Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1

I hope your right sean,and there seems to be this talk,its being stopped,but so far nothing to substsnisate it all.

Jbm wants it,walsh said weeks ago he will,can u tell me you have one hundred per cent faith,don davis,Cuthbhert,sexton etc will refuse it.,and go against the board and jbm,when their term is up in a year .
I hope im wrong,but i cant see it.
The same rumour went around mid championship.

As regards the schools my sentiments entirely.

sean mac

TTM, with this bunch of amateurs I will believe it when I see it, as far as Im concerned walsh put it up to them with his outrageous comments about doing it for the next 5 years, as if the management have no input. Cuthbert is such a ccb man its still doubtful but he is under pressure from the other selectors and a certain cohort of the players who were appalled with the lack of time 2 of the dualists in particular were putting in with the team

Smith614

I don't see Cusack doing too much to help the situation. Is it a case of empty vessels....,.

thinkstoomuch1

Smith614 wrote: »

I don't see Cusack doing too much to help the situation. Is it a case of empty vessels....,.

Just let it go,hes no angel but theres more good than bad in him


The fact you.need to be told the good cusack does,says it all really.

Rebel1977

Smith614 wrote: »

I don't see Cusack doing too much to help the situation. Is it a case of empty vessels....,.

Have to agree with you

zetecescort

Smith614 wrote: »

I don't see Cusack doing too much to help the situation. Is it a case of empty vessels....,.

don't thnk he should be involved imo, we need to keep this as far from a Frank v Donal Og argument as possible and concentrate on coaching players. no mention of county board involvement which is good also.

thinkstoomuch1

Hang now a second,Cork County board run cork gaa they should be and must be involved ,what do you want.,cork volunteers in this and age to give more time and effort and who funds this Rebel og,Or what we set up a supporters club pay for it while we spend 68m on a staduim
Yes the ccb would love that,not to be involved but as soon as glory arrives be the ist to get involved.

rebelomar

zetecescort wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/leeside-colleges-hurling-revamp-286079.html

Good to see people willing to get involved. Any attempts to improve the city schools is to be welcomed IMO.


On the dual players, one or the other will mean they'll go hurling given the problems with Cuthbert.

Looks a very worthy and promising initiative. Having somebody like Tony Sull involved is a great asset. Gentleman of the highest order.

I'm not keen on the proposed rule changes e.g additional points for sideline cuts, goals from ground strokes etc

That's utter nonsense in my book l and will make it feel like a gimmick.

Stick to conventional rules and drive it on all the way and it can only be positive. Potential some competitive Harty teams could emerge if these groupings are workable.

zetecescort

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Hang now a second,Cork County board run cork gaa they should be and must be involved ,what do you want.,cork volunteers in this and age to give more time and effort and who funds this Rebel og,Or what we set up a supporters club pay for it while we spend 68m on a staduim
Yes the ccb would love that,not to be involved but as soon as glory arrives be the ist to get involved.

Of course they should be involved and will be IMO, but if this was launched with a lot of publicity we'd be calling it a stunt by the CCB just to be seen to be doing something.

Any mention of county board or Cusack involvement should be kept quiet and hopefully this will be seen as an effort to improve underage hurling and not something people will pick holes in depending on who supports the idea rather than making constructive criticism.

thinkstoomuch1

"Never play on another man's name. Go out and play your own game. Remember, you'll never be any good unless you play the ball every time, no matter what. That's the secret of being - and remaining - a good hurler."

"My advice to young players would be: 1. Develop the greatest possible strength in your arms; 2. Practice swift pucking and striking; and 3. Never hit the ball for the sake of hitting it - deliver it to the right place. To strengthen your arms you must play the ball on the ground - a soft ball that is hard to hit far. One day you might hit the ball ten yards, then twenty, but the day will come when you'll drive it 80 yards. You'll drive it that length consistently, but you can't do it without making your arms good and strong."

"Never do anything in training that you can't do in a match - that's no use. The hardest things that you do in training will serve you well in the game because you'll never be asked to do them as hard again. The easy way happens in a game but, of course, it only seems easy because you have been doing the hard things in training."

"Never take your eye off the ball - even when it's in the referee's pocket."


From tim horgsns book on the great christy ring.


The part about ground hurling shows its importance.Its a.skill that many young hurlers cant do well.
As for sidelines being two points,i.fully agree put the emphaisis on that skill,as bar aidan walsh,conor lehane,michael cahalsne,davif drake ,peter o brien etv this skill is poor in cork hurling.
You see unlike intercounty this is a competition where winning is not eveything as it is all cork teams,it is just regards developing better players for club or county with better hurling basic skills.

As for keeping the board out of the launch no ,no,simply no way.
This doesnt not need to be a propandga ,war of the roses,childish spat i totally agree.
If the board launched it,set out clear figures of fianical investment,and lads got playing gear,jeresys ,food etc,grass roots people would really buy in to it,and as i said would praise the ccb where its due.

Believe it or not the good hearted,real real gaa people get no joy critising the ccb,dont wake up eveything morning with the sole aim cririse them for the sake of it with out no reason.
There criticised simply as the critisims are valid and a spade must always be called a spade so to speak.
Many will praise the board if they backed it totally,if they dont help in the launch ,it seems imo same old story.
There were quick enough to gather and support teddy macs book launch,now he does a worthwhile project he should be supported with the others.
Its a wonderful idea,but is no good unless the cork county board suppport it fully imo.

thinkstoomuch1

Nothing suprises me ,Confusion before it even got launched.

Liam shorten,ex cork,current footballer,with mhuire ag , a good coach tweeted hes school just got wind of the idea yesterday,no schools know much bout it,dates etc proper consulstion etc.
If you go to cork gaa twitter,tweet 19hr ago,it can be seen.


Cork gaa then tweeted him saying brendan o driscoll co ordinating it,so the ccb are involved .

Yet he said he asked two question but he said and said he got no answer to either question.

If cork gaa cordinate it why was it not mentioned once yesterday.
Surely brendan o.driscoll who gave an interview after cusack to dilute cusacks rant,and said cork underage coaching had tremendous work ongoing would have only be too happy to have cork gaa mentioned.

Again,it sounds great,but its just a day old and imo more questions than answers,typical in some things of cork gaa.
Mulchay said he had this idea for some time,if so you would think the main ingredient the schools were properly consulted in the project,by shorten on twitter it does not seem to be the case.

Yes the launch is next month,but surely schools need time as in some cases dean ryan and harty cup competitions there involved in.


Im not all critising this wonderful idea,there just seems to be a lot if confusion with it,thats all.

thinkstoomuch1

http://gaacork.ie/news/338235/Jeremiah_Kerins_U17_Inter_County_Football_Tournament

Wonderful result ,well done to the young talent.
The talent is in cork for an excellent minor side next year but that is not why they wont win an all ireland.

Kerry won the u 16 tournament.
Both were played in kerry.
Its a shame we didnt get to play kerry ,but galway must be good as they beat kerry in extra time.
Anyone at it?

Well done to cloyne gaa on a wonderful win,beat a poor ballinshasig team.,through to the semi final,the rock and paudie superb,but cloyne has mr cloyne gaa the wonderful,imperious leader of all men,Donal og.cusack,a huge influence in coaching that team with the superb diarmuid falvey.

For those are criticsed cusack here yesterday with what is doing in coaching,it really shows up what ye know regards cusack.
He is still playing,coaching,many other committmentd,gpa,promoting gaa with hurling new game in croker,irish examiner etc.

I would love cloyne ,clyda ,newtown to win out their competitons,nothing against other teams but those three teams would certainly ruffle feathers in some quarters in cork.
Its unlikey all three together will win their respective championships.

Well done to ballyclough after the heartbreak of last sunday in footbs and last year in this junior b hurling final to win their very ist county junior b hurling title tonight winning 1-19 to Dromtarrifes 3-3.
I am delighted for colm o neill and ballyclough and the wonderful coach in johnny keane.Their is no subusite for top coaching at any level of the game.

Captain fantastic,Mark hefferannen,Cork u 21football panelist last year imo man of the match,huge workrate,linked play majestically ,with wonderful passes imo was awesome.
Tomas o.neill got a great goal.


I feel for dromatarrife also seeking their very ist title also.They will be back.Sean Howard was terrific for them the cork u17 all ireland winner,likely be on the minor panel next year,got two goals.

I fancy fermoy to beat eire og tonight in what is a diffcult game to predict a winner,but id like fermoy to win it,with their very young,well coached team against last years beaten finalists Eire Og.

zetecescort

Best of luck today

Cork: Aoife Murray (Cloughduv), Joanne O’Callaghan (Cloughduv), Anna Geary (Milford - Capt), Laura Treacy (Killeagh), Eimear O’Sullivan (Ballinhassig), Gemma O’Connor (St. Finbarr's), Pamela Mackey (Douglas), Rena Buckley (Inniscarra), Ashling Thompson (Milford), Jennifer O’Leary (Barryroe), Angela Walsh (Killeagh), Briege Corkery (Cloughduv), Julia White (Douglas), Orla Cotter (St. Catherine's), Katrina Mackey (Douglas).

thinkstoomuch1

I didnt think it would be that easy but i was bang on again,fermoy won,3-14 to Eire Ogs 1-9
Eire.og had the expierence but yet again my logic is not rocket science,i judge a team by whos in charge.
A team with Denis ring,a meticlous,top,i mean top coach,but proven at a variey of clubs,all ireland success with st colmans,and cork was always going to outhink,out smart a team with teddy maccarthy in charge.
I read in a preview,it said teddy mac,would have a plan to curb hutchinson a goal threat for fermoy,as they said hes ability to get goals would not go unnoticed by teddy mac.Thats hard to believe as teddy mac coaching record in cork ,laois,limerick overall is pretty dismal and notourious for getting match ups right.
Hutchinson,hagan,o sullivan played well.

I just watched now how clare won the u.21 delighted,and it breaks limerick three in a row,limerick may finally stop living of that past glory.
Unlike that limerick team,Clare actually won a senior all ireland hurling title.
The greatest u 21.team ever,but unlike cork,wexford gave them a real real test,and can actually be proud in defeat,wexford have the ex winning coach,the superb Jj doyle.
If cork had met wexford,wexford would blow cork away,win by at least ten points.Both tipp and wexford gave clare good tests.
Its no suprise limerick and cork did not,i said in april in the limerick thread,clare u 21 would beat them handy,and limericks problem is not a lack of talent.

At u 21 we are miles off,tipp,wexford,clare,behind galway,on par with limerick as they like us have poor coaches in tom ryan,and ciaran carey.Brian ryan is likely to be the next u 21 manager when the time comes,no need to worry for any team as imo he as said in the limerick thread is a poor coach,with a poor record.

The talk now is kinnerk is leaving clare but not taking a job at limerick if true he made a very wise decision.It will be interesting to see what happens.Kinnerk could get a job anywhere  he shouldnt settle for limerick imo hes talent deserves joining a top set up.

Kil na matrya beat glamire,delighted for tony leahy,cork u21 all ireland winning coach again,top coaching you cant beay it.
Apparently,Michael desmond was superb the cork minor.
Mtichelstown and cil na matyra,both intermediate club teams,imo have better managers than the current senior intercounty football teams.
St catherines ,that great club,of cathal casey,relegated ,should be beating dripsey but catherines have ex cork senior hurling manager ,denis walsh.
Im not one bit suprised they lost.
He was a great player in football and hurling though at senior for cork,credit where its due,but walsh ticks very few boxes you want in a top top manager.

With that mantra in mind,even though all four teams tommorrow in the senior hurling championship are well coached i think ballymartle will win ,slightly as they are battle hardened seasoned,family unity spirt,the ultimate team will just edge the game.
With players such as Cunningham of the glen,callian a fine servant,an outstanding array of young talent in dooling,kennfick, are a fine team,with the awesome mcdonnell and horgan,paul virgo club team of the year last year are a fine side but ballymartle with o.mahony,tobin,the two corrys Brian in particular, the Very promising rickard cahalane ,the majestic darrren mccarthy,i think they will win as ex sars winning manager crowley is a top top coach with them.He won a county u 21 title managing sarsfields at just around 30 years of age.A top coach.

They played adare of limerick who beat the well in limerick today in a recent challenge in mallow,and Ger cunningham of laois,ex newtown who is helping adare ,must be  very impressed by ballymartle to choose them as opponets in a challenge match.
A tough game to call,but i think ballymartle to win,i like both teams.

Newtown,with a dry day sun on their backs,open spaces of the pairc,i feel could have too much pace and width for na piarsaigh.
I like na piarsaugh,sean og,gardiner,my heroes but a fast newton game who wont do aerial bombardment,but make them run and run with low intelligent fast short ball,jp king playing as a third midfielder ,i fancy newtown.
I hope they win as imo have a much better chance of beating sarsfields.Cork hurling imo ,wont gain with sars in a final.
In a few years with the younger talent,yes but not now.
I hope to god joyce doesnt play midfield as he will for a fine player be made look average.He must be half back.
Darren mannix the old,great master v the hughely promising young talent,tim o mahony should be very interesting.

The story of yesterfday Cloyne,Kil na matra,Fermoy,Ballyclough,Clare u 21 win,the Common Demoinators from those four,all had top proven,meticous,coaching and winning expierence.
Start with top coaching, you very rarely will go wrong.

Best of luck to passage going for their first final in 20 years or so in junior b football final v the barrs.Sars cian maccarthy the hurler may start for passage .

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-a-dual-jewel-286237.html

A terrfic read,in both a wonderful player and a wonderful journalist combined for a super article.imo.
Best of luck to the camouge team,i actually think they will win it.
Very confident ,it will be close. A huge day for corkerys home place aghinagh in the junior b final in the mens game v kilmurry the holders.
Be nice to see a new winner.

Indie.

@Thinkstoomuch Its junior A and Kilmichael won it last year.Kilmurry last won it two years ago i believe and dont think aghinagh have won it in 50 odd years.

Indie.

@Thinkstoomuch Its junior A and Kilmichael won it last year.Kilmurry last won it two years ago i believe and dont think aghinagh have won it in 50 odd years.

thinkstoomuch1

Indie. wrote: »

@Thinkstoomuch Its junior A and Kilmichael won it last year.Kilmurry last won it two years ago i believe and dont think aghinagh have won it in 50 odd years.

My mistake.my confusion my apologies

Any know who.won between.barrs v passage

zetecescort

St Finbarrs 0-10 Passage 0-8.

sean mac

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

My mistake.my confusion my apologies

Any know who.won between.barrs v passage

Barrs were up by 3 at half time, huge effort from passage to have it down to 1 with 5 mins left but barrs got next score and deserved their win. huge effort from passage this year and great effort a killer to lose it. Plenty of potential for the future only 1 player over 30

zetecescort

Carbery Rangers beating Castlehaven 2-12 to 1-8 with time almost up

SeaFields

Powerful second half by the girls. A great win. Congrats to them.

ShamoBuc

That second half performance was simply excellent! What a bunch they are, fantastic! Hopefully the footballers can do the business as well.
The ladies...as is often the case.... Show the men how to do it. Today can be added to the very long list of great wins where the inner surge of belief and never say die attitude come to the fore when it matters most!!

zetecescort

ShamoBuc wrote: »

That second half performance was simply excellent! What a bunch they are, fantastic! Hopefully the footballers can do the business as well.
The ladies...as is often the case.... Show the men how to do it. Today can be added to the very long list of great wins where the inner surge of belief and never say die attitude come to the fore when it matters most!!

+1. could have dropped their heads after not really playing for the first half but showed great guts to put in that second half performance.

SeaFields

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Hopefully the footballers can do the business as well.

I wonder will rebel girl be sober in time for it?! :pac:

Hidalgo

Great 2nd half by Cork. The tactic of running at the Kk defence wasn't working in the 1st half with plenty individual attacks breaking down around the kk 45.

The ref was poor throughout and awful in the last 10 mins.
Gave kk a free in for overcarrying when it was a free out as the cork girls hand was pullec back. Free was converted.
How he didn't blow for a pen is beyond me. The first one was clear as day and I thought kk had a case for a 2nd one in injury time.

All that said 2 08 was a serious score to knock up cinsidering Cork weren't at all in form in the 1st half.

zetecescort

Breige Corkery and Rena Buckley now with most All Ireland senior medals of all time. incredible.

thinkstoomuch1

I was hoping passage would win,as.a great club,end that famine.
Every team can loose,its the manner of it,in this regard passage done themselves proud against the big fish in the barrs.

Did cian mac play????

Great win in a tame lacklusutre contest for na piarsaigh A super second half by them,blew newtown away in the last ten minutes.
The slow tempo suited,gardiner,sean og,joyce out of position at midfield but in the second half the slow tempo exposed their lack of pace.
It was a mistake withdrawing tim o mahony before thrown.,they did not trust him against darren mannix who had a fine game.
But liam ryan he learned from the mistake and brought on tim at half time.Liam ryan has done well with them in year one,a good coach ,got it wrong in the team selection,but has a proven record to have faith in him.
Jp king as i said he would played as a third midfielder,excellent game but bowles was being destroyed in a two man full forward line by mannix.
Mahony changed the dynamic of the game,and newtown  where king,herihly outstanding at centre back,twomey super point ,coughlan,clifford stood out  for them but they never got going.Mahony was for a 17 year old.,brave,dogged,steely,had a fine game unlike cathal naugthon was poor for an ex senior intercounty player.
Joyce,halpin had too much bite for him.
He was taken off,Even in the club comfort he was poor.He wont win you dirty ball,.Those type of forwards imo are a luxury no team needs.


Newtown made huge mistake in coughlan boxed in at corner forward,he went to midfield he was outstanding but too late as newtowns chance was a fast open game,but they kept it tight,slow suited na piarsaigh.

Gould after a poor ist half,gardiner, joyce when he went deeper,buckley two super goals,dayne lee ,and mannix were supberb.
I hope they beat sars,they beat them in last year league final.
Guinheen is a good coach ,and made the right and brave call taling off young o connell in goals who was very nervous.
Joyce should have been roasted by naughton pace but joyce has a bit of cut and a bite ,naughton will always be just a nice hurler.
The next day he will meet kearney fast and as much hurling as naughton be also has a bit of steel and bite in hes play,so must not start at midfield but instead must start at half back instead
As for newtown.,they have the avondu final next monday week in mallow at u.21.
I got that game wrong,and the glen game with the result.
I said it would be close,level with time almost up,but horgan stood up when needed and drove them to a super win,against a supberb ballymartle,dogged,resilence,a team that refuses to wilt.
Corry,dwyer,mccatthy,cahalane were superb but the glen never buckled and showed huge resilence,and composure to win not just a game of hurling but a war of attrition,dogged close game turned a corner,will be a huge test for douglas and that game is impossible to call.
Mcdonnell,horgan,kennfick,cunningham,Dean Brosnan had fine games,they have real hurling within.3 18 year olds starting for the glen,they have a fine blend of youth and expierence.
You couldnt fault ballymartle,superbly coached,lynham doing some job with the glen.Man of the match imo was cathal hickey,he made four superb saves.

Well done to cork camoige,26th title,i just watched it on a recording.
I said they would win,i knew they would as i did not believe in reading  some newspapers overhyping kilkenny,that had no real competition all year,and can hurl any day of the week but for me i was unconvinced when the heat was on ,could do it in croke park,as they unlike cork,had few warrirors and real leaders.
I am utterly convinced cork will complete the double and blow dublin away,as with walsh,corkery etc the football have real leaders not just nice footballers.Dublin im not convinced have the inner resolve or steel to win against a cork team with it in abundance.

Around seven or 8 from both kilkenny and cork played in 2009  camoige all ireland final,that cork won the all ireland final.
So while I havent seen any games in person but kikenny while winning all games handy,bar galway,that was their only test.
Corkrery,buckley,walsh,callaghan,mackey,murrary,cotter,all were involved in 2009,add in anna geary,thompson there was real leadership and expierence there.
Pauide murray ,kevins brother,is a good coach,got tested in two games v wexford,seem to be going in to it in a better place.
A lot of cork have won senior all irelands at football or hurling,there real winners,like of corkery etc would get to croke park in her sleep on all ireland day,its like an annual pilgrame.
Id  watched aishing thompson on rte,few weeks ago and the leadership shone through,she said she had no doubt cork could win an all ireland,before they even beat wexford.

It didnt seen hot air by Aishling,hard to explain but imo there was a real sense of purpose in her words.The leadership was easy to see.
Hurlers dont win all irelands on its own,you must have the resolve within.
Im not as well up on the team ,as id like,as the games clash with others,but the names of key players stand out by a mile.
Cork camoige have hurling skills but so much more.
Christy ring once quoted
 
[
you see ,in a munster championship or all ireland final
you must really put it up to your oponent.He is very MEAN and you are very MEAN too.Thats where thr skills you have perfected come in to play.There is very little he can do if you have the right equipment within yourself"]

Imo ,the cork camoige have proven players on the Big Stage.
Kilkenny have not yet won a senior all ireland with them so questions must remain with their team now.Yes they can hurl,but can they when the need is greatest, have kilkenny, as Ring ,would say  the meaness within??with this bunch.
Ann dalton I would say without doubt has it. ,aisling thompson  gave her some game.


You must have a bit of doggedness,steel within any team.Its not an insult but a wonderful compliment to any team imo.To me doggnedness means,inner resolve,steel,fight ,courage,hunger etc.
Harnedy,bonner maher,O ses,noel o leary are examples,they have that value within,not just nice players
This cork team had a real spine to them.
Paudie murray is a  very good coach.
Murray bar the unlucly goal had a fine game,geary not great by her own standards in the ist half but grew in to it for a fine game,o sullivan imperious at half back,gemma o.connor,thompson majestic,the brillant cotter ,and the awesome walsh and corkery were sublime.
Corkery misplaced a few hand passes but she got vital points,stormed in to the game when the need was greatest,was trojion heroically.
You see corkery unlike some sports stars doesnt just do good interviews in a newspaper and talk the talk she walked the walk.
Splendid to beat the unbeaten ,kilkenny ,in some eyes unbeatable ,and espiceally when as seen by o leary goals,they played over the edge in tackling at times,and a shocking referee favoured them imo with some appalling decisons.
This camoige team is a panels of true Heroines now, they should be front page of the national newsapers,and deserve huge huge media coverage as they justify it.
I hope they get a huge turnout tommorrow for the homecoming.
Is it by bus through watergrashill or by train stopping in Mallow ,then kent station??any time etc ,

I couldnt be there today over the club games,i must go to the homecoming.The skills levels out of both teams were immense,a very good kilkenny team,the second best in ireland,but not just quite good enough against a team of CHAMPIONS.O sullivan imo was player of the match at half back.

Some shock in the haven being beaten,the county champipnship is wide open,and i would say clydas odds have went way down now to get to a final.
Nemo are favourites rightly so but imo certainly beatable.
Castlehaven have been great for cork football but the championship will be better for a new champion.

thinkstoomuch1

I was bang on with player of the match,well done eimear o.sullivan,the finest half back display i Ever saw up there with wayne sherlock,brian,cococran,Tommy walsh,ronan curran,sean og halpin,anthony daly,brian whelan,tony keady,johnn crowley,liam dunne.
Yes that Great display it truly was.
Awsome,heoric,majestic,imperious,wonderful,breathtaing,magnifcent,Talismanicslly epically Superwoman, her display not one but every minute of the 63 she was all of the above.
Congratuations.

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

Breige Corkery and Rena Buckley now with most All Ireland senior medals of all time. incredible.

Thats not correct unfortunately,they both now.have 13,overtook downey,but kathleen millis dubllin has 15 senior all irelands camoige,but win the football they go to 14,and corkery wont retire for another few years so she imo will break it,just a matter of time.