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Flowrider in Tramore
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could have wrote the script for this one, can tramore people not come up with any better arguments?
yes i understand the town has got some facility but i questioned if these limited facility actually service the need of the whole community?also please educate me to the where about of this community centre? yes this town has many organisations however these are specialist groups.
Theres a large section of this community not actually participating in this community because there realy is none just a portrait of one hanging somewhere. this is a town that does not work well together as it was never intended to become a community. it evolved from a seaside hamlet then becoming the 'fashionable' place for people with money to take a break in, some of these people stayed and began to set up a community of sorts while it remained a fashionable seaside visit town. there was then a population explosion and people came from every where and decided to stay all the while the traditional seaside resort was no longer fashionable. yet tramore in its infinite wisdom decided to hold onto this vision of the town.
so how much will this new skate park cost to each towns person going in and is this the councils answer now to the relocation of the existing skate park to the non existent park? the powers that be want to press ahead with the surf lifesaving place and leave the skaters with no park, will they use this as the new park being covered? is that why this development has been announced?
this town has nothing much to offer the type of people we need to be attracting, first of foreign people as we need outside money, and secondly the older people as they are the people who hold the money, all this is know by failte ireland however they choose to ignore tramore. tramore had its own tourism development company for many many years and this company developed the package of tramore and the facility's it should offer although coming up against much opposition and obstacles over the years. this company was a state owned and was part of a bigger plan, it would implement the structures needed and the structures would be run by the community, but like other social planning models it didn't not work and failed on a grand scale in tramore, it had successes however in other resorts it was implemented in. this is a fragmented fractured town with no vision, or mission or forward thinking integrated planning or future goals or aims and most of all no leadership.
a strong community cannot exist with out a strong leader without one the people all run wild off into the fields without purpose. this town needs to re-evaluate itself as to what it is, and what it wants to be. do the majority of this town want it to be a seaside resort or do they want a community all year round. do the people want facility's that are aimed at tourists or aimed at its citizens? i noticed one comment referred to the beach being the heart of the town, is this so? do we want the town to be serviced by private money or could it ever be that the people of tramore unite and service themselves?0 -
You really are out of the picture for a person that is so community based!
First off lets get the facts straight about the existing skate park. The new surf lifesaving centre will be located at the previous site of the skate park. BUT, the existing skate park will be moved 20 metres down towards the public toilets, the space currently occupied by the oh so busy bus parking facilities. This movement and relocation of the skatepark will be completed before a sod is turned on the lifesaving building.
I presume you are one of these people objecting to the new lifesaving building? On what grounds?? it will provide a free service to the young kids of Tramore. A vital one I may add, as it will teach many kids the dangers of the sea in a safe environment! It will also give a chance to the older people of Tramore to get involved, giving people like you a chance to get involved in the community!
You seem to have the total wrong idea of this new development too. It will attract a lot of foreign people to Tramore. It will be the biggest skatepark in Ireland and it will have the only Flowrider in the country, an attraction that will attract many people from across the pond! Yes it will have a cost to it but I am very confident it will have extremely kind membership offers that locals can avail of!
You seem to want a community service that costs little to use! What planet are you on? In todays world there arent many things that are free to use!
Your last paragraph puzzles me big time. You state the following:
"a strong community cannot exist with out a strong leader without one the people all run wild off into the fields without purpose. this town needs to re-evaluate itself as to what it is, and what it wants to be. do the majority of this town want it to be a seaside resort or do they want a community all year round. do the people want facility's that are aimed at tourists or aimed at its citizens? i noticed one comment referred to the beach being the heart of the town, is this so? do we want the town to be serviced by private money or could it ever be that the people of tramore unite and service themselves?"
First of, why aren't you one of these strong leaders, since you have such "great" ideas why don't you do anything about them? And again why has this new facility have to be a seasonal one? It will probably be busier in the depths of Winter because it will be one of the few places in Ireland where you will be able to spend the day doing something fun indoors! And the beach is the heart of the town, take away the beach and you aint got a town!!
So to sum it up:- Are you against the new surf lifesaving building, a free community service?
- Why don't you do something about this so called problem in the community?
- Have you any idea at all what this new facility will contain? You seem oblivious to the fact that it will provide secure long term jobs and finacial stability to Tramore's business year round!
- Do you live on the moon or up your arse?
I get worried about the future of Tramore when I read posts like the ones you posted today!0 -
I have been reading BlankAs's posts and I don't know if he is , a Facist, a Communist, A Dictator, An Idiot,? He is definitely not a capitalist, as he only uses four in his two large posts! His posts wander all over the shop, and like a lot of these posts he totally ignores the solid arguments that are proposed by other posters to his statements.
It makes you think what a mess a person like this can do to a planning proposal, when no amount of reasoning will work, because they do not hear you, they have only one track.0 -
OP you still haven't told us exactly what you want. You have done a lot of waffling, and told us about things that don't work, but not what you consider will work.yes i understand the town has got some facility but i questioned if these limited facility actually service the need of the whole community?also please educate me to the where about of this community centre? yes this town has many organisations however these are specialist groups.
You seem to suggest that there needs to be some sort of single magical organisation that will entertain everyone at once? How will this happen? Of course the organisations are specialist groups, everyone has their own interest, maybe one of those specialties will suit you?
I suspect from your English it is not your first language, and you are what the Irish call a 'blow in'. This is someone who was not born in Tramore, and all his ancestors before him. Most of us are blow-ins to Tramore, its a dormitory town. Some of us are blow-ins to Ireland (including me).
You will never be 'part' of the community here in the same way you felt part of the community wherever you left. You have to ignore that little niggle of solitude and just make the best of it. If you want to change the whole community so you feel part of it, that isn't going to happen. All you can do is find a little niche where you do feel comfortable.
Maybe I am wrong about that, but it really isn't clear exactly what you want. If you were to start a group it would be another of the specialities you complain about.
The Community centre by the way is opposite Stella Maris school, backing on to the Tramore House park. It is just a building, it isn't a solution to a sense of community in itself. It is a place where people can have meetings etc. How it is used is up to the people who use it. There are lots of other places around the town where people can meet, but there needs to be a purpose to that meeting, and that is up to individuals - maybe you?0 -
What's wrong with specialist groups? They represent certain interests but together they serve the whole town. There's the tidy towns, business groups for tourism/business, the Council, heritage & arts groups, scouts, sports clubs, active retirement group, all doing their own thing. There could be more joined up thinking but there is a lot of collaboration between these groups, and the Council are currently in the process of producing a Tramore Action Plan which will consult with everyone and I hope will bring everyone together behind a common vision for the town and have something for everyone to get involved in helping with.also please educate me to the where about of this community centre? yes this town has many organisations however these are specialist groups.
There is one community centre in Riverstown, which is used by Klub Musik and others for various community events/meetings. I'm sure there are others in other parts of the town.
What is the large section not participating? Older people?Theres a large section of this community not actually participating in this community because there realy is none just a portrait of one hanging somewhere.
Like I said earlier the beach is the heart of this town, not just literally but figuratively. It's the town's identity and the reason it exists in the first place and it's a major Irish amenity for residents and visitors. So it should play to its strengths and target those who will come to use the beach and environs - young people, surfers, skaters, those into outdoor pursuits. I'm not saying we shouldn't try attracting more older people too.this town has nothing much to offer the type of people we need to be attracting, first of foreign people as we need outside money, and secondly the older people as they are the people who hold the money, all this is know by failte ireland however they choose to ignore tramore.
I don't agree that Failte Ireland ignore us. They have funded lots of things for Tramore and have the town properly featured in their marketing materials.
It can be both.do the majority of this town want it to be a seaside resort or do they want a community all year round. do the people want facility's that are aimed at tourists or aimed at its citizens?
Every town needs private investment, public sector investment and the community doing it for themselves. It doesn't have to be one or the other, and you can't develop the town purely by just the community uniting. Do you think the residents could raise millions to build the facilities you want? What facilities would you like to see that we don't already have?do we want the town to be serviced by private money or could it ever be that the people of tramore unite and service themselves?0 -
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If this brings business to Tramore, happy days. we should be welcoming it with open arms.
This is a unique opportunity to bring top class facilities to Tramore which will provide year round tourism opportunities for the town.
It is being funded by private investment so there is no public money being invested.
People should be congratulating the promoters rather than castigating them.
I for one will be out with the flags and bunting!
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the flowrider and skate park is what tramore needs to regenerate the town and start attracting large competitions and skate events to the town internationally!!! i'm as i said earlier a born and bred tramore man and the only person in my family currently still in employment!!! my older brother could definately benefit from the flowrider and skate park as he has grown up doin both surfing and skating all his life and is very talented at both and i think this could put his two feet back on solid ground instead of worrying where the next mortgage payment is goin to come from and like many other local lads in the town who are talented surfers and skaters that could bring something to this!!! the campaigners that will be against this should be ashamed of themselves and they also have to remember that they too have kids that had to emigrate because of no work and i know good few of em that are from "THE GAP" that are now in oz and have been for a good while!!!.0
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flowrider house ltd....who are they? Is it mr burns? ha. sounds cool if it happens.0
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I knew i would get pulled on that! The slightest hiccup and someone will pull you on it! It says on and the planning application link....A & N Coryell?
Not sure if its going in the right place....havent seen the plans and have no idea how big its going to be. But it would be better if it was in that ugly car park thats beside it. I wish all that area was to be kept clear. Tramore would look much better .It going to make the beach area feel congested-im not against it.It was great when that was playground. I hope its not another white elephant like Celtworld!.0 -
by clear i mean landscaped...not the way it is at the moment!0
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The link I posted earlier in this thread was for a different planning application but on the same location, not for the Flowrider application - I don't think that's up on the Council's website yet.I knew i would get pulled on that! The slightest hiccup and someone will pull you on it! It says on and the planning application link....A & N Coryell?0 -
dont know why ye are all getting so excited. remember the plans for the cinema, dunnes stores, hotel in the railway station, the new race course, aldi, town park, halting site, beach ring road, access to metal man/cliff walk, redevelopment plans for derelict buildings around the town (salabis, hot pot, tramore hotel, londis site etc), retail units on new road, fully occupied and functioning business park just to name a few off the top of my head, do feel free to add to the list...... could provide for an interesting newspaper article!0
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dont know why ye are all getting so excited. remember the plans for the cinema, dunnes stores, hotel in the railway station, the new race course, aldi, town park, halting site, beach ring road, access to metal man/cliff walk, redevelopment plans for derelict buildings around the town (salabis, hot pot, tramore hotel, londis site etc), retail units on new road, fully occupied and functioning business park just to name a few off the top of my head, do feel free to add to the list...... could provide for an interesting newspaper article!
Have the serial objectors objected to all of those applications?0 -
no, most are due to lack of joined up thinking, lack of money and general disregard for the people of tramore. the planing system allows for people to object if they feel that a part of a new development is not suitable for what ever reason they might have. the planning department will consider these submissions when they are making their decisions but the objections do not bind them when making a decision. the planning system is there to allow for the public to have a say in the development of their area. we may have some very public objectors but where are the very public supporters of any of these projects?0
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dont know why ye are all getting so excited. remember the plans for the cinema, dunnes stores, hotel in the railway station, the new race course, aldi, town park, halting site, beach ring road, access to metal man/cliff walk, redevelopment plans for derelict buildings around the town (salabis, hot pot, tramore hotel, londis site etc), retail units on new road, fully occupied and functioning business park just to name a few off the top of my head, do feel free to add to the list...... could provide for an interesting newspaper article!
- cinema, dunnes stores - would've gone ahead only for the economic downturn.
- hotel in the railway station - never heard about a hotel in there, wouldn't be suitable anyway, and it's a listed building so you couldn't do much with it.
- the new race course - still going ahead I think, just no money at the moment.
- aldi - refused by An Bord Pleanala, probably for the best anyway.
- town park - it's taking ages, but it's definitely going ahead. The entrance is complete.
- halting site - never heard anything about a halting site for Tramore.
- beach ring road - you mean the relief road through Somervillle? It's almost complete, one section left to be done, will be done eventually.
- access to metal man/cliff walk - definitely going ahead, news about this was announced recently.
- redevelopment plans for derelict buildings around the town (salabis, hot pot, tramore hotel, londis site etc) - shame about these alright. Hopefully tidy towns will get around to looking at them buildings.
- retail units on new road - never heard of them?
- fully occupied and functioning business park - do you mean Riverstown Industrial Estate? Loads of businesses down there, I see a few new buildings going up there too. Has to be the biggest success story for Tramore in the past decade, one thing the Council got right. I don't think there are too many vacant units.
Some things that have been completed: Tesco, Lidl, Summerhill Centre, new buildings at the Pavillion and the Prom (surf shops, toilets, beauty spa, skate park).0 -
cinema, dunnes stores - who owns the access land?? not the developers.
hotel in the railway station - plans were announced years ago by a private dublin company.
the new race course - why begin if ya dont have the money to complete? why pump a million into a field?
aldi - why announce if ya dont have any chance of planning?
town park - back to the race course point, why begin if theres no money available to complete
halting site - never heard anything about a halting site for Tramore because no body wants to talk bout it. tramore has traditionaly been on the travellers route but have been turned around as they come into the town in recent years. what dja think the amusement park started out of ??? anyone remember the trailers down by the arcade some years ago?
beach ring road - you mean the relief road through Somervillle?yep this one. again who owns the land?
access to metal man/cliff walk - announced many years ago too and still nothing
redevelopment plans for derelict buildings around the town - why must we wait on the tidy towns, get out there people with some paint and do it
retail units on new road - half finished ones beside little stars......
fully occupied and functioning business park - do you mean Riverstown Industrial Estate? i do, it is not full and there are recently closed and some just about to close. talk to some of the business owners bout the rates they are paying they are laughable.
love the completed list, well iv sure been told!
oh and another, the surf centre was build with community money and with community grants to be used as a community building, why now is it operating as a private entity??0 -
I think the owners are called Volute, but that site is probably in NAMA now.cinema, dunnes stores - who owns the access land?? not the developers.
The same reason housing estates were left unfinished, money just ran out. When plans were made it wasn't forseen that the money would no longer be there.the new race course - why begin if ya dont have the money to complete? why pump a million into a field?
It wasn't announced as if it was definitely going to be built. Plans were made public because that's the law and planning process. The Co. Council approved the planning. It was only because An Bord Pleanala rejected the plans that it didn't go ahead.aldi - why announce if ya dont have any chance of planning?
It will take a few more years to complete, but the town park will go ahead. There's still money around through different sources.town park - back to the race course point, why begin if theres no money available to complete
Don't know what you're on about to be honest. Do you just mean a bunch of travellers vehicles setting up where they want? There's no halting site in Tramore.halting site - never heard anything about a halting site for Tramore because no body wants to talk bout it. tramore has traditionaly been on the travellers route but have been turned around as they come into the town in recent years. what dja think the amusement park started out of ??? anyone remember the trailers down by the arcade some years ago?
I don't know who owns the land. I think the delay in completing the last section of the road is some sort of thing between the Council and the land owner.beach ring road - you mean the relief road through Somervillle?yep this one. again who owns the land?
Well it is definitely going to happen now. Tramore Tourism were on WLR recently about it, they got all the legalities relating to the access all sorted. There are plans in place and I'd be very confident we'll see progress over the next couple of years.access to metal man/cliff walk - announced many years ago too and still nothing
But that's what Tidy Towns is, the people who are "getting out there and doing it" - they just can't do everything and they are trying to get more people on board to help them out.redevelopment plans for derelict buildings around the town - why must we wait on the tidy towns, get out there people with some paint and do it
little stars?retail units on new road - half finished ones beside little stars......
Businesses are closing down everywhere. The Industrial Estate still got built though didn't it? I agree that rates are too high.fully occupied and functioning business park - do you mean Riverstown Industrial Estate? i do, it is not full and there are recently closed and some just about to close. talk to some of the business owners bout the rates they are paying they are laughable.
I was just giving you some examples of things that did get built.love the completed list, well iv sure been told!
I don't know anything about that.oh and another, the surf centre was build with community money and with community grants to be used as a community building, why now is it operating as a private entity??0 -
oh and another, the surf centre was build with community money and with community grants to be used as a community building, why now is it operating as a private entity??
True. So is there no surf club in Tramore? Thats a shame.
So was Splashworld, i think shares were sold to the community. Does someone own it or is the council running it?0 -
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True. So is there no surf club in Tramore? Thats a shame.
So was Splashworld, i think shares were sold to the community. Does someone own it or is the council running it?
There is a very active surf club in Tramore. Come down there any Sunday morning and see the surf club in action, over 100 kids surfing and all instructors giving up their free time voluntary;)0 -
BlankAs, you really are blank.
Psychedelic answered all your posts regarding developments that haven't gone ahead very well. Just goes to show you love trolling or you live in the gap!!
The Flowrider however, is different. First of its a development thats being done in a recession. So the business plan has obviously been completed considering that. Imagine how well it will do when the economy picks up!
As for the surf centre, don't stick your nose in where your clearly clueless on the matter. As Jimmy pointed out, the surf club in Tramore has never been stronger, its thriving and so is its membership. The coffee shop is private but thats rented out, as has been the case since day one. That section of the building was always private section. The surf club owns the whole building, what is wrong with renting it out?
The community always had a say in Splashworld, if they sold shares it was because democracy let it happen. There are always going to be naysayers.
The Flowhouse has ample opportunity to take off and trust me, the planners mean business. When you combine the events that could possibly take place in the bar, the Flowrider and the skatepark, they will have no problems what so ever with getting investment with the amount of publicity each event will attract.
For example the Flowrider could easily stage a leg of the World Tour and it will attract many of the worlds best surfers, along with thousands of tourists wanting to watch.
The exact same can be said for the skatepark. In my opinion this will have a bigger draw than the Flowrider. All you have to do is go down to the one on the beach and see the huge amount of youngsters in it, and thats just Tramore youngsters most of the time. This skate park will be at least 10 times bigger!!
And somebody mentioned they want the area landscaped, the new park will provide that. The council is building it so expect a slow process. The Flowhouse design fits in well with the rest of the areas buildings and is only 11m tall. The previous applications on the site were all at least 18m. And yes I saw the plans through the council offices.
And yes there are a lot of people in support of this. Unfortunately the negative people get headlines before the positive people. The great thing about the planning process is the fact your name is made public if one objects.
I just hope the ones who do will hang their heads in shame and ask themselves what would you prefer to see, some elephants ****ting practically in your back garden for three months of the year (and im not talking about the travelers who also vacate the premises regularly) or a booming building that will bring millions to the local economy that will in turn deliver the community services that you so highly desire through indirect investment in the area!!0 -
well said Tbayers take a bow0
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The history of the various proposals for the Railway Station site and the many changes of owner would make a neat study for an investigative journalist. I believe the site was sold to the current developer for a nominal sum and it is, indeed, in NAMA. Vince Power and others owned it at some stage and it was offered as a 4 star hotel site with full planning permission about 12 or 13 years ago.Psychedelic wrote: »I think the owners are called Volute, but that site is probably in NAMA now.0 -
Plans are up, along with drawings. I personally think it looks great, design fits in with shape of other buildings near by, only 11m too!
I think you need to install an app to view the files but it is worth doing, only takes 2 mins.
http://193.178.2.69/idocsweb/ViewFiles.aspx?docid=129248&format=djvu0 -
Looks like a few people have made objections:
http://eplan.waterfordcoco.ie/ePlan41/FileRefDetails.aspx?File_number=12122&LASiteID=0
http://193.178.2.69/idocsweb/listFiles.aspx?catalog=planning&id=12122
In fairness they are not the worst objections, they may be right that it's too big, a few stupid things though too like it doesn't fit with the town's architecture. You can also make submissions in favour of the development - deadline is this Monday at 5pm I believe.
Martin Kelly, The Gap, Riverstown:
Says the building is too high, can't read his writing so not sure what else he says, except to suggest the former Celt World site instead i.e. not in his back yard.
Agnes Aylward, The Doneraile:
Says it's too big, will block off views of the town from the beach, contrasts with the town's Victorian architecture, there was a previous building on that site and it's beside a road (don't know how they can be a basis for objection), will block off views of the beach. Suggests a scaled down development instead.
Marie Walsh, Church Road:
Siame points as Agnes Aylward's, not keeping with the town's character, on a site that has been much the same for the last 150 years, it'll change the appearance of the town, it'll ruin the view etc.
Deirdre & Donncha S. O'Maidin, Queen Street:
Refers to An Bord Pleanala's refusal of previous proposed development on the site, recommends a re-design for a smaller scale development, will cause traffic congestion, loading bay will be a nuisance to nearby residents, says the building should be clad in granite or limestone, suggests the Council insists on highest possible standards for the building as it's in such an important area.0 -
Read the application and the submissions/objections which to me typify all that is wrong in this town.
They quote Victorian architecture and the 18/19 century ethos! We are in the 21st century for Chr**t sake. We are in the middle of the worst economic crisis this world has ever known and here is a local company willing to invest serious money in the town. The plan is a courageous one that deserves the backing of all residents of Tramore. Talk of a loading bay causing consternation is ridiculous. Long queues forming to get out of the car park would only seem to indicate that the place was full, bringing well deserved euro to the town, perhaps keeping their sons and daughters in jobs and putting Tramore on the national and international map as a surfing venue above all!
And I don't mind the elephants coming down and sh*ting on the Prom as long as they were part of the big parade welcoming Flowrider to Tramore on opening day!
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This is a joke, it really is. First off 5/7 objectors are from the gap and they exaggerate the height on a number of occasions which is foolish. It is in fact 11.5 meters at its very extreme heights (one states 14m while another states 40ft, blatant lies!!!), if they looked at the plans carefully they would see that the actually building block it self is only an average of 8-10m. The highest point is a triangular tip.
People also tend to forget that the houses that are located behind the development (all the objectors basically) are situated on land that is 4m higher than the site. Therefore this translates to a reference height of only 4-8m max. Taking this into consideration and the fact that the tent that is erected in the pavilion area during the summer is easily this height contradicts themselves.
The whole architecture of the building fits in very well with the recently developed public toilets at the western end of the beach. If the new lifeguards hut was to go ahead, both designs also match!
Regarding the whole "doesn't fit with the towns 200 year old look"...as someone already mentioned, we are in the 21st century for gods sake, its about time these people realized this and embrace it!
The other developments prior to this were at least 20m too, a far cry from the current proposal!
If anybody reading this feels strongly enough that this proposal should go ahead then please please please submit an observation stating what you think are good reasons for it to go ahead. A few of the top of my head would be:- Current site is desolete, weed filled and attracts travellers on a regular basis.
- The land around the site lies above the site making the building height relatively smaller for residential buildings located behind the site.
- Economic benefits for the tourism sector would greatly enhance the experience of people coming to Tramore due to money in the town resulting in better services.
- 20-40 long term jobs at least will be created and the SE has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country.
If anybody needs help submitting or won't be able to submit letters on time, I plan to deliver my submission personally to Council's offices Monday evening so I could deliver other letters too if necessary! Feel free to pm me.Psychedelic wrote: »Looks like a few people have made objections:
http://eplan.waterfordcoco.ie/ePlan41/FileRefDetails.aspx?File_number=12122&LASiteID=0
http://193.178.2.69/idocsweb/listFiles.aspx?catalog=planning&id=12122
In fairness they are not the worst objections, they may be right that it's too big, a few stupid things though too like it doesn't fit with the town's architecture. You can also make submissions in favour of the development - deadline is this Monday at 5pm I believe.
Martin Kelly, The Gap, Riverstown:
Says the building is too high, can't read his writing so not sure what else he says, except to suggest the former Celt World site instead i.e. not in his back yard.
Agnes Aylward, The Doneraile:
Says it's too big, will block off views of the town from the beach, contrasts with the town's Victorian architecture, there was a previous building on that site and it's beside a road (don't know how they can be a basis for objection), will block off views of the beach. Suggests a scaled down development instead.
Marie Walsh, Church Road:
Siame points as Agnes Aylward's, not keeping with the town's character, on a site that has been much the same for the last 150 years, it'll change the appearance of the town, it'll ruin the view etc.
Deirdre & Donncha S. O'Maidin, Queen Street:
Refers to An Bord Pleanala's refusal of previous proposed development on the site, recommends a re-design for a smaller scale development, will cause traffic congestion, loading bay will be a nuisance to nearby residents, says the building should be clad in granite or limestone, suggests the Council insists on highest possible standards for the building as it's in such an important area.0 -
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At the end of the day, people are entitled to make objections to any form of planning and rightly so. The country is over developed and in a mess because of poor planning and decisions by councils - shopping centers lying idle, sites bought for building half built or derelict etc.
Only the other day a man was convicted for corruption in Waterford on the accusation he was paid money by a developer to represent his development to the council positively. The council voted to rezone the land, despite objections including one from the Minister for the Environment at the time. The minister subsequently overturned the 13-8 majority vote in favour of the rezoning.
Previous applications on this site were given the nod by the council and then refused by An Bord Pleanala following appeals. I suspect similar will happen here, I imagine many don't trust the council and they will make the right judgement call for the appropriate development on the land without prejudice.
I for one welcome any development that will boost local tourism and our local economy. I'm not 100% sure its going to be the saving grace, and many argue that Tramore isn't a town that will ever benefit from all year around tourism, but if it brings a good boost to tourism and the economy than so be it. At the same time, the development should be within planning rules and regulations and if the planning authorities feel the development is suitable, than so be it. If they don't, I am sure the developers will re-submit with the required corrections and will be up and running.0 -
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'Current site is desolete, weed filled and attracts travellers on a regular basis.'
firstly, do you consider any green site without a building desolate??
secondly having carryed out a biodiversity study on this site it is far from weed filled any how one mans weeds is another mans food...... in the 20 years this site has been unused it has repaired its self fairly beautifully. take a walk trough the space and regard nature.
and thirdly do i detect some racism here? travellers have come to tramore or many years and once were welcomed into the town, they made this town what it is, they provided the entertainment facilitys. the familys that run the amusement park area, where do you think they originated cause it definatly wasnt on the cliff road. it was in a wagon down in the car park behind south shore, look thru some old photos of tramore you will spot the wagons on the site. it seems tramore got far too snobby for itself and started to turn the travellers around as they come into the town. we accept all the lovelys down from dublin on the st v de p holidays to fill up pebble beach for the summer so why not another socio economic group: the travellers????
this project is unsustainable. the power it will require will be huge and energy prices are rising and oil is disappearing, will the company be able to cover all of these costs? should they be using renewables? there will be a water charge soon, we are an IMF country, have they factored this into it? 20/30 long term or seasonal jobs? damaging of an ecological sensitive area, this is a beach, 100 years ago it was natural land and now forever changed because of the poor decisions of the people. at the very least could people not just pretend to have learned something from the mistakes of those who have gone before us......0
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