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http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/09/08/sars-douglas-course-final-place/
I like kilworth as a north cork club,but im glad they were beaten,as teddy maccarthy was coaching them.
I hope eire og who he also coaches are beaten by fermoy simply cause if they win a county he would be thrown in to any cork intercounty jobs contention,an aweseome player but as cork u 21,and laois sheer defiant refusal to play under him,hes overall poor sucess at many clubs shows he is poor in a managerial sense.If he won both county intermediates with two different clubs hes profile would be built up to no end by some.
Well travelled coching wise both in cork county and outside it but he has little success.He will have the awesome majestic never to be done again sole honour to win all irelands in senior hurling and senior football for cork or any other county imo in the history of the game in the same year.
As a player one of the greatest of all time ever in the country, as a player he owes cork nothing but he wont make a top top intercounty or even club coach imo.
Look at johnny keane,well travelled also in coaching many clubs but he has a trail of success after him with grenagh,kilbrin,and very likely ballyclough in a few weeks and the cork intermediate hurlers. He Won grenagh the first mid cork junior since 06 in 2012,then won a county last year with them.
When tom kenny rates you as a good coach,it says it all.
Great interview by Ned English, he said clyda believed they were good enough to win ,their a small club , small pick but every panel member contributes hugely,
Imo they are the Donegal of Cork club football,in compared to the big clubs with huge picks of players,tradition,limited talent but masterminded by a genuis like mcguiness and honesty was a word used repeateldy by jim last week ,Ned said it yesterday with hes panel.
They both have honesty within,tremendous work ethic,clyda wont panic and did not when they went four down ,crucially like donegal did not panic against dublin when.they went behind but stuck rigidly to their game plan.
Both teams started off playing total blanket years ago but over time evolved it slowly to a smooth counterattacking game at pace with defined purpose ,one eight from play against a blanket defence is impressive by clyda.
They would beat nemo or muskerry as their open fluent game is ideal for a defensive team to counter.Its a pity they are not.ö on the same side of the draw.
CastleHaven are different in as they beat duhallow in 2012,showed can beat englishs blanket as they can play blanket or fast football,and can win war of attritons or games of football,and it takes a special team like haven to be able to do it.
English is right the bishoptown game is 50/50 they can win when on paper bishoptown should be winning handy,but that wont happen.
Crowleys phsicslity could cause carey at full back problems under the high ball,and sam oakes is as lethal goal poacher as their is,but curb them,clyda imo have a real chance and have a better system as its reliant on total team cohesion rather than indivudal brillance,and as cork football and hurling know only two well,beating well refined economical ,effective systems is much harder to break down than teams,with just indivudal brillance as their main commodity.
Clyda will like donegal be written off by many,that suits them down to ground,not that they needed one,but have real cause now for focus,and bishosptown are no dublin,clyda are a donegal protseque in systematic economcial efficency,there unlike them only in having a lethal forward,but against bishoptown could very well survive.
Young sean o connell gave them.a real cutting edge with one three from play,it will be interesting to watch hes progress.
They have everything else,hunger,real dog and fight within ,composure,leadership,bravery,real values,unity,great defensive structure,A real family spirit,a mastermind as a manager,they are only short at present an intercounty star forward.
Unbeaten bow in over ten championship ganes the last two years
A team that lost three county final,they defied logic,and like Jesus rose again from the ashes and have new life now in their 15 disciples.To come back from that,requires real real hunger,want,desire,resolve.,very few teams at any level will do that,come back from adversity a fourth time.
The munster club run and all ireland run meant up to februry this team was going on a long hard run for a club team.
I thought how in may the lethargic,staleness be theironly problem but they blew skibbereen out of the water, with a manager that could never get a cork job unless he was brought in by someone,blew a team with an ex cork trainer involved in them with considerable ease.
The greater the challenge,they always find a way,like munster rubgy of old,roy keane values.
What tremendous asset to cork club football clyda roverd are.0 -
Kilkenny have played cork in 12 finals,won 8 to corks four,but have not won since 94,huge pressure on them,cork have no pressure.
I hope i read all week how kilkenny,are unbeatleable,etc etc,suit cork down to the ground
I wonder will eammon ryan give them a speech like cody will with kilkenny?0 -
My point exactly, The players at u16 Level cannot be that bad can they. I would personally pay to see Dan Gunning of Na Parsaigh play he is simply awesome, but not as an intercounty centre forward, Corner forward yes all day. Do you see the point.0
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http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/09/09/dual-stars/
a great article by mary white regards briege im a huge fan of briege ,cork ladies gaa,and mary white so i geuinely hand on heart mean no offence to them,but dualism in the ladies game and mens is very different.I take it she wasnt just refering to the womens game when saying dualism is going well.
Training is up there in relation to cork ladies football to the mens game,in fact what i saw in ul watching both train during the summer,our ladies imo were better organised,far more tempo overall than our men ,their training is superb to be honest,who bar mccarthy with the men,a lot of the other coaching imo left a lot to be desired but that was just with cork,but the competivness isnt the same imo in that realistically in most of the games bar a few ,the intensity is not the same in the level of opponent ,in mens football you have,mayo,dublins,donegals,kerry,tyrones,monaghans,armaghs,all soley focused one code ,cork have to match there prepartion if they met them.Hughely physical,intense games if we play them.
In hurling,kilkenny,clare,wexford,tipp,limerick ,all bring huge intensity to the games.Its impossible to play a football game on a saturday against any of those teams,then play a hurling game the day after in the mens code,or even a week after,and perform to the best of your ability in both codes imo.
I saw dublin ladies train in football ,it was very good but imo,i said it then not at corks standard at all imo as cork ladies actually train better than some mens teams.Yes that good.
Cork raised the bar so high ,winning 8 of the last 9,no other county can compete.In the mens game in that period far more competive with five different winners of the mens senior football.
Corks domination in one code makes it easier for dualism in the ladies.
In the mens game,Cork arent dominating in either code,at present were fighting for survival struggling to compete against the.big fish .
I have no doubt kilkenny and cork in the camoige final be savage intensity with superb skills to rival some men games but thats just one game.
The football final be intense ,in ladies,but the overall intensity in mens and womens championship overall in both codes is imo higher than the ladies, and is played at a much higher tempo and pace in not all but most games.
i geuinely dont want to take from the ladies at all at all,but to say dualism works for ladies ,means it can work for men ,when wexford,dublin,clare,cork this year clearly proved otherwise imo is incorrect
and way off the mark.
If she meant dualism can work in the ladies game she is correct and very hard to debate the splendid article but if she means it in relation to the mens game also,i would totally disagree.0 -
Talk is cork may have one retirment for next year in football,one player considering hes future.0
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Talk is cork may have one retirment for next year in football,one player considering hes future.
Donnacha O'Connor?0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Talk is cork may have one retirment for next year in football,one player considering hes future.
Amazed its only one palyer considering the bull**** they have had to put up with this year? A manager who treats players like primary school children and controls EVERYTHING surrounding the team- - very bad vibes coming out from what went on this year0 -
A player is considering,so nothing confirmed.
The worst think is nobody seems to rate the set up,from most club people you ask.
Newcestown,clyda kilshanning,ballyclough ,naomh aban duhallow ,haven have little faith.
Any city people here know how barrs,douglas,passage,nicks rate it for interest sake?0 -
Amazed its only one palyer considering the bull**** they have had to put up with this year? A manager who treats players like primary school children and controls EVERYTHING surrounding the team- - very bad vibes coming out from what went on this year
I'd say it's more to do with the age profile of the squad this year, with only Donnacha and Hayes over 30.
For the rest of the lads they know Cuthbert's term is only for 2 years, so I could see lads "sucking it up" in a sense next year, waiting until Cuthbert is gone rather than quitting the panel and having a black mark against their name. I wouldnt be surprised to see lads minding themselves in terms of injuries and the like next year - not taking risks with knocks or rushing back from any injuries.
What will be very interesting is what happens with the dualists - really wouldnt be surprised if one or two decided to concentrate solely on the hurling side of the house.0 -
Only two years???christ were blessed if so but guaranteed he will get a second term.Thats a given
Walsh said will do both,cahalane.may change wouldnt be certain,both cadogans and collins do both,
Dualism is.hear to stay.
John hayes is no loss to the panel,he should be dropped of it,a joke recalling him.0 -
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http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/fans-set-to-flock-to-camogie-finals-285691.html
Would love to make it but it clashes with the club hurling two quater finals
Two big games in u 21 hurling blackrock v aghallbouge ,rockies with cashman,murphy,two o keoffes,o callaghan,smith should win it .
Ian barry murphy as good as he is wont be enough to beat the rockies,and like a few of hes teammates played minor hurling in their win v ballinsgaig monday night,the u 21 game last week,3 games in a week,blackrock will be much fresher
After a huge shock beating blarney last week i hope they remain competive,but this is a serious rockies outfit.
Sars v newcestown,trever horgan is a huge loss to newcstown,sars should win ,murphy will watching
micheal macsweeney is a fine full back ,luke meade is just class but between valley rovers in hurling the week before,clyda last week,tonights game,kanturk coming up soon in hurling,a lot of games for them.
At any grade newecstown wont go,wont give up easy,a dogged resilent club.
They could push sarsfields but horgan could be a big loss.0 -
Páirc Uí Chaoimh redevelopment to proceed as planning appeal withdrawn
http://jrnl.ie/1664522
It doesn't mention what assurances or benefits the residents are getting. It's going ahead anyway in it's current flawed form and there's nobody going to stop it.0 -
zetecescort wrote: »Donnacha O'Connor?
Its not Donncha. Unless its a "retirement" ala Pierce O'Neills "retirement"
Did we find out who the retiree is?0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Only two years???christ were blessed if so but guaranteed he will get a second term.Thats a given
Walsh said will do both,cahalane.may change wouldnt be certain,both cadogans and collins do both,
Dualism is.hear to stay.
John hayes is no loss to the panel,he should be dropped of it,a joke recalling him.
I'd say there is no chance of even the Cork County Board giving him a 2nd term, unless there is an ungodly turn-around in the state of affairs in the squad, the odds of happening I would put at close to zero.
If there was talk of him getting another term next year, I would expect to hear a massive outcry from the footballing fraternity and a lot of stories of unrest in the camp being relayed to the press. After some of the stuff he has come out with in the media this year- the Newstalk debacle after the Kerry game and the blaming of the players, I would be shocked if he doesn't drop a couple of more clangers in the press before the time for renewal of his deal comes around.
I think for the time being there is an element of putting up with him for one more year and lads keeping their powder dry, but if the Cork County Board started making noises about extending his term I would expect hassle to kick off sharpish.0 -
Boom boom im not quite sure what your knowledge on the cork county board is but let me educate you,they dont do logic,or debate ,and dissaproval or bad publiicty is.water off a ducks backs to them,the more you try and change them the more they dig in to their beliefs.
Many examples
They were at the root of three strikes,poor player welfare ,internal poltics in management trying to control the players,etc
They picked gerald maccarthy for second term despite player disgust ,done the same with morgan said he couldnt pick he own selectors ,just to force him out,done it to morgan,mr cork football imo in 93 also .
They picked larry tompkins who had no track record yet despite oppositon then renewed if for seven years time and again.
They pushed through couinhan last term without any debate ,put in a new motion to do so.
They gave denis walsh the senior hurling job,no expierence when ger cunningham couldnt even get interview .
They gave ger fitzgerald a four year term,despite a truly appalling ist two years.
They appointed pat kenneally minor manager above sean o.brien,eddie murphy.etc,worse again after three apalling years in intermediate,then minor he gets the u 21 job,pushed through with no real debate.Not one word after the u 21 shambles in ennis.
He is a shoe in whenever jbm goes
They appointed donal.o.sullivan as minor manager when james mvcarthy or billy morgan would have been ideal.
On cork teams the last few years,always find a place for mick o.loughlin,john mortrell more recently seanie mcgrath despite much better candiates purely in management terms.
They refused to allow donal og grady be interim manager during the last strike,they only allowed jbm be u 21 manager if they picked the selectors he wisely declined.
They tried to change the league format as we got relegated.
They turn a blind eye to the match brawl between the glen and bishopstown,by giving both teams medioce bans despite severe larger bans for the two clubs in the minor match with valley rovers.
They refuse to answer or debate donal og cusacks views,but at a ccb meeting ignorantly and disgrscefully shut down the shamrocks delagte like they done to michael maguire last year when they decomcratically asked questions they simply did not want to answer
They drive ahead with a 68/70m stadium and as cusack said centre of mediocrity,despite many in cork questioning the cost of it and scale of it.
There is a list of many more examples imo where they dont do the popular,logolical decisions and once it is their way,thats all that matters.
But the real real beauty has got to be the appointment of cuthbhert,a non proven success at any level in cork ,over a man that was involved in around ten munster u 21 wins,four all ireland finals winning two and a.county senior club title with castlehaven,yet boom boom you try and convince people that unpopularism or opposition to cuthbhert getting another term if the board or cuthbhert wants it will stop it,you with the greatest respect are living in dream land and have no idea how things are run in cork gaa,and like last tuesday when push comes to shove the big clubs wont unite and oppose it,but simply business as usal imo.0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Boom boom im not quite sure what your knowledge on the cork county board is but let me educate you,they dont do logic,or debate ,and dissaproval or bad publiicty is.water off a ducks backs to them,the more you try and change them the more they dig in to their beliefs
Ah no - I know well how bad the county board are - I just reckon that if there is talk of Cuthbert being retained, assuming that Cork have another poor year next year (and based on everything I've heard I'm tipping them for relegation from Division 1 and a Championship even worse than this year) that things will kick off to such a massive extent that even the gobdaws in the Cork county board will have the sense not to re-appoint Cuthbert. The thing that I can see massively coming against Cuthbert is I can see him coming out with some more of his awful guff in the media. It's one thing to be unsuccessful and quiet, a whole different kettle of fish to be unsuccessful and being all over the media blaming everyone else for your failures.
I'm not saying anything they won't appoint some other potted-plant calibre candidate to replace Cuthbert, I just really can't see Cuthbert getting another term.0 -
Sarsfieds won the u 21,pretty much as i expected,but tough ,tough battle from newcestown,they refuse to wilt,Kanturk have some battle in the intermediate ahead
Sars deserved it,4 down never panicked,got four unanswered points in a ten minute spell,then david dawson goal.Murphy had a good game for them,meade for newestown.
Newecstown had an injury to horgan as i said before hand he would be a huge loss but sars very impressive ,ground out a win,never panicked sign of a good team.Horgan will be a huge loss against kanturk.A fabolous player.
Blackrock game put back til saturday,week part of a triple header 20th september.
As the aftermath and geuine shock from limerick minors continues ,there seemed to be a change in things up to the final.
I wouldnt from what i hear hold wallace at fault at all.I feel for these players hugely,the best prepared team i have seen at minor,but the county like cork has this ability to self destruct when greatness is within destiny.
Not just saying it here but on the limerick thread understandably.there far from happy with the management.Wallace record of two all irelands with cork,ballyduff.got to a munster intermediate club final beating courcey rovers along the way in cork,removes imo any doubt he was at fault.When you look at the set up,its easy to see who the proven top coaches were in their as their Records of them tell it all.
It should be interesting to see if wallace stays with limerick next year after sunday, he put huge work and time travelling etc in to that team.He may stay,who knows
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If i was jbm,id watch with interest
and id snap wallace up next year if hes availble,its the only cork job with an opening at present,we need another tactical voice.
If you Ask any player that worked under him in the cork panel,glowing accoldaes they speak of him.
As regards the Approval of the redevelopment of the Pairc,the radio,media,saying its all go ,full steam ahead ,clearance to start .
I thought there was two appeals still left ,is that true???or is not all clearance to go.
The musem their building seems great ,but id worry from 1998 u 21 hurling,minor hurling 2000 aprox ,minor hurling 2001,senior hurling 2005,how will they fill those spaces within since the famines
A body needs a soul,a car needs an engine,surely a gaa museum needs success stories to fill it.
Building a museum is easy,filling it with successful teams is the hard part imo.0 -
Sorry about the late report from last weekend's hurling games.
I went to both Pairc Ui Chaoimh and Pairc Ui Rinn last Saturday.
I was highly disappointed with the 2 Senior games. Douglas were way too strong for Youghal and Sars had too much for St. Finbarrs. These games lacked intensity big time. Not what you want to see in the Senior Championship in Cork and there waqsn't too many players on show that would put their hand up for a place on the Cork panel. Daniel Kearney, the two Cadogans and even Cian McCarthy were the only standing out performances. I'm not being totally negative as I'm sure there will be better games in the latter stages of the competition, as you would expect.
Then I went to the Kilworth Kanturk game in the Premier Intermediate Hurling Championship. A great game of hurling in contrast to the senior games earlier that day. End to end stuff. I loved it. Kanturk were hot favourites coming into this game but I did expect Kilworth to give them a right good game. Kilworth beat Kanturk in the 2012 County Intermediate Final so there was a lot to play for. There was some good individual performances from both sides. Adrian Mannix was on top form and was untouchable. It is crazy to think he was an unused sub on the Cork Intermediate Team. He has it all. Should be tried or the Senior Panel anyway. Got great scores. Kieran Walsh in goals outscored Nash with 2 points and was solid. Liam Whelan was terrific in midfield. He is like Kearney - small and quick and has wonderful wrists, great striker of a ball. Got 4 points. For Kanturk, Nash was solid, Walsh was quite in the over all scheme of things. Donagh Kenneally was very good at wing forward, got 4 points. Lorcan McLoughlin was the hero once again for Kanturk. He put on an exhibition of scoring from frees and went into full forward for a period and scored 3 points from play.
Great game in all fairness, credit due to both passionate hurling clubs. I love the Intermediate hurling grades in Cork, very competitive. I'm looking forward to the rest of the Championship.0 -
Boom ,you said Cork football could be relegated next year,that is a point that has not been addressed in cork at all but since you said it,its a real real concern next year and a very very valid point imo you made.
Unlike last year when we had two awful teams,kildare,and westmeath at home,we struggled to beat kildare,there either if there at home , this year we.may have as many softs.game as we have four northern tough dogged teams with good managers,donegal,monaghan,tyrone,derry ,well capable of coming to cork and getting at least a draw but dublin,mayo,and kerry are tough tough opponents, bar maybe mayo who have a new set up,the wind is knocked from their sails,kerry depending when we play them.
Going to play any of the four northern teams away is going to be a huge huge ask,we even had tough games in the.couinhan aera when we had a more poweful team in physicaäity when we played them up there.A great place to test a player resolve,and differeniate the dogged,steely player from just the nice footballer
who is fine down the pairc in an open game but here you need warriors.
Donegal may be tired after the championship,at home they will target the home games.
Derry are a league specalist always take it seriously,were unlucky not to draw against us last year,in.a wet windy day,dogged team a tough place to go and win.
Tyrone will be the same,after a draw in cork,will relish us at home.
Monaghan,a terrfic coach,resoulte team will test us at home.
Out of those cork are likely unlile last year get two away trips to the north sorts the men from the boys,we could even have three away trips,i hope we do.
I hope we get three away trips,as we must be tested and soft games like last year just allow lazy media journsåism,that blow cork up unreal in both management and players.
To hear the national media say corl were dublins main threat lsst year was complete nonesense.
The cork county board wont be too happy with trips to the north cost wise,they were blessed.last year with none,just antrim in th hurling but imo i couldnt care what the cost is once cork football benfits.
Kerry is just down the road and dublin is very accessible so they were.not that bad last yearä
The downside is the lack of support they will have but thats always been the way,even home games its not been great at times.
Winning three games,possibly two is what you need to stay up.
Mayo at home,they will have a new manager,energy levels or intensity wont be anything like under coughlan,buckley or horan so at home the least i expect if we get them in cork is a win.
In fact a draw or loss would be a shambles,and i wouldnt hype up a win either,simply as mayo are now gone,old force.,they always lacked a forward bar o.connor,but now the steel,insentity, tough tacking,desire want imo wont be the same as it was under horan.
In fact if cork want to make real progress we should beat them away.Its what i expect when i add realism to this game.I expect us to.win,but thats more down to mayo dissimproving rather than us being great.
Mayo and ourselves could be in a relegation battle depending how it works out.
Kerry is the only other game i see likey of a win ,but it depends when we meet.
If kerry have a few wins under the.belt,they wont be up for us they will half hearted play us,despite the yerra they took it seriously.
I pray we get kerry in the third or fourth game,but they have lost two,as then they at least will bring some bit of intensity to the game.
The worst scenario,we get them in is the ist game.,they over being in an all ireland final start training late,have a lot of cobwebs to blow off or the last game of the league their safety in tact,one eye on the championship,we beat them and we get two points.but nothing learned as they couldnt give a monkies bout the games.Thats useless to cork in championship.
Kerrys main aim will be not to be relegated,at some point in the league they will have to briefly be focused and intense,i hope cork meets them soley at that point when they show hunger,desire.and intensity.
Dublin with a huge panel of fresh u 21 talent,and a steelier,renegerised team will be a huge ask home or away.
Derry,monagahan ,tyrone will treat their games seriously.
If we do well in the league this year,its justifed to be hopeful in may as there wont be many soft games and unlike last year against.kildare and westmeath ,a non existsant kerry,we wont win many if any games unless we sort midfield as Donegal,kerry,dublin,mayo ,Derry all unlike cork have a stable ,coherent, reliable,effective,ecominal midfield in just one player,but like any patnership,two players within.
Before the fixtures are even announced.,based on all of last year results,id be extremely worried regards being relegated.
Cuthbhert and the cork county board should be asked what are corks targets next year,what justifys success,and failure.
Like man united when fourth was the minuim requirment set,like westmeath when they had to win a game,they failed both managers were sacked.
We must have a mininuim standard not will do our best in each game,try and win them all see where it takes us and what will be will be,thats just imo spindoctoring.
We must have defined targets in the league and championship imo.0 -
http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/09/11/cuthbert-ronan-will-big-loss/
Like i said mccarthys excuse will be used if we fail next year and it will be we had just one year with him we need more time,as hes loss is being played up already.
I get a sense again its like cork football suffers a huge loss,with.things outside my control from cuthbhert.He can pick a top coach next year,and let him have a huge. control imo of the team like fitzmaurice,and davy had with kinnerk.,and cian o neill.
Yes mccarthy is a loss huge in he.is the only one imo that actually knew what he was doing in regards top coaching but its no excuse to cork that we cant find a top coach to bring in,and improve un a year,the way dublin,donegal,kerry,did in year ones of their set up,and most of our set up have a year behind them.
Interview imo doesnt inspire confidence,the new coach simply.must but bar two names being rumored,the rest are miles off what we need.
Mccarthy had imo the unfortunate scenario working with two poor tacticans where hes record will be judged,i hope he returns to a cork job with a top manager some day.or hes the main man some day at minor or u 21.
He mentions ronan being prinicpal as part of the reason for leaving but cuthbhert is a principal,denis ring ,cody etc,it imo just hard to understand how it had a huge part to play.0 -
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/09/11/cuthbert-ronan-will-big-loss/
Like i said mccarthys excuse will be used if we fail next year and it will be we had just one year with him we need more time,as hes loss is being played up already.
I get a sense again its like cork football suffers a huge loss,with.things outside my control from cuthbhert.He can pick a top coach next year,and let him have a huge. control imo of the team like fitzmaurice,and davy had with kinnerk.,and cian o neill.
Yes mccarthy is a loss huge in he.is the only one imo that actually knew what he was doing in regards top coaching but its no excuse to cork that we cant find a top coach to bring in,and improve un a year,the way dublin,donegal,kerry,did in year ones of their set up,and most of our set up have a year behind them.
Interview imo doesnt inspire confidence,the new coach simply.must but bar two names being rumored,the rest are miles off what we need.
Mccarthy had imo the unfortunate scenario working with two poor tacticans where hes record will be judged,i hope he returns to a cork job with a top manager some day.or hes the main man some day at minor or u 21.
He mentions ronan being prinicpal as part of the reason for leaving but cuthbhert is a principal,denis ring ,cody etc,it imo just hard to understand how it had a huge part to play.
McCarthy is a principal in a secondary school though and its his first year in that role so its understandable that he wants to give that his main focus0 -
To a point school ends in the start of june starts in the ist week in september again the in the peak of championship.Other managers as principals done it.
Who do you think should be a selector please and what are your views regards management.
I would be intrerested in your views at this moment in time.
Who would you drop if any from the current panel.
And what are your targets for cork this year.
Huge speculation in cork over what went on sunday in the minor ,wallace could be leaving limerick.
I wouldnt be suprised,imo he couldnt be blamed if he did.
Ger cunningham linked to dublin,id be suprised if went.
Limerick are likely to get paul kinnerk once the u21 is over,a.huge addition to them at senior if he has a big role,but could be loosing a star young hurler to soccer ,trials with a uk team.Kinnerk would be unreal but with tj its by no means a certainty of success imo.0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Boom ,you said Cork football could be relegated next year,that is a point that has not been addressed in cork at all but since you said it,its a real real concern next year and a very very valid point imo you made.
A big part of why I think Cork will be in trouble next year is how Cuthbert seems to have lost a serious chunk of the squad - once a manager loses a dressing room imo, it's very hard if not impossible to win them back. If a team aren't all pulling in the same direction you're already starting at a disadvantage going up a team that are united.
Also as you said Division 1 is going to be a much tougher place next year with Donegal and Monaghan replacing Kildare and Westmeath.
In terms of fixtures next year Cork will have 4 away games as they had 4 at home this year and it's the 2nd year in that cycle.
Cork played Dublin, Mayo, Kerry away this year so I assume those 3 will all be in Cork in 2015, which would mean 4 away trips to Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan and Derry.
I'm not 100% of this but I'm not far off and if that's the way it works that's a pretty tricky away schedule especially in terms of travelling up north. In what looks like its goes to be a very competitive division 1, having only 3 home games and then having all 4 away trips being long jaunts surely puts Cork under pressure from the get-go.
Also this year Cork had 2 nice and handy home games against Westmeath and Kildare to get things off to a comfortable start from and had 4 points in the bag almost immediately, which meant they were almost immediately safe from even having to think about any relegation worries. Will the timing of matches be as favourable this year?0 -
Its frightening to think mccarty may not be even replaced by that interview,wouldnt it be worryingly.if cuthbhert decided to take on the coaching or promoted don davis ,sexton,o sullivan to the role.
Were entering a crucial stage of the cork senior championship,its imperative we have a coach in to view players but also the all ireland final,to view the opposition
cork could drag this process out now
Its not that hard,get a sheet of paper,it does not have to be power point,write down possible candiates in order ,intialize a meeting,meet ,engage ,summairse,then review all candiates.If candiates cant meet you in a two week period then not eligble.At most,a three week period keep it simple
Ul are doing fresher trials in hurling and football next week,players given just one weeks notice to attend,ucc doing similar you miss the trials you wont be considered for the year ahead
Its a fast process ,the cork process should be the same imo.0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Its frightening to think mccarty may not be even replaced by that interview,wouldnt it be worryingly.if cuthbhert decided to take on the coaching or promoted don davis ,sexton,o sullivan to the role.
Surely any possible candidates would be aware of all the talk about the state of affairs in the camp and that would make a lot of the candidates fairly wary of taking the job? Really wouldnt be surprised if candidates for the role are fairly thin on the ground - and if any appointment made it falls into the underwhelming category.0 -
http://www.thescore.ie/ladies-football-finals-1666843-Sep2014/
Great to see
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/munster-football-championship-format-1667323-Sep2014/
Better for football,clare,tipp etc deserve it imo
Could mean cork kerry in semi final,you loose ,you have two extra qualifer games0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Only two years???christ were blessed if so but guaranteed he will get a second term.Thats a given
Walsh said will do both,cahalane.may change wouldnt be certain,both cadogans and collins do both,
Dualism is.hear to stay.
John hayes is no loss to the panel,he should be dropped of it,a joke recalling him.
Walsh cant do neither of them well especially when we depend on him. So overrated by most Cork fans its unbelievable. The players can carry on dualism away but we aint going to be successful if so. Managers need to put pressure on. Its one or the other but not both codes.0 -
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/leeside-colleges-hurling-revamp-286079.html
Good to see people willing to get involved. Any attempts to improve the city schools is to be welcomed IMO.
On the dual players, one or the other will mean they'll go hurling given the problems with Cuthbert.0 -
A great idea regards the schools hurling project ,is this off their own back or any help by the cork county board.
Is rebel og involved?nothing on their website or cork gaa.
im no fan of teddy mac,tomas mul in coaching intercounty terms but fair play to them,immense credit due where its earned.Wonderful idea,but its just a step,lets not have headlines,underage crisis is over just yet.
Donal og cusack deserves immense credit and gratiude for hes outburst on the sunday game.Have no doubt,all this happening as some people are actually taking notice of what he said.Of course mulchay says it has been an idea of hes for some time,if so why is it only happening now.Imo cusacks voice,no one will admit it,helped get this going.
Cork hurling needs a voice of cork to sing aloud,let Donal og cusack become that voice.
You its not a case of criticise anybody for the sake of it its criticise and praise where its due.
However it wont work if we reward teddy mac or mulchay jobs at u 21 in the future or minor for cork etc
Promote the game,teach basic skills fine,but they are not shrewd tacticans a team needs to win at intercounty,teddy mac even struggles to win at club level if you look at the records.Old christans have entered a team in the munster primary b this year, have very good young talent from douglas,sars,barrs,eirns own ,the glen etc and na piarsaigh.
This is at last a step in the right direction.Again well done to all.
The duals are going to have to choose a code,so If its hurling so be it.
To avoid a misbalance both managers should pick dual stars if no other talent exists in the position,but that is not the case overall
Eoin cadogan despite the typical, overlauding of hes display as a tower of strength in hurling sunday when it was not imo excellent,it was okay ,but bonner maher as he done in 2012 would destroy him or power the same,or tony kelly,is not the best half back in cork hurling.I have no problem douglas winning a county but the huge negative is mark collins,and eoin cadogan be dual next year.
John horgan said last week he cadogan should have without doubt started v tippeary
Over who??ellis no way,joyce no way,lorchan no way
Cahalane should not of been half back in the ist place.Cork did not loose to tipp over eoin cadogans absence.We lost as we got the match ups all wrong.
I posted in my preview the correct match ups ,cork done the opposite.Its not rocket science why we lost imo or a great mystery.
Jbm shouldnt pick him for hurling.
Walsh,only one,i always said it may work from day one and justifed selection in both.
Cahalane,dont pick him for the hurling,jbm doesnt rate him as a full back,didnt start him v tipp,we dont need him at half back,with nagle,barry,murphy much better options.
At full back,colm spillane,sheehan,dennehy,maybee eoin keane must be tried and are better options than damien cahalane.
Mark collins again is being overhyped in the media.There like the limerick leader at times to over hype a situation.
Limerick minors justifed imo hype but 28 page pull put of the final,kilkenny people only done a page or so,unbelevabile.
Collins had two good games but is not better than michael o sullivan,coughlan,John cronin imo for cork,mark sugure.
On the football extended panel, sugrue has a better chance in hurling,as we have loads of football forwards.
Shouldnt be picked for hurling.
Alan cadogan,is a gifted footballer,but christ above we dont need another forward what we need is a midfield,a system and management that are effective.
Picking alan cadogan at whos expense if all are fit etc,Hurley,Goulding,Donnacha,Colm in the full forward line.No way.
We have Mac eoin he should be developed.
At half forward we have o rourke,sugre,collins,Vaughan,Hodnett,Kerrigan but to be honest imo running out of chances,im not sure id have him next yea starting,I thought he turned a corner v mayo but was very poor imo for a seasoned player.Would give him the benfit of the doubt and one last chance on the panel in to work under a top top manager before id right him off complety as he has talent and pace no doubt about it.
So football as good as alan is doesnt need alan cadogan imo.
You see both managers can make this simple,its nothing to overcomplicate at all at all.
If they actually looked ,they would see there are better options,do davy,and jim gavin,dont pick them in a certain code,take away that choice from them.
Its soley a managers choice to pick players get the best from hes team.
If the guys dont want to play football as you say zetescourt then that is no excuse to pick collins,cahalane,eoin cadogan for hurling,what should be addressed is why these guys dont want to play football and if it is down to management that problem must be addressed asap with utmost importance for the savioir of football in cork imo.
We are the laughing stock of the country with five dual players imo.
Christ if we get kerry in the football semi final plus a tough hurling draw,then the fun begins.
Lets be honest it was a dissaster,duslism this year.
Eoin cadogan didnt hurl much ,a prime example.
Five dual stard will destroy moral in both camps for fringe players not getting games.Jbm wants dualism,he said it worked last year.
Over to cuthbhert.Im not confident he will stop it there will be the usal,we will set up a program,review accordingly etc.
The board favours dualism.
Will cuthbhert go against them?
He has just one year left on hes term.Imo he wont upset anyone.
It is a romantic story yes,and I am a Romantic myself,but dualism is all that,But even Romeo and juliet did not have a happy ending lets be honest.
Time for realism is now or like Romeo and juliet both teams dreams of romantic success will end in tradegy imo.
http://www.gaacork.ie/news/338235/Jeremiah_Kerins_U17_Inter_County_Football_Tournament
Best of luck to them,talent is there,i remain to be convinced again by some of the management team though.0 -
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Great idea from the ex players and finally at a semi official level an acknowledgement of the importance of thecity/suburbs to cork hurling and of course the area of school hurling. HOWEVER where is the official support? I notice the schools crowd had their own laucng on wed night without even a word about this new competition, nothing on the ccb or rebel og sites and not even a whisper on twitter. For this worthy project to work it needs SUPPORT, mainly in terms of money, training gear, coaching support from the gda's etc
If this happens hopefully some of these amalgamations can get into the harty cup and play at a serious level, unlike the sad situation where the mon ag are like lambs to the slaughter again in the harty this year.
As for the dualism, I understand that the penny has dropped and the backbone has been developed to deal with this situation and ask/tell the players involved to choose their sport. Unfortunately it is likely that the football team will lose out in terms of players, but its better to have 30 totally dedicated players, the amount of training/challenges the dualists missed in the summer was unbelievable and as I suspected really pissed off some players0
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