Ireland set to force ISPs To disconnect pirates

James Forde

I prefer this version

http://dagobah.net/flash/Pirate_full.swf

u140acro3xs7dm

I better go and download the whole internet before this law comes in.

Red Alert

Fine Gael couldn't wait to get this in Going to write to my local TD's.

Yahew

Red Alert wrote: »

Fine Gael couldn't wait to get this in Going to write to my local TD's.

Ah, the world's first "I am in favour of theft" letter to a member of parliament.

Worth a shot, I suppose.

Yahew

ISPs are not like telephone companies, as they already charge or control for people's bandwidth, and can therefore control for peer-peer. You cant do a little bit of regulation, if you do some, you can do all.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Everyone is suffering from this-

Indie record stores are getting hammering from tescos so blame downloading instead.

Someone releases a shíte record which doesnt sell so blame downloading instead.

Buy a good second hand cd from amazon so blame downloading instead.

philologos

Meh. I think if they provided easy access of music and video with advertising they'd make a huge profit. Free web streaming of music and movies with adverts in between would make far more for companies than this strategy. The amount of traffic would give way more impressions.

Yahew

philologos wrote: »

Meh. I think if they provided easy access of music and video with advertising they'd make a huge profit. Free web streaming of music and movies with adverts in between would make far more for companies than this strategy. The amount of traffic would give way more impressions.

There is too much music, and too few adds.

R P McMurphy

Couldn't care less because I have a tape casette and recorder and can still record form the radio

philologos

Yahew wrote: »

There is too much music, and too few adds.

What do you mean? Put the music in a streamer put a 30 second advert at the start before the music comes in or after every few songs. Or even put it in a banner around the page and use Javascript to switch the ads at the end of every song. It isn't all that difficult.

u140acro3xs7dm

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Couldn't care less because I have a tape casette and recorder and can still record form the radio

Ya have to be fast though, Larry Gogan likes to come in with a few words just before the song ends. The mischievous little scamp!!

Seachmall

“The installation of that filtering and blocking system is a restriction on the right to respect for the privacy of communications and the right to protection of personal data, both of which are rights protected under the Charter of Fundamental Rights” - Cruz Villalón, top legal advisor to the European Court of Justice

They will not be able to implement this without the EU stepping in.

philologos

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Couldn't care less because I have a tape casette and recorder and can still record form the radio

What is this? 1992?

R P McMurphy

philologos wrote: »

What is this? 1992?

Probably more like '86, a vintage year

bleg

It just means I'll listen to less music...

Or use that software that grabs it off youtube and the like!

Yahew

philologos wrote: »

What do you mean? Put the music in a streamer put a 30 second advert at the start before the music comes in or after every few songs. Or even put it in a banner around the page and use Javascript to switch the ads at the end of every song. It isn't all that difficult.

I wasn't talking about technical details. That's been solved.

There isn't enough ad revenue to make up for lost sale revenue were everything free. The amount of advertising budget in the world is not proportional to the amount of songs in the world, nor it is proportional to number of Android apps in the app store.

People with advertising budgets can target magazines, print newspapers (as before); websites, online music - like spotify, online movies, and ad funded apps. There isn't enough budget to fund all of these groups, except the most successful.

Spotify has moved to a sub model for that reason.

u140acro3xs7dm

bleg wrote: »

It just means I'll listen to less music...

Or use that software that grabs it off youtube and the like!

It would mean i might get around to listening to the 100's of Gigs of music that magically appeared on my computer.

omahaid

There is 0% chance of stopping piracy with the stick approach, the carrot approach has a better hope of working. And to try and use technical means to prevent piracy is a waste of time, there is always someone smarter trying to circumvent technical restrictions.

Del2005

The thing which annoys me most about DVDs, I've moved on from disks so don't know about Bluray, was the fact that they forced the legitimate user of the disc to watch a 5 minute anti piracy ad. F*** Off I've paid good money for this disc yet have to watch some crap telling me not to steal, which you can't skip, so the only way not to see the anti piracy is to pirate:D


I've a DVR and generally record most shows or if I want to watch something that's on I'll do something else for 15 minutes and rewind. I then skip all the ads, is this also stealing? And when will my TV be cut off for not watching ads?

maglite

Proposed Tax on internet in manifesto, Now lets monitor and ban people from the internet if we don't like what they are up to.


Lol @ China noobs.

amen

If this goes through this is really slipper slope both for the ISP, consumer and the government.

After the record companies you will have book companies wanting the same.
Then newspapers such as the New York Times who are behind paywalls etc so basically you can end up with a form of censorship.

Then when someone gets murdered by someone who got some information from the web they will sue the ISP/Government on the basis that they can stop/track those illegally downloading music so they should have stopped those accessing illegal material.

Of course someone should really take a case against An Post for delivering CDs/DVD/Books without recording who they were delivered to and where they came from as after all AnPost could be delivering illegal copies of CDs/DVD and they also have common carrier status.

Coriolanus

Haha, good luck catching me fúckers,I've got seven boxxies.

Vicxas

Most people will scramble their IP address if this comes through.

philologos

Vicxas wrote: »

Most people will scramble their IP address if this comes through.

Or use SSH tunnelling, or better still use VPS's to download and SFTP it back to ones own machine. There are many ways to get around such ISP bans.

It's up to people like the RIAA and other organisations to give people good alternatives. Streaming music and video services seem to be the best way of bringing the legal industry forward.

Captcha

LighterGuy wrote: »

True but lets be honest, torrents are 99.9 percent used for downloading illegal things :pac:

But this law is a joke alright. Theres downloading in every country in the world. Trust the Irish government to give this silly thing the greenlight.

Wrong, BBC Iplyer is using torrent.

Mark200

dillo2k10 wrote: »

I dont see how they could do this. It would be like o2 telling you that you are not allowed to call certain people because you may be buying drugs from them. The ISP's ain't responsible. Also torrents are not only used for illegal stuff.

Well in fairness, that isn't an accurate comparison because you can't send the drugs through O2's network.

Celly Smunt

TimeToShine wrote: »

moar proxies gentlemen

i think i'd rather purchase than wait for a download through proxy

PseudoFamous

Captcha wrote: »

Wrong, BBC Iplyer is using torrent.

How exactly does it go about doing that? I was under the impression that one did not upload during use of iplayer, so it's not exactly traditional P2P if the BBC servers are doing all the work, and is more a streaming service, similar to youtube. Torrents also don't typically upload chunks sequentially, so I'm going to go out on a wing and argue that BBC Iplayer does not use torrent, though I'm open to correction.

Finally, According to Wikipedia (Wow, trustworthy), the BBC iplayer is based on RealPlayer, and AFAIK that does not use any form of torrenting.

Blowfish

Captcha wrote: »

Wrong, BBC Iplyer is using torrent.

The iplayer uses the RTMP protocol, same as Hulu etc, not the BitTorrent protocol.

Ken.

On the plus side i can see the tech section of boards getting a lot busier if it comes in.