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Ballincollig very impressive against Muskerry this evening. Muskerry were short Cathal Vaughan due to a knee injury.0
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They were but muskerry were very poor to be honest,i wouldnt get carried away just yet,every game.at face value.
I believe by your posts your a staunch muskerry man,even by your standards,you must admit muskerry were pretty poor,vaughan a fine player but no excuse hes absence for a poor poor perferomance by muskerry.0 -
Muskerry were poor on the night after impressing against Duhallow earlier. Rory Buckley and John Carey their standout performers with Carey showing up especially well. Muskerry like every other Divison struggle to get all their best players together. Not a single Grenagh or Ballinora player in the panel despite being Premier Intermediate yet Kilmichael as an ordinary Junior A club have 5 players in the panel second only to Cill Na Martra who had 6! Baffling really but perhaps they were the only players who wanted to be involved. Surprised that Sean Kiely was an unused sub tonight. Vaughan was a huge loss tonight to Muskerry but the regularity of his injuries is worrying
Ballincollig will give Nemo enough to consider with Nemo probably having too much firepower for them. Liam Jennings looks like a possible Cork panelist and it's surprising that Steven O'Donoughue never got more of a look in under previous management0 -
Id agree with o donughe,he looked good,and grenagh should have had more but with hurling and football they are busy.
Jennings is not intercounty standard,fine club man.
Vaughan would have made no differrnce,muskerry werent even competive imo.
Its hard to read too much in tonight,as muskerry were poor but ballicollig will cause nemo problems,not sure.they will win but.huge credit to them,im happy for them,as there putting in huge work at underage.0 -
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/eamonn-fitzmaurice-and-jim-mcguinness-are-in-the-final-because-they-re-the-best-man-managers-1.1915576
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/drawing-on-lessons-from-the-master-286857.html
Both fitzmaurice and mcguiness are both top top managers,unbelievable what was done with limited rescources by both of them imo.
Id include james horan also, he got every ounce ,from hes team, he cant be blamed for a lack of forwards.
With him,buckley,coughlan gone.,there will be a huge drop in mayos performance imo next year.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/straightsets/2013/08/13/gilbert-is-still-teaching-how-to-win-ugly/
Now this is tennis,what the has it got to do with gaelic football people may ask.Dont judge the value of the article by the title alone. Understandstanding its core values particulary the very last sentence is the key.
Its tennis,but we shouldnt be naive.
Look at the concept of thought,principles ,its so relevant to donegal,kerry,and should be to Cork,play to your strengths,get most out of your team etc.
I have no problem with a team winning ugly,once they win most of the time.
People say it should be the same with cork in 2010.
Imo that was ugly ,and unjustifable as we had no real game plan,it,was lateral and slow in defence and attack unlike kerry and donegal who attack with menace,purpose,cohesion,our attack with superb forwards had a system of slow forward ball and we stumbled to an all ireland,struggled against poor down and limerick teams ,we should in truth have blown out the gate.
In 2010,we had the talent to play a better style.That was the issue with the style.Brolly was right when he said cork played at just 60 per cent,off the cuff,no organistion or structure .He upset many in cork,but He shouldnt of said the word dumb but hes view was right,cork didnt maximse potential.
He called for cork to play a sweeper 3 years ago,with a two man full forward.,as three gives them no space inside.
Brolly is like cusack,roy keane etc,controversial so a lot what he says gets lost in translation when there understanding of the game on the field is second to none but imo equal to most.
If you ask anyone regards Donegal,dublin,kerry,Mayo,Monaghan in one word you could define their style of play.
What was corks style of play this year??no one word answer for that imo as we had no style,had one that was flawed in all out attack in the league and at the start of the championship,then mid season we changed it.
Imo every great team needs a style,a system,in other words,a winning team must have an identity something imo cork had not last year,and the identity of any team in any sport anywhere in the world is crucial to its success and that comes from management ,as they create an identity to unise,bond,collectives individuals in a sport,and harness that individals talents in to a Collective,potent force imo that utiles every strength within and negates or erdacites every weakness within a team.
Those articles underline again how games are often won and lost before players even step on the field,as i said all year the team announcements tell you if you have a realistic chance,and the match ups on throw in.
Management is Abousltely Vital in this regard and in both codes imo the last ten years,become more important and hughely significant than ever before in gaa at any level and most of all at senior,as at the end of the day they pick the team,and style of a play that dicates the teams chances in a game.
The Donegal teams before and after mcguiness are worth reading.
Donegal (SF v Armagh) 2010 last match under Doherty where it was one of the worst ever displays in donegal history,they were destroyed.: P Durcan; P McGrath, N McGee, K Lacey; M Maguire, B Dunnion, F McGlynn; N Gallagher, K Cassidy; M McHugh, R Kavanagh, D Walsh; C McFadden, M Murphy, C Dunne.
Donegal that won the all ireland in 2012.: P Durcan, P McGrath, N McGee, F McGlynn, E McGee, K Lacey, A Thompson, N Gallagher, R Kavanagh, R Bradley, L McLoone, M McHugh, P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden
Subs: D Walsh for Bradley, M McElhinney for McBrearty, C Toye for McLoone
10 players from that team in 2012 remained from 2010,yet in one year,yes one year in, in mcguinness ist year turned practally two thirds of that team,where many said donegal had no future etc went on to win an a ulster title since 92,and pushed dublin in a semi final all the way,yet one year later stormed and cruised to an all ireland title.
The single biggest reason Donegal defy the odds,like clyda rovers.,castlehaven in Cork football, is like Brad Gilbert in winning ugly said,you like those teams Play to your strengths,Something Cork Football hasnt done under cuthbhert,done it in glimpses under Counihan,in spordically rather than Constantly.
Mcguinness story is ironic ,in he went for the senior job,the county board,refused him,even when he was the only candiate.He actually had a powerpoint presenation,but the socket went,no power to do it.
He was given the u 21 job as a consolation yet he won two senior county titles as manager one ending a forty year famine with Naomh Caoniall.He had a pedgiree proven at club and county.
What a job with a limited team he done,he came within a crossbar of beating the more rescourceful dubs.
Results spoke louder than any words could ,in fact so much so when in 2011,the board realised we have our man.Donegal football was at an all time low.
A man that with no power point presenation got the job eventually,one superb u 21 season got him in,cleary had ten good years,yet he still couldnt get the job.
A very good aricle by Mike Foley in.the Indo sunday last week said the u 21 kerry team hammered by john clearys cork had nine of that team v mayo ,and 13 on the panel.
Kerry had fitzmaurice,cork had cleary in charge.Why doesnt any one highlight this????the easy view is oh kerry are cuter footballers,than cork.Theres way more to it than that imo.
Cork under Hayes and gene this year s in the u 21 football,tony leahy who is doing excellent work with cill na matryta,and cleary took over in 2004 after the anthony davis term,noel o leary said the worst ever he played in a newspaper interview 2007,yet in year one turned them in to a munster winning team despite those minors from 2002,2003,being poorly coached at minor when the 2003 u 21 team had a core of the all ireland well coached minor team a few year, earlier yet Waterford beat us all had good year ones.
Our senior team in year one this year suffered the worst ever defeat since 1970s etc with about 8 senior all ireand medals winner.
Yet in cork ,some cant or just dont want to acknowledge it but bame everthing bar the real reasons for the poor result to our Greatest football enemy.
Are we being too harsh,no imo,any astute pundit in the has said similar since regards that Nightmare result in the Pairc in july.
Mcguinness mantra is Commit,Focus ,Believe,Achieve,he said after winning the all ireland in an interview in 2012.
When i look at cork this year due to dualism among other factors none of those four boxes were ticked.
How could duals players Commit every training with two weeks on two weeks off dual program.
How could the Focus be at the required level,with distractions of both codes .
How could you truly Believe in the set up with so much inexpierence and our prepartion being off kerry,mayo and dublin .
As joe brolly said after as he said in what he called the slaughtering kerry gave to cork ,the very core of competive sucess is belief,and he said cork had None.Belief has to come from Management imo.
And last but not least ,the best til last how could cork truly Achieve,when Cork did not imo tick each box in regards,Commit,Focus and Believe.
There was only go to be one team who can win,doneagal still had a superb season.Out of all our talents in cork not one player even one got mention,correctly for team of the year.That shows how far cork have fallen.0 -
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I can't have that cork were lucky to win the all Ireland in 2010 .I know we got a handy run but you have to take it and the did.TTM you are harping on about fitzmaurice but Kerry had to have all the luck to win it this year ,2 soft penalty's against mayo and a gift of a goal yesterday.you can have a brilliant manager but if don't have the bit of luck you have nothing.the cork hurlers had the chance to rob an all Ireland last year but they couldn't take it .0
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Ah would you get realstic,Cork in 2010 were expected to win the all ireland from day one,had a full team,no injuries,but only beat dublin a top team along the way,kerry beat us,we struggled against infetior oppositon in extra time v limerick,and indivudal briallance with hunger and drive led by canty we won.
We stumbled to an all ireland and.with better players nearly lost.to limerick and donegal.
Kerry lucky,what nonenese.
They destroyed cork,beat mayo had better forwards,tactically beat donegal with limited rescources without the gooch .
This didnt happen,by saying a prayer and hoping for the best.
Cork v clare in hurling,cork were dominated in large parts of the game.We were lucky to draw,but well beaten in the replay.
Kerry broke even at the very least in terms of possession.
This kerry got lucky nonense,cork would love to believe that,use that as a ,excuse to hide their flaws and grasp when if we had luck we may next year win the all ireland in if we get luck ,when nothing is farther from the truth.
Kerry had no luck imo,they had bad luck to loose the gooch,they won as they had a genuis in fitzmaurice like i said many times before the game with a proven,top top trainer,in cian o.neill.0 -
From a cork point of view in the muskerry,ballincollig game Liam shorten very very poor last night,how he got league time with cork years ago baffles me still with much better forward options availble both then and now.
Goulding was good,litte ball.
Rory buckley poor,shoulnt be called up to training this year
Gould,excellent,but consistency on big days the worry
Laoire playee out of position was good and never gave up.
Galvin,excellent,and kelly full of creativity and energy.
Cian kiely very good game,real prospect.
O.donoughe very good.
Noel o leary ,and john miskella,great games,two great players unfortunsately too old now for senior.0 -
I know we should have won more all Ireland's but Donegal might be same . armagh had a great team and a top manager but they also only won 1.they are hard to win that's all I'm saying .I know Cuthbert isn't up to the job but u can't blame him for the kerry defeat when the players gave up.your always on about billy Morgan but it was the same the last time he was there remember the 2007 final when they we're a disgrace. Ned English is the man but I'm afraid he'll never get it.0
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Id agree totally with some point but i exempt players from any blame,to kerry,they gave up as they had no belief under cuthbhert,no plan,no cohesion.
Would clyda or cork ladies,or cork.u 21 with cleary or the majiority of times team give up under morgan,no ,they would not.
That game was remmincscent to donegal shocking defeat to armagh in 2010 yet ten same players with a new manager won an ulster title a year later.
Doherty was poor,cuthbhert is likewise.
I feel sorry for our players underachieving.This is likely to get worst in the league,with relegation a frightening possibilty.0 -
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Most teams need a bit of luck when they win an All-Ireland. And Kerry got lots of luck this year on the way to winning this All-Ireland.thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Ah would you get realstic,Cork in 2010 were expected to win the all ireland from day one,had a full team,no injuries,but only beat dublin a top team along the way,kerry beat us,we struggled against infetior oppositon in extra time v limerick,and indivudal briallance with hunger and drive led by canty we won.
We stumbled to an all ireland and.with better players nearly lost.to limerick and donegal.
Kerry lucky,what nonenese.
They destroyed cork,beat mayo had better forwards,tactically beat donegal with limited rescources without the gooch .
This didnt happen,by saying a prayer and hoping for the best.
Cork v clare in hurling,cork were dominated in large parts of the game.We were lucky to draw,but well beaten in the replay.
Kerry broke even at the very least in terms of possession.
This kerry got lucky nonense,cork would love to believe that,use that as a ,excuse to hide their flaws and grasp when if we had luck we may next year win the all ireland in if we get luck ,when nothing is farther from the truth.
Kerry had no luck imo,they had bad luck to loose the gooch,they won as they had a genuis in fitzmaurice like i said many times before the game with a proven,top top trainer,in cian o.neill.
Two players had a huge bearing on Kerry's success this year. But it was only through necessity that David Moran and Keiran Donaghy came to the fore. If it wasn't for an injury to Bryan Sheehan and a bit of last minute desperation against Mayo in the first drawn game then the year could have worked out very differently for Kerry.
In the replayed game against Mayo the referee had a huge bearing on the result of the game. Shane Enright should have been sent off more than once. A number of soft frees were given against Donaghy and the clash of heads between Aidan O Shea and Killian O'Connor meant that both players impact on the rest of the game for Mayo was very limited. That was completely unfortunate but it helped Kerry.
In yesterday's game against Donegal, Paul Durcan gifted a goal to Donaghy which may have been as much to blame on the sun in his eyes as it was on the similarity in colour of both team's jerseys. He's been the best goal keeper in the country this year and this was a completely uncharacteristic mistake but it was crucial.
In the Munster Final against Cork, Cork started well in the first 10 minutes and scored 3 points and should have had a penalty for a foul on Barry O'Driscoll. If this penalty was awarded and scored it would have meant that Cork would have been 6 points ahead in the first 10 minutes and Kerry's defensive plan would probably have to be altered. The penalty was not awarded, Kerry got on top after this and the rest is history.
Fitzmaurice has done very well this year. He has got a lot of calls right. And he certainly got his game plan right in every match this year. But sometimes in life there are things that are beyond the control of the manager and even the players on the field. It's important to get a bit of luck and for calls to go your way. Incidentally, in several interviews after the Mayo game, Fitzmaurice has repeated the fact that they got 'the rub of the green' in those games. I think Fitzmaurice is being honest when he admits that Kerry were lucky at times.
On a final note. I would praise Fitzmaurice for his tactics and his game plan all year long. Fitzmaurice was able to change his strategy and game plan for each team that he met this year which meant that Kerry were highly adaptable. From a neutral point of view though, the game yesterday was a truly horrible spectacle. And this is not something that should be praised or admired. It's one thing for the participating counties to be happy with a win at all costs performance, but for any committed supporter or fan of GAA and gaelic football yesterday was a majorly regressive step. This year was a truly awful year for gaelic football in general and I can only think of a handful of good games this year and we had to wait til August to get these worthwhile games. Gaelic football is dying a very slow death.
There is also another thing which has really frustrated me about Kerry's victory yesterday. And that is the fact that Kerry made no effort whatsoever this year to do well in the league. Kerry were happy to maintain Division 1 status and that's all they wanted to achieve from the league. At least Dublin and Cork have paid alot of respect to the league in recent years. But the national league is supposed to be the second most important national competition after the All-Ireland, and it is being treated with complete disrespect by most teams. I think I'd have to agree with Shane Curran's proposal earlier in the year that the national league should be scrapped and have the provincial championship played off earlier in the year and have a revamped All-Ireland series for the summer. This would also shorter the championship year and allow more time for clubs to play games in August or September if the championship year was shortened from March/April to August.0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »From a cork point of view in the muskerry,ballincollig game Liam shorten very very poor last night,how he got league time with cork years ago baffles me still with much better forward options availble both then and now.
Goulding was good,litte ball.
Rory buckley poor,shoulnt be called up to training this year
Gould,excellent,but consistency on big days the worry
Laoire playee out of position was good and never gave up.
Galvin,excellent,and kelly full of creativity and energy.
Cian kiely very good game,real prospect.
O.donoughe very good.
Noel o leary ,and john miskella,great games,two great players unfortunsately too old now for senior.
we differ on that quite a bit.
i was though O'Laoire was poor and not involved. wing forward where he was an option for kick outs but didnt win 1? goold was the only genuine fielder of the ball on show from either side
Buckley marshalled Paddy Kelly well and didnt allow him much freedom at all.
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Ah sweet divine jesus are you actually for real Archer,no offence geuinely,but what a load of rubbish.
Your trying to convince me kerry were lucky v cork,if we had a goal went six up,we would have won.
For sweet jesus get real,kerry dont do panic,and would have clawed back that lead,simply cork had no midfield no plan.
They would truly love you in the county board,we didnt get the breaks,but.next time with a bit of luck we may .
I suggest you watch that game again,kerry dominated us in every aera.
Also can you gurantee cork would have got this so called penalty ,john hayes likely to take it and miss it.
You need to let the kerry begrudery go ,and see what stares you in the face.All year you told us kerry were gone,cork had no fears etc.
Kerry had a plan,yes they got a few soft decisions,but they won the all ireland as they had the best team,fortune favours the brave.
Why did durcan kick short ,Yes it was a poor.kick,but kerry forced him do that as moran cleaned up at midfield and kerry forwards forced them to go short.Its called a Plan.
Kerry had two other clear goal chances,Donaghy could have got a penalty also.
All year you said i was too harsh on cuthbhert,you tried like others to convince me,give him time,im too harsh,i was never a fan etc etc,tried to convince me in may dualism wasnt cuthbherts call,and he would end it,look where we are at now eh Archer??
What do we do waste another year fooling nobody but ourselves.
We need realism not ah we never the breaks.That mantra hardly served cork well in the past in fairness.
I heard it all,you criticse kerry for not giving a monkies with the league.Eammon was dead right,just stay up ,build a team for championship better than corks joke shop winning a mickey mouse mcgrath cup,beating piss poor teams like westmesth,kildare thinking were great,ignoring the warnings v derry,mayo and dublin.
Kerry are not a disgrace,they priortise all irelands as their holy grail,and imo rather than begrude them,we should aspire to be like them and envy what they achieved in the minor and senior.
What next when cuthbhert fails dismally next year,you will harp on like last year,you said we need an outside manager, shamefully ignoring the talents of eammon ryan,keith ricken,ned english,john cleary,james mccarthy ,billy morgan,gene o.driscoll ,sean hayes etc
And fitzmaurice was typical yerra.,we had the luck,a.myth like Brian cody says I dont do tactics.
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Give up with the abuse thinkstoomuch. This is why you are the most annoying person when you're like this. I expressed an opinion. I think you come out with some interesting points but being honest you are pretty much delusional when it comes to other areas.thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Ah sweet divine jesus are you actually for real Archer,no offence geuinely,but what a load of rubbish.
Your trying to convince me kerry were lucky v cork,if we had a goal went six up,we would have won.
For sweet jesus get real,kerry dont do panic,and would have clawed back that lead,simply cork had no midfield no plan.
They would truly love you in the county board,we didnt get the breaks,but.next time with a bit of luck we may .
I suggest you watch that game again,kerry dominated us in every aera.
Also can you gurantee cork would have got this so called penalty ,john hayes likely to take it and miss it.
You need to let the kerry begrudery go ,and see what stares you in the face.All year you told us kerry were gone,cork had no fears etc.
Kerry had a plan,yes they got a few soft decisions,but they won the all ireland as they had the best team,fortune favours the brave.
Why did durcan kick short ,Yes it was a poor.kick,but kerry forced him do that as moran cleaned up at midfield and kerry forwards forced them to go short.Its called a Plan.
Kerry had two other clear goal chances,Donaghy could have got a penalty also.
All year you said i was too harsh on cuthbhert,you tried like others to convince me,give him time,im too harsh,i was never a fan etc etc,tried to convince me in may dualism wasnt cuthbherts call,and he would end it,look where we are at now eh Archer??
What do we do waste another year fooling nobody but ourselves.
We need realism not ah we never the breaks.That mantra hardly served cork well in the past in fairness.
I heard it all,you criticse kerry for not giving a monkies with the league.Eammon was dead right,just stay up ,build a team for championship better than corks joke shop winning a mickey mouse mcgrath cup,beating piss poor teams like westmesth,kildare thinking were great,ignoring the warnings v derry,mayo and dublin.
Kerry are not a disgrace,they priortise all irelands as their holy grail,and imo rather than begrude them,we should aspire to be like them and envy what they achieved in the minor and senior.
What next when cuthbhert fails dismally next year,you will harp on like last year,you said we need an outside manager, shamefully ignoring the talents of eammon ryan,keith ricken,ned english,john cleary,james mccarthy ,billy morgan,gene o.driscoll ,sean hayes etc
And fitzmaurice was typical yerra.,we had the luck,a.myth like Brian cody says I dont do tactics.
There just playing down their teams.
Luck will not win you an All-Ireland but at times you need luck. I did not suggest that it was only luck that won the All-Ireland for Kerry! Read the posts, will ya!!!!!
I was wrong about Cuthbert. I gave him the year to prove himself. I am not defending him anymore. So shut up about that now. You don't need to keep reminding someone that they got a call wrong!!!!0 -
Well slingrez,it no suprise at this stage me and you have quite different views,Personally ,i feel i.have a higher standard,just my opionion how i rate players,and teams success as actual success.
Kelly was superb yesterday,actually the score,examiner,echo,radio today all said it.
Now if you think buckley was good on him,imo your views on good centre back play are debatable to say the least.
Laoire isnt a centre forward,and actually fought til the end.
Shorten who you try and convince is cork standard before was awful,even muskerry lads said it.
Dorgan yes you got that right was good but dont get carried away,not intercounty,lets keep it real.
Gould i said was excellent but i would drop him from the cork panel as too many times for cork.in big games hes goes missing.
I respect admire,your a muskerry man,but we cant have 8 lads on a cork team etc just cause their muskerry.Cian kiely was superb.
You dont hear me advocating all north cork lads,as at the end of the day ,club loyalty must go out the window,all that matters is imo whats right for cork football going forward0 -
There was no abuse here archer,anyone can see that.Like people say cusack had an agenda,just when he spoke.
Just admantly pointing out your views are incorrect and purely your view cork were unlucky v erry as rubbish.In fact you want to bring luck in to it,cork were lucky we had kerry at home,gooch,was absent,lucky we got sligo in a qualifer,lucky munster was seeded,we got to a munster final,lucky to beat tipp and damn lucky we played mayo,with just one forward than dublin or donegal
.I pointed it out simply as you accused me many times of being no fan on cuthbhert.
I mentioned your views on an outside manager,simply as imo ,it.would be a shame to waste talent imo ,in ignoring top cork coaches by bringieng in an outside coach
I know how donal og feels,seen as the bad guy when not at all,he just speaks the truth.
Of course when i done the same before i was accused of the same.
I am just being realistc,im sorry if it sounds harsh but this lark,we need lucky breaks wont serve cork well.
I would have a view that is realistic.yes harsh at times,but my views are not as annoying to some as where the dressing up of mediocre results,poor defeats as just unlucky ,is a views some would find annoying,more than down to earth,realistic assements.
Thats the story of cork,dare not crtiicise
Its not a case of being right or wrong,what counts is whats right for cork football.
people with your attuide amazes me,im sternly criticised many times,for calling a spade a spade all year,yet you an avid fan of cuthbhert,dont want to hear anything ,now,you admit he was poor,you tell me shut up.
It remind me of the cork county board ,fast enough to talk their own talk ,they tell people to shut up,move along,just cause they dont like whats said,they dont do debate .
Thats constructive all right ,just what cork gaa needs.
You say you praised fitzmaurice ,half and half imo,a lot of critisim there bout treating the league poorly.
Its like you praised him one minute for a terrific year but then took value out of it for not treating games v us etc seriously.
My views i would argue are far from delusional,realstic I would counter debate them as .
As you said just an opinion.
A huge game in the minor replay,sars v killeagh st itas anyone going to it for a match report please?0 -
Tonights u 21 final cancelled newtown v charville,just two hours before throw in,very short notice.0
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Tonights u 21 final cancelled newtown v charville,just two hours before throw in,very short notice.
I heard Charlevillle informed the board when fixture was made that they would not play 96 hrs before county intermediate semi final. I think they are right as they have a lot of u21s on intermediate team. Only for hearing it on county sound today I would have ended up in mallow tonite.0 -
I agree
Yeah charville were right ,i just saw it on twitter,but awful timing ,i missed the minor game,i thought this was going ahead .
Newtown gaa is usally good on twitter before you travel to match id recommend check save you a journey0 -
I'd say Cork GAA is going to come close to boiling point in the next few weeks.
Meant to be serious frustration at the football setup and if whats being said is true I'd say a number of the panel could walk. They must surely be saying to themselves whats the point.
Kerry winning yesterday is going to raise all kinds of pressure on the CCB and the hurling famine is going to do something similar.
The shamrocks delegate asking questions could be the first of many.0 -
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I know of one senior player seriously considering hes future.
I said it a few weeks ago ,but i wont name a name as nothing is confirmed yet,could be just talk.
I would like to believe you shockframe but the cork delegates will do nothing,like limerick delgates,when push comes to shove wont rock the boat
You see the delegates could unite,they would be unstoppable,as the board can ill afford another controversy with the pairc and ss cusack said stadium of mediocrity being done.
Like when a poltican is canvassing,that the time to make demands
Some of what i heard,its just unbeåievable what went on this year.0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »I know of one senior player seriously considering hes future.
I said it a few weeks ago ,but i wont name a name as nothing is confirmed yet,could be just talk.
I would like to believe you shockframe but the cork delegates will do nothing,like limerick delgates,when push comes to shove wont rock the boat
You see the delegates could unite,they would be unstoppable,as the board can ill afford another controversy with the pairc and ss cusack said stadium of mediocrity being done.
Like when a poltican is canvassing,that the time to make demands
Some of what i heard,its just unbeåievable what went on this year.
As bad and all as Limerick can be Cork are still the yardstick for Mickey Mouse County Boards.
Thing is though both Cork senior teams have rarely ever been in as bad a state at the same time. Even when hurling was weak a football team would ome through and vice versa. Not the case anymore.
You say they wont rock the boat, I'd say cusack and the last county board meeting is a sign of things to come.
Clubs will want to avoid sanctions (god it's like apartheid!) but if they make a stand theres no way Frank and Co can punish them all.
Players are gonna break their silence I reckon. No way anyone is going to put up with that setup if things are as bad as they say. Players are getting through many other important things in life college, building houses, getting married, bringing up kids. Would you really want to be apart of a setup that is a beaten docket. I know I wouldnt.0 -
Sars win the Premier 1 minor replay, 3-12 to 2-14. wasn't there but it must have been another classic0
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shockframe wrote: »I'd say Cork GAA is going to come close to boiling point in the next few weeks.
Meant to be serious frustration at the football setup and if whats being said is true I'd say a number of the panel could walk. They must surely be saying to themselves whats the point.
Kerry winning yesterday is going to raise all kinds of pressure on the CCB and the hurling famine is going to do something similar.
The shamrocks delegate asking questions could be the first of many.
I would love to think you are right shock, I have heard it from multiple sources about how bad things got this year with Cuthbert. I understand the great men from 2010 canty and noelie in particular rang the players in the week coming up to the mayo game and told them to give it everything and that's why we got the effort at least.
I understand there is real frustration with the dual players and the fact that 2 at least missed a lot of training while the third was able to attend. There was an element of control/head mastering imposed on the squad that was ignorant of well trained/motivated players and the worst of all there was a real feeling that Cuthbert was cutting corners with the resources necessary to prepare a squad ala Kerry or Donegal fro example. That compounds the fact the management team this year were out of their depth on the line.
Will the players try and sort this out, I wonder, most of these fellas are quiet enough lads who just want to represent cork to their best, I think fellas will simply walk away and cork football will be in a much weaker place AGAIN. For people interested its fairly depressing0 -
Cork are leaders but the shambles in limerick last week shows there not far behind
I dont think delegates will change,you even see at times here,the view is dont criticise ,blame things we cant control like luck,or how good others are ,rather than controlling what we can in our house
The shocking think is no one in the cork media,ex pundit ,says what it is,it takes eammon sweeney in the indo to,and mike foley at times to touch on cork problems ,.
The great mick slocum,ex selector fast to back cuthbhert,yet nothing about the poor year.
I wouldnt mind but slocum record with the barrs ,poor ,tony leahy done better with them.
Sarah o donovan in fairness,ex camoige ,was one of few to go against duaåism in may,and is ruthless in her brillant articles.
Another very good report on the kerry match in todays paper by her
Sars won the county minor by a point.
Sean what your views on English?0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Cork are leaders but the shambles in limerick last week shows there not far behind
I dont think delegates will change,you even see at times here,the view is dont criticise ,blame things we cant control like luck,or how good others are ,rather than controlling what we can in our house
The shocking think is no one in the cork media,ex pundit ,says what it is,it takes eammon sweeney in the indo to,and mike foley at times to touch on cork problems ,.
The great mick slocum,ex selector fast to back cuthbhert,yet nothing about the poor year.
I wouldnt mind but slocum record with the barrs ,poor ,tony leahy done better with them.
Sarah o donovan in fairness,ex camoige ,was one of few to go against duaåism in may,and is ruthless in her brillant articles.
Another very good report on the kerry match in todays paper by her
Sars won the county minor by a point.
Sean what your views on English?
TTM, he could only be better, look at what we have now!!!! I saw slocums barrs this year and they were an absolute shambles like his minor teams that won nothing with ..........brian Cuthbert alongside. You couldn't make it up.
Very disappointed with eamon murphy in the echo for not calling it at this stage, but cithbert is good with the media soundbites, just terrible with the players he has. Maybe billy will come out, but the ccb will ignore it, that ignorant ape bob ryan thinks that cork hurling wont be down too long......................10 years and counting!!!!!!!!0 -
Sean you make good points,eammon murphy ,to be fair trys.and at times says the harsh facts,i do like hes,articles.
Sarah o donovan,barry o donovan,are quite good but they are a few imo that just write easy story,dont rock the boat though.
When cuthbhert does go in four years imo,who would you get
What are your views to.outside managers?
Do you think cork were unlucky v kerry this year in we lost as we didnt get the luck etc
You were pretty much right with right with your predications in yje club,scence the weeh outkend
Huge worry for na piarsaigh sunday,darren mannix could miss it
If so have to put gardiner back,gunning at four,then moyinhan at half back imo.0 -
Meant to be touble at sars killeagh match tonight?another side line incident with a manager
John allen is joining carlow as an advisor to their new manager.
I see dublin werent particulary head hunting him.0 -
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You just couldnt make it up , critsing morgan,he won two all irelands in a row,got to six,referee imo cost us a third,won club all irelands, 3 in a row countys with nemo,huge success with ucc ,around 8 munster titles,majiorty with no back door,last cork manager to win in killarney.
In 2007 morgan had,a poor team,the fact got to all ireland was immense.
If he had the 2008 team,would have won an all ireland playing good football.
One of corks greatest managers alongside Eammon ryan.0
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