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CrackisWhack wrote: »I don't see how that is relevant to this thread?
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It was a direct reply to your post 196 0 -
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Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »I don't see many posters consistently supporting the state terrorism of Gaddaffi and Mubarak. That's why there are so many threads on the issue, because there are people defending Israel's actions.
I dont quite see the logic here ? Most threads tend to be anti israeli so does this mean if nobody defended Israel or criticised hamas etc, there would be so many threads on the subject ? 0 -
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I dont quite see the logic here ? Most threads tend to be anti israeli so does this mean if nobody defended Israel or criticised hamas etc, there would be so many threads on the subject ?
There would be less, because threads would be boring and repetitive without any form of debate.0 -
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Let me offer one general comment; the US is beginning a long process of disengagement from its position of being the number one power for mainly economic reasons and is resigned to being second to China in the not too distant future. The US's stand off position on Libya is a fair indicator of this. China cares nothing for human rights and Gaza and the West Bank have nothing to offer it anyway. The US will continue to support Israel, so people can huff and puff all they like about it, but fewer and fewer people will be listening. The big story from Africa over the next fifty years will be mainly climate change induced migration to Europe. And of course China's intentions as reagrds acquiring and protecting natural resources is one of the freat unkowns. Chinas large investments in Africa over several decades are well known - as people may have noticed, China hasnt spent too much time sinvesting in Gaza/West bank. The world is changing before our eyes and some people just dont seem to have noticed.
And your point is? We might aswell just forget about Palestine? 0 -
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I see there is a letter in Irish Times from PRO of so called 'Irish Anti War Movement ' verbally attacking some Irish Councillor for having the termity to publicly oppose this so called ' flotilla'. Rather ironic that an individual labelling himself as ' Anti War' should take such umbrage at an irish Councillor simply availing of the right to free speech. Still if the Councillor in question had been a Gaza resident who stood up in public to oppose Hamas, then we know what would have happened - for anyone who doesn't YOU Tube provides the answer.Israel control all there air space and sea access, and via past agreement with Egypt, the Egyptians can't just open there border either, and hence the siege.
Neither do you. You only bring Somalia up to distract from the current topic. If you cared you would start a thread, the fact you haven't and constantly bring it up in this one, again shows you could care less, and even if you did start one, it would only be due to people pointing out the fact you don't care.
And yet here you are posting.......
The only person you can speak for is yourself, and it should be pointed out, you were talking about anything but the topic half time, like you always do....
AS for humanitarian aid, I am told that driving a new BMW or SUV is quite the thing to do in GAZA and there is no shortage of these imported vehicles for sale there.
Here is an article from the Guardian, which as you know is favourable to the situation in Gaza carrying an interesting article on an Entrepeneur in GAZA. Nice swimming pool - of course not in my wildest dreams could I afford a swimming pool.
In closing I am wondering, did they ever find any of the billions in ' vital financial aid' Araffat stashed in off shore accounts ?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/10/gaza-oil0 -
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I see there is a letter in Irish Times from PRO of so called 'Irish Anti War Movement ' verbally attacking some Irish Councillor for having the termity to publicly oppose this so called ' flotilla'.
Care to provide a link to the letter firstly, as I personally don't trust your version of events. Secondly, what your saying has feck all to do with my post.Rather ironic that an individual labelling himself as ' Anti War' should take such umbrage at an irish Councillor simply availing of the right to free speech.
Free speech is a 2 way street. Someone disagreeing with someone isn't the same as that person disagreeing with the right to free speech, and again considering you posted no link, I find your version of events questionable.Still if the Councillor in question had been a Gaza resident who stood up in public to oppose Hamas, then we know what would have happened - for anyone who doesn't YOU Tube provides the answer.
Ok, and I still not sure how this had anything to do with what I said. You are going off on some random tangent here. Also, no one here pretends that Hamas aren't a bunch of murderous idiots, but we do have people pretending that about the IDF.AS for humanitarian aid, I am told that driving a new BMW or SUV is quite the thing to do in GAZA and there is no shortage of these imported vehicles for sale there.
Vehicles are smuggled in piece by piece, and as for there being no shortage, that is a laughable claim. I am sure you can provide a link from a reputable source to back up that claim, and also you will need to refute most of the worlds Human Rights orgs claims while you are at it, if you are really claiming there is no Humanitarian crisis, as it stands you are engaged in a rather disgusting denial of the effect of Israel's state terrorism.Here is an article from the Guardian, which as you know is favourable to the situation in Gaza carrying an interesting article on an Entrepeneur in GAZA. Nice swimming pool - of course not in my wildest dreams could I afford a swimming pool.
A single individual managing to make money doesn't refute the fact that the vast majority don't have it nearly as good. Some people in Gaza, have managed to make money from smuggling, and you will always find people who manage to make money even in the worst circumstance. Sure, you will find rich people in plenty of 3rd world countries, but there existences doesn't change the fact that the rest are still dirt poor.
So, as per usual you got nothing, except the same old disgusting denial of the terrible situation the vast majority of Gazans find themselves in.In closing I am wondering, did they ever find any of the billions in ' vital financial aid' Araffat stashed in off shore accounts ?
Which has nothing to do with current thread....... Of course, half of what you posted has nothing to do with this thread.
Also, I notice you decided to ignore my comment about you not starting a thread on Somalia. I would say that only brought up Somalia not because you care, but rather as a tactic of distraction, so you can attack other posters, and defend Israel.0 -
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AS for humanitarian aid, I am told that driving a new BMW or SUV is quite the thing to do in GAZA and there is no shortage of these imported vehicles for sale there.
Here is an article from the Guardian, which as you know is favourable to the situation in Gaza carrying an interesting article on an Entrepeneur in GAZA. Nice swimming pool - of course not in my wildest dreams could I afford a swimming pool.
In closing I am wondering, did they ever find any of the billions in ' vital financial aid' Araffat stashed in off shore accounts ?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/10/gaza-oil
Who told you that ?
Of course there are business people in Gaza who made their fortunes before the siege was slapped on the strip. Just like there are still a fair few millionaires in Ireland who made their money before the crash. many of those still have their huge houses and their swimming pools, hots tubs and several holidays abroad every year. The difference is that our entrepreneurs CAN travel abroad.
A more realistic and honest picture of smuggled cars in Gaza in the article below.There are very few new cars in Gaza. Locals estimate that only around 200 have been smuggled in through the tunnels in the past three years.
In the past, cars were cut up to smuggle them though narrower tunnels. But the tunnels have now been widened.
The lack of new cars means many cars in Gaza have seen better days.
It is not uncommon to see cars 20 or 30 years old belching black smoke from the exhaust.
Many Gazans resort to re-spraying old cars to make them look new.
In a busy paint shop just outside Gaza, workers in face masks are sanding down the bodywork of old cars before repainting them.
"Lots of people come back here over and over again," says Mohammed who works in the paint shop. "Some of the cars are 30 years old."
The number of motorbikes in Gaza has risen dramatically in the past three years because they are easier to smuggle.
There are still new car dealers in Gaza, but their showrooms are virtually empty.
Marwan Kishawi's family has been dealing Mercedes cars in Gaza City for more than 40 years.
Mohamed's car garage
Mohamed's paint shop does a thriving business
"Now we only have one car in the showroom," he says pointing at a bright yellow stretch taxi limousine.
"I have had this car for seven years. I have had many offers to buy it, but I can't sell it because it is the only new car I have to put on display."
Mr Kishawi says he used to import more than 100 cars a year from Israel, as well as $300,000 (£200,000) worth of parts a year.
Mr Kishawi says he cannot bring his cars in through the tunnels because they are too valuable and his suppliers at Mercedes will not allow it to happen.
He says he is spending thousands of dollars to keep the cars he has bought in storage at the border because Israel and Egypt will not allow them in.
"I haven't sold a new car for almost three years," he says, shaking with frustration. "It's desperate now."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8608376.stm0 -
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