Cork GAA Discussion Thread

SeaFields

Looks like game over after twenty minutes for the u21s. 13 points down.

keane2097

Live updates for anyone away from the tele (sorry I was a bit late starting )

http://livegaelic.com/scores/

ShamoBuc

1-15 v 0-05 at ht. Somewhat expected but I think they will do a lot better in the second half.

lukin

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Kerry

That's if Kerry beat Galway of course. If they do then I hope we lose to Mayo.
I couldn't bear another hammering at the hands of those <insert profanity here>. Sorry but that's just the way I feel.

zetecescort

men against boys in Ennis. Our lads getting eased off the ball too easily. Clare playing like a team that know what they're doing, have had 6 or 7 championship games the last few years to work on how they play aswell as senior games on top of that. very impressive play from them.

goal from Anthoy Spillane 1-20 to 1-9 42 min

zetecescort

wonder will there be a front page photo of the Fuhrer and Keneally in tomorrows Examiner?

1-28 to 1-12 60 min

ShamoBuc

1-28 v 1-13. Savage performance by Clare! Well deserved. Hard not to see them winning the All Ireland especially now that their Seniors won't be retaining Liam!!

Deco99

What time we expecting the team to be named for sunday? Panel?

Deco99

Deco99 wrote: »

What time we expecting the team to be named for sunday? Panel?

Tomorrow after training I found out

Archer3083

lukin wrote: »

That's if Kerry beat Galway of course. If they do then I hope we lose to Mayo.
I couldn't bear another hammering at the hands of those <insert profanity here>. Sorry but that's just the way I feel.

I don't think Cork will get past Mayo on Sunday, too many things would have to go right for Cork, and to be fair to Mayo, they've become a very professional outfit under James Horan, so alot would have to go wrong with Mayo for Cork to get a victory. But I honestly believe that Kerry are no where near as good as Cork made them look in the Munster final. If Cork got past Mayo, I don't think Kerry would hammer them in an All-Ireland semi-final. To be fair to Cork this year, they've beaten Kerry in a McGrath Cup final, and in the league in Tralee. Kerry did not set up defensively for the game in Tralee and the Cork forwards ran riot. If Cork were to meet Kerry again, set up defensively and nullify the threat of Kerry's inside full forward line, then the game would most likely be a lot tighter, but having said that Kerry are team that you'd have to fancy against Cork in Croke park.

Amprodude

Archer3083 wrote: »

I don't think Cork will get past Mayo on Sunday, too many things would have to go right for Cork, and to be fair to Mayo, they've become a very professional outfit under James Horan, so alot would have to go wrong with Mayo for Cork to get a victory. But I honestly believe that Kerry are no where near as good as Cork made them look in the Munster final. If Cork got past Mayo, I don't think Kerry would hammer them in an All-Ireland semi-final. To be fair to Cork this year, they've beaten Kerry in a McGrath Cup final, and in the league in Tralee. Kerry did not set up defensively for the game in Tralee and the Cork forwards ran riot. If Cork were to meet Kerry again, set up defensively and nullify the threat of Kerry's inside full forward line, then the game would most likely be a lot tighter, but having said that Kerry are team that you'd have to fancy against Cork in Croke park.

If Kerrys subs bench lined out against the Cork team in Croke Park. They would still beat us there. What summed it up for me was 2009. We had the best team playing the best football until the final. We got a great lead and couldnt kick on. I said to myself after that game that we are never destined to beat Kerry in Croke Park. I don't think we will get past Mayo anyway so we are safe enough.

Hotfail.com

Archer3083 wrote: »

I don't think Cork will get past Mayo on Sunday, too many things would have to go right for Cork, and to be fair to Mayo, they've become a very professional outfit under James Horan, so alot would have to go wrong with Mayo for Cork to get a victory. But I honestly believe that Kerry are no where near as good as Cork made them look in the Munster final. If Cork got past Mayo, I don't think Kerry would hammer them in an All-Ireland semi-final. To be fair to Cork this year, they've beaten Kerry in a McGrath Cup final, and in the league in Tralee. Kerry did not set up defensively for the game in Tralee and the Cork forwards ran riot. If Cork were to meet Kerry again, set up defensively and nullify the threat of Kerry's inside full forward line, then the game would most likely be a lot tighter, but having said that Kerry are team that you'd have to fancy against Cork in Croke park.

I have an absolutely great feeling about the footballers this coming Sunday, don't ask me why.

With regards to your "Cork making Kerry looks so good" comments, I think that is really without question. EVERYTHING went wrong for Cork that day, and the blame for that lies partly with both the players and management imo.

Archer3083

Amprodude wrote: »

If Kerrys subs bench lined out against the Cork team in Croke Park. They would still beat us there. What summed it up for me was 2009. We had the best team playing the best football until the final. We got a great lead and couldnt kick on. I said to myself after that game that we are never destined to beat Kerry in Croke Park. I don't think we will get past Mayo anyway so we are safe enough.

Yeah, I agree. 2009 was a real kick in the teeth, especailly after beating Tyrone with 14 men for most of that game by 6 points. Colm O'Neill scored a brilliant goal, and Cork led that game by 1-3 to 0-1 point and still couldn't beat Kerry. Shocking!

I'd be happy with Cork putting up a decent performance against Mayo the next day. It's been a very bad year for Cork senior inter county football. Alot of things have gone wrong and are still wrong. I can't see Cork getting their act together and springing a surprise on everyone similar to what Kerry did in 2009 but it's not impossible. A decent performance against Mayo would at least end the year on a positive note. Even if the management doesn't deserve a break, the players badly deserve a positive end to the year!

Archer3083

Hotfail.com wrote: »

I have an absolutely great feeling about the footballers this coming Sunday, don't ask me why.

With regards to your "Cork making Kerry looks so good" comments, I think that is really without question. EVERYTHING went wrong for Cork that day, and the blame for that lies partly with both the players and management imo.

The eternal optimist in me would love to believe you're right. I'd love to see Cork dong well the next day against Mayo. And no matter what, I'm still going to cheer for them. I have no desire to see Cork lose to Mayo, and I don't believe that any fan should hope Cork lose the next day either to avoid a semi-final with Kerry or to free up the dual players for the rest of the year with the hurlers.

Amprodude

lukin wrote: »

That's if Kerry beat Galway of course. If they do then I hope we lose to Mayo.
I couldn't bear another hammering at the hands of those <insert profanity here>. Sorry but that's just the way I feel.

Kerry will beat Galway by 6+ points.

Amprodude

Should we be worried about the future of Cork hurling after the tanking that Clare gave our U-21 boys the last day. Underage success in Cork is turning into a famine that eventually transforms onto Senior Level. I know Clare are good but in Cork we always love our hurling and its an embarrassment when we get hockeyed off the field in that fashion.

Figsy32

Amprodude wrote: »

Should we be worried about the future of Cork hurling after the tanking that Clare gave our U-21 boys the last day. Underage success in Cork is turning into a famine that eventually transforms onto Senior Level. I know Clare are good but in Cork we always love our hurling and its an embarrassment when we get hockeyed off the field in that fashion.

Obviously not ideal, but once these teams keep producing players who'll make the step up I wouldn't be overly concerned. We've been struggling underage for a long time now yet we have a good young team at Senior atm.

Collins, Stephen Murphy, Spillane, Cormac Murphy, O'Shea and obviously Cadogan are nailed on to play for Cork seniors in the future. Others will flourish later as well. Not a bad haul to be fair.

seventh7

TTM will agree that Cork have oceans of talent coming through with the cream of the crop split between the u15 and u16 squads. The famine amy come to an end in the near future. They have oceans of skill pace and power I witnessed a recent game between the aforementiond squads and it was awesome. I will mention no names but all have been mentioned on this thread before. Mark my words the structure is now there to get them through.

Orizio

Figsy32 wrote: »

Obviously not ideal, but once these teams keep producing players who'll make the step up I wouldn't be overly concerned. We've been struggling underage for a long time now yet we have a good young team at Senior atm.

Collins, Stephen Murphy, Spillane, Cormac Murphy, O'Shea and obviously Cadogan are nailed on to play for Cork seniors in the future. Others will flourish later as well. Not a bad haul to be fair.

C. Murphy will probably get a couple of starts in the league next year. O'Shea has been on the squad for close to two years now and has only gotten five minutes here and there - not sure if management rate him that highly. Murphy and Anthony Spillane...who knows - S.Murphy is a natural midfielder, he has a lot of competition in that position. Colm Spillane was on the squad for two years and dropped off it.

Collins is the only one - bar Cadogan - that is really nailed on.

Figsy32

Orizio wrote: »

C. Murphy will probably get a couple of starts in the league next year. O'Shea has been on the squad for close to two years now and has only gotten five minutes here and there - not sure if management rate him that highly. Murphy and Anthony Spillane...who knows - S.Murphy is a natural midfielder, he has a lot of competition in that position. Colm Spillane was on the squad for two years and dropped off it.

Collins is the only one - bar Cadogan - that is really nailed on.

Nailed on might have been a strong term but they'll all be panellists/league starters in the future IMO.

I wouldn't be say the likes of O'Shea and Spillane not getting game time at this early age means they won't play in the future. Very difficult to break in at that age, especially when they have commitments elsewhere like Fitzgibbon. O'Shea's played plenty of league games to be fair. Spillane could be the long term answer at full back IMO.

Stephen Murphy will be a corner back in the future. I'd be shocked if he isn't. Maybe not for club but certainly county if he reaches that level. Playing there for Blackrock seniors the last 2 years and at minor when he was 16/17, he's outstanding. He does play out the field also but that's largely because he's too good at his own age to be 'wasted' in the corner. Long term corner back will be his position IMO, completely natural there.

sean mac

Amprodude wrote: »

If Kerrys subs bench lined out against the Cork team in Croke Park. They would still beat us there. What summed it up for me was 2009. We had the best team playing the best football until the final. We got a great lead and couldnt kick on. I said to myself after that game that we are never destined to beat Kerry in Croke Park. I don't think we will get past Mayo anyway so we are safe enough.

We wont get past mayo so this point is moot. However the Kerry team of 2009 was a different beast to the current set up which looked like a dream team after corks 'performance' over them in the munster final. Donegal or Dublin will beat them or mayo in the semi final.
Cork to be beaten by between 6-8 points sunday unfortunately.

thinkstoomuch1

That u21 game was a shambles as i feared and management picked a team that was not the best in cork and they have zero ability to read a game and the waterford win was a once off.

This was a real test and kenneally failed totally.Cork had no game plan or direction in the game.
Barry is not a full back and should  not have started their.
Sugre  should of started.
The midfield was not balanced.

Pat kenneally as hes four year record proved is a poor manager but the overated win against waterford,the absence of murphy and clare in ennis will give immunity from critisim from the county board.

There is great talent and superb work at underage as the great article in the echo yesterday but it is at times undermined by poor management that is rarely questioned at times.Tipp gave a performance and we should of done the same v clare yet people got carried away in the win in a challenge match weeks ago.


I dont agree that at u 21 it is just a case of producing players results are second nature as i believe old habits die hard and you produce players in a successful enviroment the transition is smooth to u21.

Of course there lost in translatiion if you have no top senior manager.Thankfully we do.When jbm goes is where we are in trouble.

My view is that top players irrespective of who is manger you will likely get a few that always make it from u21 to the senior.Like irrespective of what Cork did at.U21 Cadogan,is a senior.
colm spillane ,Cormac,Murphy,Rob o shea are around the senior,fringes.
Patrick collins is a certainy just a case of when.
Spillane did not make purely as he got injured.
Burke and stephen murphy have the talent but there is a lot of strong competion ahead of them.

The truly woeful terunre of Ger Fitzgerald produced Lehane,Egan,Joyce,O Farell,Walsh,had lads that made,senior.Those players came through any way.
These managers did not do anything to develop them a
In fact Cork not,winning and the majiority of the time gone after one game is not much good for devoping them and there is a live a.d plausible argument with a lot of,credence that our u21 shambles slowed the development of them.JBm had a core group that won in 97,98,99 Munster titles and two u21 titles and that helped Cork im 99.

Just producing players with no success at u21 is fine imo is a lazy excuse for failure.Diarmuid O Donovan rote a piece in the,Echo in May 2012 saying maybee minor management once it produced all ireland medailsts at senior within 12 years would mean that even if that team at minor was beaten in the ist round the Minor management was a success.Imo i dissagree.

What should be noted but Convientenely,is never mentioned that if this Senior,Cork team wins it 31st All Ireland since the u21 championship started around the early 1960,s it will become the first Cork team in that period to be all ireland senior champions without one single player in the Entire panel with an u21 all ireland medal.
A SHOCKING STATISTIC THAT,SHOWS THE FAMINE WE HAVE AT U21 and its No COINDENCE WE,HAVE,STRUGGLED AT SENIOR and no all ireland in 9 years.If you enter any,competition you should aim to win it.See the DESIRE AND INTENT Liam Hayes has in being Cork intermediate hurling manager,and,from day one they had a ravenous hunger to Win The All ireland and on August the 9th they will win the all ireland.

At all levels my point is one,weak manager,can undo all the good,work.A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.Our u21 football has been brillant yet the hurling is a shambles.

thinkstoomuch1

Thats a superb read and a lot of valid points but again they fail to question managers.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/07/31/hurling-committee-needed-revive-underage-hurling-cork/

And i think they got carried away with the waterford win.great read though credit due.

Rebel1977

Apart from Andrew O'Sullivan who else is missing from the squad from last weekend with the additions of Donnacha and John Hayes to the bench for sunday ?

zetecescort

1. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)
2. James Loughrey (Mallow)
3. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
4. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)
5. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s – Captain)
6. Thomas Clancy (Clonakilty)
7. Brian O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
8. Ian Maguire (St. Finbarr’s)
9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
10. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
11. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
12. Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
13. Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough)
14. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
15. Donal Óg Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa)




The Cork management have opted to make no changes to the starting fifteen ahead of the quarter-final. Donncha O'Connor returns to the squad following an injury lay-off, while John Hayes is also available having served a one-match ban following his sending off in the Munster Final. Kevin Crowley remains on the injury list.

Subs
16. David Hanrahan (Douglas)
17. Damien Cahalane (Castlehaven)
18. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)
19. Seán Kiely (Ballincollig)
20. Fintan Goold (Macroom)
21. Patrick Kelly (Ballincollig)
22. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)
23. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)
24. Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)
25. John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
26. Donncha O'Connor (Ballydesmond)


Sean Dineen, Cathal Vaughan, Tom Clancy and Andrew O Sullivan(gone before Sligo?) gone from the panel for some reason. Subs bench has 2 defenders and 6 forwards - bizzare.

thinkstoomuch1

1. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)
2. James Loughrey (Mallow)
3. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
4. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)
5. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s – Captain)
6. Thomas Clancy (Clonakilty)
7. Brian O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
8. Ian Maguire (St. Finbarr’s)
9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
10. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
11. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
12. Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
13. Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough)
14. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
15. Donal Óg Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa)
The Cork management have opted to make no changes to the starting fifteen ahead of the quarter-final. Donncha O'Connor returns to the squad following an injury lay-off, while John Hayes is also available having served a one-match ban following his sending off in the Munster Final. Kevin Crowley remains on the injury list.

Subs
16. David Hanrahan (Douglas)
17. Damien Cahalane (Castlehaven)
18. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)
19. Seán Kiely (Ballincollig)
20. Fintan Goold (Macroom)
21. Patrick Kelly (Ballincollig)
22. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)
23. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)
24. Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)
25. John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
26. Donncha O'Connor (Ballydesmond)



The managmemt are clutching at straws imo,blame the players,the fans and then the referree is mentioned and they pick a team based on a win against a poor sligo.

Like the u21 hurling and minor and senior fooball we have poor managers.that DONT LEARN FROM MISTAKES AND READ WINS AGAINST POOR TEAMS AT FACE VALUE.

NO paddy kelly is a joke and they dont get on.
Unless changes are made and fast.Cork could be blown away..mayo hit top form.
No dinnen on the panel yet john hayes makes it.What a joke.
I have a real fear for sunday.

thinkstoomuch1

There is likely if true what i heard a few may not commit next year.
This panel you would wonder is moral good.and a real belief in the management exists at all

sean mac

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

There is likely if true what i heard a few may not commit next year.
This panel you would wonder is moral good.and a real belief in the management exists at all

There is no morale in this camp and if mayo get a run on sunday they could run riot. Young kiely parachuted into the squad with dineen and tom clacny dropped altogether.
John hayes who have never done anything whatsoever at this level parachuted back into the squad over the once again dropped cathal vaugh is an absolute disgrace.
Two defenders and both poor in osullivan and cahalane. Maguire a fine prospect but not ready in anyway to start vs ayo.
Cuthbert has destroyed this squad with his selection methods which are all over the place.
Can anyone riddle me how sean dineen and tom Clancy who both came on vs Sligo on Saturday night can somehow be dropped from the SQUAD by Thursday?
A management team who treat players like crap and will reap what they sow on sunday evening.

Deco99

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

1. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)
2. James Loughrey (Mallow)
3. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
4. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)
5. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s – Captain)
6. Thomas Clancy (Clonakilty)
7. Brian O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
8. Ian Maguire (St. Finbarr’s)
9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
10. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
11. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
12. Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
13. Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough)
14. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
15. Donal Óg Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa)
The Cork management have opted to make no changes to the starting fifteen ahead of the quarter-final. Donncha O'Connor returns to the squad following an injury lay-off, while John Hayes is also available having served a one-match ban following his sending off in the Munster Final. Kevin Crowley remains on the injury list.

Subs
16. David Hanrahan (Douglas)
17. Damien Cahalane (Castlehaven)
18. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)
19. Seán Kiely (Ballincollig)
20. Fintan Goold (Macroom)
21. Patrick Kelly (Ballincollig)
22. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)
23. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)
24. Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)
25. John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
26. Donncha O'Connor (Ballydesmond)



The managment are clutching at straws imo,blame the players,the fans and then the referree is mentioned and they pick a team based on a win against a poor sligo.

Like the u21 hurling and minor and senior fooball we have poor managers.that DONT LEARN FROM MISTAKES AND READ WINS AGAINST POOR TEAMS AT FACE VALUE.

NO paddy kelly is a joke and they dont get on.
Unless changes are made and fast.Cork could be blown away..mayo hit top form.
No dinnen on the panel yet john hayes makes it.What a joke.
I have a real fear for sunday.

Will donncha likely have an involvement or likely to get 5 minutes at the end as a farewell. Presume he isnt retiring and according to reports from Duhallow game he's goin well but will this management push? My own feeling is we should have only one sweeper, preferably collins and another scoring forward. Not o'driscoll nemo, or gould so goulding or donncha imo. If you play defensive to hit on counter youre forwards have to be able to contribute on scoreboard

thinkstoomuch1

sean mac wrote: »

There is no morale in this camp and if mayo get a run on sunday they could run riot. Young kiely parachuted into the squad with dineen and tom clacny dropped altogether.
John hayes who have never done anything whatsoever at this level parachuted back into the squad over the once again dropped cathal vaugh is an absolute disgrace.
Two defenders and both poor in osullivan and cahalane. Maguire a fine prospect but not ready in anyway to start vs ayo.
Cuthbert has destroyed this squad with his selection methods which are all over the place.
Can anyone riddle me how sean dineen and tom Clancy who both came on vs Sligo on Saturday night can somehow be dropped from the SQUAD by Thursday?
A management team who treat players like crap and will reap what they sow on sunday evening.

Rarely.am i lost for words but i am truly am with the current set up.

Donnacha is a great servant and it will be interesting what he decides.