Irish income "third highest in EU"

Tar.Aldarion

Your reply to his post had nothing got to do with his post whatsoever is what I am saying, you misunderstood it.

Cill Dara Abu

I think you have misunderstood not me, he quoted the Tubridy-Paddy case, and was saying that if Paddy's wages was lowered the average would come down, nothing about Tubridy's coming down.

Tar.Aldarion

No he thanked me because I understand it, which you seem to still not.

mikom

God damn that Tubridy...... always causing arguments.

Cill Dara Abu

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

No he thanked me because I understand it, which you seem to still not.

Who said anything about "thanking" anyone?

Tar.Aldarion

careca11 wrote: »

higher paid people are much , much better paid here than other countries higher paid ...............thus pushing us up the rankings


the whole average wages thing is a joke tho it really distorts the whole picture

average wages in my company are €100,000
yet I earn €31,000 , thats 3 times less the average wage

I'm pretty sure it is both the higher paid people and low income earners pushing it up, and there are much more lower end income earners

enda1

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

What am I smoking????

Get real will you, I work in a company where Directors are earning €100,000+ and I can assure you the real workers get nothing like that, it's high time these people are targeted.

IMO anyone earning €70,000+ should be paying 50% income tax!!

Linky

Here's a little game for you to maybe assuage your irrational sense of entitlement and jealousy towards those who support you.

If you tax the rich - the most financially mobile and aware in society, you will start very quickly to bring in less money than you were with the lower tax rate. It is people like you and me who need to increase our contribution through taxation rather than those who really generate the wealth.

Its probably true that wages need to come down in public sector posts such as in particular the medical professions, but also god forbid, for teachers, gardaí etc. too.

Already caps are coming into place at the top end of the civil service and state/semi-state companies.

Why, morally, do you think they should give more money to the country (percentage wise) than you? Perhaps they can afford to, but what justifies it?

Tar.Aldarion

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Who said anything about "thanking" anyone?

You were saying I did not understand his post when clearly he agrees with me, is what I am saying.

Cill Dara Abu

enda1 wrote: »

Linky

Here's a little game for you to maybe assuage your irrational sense of entitlement and jealousy towards those who support you.

If you tax the rich - the most financially mobile and aware in society, you will start very quickly to bring in less money than you were with the lower tax rate. It is people like you and me who need to increase our contribution through taxation rather than those who really generate the wealth.

Its probably true that wages need to come down in public sector posts such as in particular the medical professions, but also god forbid, for teachers, gardaí etc. too.

Already caps are coming into place at the top end of the civil service and state/semi-state companies.

Why, morally, do you think they should give more money to the country (percentage wise) than you? Perhaps they can afford to, but what justifies it?

You answered your own question there.

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

You were saying I did not understand his post when clearly he agrees with me, is what I am saying.

Oh so if he agrees with your post that means everyone else is aswell?

Tar.Aldarion

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

You answered your own question there.


Oh so if he agrees with your post that means everyone else is aswell?

That sentence does not make sense. What does it matter what other people think?
I said what he meant, he agrees that is what he meant, therefore what you thought he meant is wrong.

enda1

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

You answered your own question there.


Oh so if he agrees with your post that means everyone else is aswell?

I could afford it for you to come into my home and rob my television, laptop and iPod. It wouldn't morally justify it though. Again, what justifies it?

And do you think it would work? Don't you think that the majority of people, those coasting by paying very little towards the society they live in, rather, need to start paying their way a bit more?

Augmerson

miss no stars wrote: »

we aren't that rich, there's just a lot of money passing through Ireland.

GDP = amount of money that comes through the economy
GNP = amount of money that STAYS in the economy (i.e. is available to people living in Ireland).


It says that our GNP is only 20% the GDP. That means that 80% of the wealth generated in Ireland on an annual basis is leaving the country. It is not available for us to spend.

Our GNP certainly would not rank us as highly as the GDP does.

Serious?!

Cill Dara Abu

enda1 wrote: »

I could afford it for you to come into my home and rob my television, laptop and iPod. It wouldn't morally justify it though. Again, what justifies it?

And do you think it would work? Don't you think that the majority of people, those coasting by paying very little towards the society they live in, rather, need to start paying their way a bit more?

Who do you mean by "those coasting by paying very little towards society"?

Suryavarman

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

What am I smoking????

Get real will you, I work in a company where Directors are earning €100,000+ and I can assure you the real workers get nothing like that, it's high time these people are targeted.

IMO anyone earning €70,000+ should be paying 50% income tax!!

Why should they have to pay such a disgusting rate of tax on their income? Whats your reasoning for telling people that the harder they work and more productive they are, the less of their money they deserve to keep?

Cill Dara Abu

Suryavarman wrote: »

Why should they have to pay such a disgusting rate of tax on their income? Whats your reasoning for telling people that the harder they work and more productive they are, the less of their money they deserve to keep?

So you think Tubridy works harder than Paddy?

dpe

While I'm sure it won't stop people foaming at the mouth at the injustice of it all, blah, blah, Ireland is a more "equal" society than the EU average. Look up the "gini coefficient" (its an index of the distribution of income in a country) and you'll see Ireland isn't too bad (its about 21st in the world), ahead of the UK, France, Italy and Spain, behind Germany, Sweden and Denmark.

There does seem to be a deeply-ingrained antipathy towards wealthy people in this country. I wonder why that is?

Cill Dara Abu

What justified Bertie Ahern, Brian Cowen or Enda Kenny earning more than Barack Obama?

RachaelVO

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

What justified Bertie Ahern, Brian Cowen or Enda Kenny earning more than Barack Obama?

Isn't that the winning question, answers on a post card to...

Seriously though, there is nothing to justify the comparison as far as I can see.

Suryavarman

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

So you think Tubridy works harder than Paddy?

Seen as i don't know who Tubridy or Paddy are and i don't know what they do for a living it's a bit hard to tell who works harder. Considering Tubridy earns 50 times as much as Paddy I think it's fair to say that Tubridy's work is far more productive and deserves to be paid more than Paddy and probably many times more than him.

zeusnero

time to head to Amsterdam methinks! (http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/2-21062011-AP/EN/2-21062011-AP-EN.PDF)

Yes, I know Luxembourg is no.1 but there's feck all there

enda1

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Who do you mean by "those coasting by paying very little towards society"?

You answer at least one of my questions and I will answer yours. You have to give something in this society to get something back

dpe

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

What justified Bertie Ahern, Brian Cowen or Enda Kenny earning more than Barack Obama?

Nothing at all. But don't confuse overpaid politicians and civil servants with endemic wealth inequality.

mikom

Suryavarman wrote: »

Considering Tubridy earns 50 times as much as Paddy I think it's fair to say that Tubridy's work is far more productive and deserves to be paid more than Paddy and probably many times more than him.

I disagree.
Unless singing "The wheels on the bus" on the radio counts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoIjQTkmRhE

Einhard

In other news: Many people on this threead don't seem to understand the concept of "average".

Einhard

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

What justified Bertie Ahern, Brian Cowen or Enda Kenny earning more than Barack Obama?

Enda Kenny doesn't earn more than Barack Obama. What justifies you making things up?

iamwhoiam

Suryavarman wrote: »

Seen as i don't know who Tubridy or Paddy are and i don't know what they do for a living it's a bit hard to tell who works harder. Considering Tubridy earns 50 times as much as Paddy I think it's fair to say that Tubridy's work is far more productive and deserves to be paid more than Paddy and probably many times more than him.

You think Tubridys work is more productive than a surgeons or bus driver or carer of kids with special needs ? I dont .

Suryavarman

mikom wrote: »

I disagree.
Unless singing "The wheels on the bus" on the radio counts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoIjQTkmRhE

As cringeworthy as that is, it is still very productive work as it goes towards making money for RTE. Sadly if Paddy were to do that while he was working, it probably wouldn't be productive at all because it wouldn't be making any money for the company he works for.

Einhard

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You think Tubridys work is more productive than a surgeons or bus driver or carer of kids with special needs ? I dont .

Well, I s'pose it depends on how you define productiveness. Obviously, Tubridy isn't saving any lives in what he's doing, but then few of us are. He might though, be making huge amounts of money through advertising for his employers, which is ploughed into other sectors of the organisation, and which he would probably argue justifies his large wages.

Just playing devil's advocate here...

Suryavarman

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You think Tubridys work is more productive than a surgeons or bus driver or carer of kids with special needs ? I dont .

If you don't think it's more productive work, then start paying more for these peoples work or stop people from listening to Tubridy's radio show, until then Tubridy's work is more productive, whether you think so or not, simply because it makes more money.

mikom

Suryavarman wrote: »

As cringeworthy as that is, it is still very productive work as it goes towards making money for RTE. Sadly if Paddy were to do that while he was working, it probably wouldn't be productive at all because it wouldn't be making any money for the company he works for.

Yes Tubridys disastrous JNLR results bear this out.............
His show is hemorrhaging listeners, so please try again.