Ireland set to force ISPs To disconnect pirates

amen

If this goes through this is really slipper slope both for the ISP, consumer and the government.

After the record companies you will have book companies wanting the same.
Then newspapers such as the New York Times who are behind paywalls etc so basically you can end up with a form of censorship.

Then when someone gets murdered by someone who got some information from the web they will sue the ISP/Government on the basis that they can stop/track those illegally downloading music so they should have stopped those accessing illegal material.

Of course someone should really take a case against An Post for delivering CDs/DVD/Books without recording who they were delivered to and where they came from as after all AnPost could be delivering illegal copies of CDs/DVD and they also have common carrier status.

Coriolanus

Haha, good luck catching me fúckers,I've got seven boxxies.

Vicxas

Most people will scramble their IP address if this comes through.

philologos

Vicxas wrote: »

Most people will scramble their IP address if this comes through.

Or use SSH tunnelling, or better still use VPS's to download and SFTP it back to ones own machine. There are many ways to get around such ISP bans.

It's up to people like the RIAA and other organisations to give people good alternatives. Streaming music and video services seem to be the best way of bringing the legal industry forward.

Captcha

LighterGuy wrote: »

True but lets be honest, torrents are 99.9 percent used for downloading illegal things :pac:

But this law is a joke alright. Theres downloading in every country in the world. Trust the Irish government to give this silly thing the greenlight.

Wrong, BBC Iplyer is using torrent.

Mark200

dillo2k10 wrote: »

I dont see how they could do this. It would be like o2 telling you that you are not allowed to call certain people because you may be buying drugs from them. The ISP's ain't responsible. Also torrents are not only used for illegal stuff.

Well in fairness, that isn't an accurate comparison because you can't send the drugs through O2's network.

Celly Smunt

TimeToShine wrote: »

moar proxies gentlemen

i think i'd rather purchase than wait for a download through proxy

PseudoFamous

Captcha wrote: »

Wrong, BBC Iplyer is using torrent.

How exactly does it go about doing that? I was under the impression that one did not upload during use of iplayer, so it's not exactly traditional P2P if the BBC servers are doing all the work, and is more a streaming service, similar to youtube. Torrents also don't typically upload chunks sequentially, so I'm going to go out on a wing and argue that BBC Iplayer does not use torrent, though I'm open to correction.

Finally, According to Wikipedia (Wow, trustworthy), the BBC iplayer is based on RealPlayer, and AFAIK that does not use any form of torrenting.

Blowfish

Captcha wrote: »

Wrong, BBC Iplyer is using torrent.

The iplayer uses the RTMP protocol, same as Hulu etc, not the BitTorrent protocol.

Ken.

On the plus side i can see the tech section of boards getting a lot busier if it comes in.

xOxSinéadxOx

I'm with Eircom and illegally download all the time, no problems.

Captcha

Blowfish wrote: »

The iplayer uses the RTMP protocol, same as Hulu etc, not the BitTorrent protocol.

Similarish.

Captcha

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LighterGuy

lucyfur09 wrote: »

On the plus side i can see the tech section of boards getting a lot busier if it comes in.

Too true :pac:
I mean this is silly. Take an average user. Sends emails, checks facebook, uses bittorrent to download and even then doesnt know much about how it works. All this would do is just wise him up to do a bit of research and find a way around it.

Eircom / ntl / other Internet Service Providers really should do what they can so this doesnt come in. It effects their interests. Lets be honest, why do so many offer "high speed broadband" like, how fast do you need to load facebook, youtube etc And all this crap talk about to download "legal music, games or movies" is BS. They know why people wanna get the high speed BB connection.

BlastedGlute

Not used torrent sin years, not likely to either. Rapidshare,fileserve etc and the right warez forums and your away in a manger. Let them block P2P, couldn't care less. It's taken them this long to find a way to introduce a law to get some control over direct p2p and torrenting. Imagine when they find out....there are other ways.....

F.U.B.A.R

this is just like the water charges. Their looseing money in a outdated system so their going to charge the fcuk out of everyone besides those that are involved! Aw Iam sorry Lars Ulrick (Metallica) couldnt you afford to finish your 24carrot Gold plated swimming pool???? Boo bloody hoooo!!!! :mad:

F.U.B.A.R

Also why sutch a huge focus on Ireland??? we must have the worst Internet srvice providers in the world :pac::mad::pac:

BlastedGlute

F.U.B.A.R wrote: »

Also why sutch a huge focus on Ireland??? we must have the worst Internet srvice providers in the world :pac::mad::pac:

Well we took out a loan there a few weeks ago. I forget how much for but it was a few bob and we're just hoping people will spend their hard earned cash on music now instead. They dont realize how lazy people are and how little we irish might actually be downloading.a lot of people are content with just lashing around on youtube for a bit or putting on some net radio station. I know I am. They really think this will be a money pot, we'll there's a million other distractions out there other than ****e modern music and we're not likely to pour our pockets into it like back in the old days.

Dman001

You can't beat Piracy. People are always going to find a work around, no matter what restrictions are put in place. It doesn't matter what free, ad-supported, legal services are available either. People are still going to Pirate because it's free.

We are living in a world where a TV Show broadcast in the US is available just hours after it's original broadcast, ad-free and in crystal clear HD, and 100% free. You can't beat that.

I still don't fully believe the argument that people wouldn't Pirate if there was an free, ad-supported service available. At best, it would slightly reduce Piracy.

There are several free, ad-supported music streaming Websites available, such as Spotify,We7, Vevo and even Youtube. And they work. They make money through Ads, but not a huge amount I'd imagine. But, at the end of the day, people want to take their music with them on the go and these services aren't available on Mobile Devices for free. Could they make a viable, free service for Mobile Devices? I can't see why not. Will they? Nope, few would ever purchase music again. It would give people very little reason to buy thise 99c songs on iTunes or the likes. Does it matter? Not really, because even if there was such a service, people will still Torrent their music cos it's ad-free and costs nothing.

Also, i agree how ridiculous it is watching a DVD. You purchase a film and you are bombarded with unskipable ads and Trailers, along with that Piracy ad. You can't beat the ease of DVRs. Record what you want, no messing with discs, you pause the film and re-play it at anytime from where you left off.

Trevor451

Dman001 wrote: »

You can't beat Piracy. People are always going to find a work around, no matter what restrictions are put in place. It doesn't matter what free, ad-supported, legal services are available either. People are still going to Pirate because it's free.

We are living in a world where a TV Show broadcast in the US is available just hours after it's original broadcast, ad-free and in crystal clear HD, and 100% free. You can't beat that.

I still don't fully believe the argument that people wouldn't Pirate if there was an free, ad-supported service available. At best, it would slightly reduce Piracy.

There are several free, ad-supported music streaming Websites available, such as Spotify,We7, Vevo and even Youtube. And they work. They make money through Ads, but not a huge amount I'd imagine. But, at the end of the day, people want to take their music with them on the go and these services aren't available on Mobile Devices for free. Could they make a viable, free service for Mobile Devices? I can't see why not. Will they? Nope, few would ever purchase music again. It would give people very little reason to buy thise 99c songs on iTunes or the likes. Does it matter? Not really, because even if there was such a service, people will still Torrent their music cos it's ad-free and costs nothing.

Also, i agree how ridiculous it is watching a DVD. You purchase a film and you are bombarded with unskipable ads and Trailers, along with that Piracy ad. You can't beat the ease of DVRs. Record what you want, no messing with discs, you pause the film and re-play it at anytime from where you left off.

the record company's make a killing off ad revenues on youtube.

Amhran Nua

Yahew wrote: »

Ah, the world's first "I am in favour of theft" letter to a member of parliament.

Worth a shot, I suppose.

Nope, just a letter explaining that the ISPs are not judge and jury (safe harbour provisions), there already exists a legal process to get users disconnected, and the European Parliament has repeatedly struck down versions of these three strikes laws.

If this is challenged and it surely will be, there's no way the ECJ will allow it.

Write to your TDs anyway though, this sort of thing doesn't happen by itself. Go on, do it.

Amhran Nua

Yahew wrote: »

ISPs are not like telephone companies, as they already charge or control for people's bandwidth

What? Phone companies charge for making phone calls too. That's why we have safe harbour. No amount of warbling by the erectile-dysfunctionals in the record companies and their sycophants will change that.

I wouldn't support piracy myself, there's no legitimate excuse for it (although I'd reduce copyright terms to their original 12 years, public domain thereafter), but we must have the rule of law.

Fukuyama

The days of rock and roll stars being paid a fortune are over I'm afraid.

If I were a musician I'd just be happy that thousands of people like my music. And, if I'm good enough then I'll earn a decent living through gigs, concerts, events and advertising.

They're selfish.

Art had it's day during the Rennaisance. Literature had its day during the 19th century. Music had its day in the 20th century.

Now, if anyone wants to become an artist, writer or musician, then they have to actually work hard and be very good at it and will be paid a pretty good wage. But not hundreds of millions. :rolleyes:

Einhard

For the people who say, you can't beat piracy so why bother....well much the same could be said of murder, or assault or any other crime. Should we stop prosecuting them because we're never going to eradicate them?

Einhard

Dean0088 wrote: »

Art had it's day during the Rennaisance. Literature had its day during the 19th century. Music had its day in the 20th century.

Yeah, because art stopped after the Renaissance, and literature ended in 1901.

Dimithy

Einhard wrote: »

For the people who say, you can't beat piracy so why bother....well much the same could be said of murder, or assault or any other crime. Should we stop prosecuting them because we're never going to eradicate them?

No, but we need to introduce areas where you can rape, murder and steal without the risk of prosecution, but you have to watch ads every 15 minutes.
Rape and murder is always going to exist, so we need to figure out a way of making some money off them.
Im sure it would also attract some tourism.

Yahew

Dimithy wrote: »

Einhard wrote: »

For the people who say, you can't beat piracy so why bother....well much the same could be said of murder, or assault or any other crime. Should we stop prosecuting them because we're never going to eradicate them?

No, but we need to introduce areas where you can rape, murder and steal without the rick of prosecution, but you have to watch ads every 15 minutes.
Rape and murder is always going to exist, so we need to figure out a way of making some money off them.
Im sure it would also attract some tourism.

I know you think that makes sense but doesn't. Nobody is going to legalise and monetize violent crime, however to monetize theft is to try to stop thievery.

Einhard

Yahew wrote: »

I know you think that makes sense but doesn't. Nobody is going to legalise and monetize violent crime, however to monetize theft is to try to stop thievery.

I know you think that makes sense but doesn't.

Captain Darling

This law be crap, says i.

Yahew

Einhard wrote: »

Yahew wrote: »

I know you think that makes sense but doesn't. Nobody is going to legalise and monetize violent crime, however to monetize theft is to try to stop thievery.

I know you think that makes sense but doesn't.

Oh FFs. To end theft is to get people to pay.

Einhard

Yahew wrote: »

Oh FFs. To end theft is to get people to pay.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I am very hungover, so maybe it's my fault. But "to monetize theft is to try to stop thievery" doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Monetising theft isn't the same thing as charging somebody for something.

Yahew

Einhard wrote: »

Yahew wrote: »

Oh FFs. To end theft is to get people to pay.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I am very hungover, so maybe it's my fault. But "to monetize theft is to try to stop thievery" doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Monetising theft isn't the same thing as charging somebody for something.

Ok. The guy who replied to you took your argument about how we should prosecute murder even though it would never stop all murders and said , sarcastically, that we should make it legal by having ads every 10 minutes. I said nobody is going to make money from violent crime, legally, but - in an admittedly awkward choice of words - we could morally try to monetize theft. Basically I mean ending theft by getting people, or advertisers to pay.

Of course, then it isn't theft.

There is a way to monetize from previously stolen content however - Apple's new iTunes match allows people to play their entire content on the iPhone whether bought on iTunes or not. It could be ripped, it could be torrented. Pay $25 a year and apple will match the song on your computer with a 256kps version in the cloud. Clearly this is more useful for people with lots of music and lots of inferior copies.

Phill Ewinn

Without free porn the internet dream of a network connecting most people would be dead. Downloading stuff from the internets is another incentive for giving good money to ISPs to provide you with a mediocre service. So what we have here is aload of carrots and no donkeys. Thats a problem for a clever businessman to solve. If such a thing exists.

Phill Ewinn

I'd like to say also that this is about control. Handing over control of the web to some media company so they can do as they please is a bad idea. In fact giving them any control only lends them to wanting more. Given half a chance they' d sell your the internet back to you. I reckon most of the people pushing this are scum and just want control to make money not protect profits.

Blowfish

Dean0088 wrote: »

The days of rock and roll stars being paid a fortune are over I'm afraid.

If I were a musician I'd just be happy that thousands of people like my music. And, if I'm good enough then I'll earn a decent living through gigs, concerts, events and advertising.

They're selfish.

Art had it's day during the Rennaisance. Literature had its day during the 19th century. Music had its day in the 20th century.

Now, if anyone wants to become an artist, writer or musician, then they have to actually work hard and be very good at it and will be paid a pretty good wage. But not hundreds of millions. :rolleyes:

Not necessarily, the artists can still make ridiculous amounts through tours etc. It's the middle man whole lose the most, i.e. the record companies.

Instead of actually trying to adapt to the reality of distribution on the internet, they've tried (and are still trying) to fight it.

If they'd had any sense and tried to go with it, they'd be the ones running the equivalent of iTunes, Netflix and Steam, which are all ridiculously profitable despite piracy.

Captcha

BlastedGlute wrote: »

Well we took out a loan there a few weeks ago. I forget how much for but it was a few bob and we're just hoping people will spend their hard earned cash on music now instead. They dont realize how lazy people are and how little we irish might actually be downloading.a lot of people are content with just lashing around on youtube for a bit or putting on some net radio station. I know I am. They really think this will be a money pot, we'll there's a million other distractions out there other than ****e modern music and we're not likely to pour our pockets into it like back in the old days.

Id say they want to get it in here so that they have a case to bring it in for other countries. They will try to bring into the UK but TalkTalk & BT took them to court and fought it off. I believe they might still be fighting it.

Basically they see the Irish as a pushover idiot nanny state and if they bring it in here easily they will use it to show other countries that they should do it it.

Anyone with half a brain would look at Ireland for letting this policy take effect and say damn those stupid dumb docile Irish.

squod

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

I'd like to say also that this is about control. Handing over control of the web to some media company so they can do as they please is a bad idea. In fact giving them any control only lends them to wanting more. Given half a chance they' d sell your the internet back to you. I reckon most of the people pushing this are scum and just want control to make money not protect profits.

Exactly. Having any kind of influence does give them opportunity and will lead to them controlling enough of the internets for them to start fleecing us. Cut the cnuts off at the ankles with this IMO.

Mike 1972

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Couldn't care less because I have a tape casette and recorder and can still record form the radio

Most of the shyte they play on the radio these days isint worth the price of a blank tape TBH

lecker Hendl

I only saw piratebay for the first time the other day. I'm currently using my neighbours wifi and so far it's been good to me with the downloads. Screw you eircon for never allowing me access.

marcsignal

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Couldn't care less because I have a tape casette and recorder and can still record form the radio

I use the cyber version of same, and it works pretty well.

If you use sound forge, there is a driver you can download that allows you to use the software to record 'what you hear' coming into your machine, ie: what you hear over your pc speakers.

If I'm looking for a particular song, I go on to we7 or grooveshark and search for the song. Then I simply play the song, and record it using this technique, and save it as mp3 or whatever format you want.

Granted, it's real time, so recording an entire album takes as long as it takes to play it. The quality is usually at least 128kps, it's digital, and because you're not actually downloading anything, you're covered in that respect.

Try it, it works just fine

Camackaze

lecker Hendl wrote: »

I only saw piratebay for the first time the other day. I'm currently using my neighbours wifi and so far it's been good to me with the downloads. Screw you eircon for never allowing me access.

So you're using your neighbours internet to illegally download stuff? Now that's proper pikey!

Dman001

Trevor451 wrote: »

the record company's make a killing off ad revenues on youtube.

This is part of the problem too. The likes of Youtube generate huge traffic, and I'd imagine their Overheads are quite big. But majority of their ad-revenue goes to the Music Studios and the likes. In 2009 it was making huge losses, so I assume this is still the case. Although ads have become more prominent on the site.

F.U.B.A.R

Camackaze wrote: »

So you're using your neighbours internet to illegally download stuff? Now that's proper pikey!

LMFAO

Eric Cartman

ahh now lads, UPC will be fighting this to the end of time , everyone here (especially ones with UPC broadband) be honest, if you couldnt pirate anything would you even bother paying for the 30 or 100mb package ?

F.U.B.A.R

nope might aswell revert to a shyt dongle if ye cant download

Snowie

ok so

Isp's will now target ileagel vrs leagal data down loads...

The problem is how can they, distinquish ileagal from leagal with cloud based storage being the way of the future people can just sey up drop boxs with with blue rays seasons albums and let people take them down as they feel...

the music industry had it sweet, but it warms my heart that they continue to try force people to bye there music, what ever steps they take there are others we can get around they will never control the DL of content no matter what they do and if you beleive that your clearly not using the internet to your advantage!

Dman001

I'm guessing this new legislation is in relation to the Copyright Law they are trying to change, where they are trying to implement a Fair Use policy when it comes to Copyright material, similar to the US. What it could mean is that it will no longer be strictly illegal to burn our CDs and DVDs to our computers or other devices, or upload a short TV/Movie clip to Youtube. It's one step forward, two steps back.

Trevor451

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ahh now lads, UPC will be fighting this to the end of time , everyone here (especially ones with UPC broadband) be honest, if you couldnt pirate anything would you even bother paying for the 30 or 100mb package ?

I would. I am sure I am not the only the one here that downloads linux torrents 24/7?

dillo2k10

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ahh now lads, UPC will be fighting this to the end of time , everyone here (especially ones with UPC broadband) be honest, if you couldnt pirate anything would you even bother paying for the 30 or 100mb package ?

I would continue to pay for it, I use Graboid instead of torrents, its faster and anything that you can find on a torrent you can find there within a few hours.

lecker Hendl

Camackaze wrote: »

So you're using your neighbours internet to illegally download stuff? Now that's proper pikey!

ya, why not? I also have meteor broadband pay as you go. I'm hardly gonna waste the measly gigabytes on movies when I can get them for free. The neighbour shouldn't have open wifi anyway. They're probably monitoring everything I'm doing.