Cork GAA Discussion Thread

The White Feather

btownboy wrote: »

Delighted to hear it is in the Pairc.

Yes me too! It was never going to be switched anyway.It really was a non issue

rebs23

Great news. Our chance to say goodbye.

Amprodude

Great. Now bring in the Limerick men.

Horse84

Mark Ellis's injury more severe than first thought. He's now a major doubt for the Munster final. I very much doubt that's management playing games. That's a blow to the defence without a doubt

zetecescort

Great win for the Intermediate hurlers tonight, hopefully the minors can keep the good results going tomorrow

btownboy

Limerick chairman Oliver Mann has slammed the Munster Council’s decision to stage the provincial hurling decider at Páirc Uí Chaoimh on July 13.

Though previously stating the Shannonsiders had no reservations travelling to Leeside, Mann yesterday revealed Limerick GAA chiefs had lobbied the Munster Council not to fix the game at the Cork venue.

The Limerick chairman said the decision to fix the game at Páirc Uí Chaoimh will deprive thousands of supporters the opportunity to attend the showpiece event.

The stadium’s current capacity is 32,168, with Munster Council chief executive Simon Moroney confirming that figure is subject to change pending the completion of remedial work at the ground.

From the Examiner:

Moroney conceded “it is highly unlikely” tickets will be made available for public sale ahead of the contest.

Mann raged on Limerick’s Live95: “I am sorry for all the people who won’t be able to go see Limerick and Cork play.

“We spoke with the Munster Council about the capacity of Páirc Uí Chaoimh and I said it wasn’t sufficient for the anticipated attendance. This decision does not make sense.

“The supporter is the victim in all this. Our hurlers have no issue where the game is played. I do have an issue that so many supporters are being deprived of the opportunity of going to a Munster final. I don’t use that word loosely.

“They are not being deprived by Cork, they are being deprived by the Munster Council. They are the ultimate decision-makers.

btownboy

The Chairman of the Limerick CB is really showing himself up! Why can't he just let it go?

There was a home and away agreement in place. Cork wanted it honoured. They were within their rights and it is a fitting send-off to let Cork folk celebrate the many great days we have had there.

slingerz

Only once since 2005 have Limerick been involved in a championship game that exceeded the capacity of PUC

Gary Neville

It's disappointing when you make a deal with someone and they try and renege on it.

The Limerick CB seems to court controversy in many areas (I know about people in glass houses etc)

It's very rich to blame the Munster Council now when Limerick CB entered into this arrangement and have already got their lucrative home game.

It doesn't matter whether the capacity of PUC is 32000 or 42000 - Limerick entered the deal and were well aware that Cork had an old stadium with plans to rebuild. They've been to PUC often enough to appreciate that H & S concerns could have reduced capacity. If they had sought to place an express capacity condition in the H & A agreement, Cork would have likely said, take it or leave it.

Munster Council asked Cork if they would go to Thurles and Cork declined - Munster Council in spite of the financial loss, had the good grace to appreciate that a deal is a deal.

It's obvious that the decision won't be changed now so why go public and expose Limerick GAA as underhand, whingers who can't be trusted?

He's really imparting gems of wisdom :-

''32,000 is less than 35,000, it is less than 40,000 and it is less than 45,000 so obviously everybody’s proportionate allocation will drop compared with last year. If we had more tickets we would distribute more tickets. ''

Amprodude

Limerick deserve a good hammering after hearing the latest nonsense from Limerick County Board. I'm sorry but they do. There is a home and away agreement with both Counties and they are just throwing the toys out of the pram now because they cant get their way.

Browney7

slingerz wrote: »

Only once since 2005 have Limerick been involved in a championship game that exceeded the capacity of PUC

That's a lie to be fair. 2007 Munster Final v Waterford had a crowd of over 48000 and the first match we played against Tipp had an attendance of over 36,000 which is realistically around what will be let into PUC in three weeks. Munster final last year had over 42000.

Anyway it's not a fair comparison to compare first round games to Munster finals of which Limerick have been in 2 and both surpass PUCs capacity

Browney7

Amprodude wrote: »

Limerick deserve a good hammering after hearing the latest nonsense from Limerick County Board. I'm sorry but they do. There is a home and away agreement with both Counties and they are just throwing the toys out of the pram now because they cant get their way.

Your right there is a home and away agreement which looks like it was struck in 2001 (played in Thurles in 2000). Up until last year Cork had 2 home games in the Munster championship to Limericks one so Cork definitely owed Limerick last year. Spirit of the agreement would indeed be to go to Cork this time but neither side could have had any gripes if it didn't to be fair.

lukin

Amprodude wrote: »

Limerick deserve a good hammering after hearing the latest nonsense from Limerick County Board. I'm sorry but they do. There is a home and away agreement with both Counties and they are just throwing the toys out of the pram now because they cant get their way.

Nonsense. I am sure the players would like to have home advantage but now that it has been decided they will just want to get on with the game. Just because the County Board chairman has a moan it doesn't mean the players agree with him. I think it is a bit silly of him to complain. They were saying all along they would have no problem if the game was played at PUC. Now all of a sudden he doesn't like it.

Gary Neville

Browney7 wrote: »

Your right there is a home and away agreement which looks like it was struck in 2001 (played in Thurles in 2000). Up until last year Cork had 2 home games in the Munster championship to Limericks one so Cork definitely owed Limerick last year. Spirit of the agreement would indeed be to go to Cork this time but neither side could have had any gripes if it didn't to be fair.

What sort of gobbledy gook is this ? Have you been away in an Igloo in the North Pole for the last few weeks ?

There is a H & A agreement in place. The spirit or lack of it, in Limericks case has no relevance to the fact that the agreement is in place. There was no conditions in regard to capacity attached to the agreement. Munster Council recognised this fact and upheld the agreement obviously aware that an intercession now would set a very damaging precedent and might cost more than the lost revenue here, in the longer term. Limerick tried to renege on the deal and sought the assistence of the Munster Council. There is still some honour in some parts of Munster and the deal was upheld.

If you agree to milk my cows next Sunday provided I milk yours the Sunday after, You'll be rightly pissed off if you come up with some H & S issue with your milking parlour and refuse, next Monday.


I doubt that H & A's are put in place for anything like 13 year spans - the Cork v Tipp one finished the last time we played in Thurles and wasn't renewed before the league semi - Tipp refused a renewel then and some in Cork (me included) felt that they were not keeping to the spirit of what had been standard agreements for years. But Tipp stuck to the letter of the law and we entered a new arrangement and went there (twice in a row)

The good spirit amongst GAA counties is slipping as a win at all costs menatality now pervades but Limerick have gone to a new low IMO.

Mann and your Sec may not be concerned about honouring agreements but it's disappointing to see Limerick Fans support their actions. I wouldn't be pleased if Cork tried it on like this.

Browney7

Gary Neville wrote: »

What sort of gobbledy gook is this ? Have you been away in an Igloo in the North Pole for the last few weeks ?

There is a H & A agreement in place. The spirit or lack of it, in Limericks case has no relevance to the fact that the agreement is in place. There was no conditions in regard to capacity attached to the agreement. Munster Council recognised this fact and upheld the agreement obviously aware that an intercession now would set a very damaging precedent and might cost more than the lost revenue here, in the longer term. Limerick tried to renege on the deal and sought the assistence of the Munster Council. There is still some honour in some parts of Munster and the deal was upheld.

If you agree to milk my cows next Sunday provided I milk yours the Sunday after, You'll be rightly pissed off if you come up with some H & S issue with your milking parlour and refuse, next Monday.


I doubt that H & A's are put in place for anything like 13 year spans - the Cork v Tipp one finished the last time we played in Thurles and wasn't renewed before the league semi - Tipp refused a renewel then and some in Cork (me included) felt that they were not keeping to the spirit of what had been standard agreements for years. But Tipp stuck to the letter of the law and we entered a new arrangement and went there (twice in a row)

The good spirit amongst GAA counties is slipping as a win at all costs menatality now pervades but Limerick have gone to a new low IMO.

Mann and your Sec may not be concerned about honouring agreements but it's disappointing to see Limerick Fans support their actions. I wouldn't be pleased if Cork tried it on like this.

Seeing as you like cow analogies, If I milk your cows on the first sunday, you milk mine the next sunday , I milk yours the third Sunday and you milk mine the fourth Sunday its 2 - 2. Am I then compelled to milk yours the fifth?

Orizio

Browney7 wrote: »

Seeing as you like cow analogies, If I milk your cows on the first sunday, you milk mine the next sunday , I milk yours the third Sunday and you milk mine the fourth Sunday its 2 - 2. Am I then compelled to milk yours the fifth?

If you still have an agreement in place for each of you to milk the cows every second week, yes of course.

Browney7

Orizio wrote: »

If you still have an agreement in place for each of you to milk the cows every second week, yes of course.

Ah but if my parlour is better than yours and has 20 units but yours has 12?? Ah only messing. Off to Cork we go. Always a good day out.

As long as the Gaels in here get tickets we'll all be happy sure

pajoguy

At this stage the venue is fixed and its looking like 35000 max according to munster council chairman.
As a limerick fan its far from ideal that capacity is reduced but so be it.
The agreement is being stood by. Our chairman voiced concerns about capacity twice but did not have our delegate make a proposal at meeting therefore no vote took place.
The examiner yet again go on about how "mann raged" on limerick radio wednesday morning. That kind of sensationalism doesnt help. If I was a cork person reading that and not having heard the interview I would not be impressed either but he only expressed his disappointment for fans.
Believe you me its not an issue for the players or management.
Lets just put it to bed now and move in.

Gary Neville

lukin wrote: »

Nonsense. I am sure the players would like to have home advantage but now that it has been decided they will just want to get on with the game. Just because the County Board chairman has a moan it doesn't mean the players agree with him. I think it is a bit silly of him to complain. They were saying all along they would have no problem if the game was played at PUC. Now all of a sudden he doesn't like it.

Well, we didn't expect them to go on strike. They knew full well that they had home advantage last year and Cork would have it the next time they met.

'now that it's been decided' - you are presenting this as a decision by the Munster Council - the decision was already made by the competing counties and the Munster Council's role is to rubber stamp the venue.

It would require extraordinary circumstances for the MC to over-rule an agreement such as this. H & S matters must be taken into account in all fixtures but these have been satisified as was always likely - there's been no material change to PUC, in recent years.

Cork have suggested that they will implement improvements required by the H & S Officer to take capacity to c 37,000.

This was more than silly behaviour - it was a mean-spirited and cynical effort by Limerick GAA through their senior elected official to renege on a H & A arrangement after getting their home game.

If Limerick Players and Supporters want to disassociate themselves with this conduct then that's their choice.

D'Agger

Amprodude wrote: »

Limerick deserve a good hammering after hearing the latest nonsense from Limerick County Board. I'm sorry but they do. There is a home and away agreement with both Counties and they are just throwing the toys out of the pram now because they cant get their way.

Gary Neville wrote: »

There is still some honour in some parts of Munster and the deal was upheld.

The good spirit amongst GAA counties is slipping as a win at all costs menatality now pervades but Limerick have gone to a new low IMO.

Mann and your Sec may not be concerned about honouring agreements but it's disappointing to see Limerick Fans support their actions. I wouldn't be pleased if Cork tried it on like this.

Honestly, at this stage I think there's a mountain being made out of a mole hill here - the game's on in PUC, which I'm happy about seeing as my dad & uncle will be at it (hopefully, have to try get tickets now) but I won't be looking to join them in the stands, bringing about the early onset of arthritic knees! - As a spectacle, I'd prefer to watch it in the Gaelic Grounds.

The Limerick Chairman should have said nothing after the confirmation of venue, he doesn't speak for all Limerick fans & the general notion that Limerick are lower than low & trying to do Cork over, win at all costs etc., while possible, is, imo, hyperbole

Gary Neville

pajoguy wrote: »

At this stage the venue is fixed and its looking like 35000 max according to munster council chairman.
As a limerick fan its far from ideal that capacity is reduced but so be it.
The agreement is being stood by. Our chairman voiced concerns about capacity twice but did not have our delegate make a proposal at meeting therefore no vote took place.
The examiner yet again go on about how "mann raged" on limerick radio wednesday morning. That kind of sensationalism doesnt help. If I was a cork person reading that and not having heard the interview I would not be impressed either but he only expressed his disappointment for fans.
Believe you me its not an issue for the players or management.
Lets just put it to bed now and move in.

Well, that's big of 'em. They had home advantage last year, how could they possibly have an issue with coming to Cork this year ?

MC asked Cork to go to Thurles, they declined and that was the end of the matter. How could Limerick propose a vote on an agreement when then had been one of the 2 parties to it ? He's Oliver Mann and not Homer Simpson AFAIK.

They tried an underhand tactic of complaining about reduced capacity, they lobied MC but drew a blank.

Limerick CB and by extension, Limerick GAA have not been presented in a good light but hey, what's new ?

pajoguy

Gary Neville wrote: »

Well, that's big of 'em. They had home advantage last year, how could they possibly have an issue with coming to Cork this year ?

MC asked Cork to go to Thurles, they declined and that was the end of the matter. How could Limerick propose a vote on an agreement when then had been one of the 2 parties to it ? He's Oliver Mann and not Homer Simpson AFAIK.

They tried an underhand tactic of complaining about reduced capacity, they lobied MC but drew a blank.

Limerick CB and by extension, Limerick GAA have not been presented in a good light but hey, what's new ?

Underhand??? You should work for the examiner!!!

Gary Neville

D'Agger wrote: »

Honestly, at this stage I think there's a mountain being made out of a mole hill here - the game's on in PUC, which I'm happy about seeing as my dad & uncle will be at it (hopefully, have to try get tickets now) but I won't be looking to join them in the stands, bringing about the early onset of arthritic knees! - As a spectacle, I'd prefer to watch it in the Gaelic Grounds.

The Limerick Chairman should have said nothing after the confirmation of venue, he doesn't speak for all Limerick fans & the general notion that Limerick are lower than low & trying to do Cork over, win at all costs etc., while possible, is, imo, hyperbole

No Hyperbole - If you make an agreement, you honour it. If you try to welch on it, you look bad and will get labelled - simple as. You can't have it both ways.

Gary Neville

pajoguy wrote: »

Underhand??? You should work for the examiner!!!

As Davey would say - Believe me, underhand is one of the mildest terms, I've heard applied to Mr. Mann's conduct - so it is.

Volvic12

I would always buy the examiner for its sport coverage, especially local games, but the sensationalism I've read over the last few days is very poor regarding Limerick. Complete Cork bias and I would never like to see such bias in what is supposed to be a national paper.
Really have to re-think which paper I purchase. Seems to be going back to its roots of being a Cork paper!

pajoguy

Volvic12 wrote: »

I would always buy the examiner for its sport coverage, especially local games, but the sensationalism I've read over the last few days is very poor regarding Limerick. Complete Cork bias and I would never like to see such bias in what is supposed to be a national paper.
Really have to re-think which paper I purchase. Seems to be going back to its roots of being a Cork paper!

it has been very disappointing as its coverage I feel is very good. I am not saying limerick county board are totally blameless in this but examiner has painted a totally different picture.

D'Agger

Gary Neville wrote: »

No Hyperbole - If you make an agreement, you honour it. If you try to welch on it, you look bad and will get labelled - simple as. You can't have it both ways.

When was the agreement made though, 12 months ago? Prior to the news that PUC is going to be redeveloped which is of course badly needed - so why not play in Limerick? I don't think it's as absurd as it's being made out to be

I don't blame them for wanting it reviewed, I do take umbrage to the Chairmans comments since though - he should have let it lie.

But overall, hoping a team get a hiding based on the comments of one man, labelling a county as dishonorable & trying to win at all costs is a tad over the top I think.

Meursault

Volvic12 wrote: »

I would always buy the examiner for its sport coverage, especially local games, but the sensationalism I've read over the last few days is very poor regarding Limerick. Complete Cork bias and I would never like to see such bias in what is supposed to be a national paper.
Really have to re-think which paper I purchase. Seems to be going back to its roots of being a Cork paper!

The sports editor for the Examiner is from Kerry, so it is hardly biased in favour of Cork

Secondly, the Limerick chairman was telling anyone who would listen that he had no objections to PUC, yet when it was confirmed as the venue he was straight on to the radio venting his anger and frustrations. As a representative of Limerick GAA, it is poor form, and it doesnt reflect well.

Limerick GAA shouldn't have agreed to the home/away fixtures if they werent serious about it.

Volvic12

Meursault wrote: »

The sports editor for the Examiner is from Kerry, so it is hardly biased in favour of Cork

Secondly, the Limerick chairman was telling anyone who would listen that he had no objections to PUC, yet when it was confirmed as the venue he was straight on to the radio venting his anger and frustrations. As a representative of Limerick GAA, it is poor form, and it doesnt reflect well.

Limerick GAA shouldn't have agreed to the home/away fixtures if they werent serious about it.

He may be from Kerry but has obviously identified Cork people as his main target audience. Read the articles again. Everyone one of them throws in sly digs against Limerick. IMO it's very poor journalism and what you want from a paper is balance. It will definitely have me question whether I will purchase it anymore. I'm sure others from Limerick feel the same.

slingerz

Browney7 wrote: »

Ah but if my parlour is better than yours and has 20 units but yours has 12?? Ah only messing. Off to Cork we go. Always a good day out.

As long as the Gaels in here get tickets we'll all be happy sure

If you are a dedicated follower you are likely to have a season ticket meaning you would get a ticket for this game.

If you are involved with your local club then they are likely to sort out a ticket for you.

I am skeptical as to whether genuine fans will miss the game due to capacity concerns