no free zones

gabdoc

justed opened my 8/12 secure wave panel to find all zones full ,green and white wire in each and all power connected together in a connector.only have 7 pirs covering the whole house and would like to put other in garage,any help.

gabdoc

as you can see first time uploading pic,and last

fred funk }{

You basically have two options gabdoc. You can series two beams together which isn't ideal or buy an expander as Altor recommended before.

I would also recommend you get an expander as there are no free zones.

John Kelly of

dont waste money buying expander. just stick 2 pirs together in same zone.

fred funk }{

The four zone plug-on is fairly cheap. It will give you full zone options for that individual beam where as if two were joined together, what you programme for one you programme for the other too. It can be tricky to fault find too if there's more than one on the zone.

If money is really thight series two of them together, if it's not, get an expander and do it right.

Also, make sure you get a duel-tec beam for the garage a standard beam will false alarm alot.

John Kelly of

nonsense, standard beams do not false alarm at all.
if you want the garage on a seperate zone then stick 2 of the other ones in together.
don't waste time and money getting an expander and then trying to figure out how to install it etc.

KoolKid

Are you speaking from an installers point of view?
2 PiRs should not be on the same zone.
The resistance is much higher so they would be more prone to false alarms.

John Kelly of

well there is theory and there is practicality and you will get away with 2 pirs on the same zone 99% of the time. In the extremely unlikely event that it causes false alarms then you can always go out and buy an expander etc if and when that happens.

KoolKid

Are you a licensed installer John?
Whether of not something is OK the majority of the time does not make it right.
I could install 100 alarms & leave a window or door not covered. 99 of them may never be broken into. Does that make it OK? NO
PiRs should not be wired in series on the one zone. That is not a theory.
If you are going to be posting advice like that here I think you should clarify your experience level.

John Kelly of

about 3000 alarms

KoolKid

So are you saying you are are a licenced installer and you are giving out advice like that?
Also if you are going to be posting advice here as a licenced installer please verify this with me via PM.

altor

gabdoc wrote: »

justed opened my 8/12 secure wave panel to find all zones full ,green and white wire in each and all power connected together in a connector.only have 7 pirs covering the whole house and would like to put other in garage,any help.

Hi gabdoc,

I would not recommend to series two beams together. It will cause more problems than it is worth, it is not great advice for anyone to give.

You do have 2 options providing you have the engineer code off the panel.

1. Put a 4 zone expander on the alarm.
2. Install two point ID modules to free up a zone.

Jnealon

KoolKid wrote: »

The resistance is much higher so they would be more prone to false alarms.

This statement does not make sense.

It's just bad practice to put 2 pirs on one zone

John Kelly of

KoolKid wrote: »

So are you saying you are are a licenced installer and you are giving out advice like that?
Also if you are going to be posting advice here as a licenced installer please verify this with me via PM.

Never said I was posting advice as a licenced installer. In this case the guy wants to do a simple diy job in his own house. He can stick 2 pirs in series if he likes with no eol at all and it will work just fine.
Don't worry I won't post any more advice Koolkid.

KoolKid

Asking to put them in series is bad advice. Asking to wire without EOLs is worse.
If you want to post advice like that that's fine but people need to be aware that its DIY advice you are giving as opposed to getting advice from the licenced professionals who post some very good advice here.

gabdoc

Thanks for all the tips so far, probably go down the expander route, is this an add-on to the original panel or a stand alone panel? what else can this expander give me? how do i set it up and how much can i expect to pay for it
thanks in advance

KoolKid

You can get the 4 zone plug on expander for about €40 .

altor

gabdoc wrote: »

Thanks for all the tips so far, probably go down the expander route, is this an add-on to the original panel or a stand alone panel? what else can this expander give me? how do i set it up and how much can i expect to pay for it
thanks in advance

Your welcome, sorry to see your last thread was locked as all you needed was a bit of advice.
The 4 zone expander is the best solution as it will give you extra zones for the garage. If you decided to cover your windows and door aswell as put in a PIR it will give you more protection than just the PIR, which is best to do since you now have the extra zones.
Cost wise less than €40 including vat for the expander, not sure if koolkid included vat on his price.