form wasnt great .However he did show form league and I would have the lad there as hes fast ,and tenacious .However again , he is a classic example too talented has hinderd him ,in that he is a corner back ,half back with this set up and a 11 with ucc.
To be fair lad ,he doesnt know to what to do at times,and I dont blame him.


He can get in the panel again however in time ,but he must tell corkery and nemo management etc ,he wants to play and will be only be a 4 ,and stick to that task ,and same at other codes or he is the man that is going to suffer.
I use keith earls as example in munster.Classic prime example,that at times versalty can be a course.


From wing to full back to centre ,he is now as wing,but clearly no where near player,could be.Still caught between two stools ,when he gets the ball ,unsure to run for the line or pass.


Cronin is the same ,not sure to stay man mark the forward or create and attack.Mindset is hes problem,not talent, and every player will play any poistion hes asked,he however has to be defiant as he is up to intercounty but must stick to one aera,master it and not be a jack of all trades

I dont want. ALAN cadogan starting football gary .As yes he has talent ,but jesus we dont want brother at 3,cahahalane at 7 ,walsh at 8 and alan at 13,as in all but one aera field we have lads that play hurling.Dualism cripple both.And we have it in 3/4 of the field.Again lads curb the emotion.Yes cadogan was awesome Saturday ,and goal was up there Joe Kavnagh goal in 93 for indvidual brillance,Waltzing Matilda style .However he can't realistcally be that majestic in both codes.He is only human at the end of the day.

Must stick one code .He is a fine hurler and with two young stars not with hurling ,one again believed jbm trying get him join up ,and a severe lack real quailty in subs ,and uncertainty how Paudie fares ,Cads is vital to hurling.

Football he is superb ,club player year ,young munster player u21,but for shambloic ref last week ,be Cadbury u21 player year join ,colm and gould ,as third cork winner ,he is surplus requirements as top quailty men are ahead him imo.
We dont want too many forwards either ,like a diet everything in moderation ,too much of a good thing isnt good.



Same here,as we haven two many forwards ,some will be lost translation and management wont settle on a pick.Must have depth but 12 forwards imo is fine .We dont have the need for Cadogan in football,when hes comprised with dual code.



The weekend was great cork in many aeras,i had however a few concerns .
Without going in to abc etc,as dont want say much bout training camp ,however I have no doubt some know cork were there as a kerry man was in that vicinity and cian o neill has links there .


id say ,let me put it this way Gary (your man united ,i take it)Roy Keane wouldnt been be happy with certain things ,imo .
Location was perfect and ptich all credit due ,at the end of the day was top quailty .

I saw another club coach from hurling up watching cork ,and there was a few people was a few watching them ,even a few cork men ,.
I recognised the club man ,and asked him hes view ,and he said drills were very good and pleased with a lot but in certain things expected more like me .Again just opinions .Time will tell.Management have time to get it right.

The team imo is about 13 certain starters.


Jury is still out for me.A lot of postives but I have a few real concerns.
People ?? Dineen ,inclusion ,but what I saw in training ,he fully merits it,flying ,like a duck in water ,if he had 6 months behind him ,andrew wouldnt be there imo,as it be impossible not to pick Sean .
And Gould or Dinneen be the main men with Deane .


I back management 100 per cent in Sean on the panel .A fine athlete ,has a real presence .Weather is good ,so hes cows are out in grass ,so that should help hes workload at home.Farming is great for sportsmen ,as like Timmy mac,and John Galvin ,John Hayes they have a natural fitness and are hardy mean .And they have a real,real work ethic and are men for all weather and used to pressure.John power kilkenny the same .

Deane looked good.

Robin,i feel,and share your concern is galvin up to it??i say he is.I if wrong I will say it .He is fast,brave,tough ,and tenacious and Hungry.

What you will agree with me is he is much much better than mcloughlin and had to be on the panel

Id agree Robin totally ,appettie is a must ,but is no subusite for good play .Barry o driscoll id have but when I done my panel ,i said ,give him a 1 month probabtion ,and shape up or ship out.He has been unlucky with injuries .


I gary wouldnt agree he is a half forward.He is a full forward or corner or nothing.
He isnt like cadogan or hodnett ,that you can play at corner and half forward.



Final word to clonKality,known for having intercounty teams train at there awesome complex ,and dip in sea after ,they have two lads cork now on the panel,great for them to be recogoised on the field as well as off it .

They Would have had a lad on minor team but for injury ,and ross mannix imo should also be there .


There was clonakity man cork team years ago ,played rubgy highfield ten years ago or less ,around.cant remember hes name .
Anyone ??? Know who I mean.HE was a big player,forward and he wasnt afraid to mix it -and got sent off I think in a game league or mcgqath cup.Wasnt up to senior .

Also clonakilty had conor mcnanus ,won 2009 mcgrath cup cork ,and played senior for Donegal in the mckenna cup last year .Counihan should used him to break down the blanket .Wouldnt be suited to the modern game,a fine player in he own right though.

Good the lads are on the radar.Clon Doing okay in duhallow u21 tournament is good also as it helped White for example.


As for Pairc,after delays it seems progress is being made,however I say there is a possibily of high court appeals I presume ??if the people against it want to appeal.
Appeals always seem likey in these cases.

I still hold my judgement til its built,as there is bound to be drama with it ,and 67m for it,must vindicate that crazy cost .My mouth waters in anticpation ...


In relation to White making it ,just year out of minor,i do believe Eoghan Kinery in Hurling could do likewise next year hurling and be training them .Extendened panel id have the lad there if he keeps progress up .

The only problem is u21 hurling is in summer so unlike the football in the spring,he wont have a stage to showcase hes talents however I expect lad to have big year with Killeagh ,and was senior last year.A real real talent ..
Has it all,power,pace,goal scoring,great hand,fast striking ,athletricm,and power and can play at half forward or full.Is brave and mixes it.
And a fine free taker,shows techinque is good .

Forthright

@Thinkstoomuch

That Clonakilty player isn't Conrad Murphy by any chance ? Either way he was some talent underage. Probably the most talented player Clon has ever produced and was awesome in 2000 as a minor for Cork. Injuries pretty much ruined his I.C career.

Clon are producing some great players. Leahy was an unused member of this year's u21 team as well, a fine player. They also won the Premier 2 County hurling at Minor last year against Erins Own which was a great win for them. I would expect them to be playing above Junior hurling in the coming years. The facilities are a credit to them.

thinkstoomuch1

Forthright wrote: »

@Thinkstoomuch

That Clonakilty player isn't Conrad Murphy by any chance ? Either way he was some talent underage. Probably the most talented player Clon has ever produced and was awesome in 2000 as a minor for Cork. Injuries pretty much ruined his I.C career.

Clon are producing some great players. Leahy was an unused member of this year's u21 team as well, a fine player. They also won the Premier 2 County hurling at Minor last year against Erins Own which was a great win for them. I would expect them to be playing above Junior hurling in the coming years. The facilities are a credit to them.

No forthright thanks a mil do

I forogot bout him til you said it

A fine player he was


Lad I cant think of name was bout 28 or older
And got a few games
Was physical player

thinkstoomuch1

Terry dillion ,is the player ,clonakily man played rubgy highfield,like shea fahy and the rock also in the past


Few games under tomkins

Father was kevin ,a kerryman that played for cork

Horse84

Going to feckin miss that challenge match sat night with family stuff. Can't be helped. Any updates during the match would be appreciated. Is jimmy going naming a team beforehand? I want to go as much to see the state of limerick after the week as to see ourselves.

Gary Neville

TTM - I understand what you are saying about A Cadogan. I prefer to watch hurling but I know that Frank has undermined our potential with neglect of underage, poor managerial appointments and in-fighting. I think the footballers are more likely to win an AI in the next few years due to the talent coming through. I can't see us win Munster let alone Liam Mac and I'd say that dual players will realise that football represents a better chance of an AI medal. Alan could be the ace in the pack, off the bench later in the year - who knows.

I agree with you about A Cronin and it's very hard for management to have to cut guys like him and Kevin O Driscoll. However, I'm pleasantly surprised that the CB has allowed 36 players to remain involved - some expense with a 70M spend in the pipeline.

Great to hear about Sean Dineen - some effort on his part - must be hard to get someone to milk cows twice a day for 3 days - he'll also need a lot of help on training evenings. If he gets to IC level, it will be a real bonus. Well done to Cubby but I'm still surprised that Ray Carey didn't come back - did u hear anything on that ?

Players are back with the clubs for 3 weeks now but I'm sure they have very intense programs to follow. They'll have the Kildare game in between and it's back to IC for the Meath game and into full tilt for a month to prepare for Semi against Tipp (probably) - the team might do another training camp for the bank holiday week-end at the start of June.

The Tipp v Clare Div 4 league final will be very interesting - Tipps team in today's Examiner - only O Brien, Fahey & Quinlivan from their U21's - no Kennedy, O Riordan, McGrath.

premierstone

Gary Neville wrote: »

The Tipp v Clare Div 4 league final will be very interesting - Tipps team in today's Examiner - only O Brien, Fahey & Quinlivan from their U21's - no Kennedy, O Riordan, McGrath.

Kennedy and McGrath part of the Hurling panel and O'Riordan doing the Leaving Cert.

Gary Neville

premierstone wrote: »

Kennedy and McGrath part of the Hurling panel and O'Riordan doing the Leaving Cert.

Thanks for that Premierstone. I was very impressed with these 3 in the U21 Munster Final - they would walk on most teams. I suppose O Riordan will start later on. Do you expect him to head to Oz?

Any idea whether Kennedy and McGrath decided themselves to concentrate on Hurling or is that O Shea won't facilitate dual players ?

Still looks a strong Tipp side but Clare had a good league and with Paudie Kissane involved they will be well prepared.

Some might see this as being in the wrong thread but Tipp are very likely to oppose Cork in the Munster Semi so I'm keeping a keen eye on their progress (as I'm sure is Cubby)

premierstone

Gary Neville wrote: »

Thanks for that Premierstone. I was very impressed with these 3 in the U21 Munster Final - they would walk on most teams. I suppose O Riordan will start later on. Do you expect him to head to Oz?

Any idea whether Kennedy and McGrath decided themselves to concentrate on Hurling or is that O Shea won't facilitate dual players ?

Still looks a strong Tipp side but Clare had a good league and with Paudie Kissane involved they will be well prepared.

Some might see this as being in the wrong thread but Tipp are very likely to oppose Cork in the Munster Semi so I'm keeping a keen eye on their progress (as I'm sure is Cubby)

No both Kennedy and McGrath have been involved intermittingly with the footballers at times but they were both away with the Hurlers all week on a training week in Clonea so I guess that ruled them out for Sunday.

Dual players was never really a problem for Tipp because with teh obvious exception of Declan Browne anyone that was ever good enough to make the hurling choose that over the football, it will be interesting to see what develops with this new group of talented youngsters as nearly all of them have been dual stars at minor and U21.

Riordan will go to Austrailia if that is what he wants, if you know what I mean, he is certain to receive an off and has been courted by AFL scoutys for nearly 3years at this stage, he will also be part of the Tipp hurling panel if he so chooses, so it will be intersting to see how it develops.