More proof of Healy Rae gombeenism

rasper

I always wondered what type of moran rang those line, obviously the type that isnt paying for it

cast_iron

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Unfortunately we all get those politicians

But I do sympathise with people from Kerry for the portrayal and references to them; Dublin had Ahern, Tipp has Lowry, Limerick even stuck O'Dea back in despite his dodgy slurs.

Then again, Kerry had both Healy-Rae and O'Donoghue simultaneously, so maybe they do have a bigger problem.

Why would you sympathise?

These politicians have done looked after their areas very well.

Liam Byrne

cast_iron wrote: »

Why would you sympathise?

These politicians have done looked after their areas very well.

I sympathise with those who have standards and voted elsewhere but are still tarred by the same brush.

Mind you, you're wrong in relation to O'Dea......he dd nothing for Limerick and voted against Shannon despite all his promises.

anymore

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Unfortunately we all get those politicians

But I do sympathise with people from Kerry for the portrayal and references to them; Dublin had Ahern, Tipp has Lowry, Limerick even stuck O'Dea back in despite his dodgy slurs.

Then again, Kerry had both Healy-Rae and O'Donoghue simultaneously, so maybe they do have a bigger problem.

I dont know if you have ever passed through Kilgarvan, but it has fine wide roads leading into it and out of it. Kilgarvan itself is a miserable little village that has little to recommend it. Even the ' Quill Commeration Centre' on the edge of the village has closed.

cast_iron

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I sympathise with those who have standards and voted elsewhere but are still tarred by the same brush.

I don't see why they would care to be honest. It's not like every single person voted for these people and no one really knows how people voted.

Liam Byrne wrote:

Mind you, you're wrong in relation to O'Dea......he dd nothing for Limerick and voted against Shannon despite all his promises.

He must do something for them. Bar the last election, he's been a poll topper by quite a margin.

Liam Byrne

cast_iron wrote: »

I don't see why they would care to be honest. It's not like every single person voted for these people and no one really knows how people voted.

He must do something for them. Bar the last election, he's been a poll topper by quite a margin.

Can't speak for other areas but O'Dea has done nothing worthwhile, be it parochailly for Limerick or nationally.

Rumour has it that he gets some people what they're "entitled" to in our warped system, acting as a councillor or citizens' advice rep, but if those people actually opened their eyes and stopped fawning for a sec they'd see that that's not a TD's job and that they'd get those anyway.

thebman

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Can't speak for other areas but O'Dea has done nothing worthwhile, be it parochailly for Limerick or nationally.

Rumour has it that he gets some people what they're "entitled" to in our warped system, acting as a councillor or citizens' advice rep, but if those people actually opened their eyes and stopped fawning for a sec they'd see that that's not a TD's job and that they'd get those anyway.

Do they not have a citizens information centre in Limerick :P

seligehgit

bamboozle wrote: »

i see your 45 gardeners and raise you the 2 thousand or so of HR staff employed* in the HSE

* I didnt use the words work or working as there is not enough work in the HSE to keep 2000 staff staff busy.

I certainly cannot agree with the rather sweeping last statement you made re the HSE.I can guarantee you I've more than enough work to keep me and many other clinical staff WORKING.I do agree with the you that the HSE is top heavy with administrators.
My main point is only slightly off subject with regard to the inappropriate use of public funds.But seriously Greece is absolute joke,if you think Ireland was partying non stop/wasting public funds,well Greece takes the biscuit when it comes to unaccountable,lavish spending of public monies with no concerns for public debt consequences.This is a country where corruption is rife,the black economy thrives at a rate that would make our sorry nation blush!Until the troika arrived there existed a scheme whereby some Greeks could retire in their forties.All they had to do to receive it,was present them annually at a bank.Children of thousands of Greeks had been receiving their parents pensions ,some for decades.
Using satellite imagery,tax inspectors discovered 16,974 unregistered/untaxed swimming pools in Athens alone.Random checks revealed 6,000 people with incomes declared under 10K owned car worth in excess of 100K.Only 5,000 people claim to earn over 100K in a country with a population of 11 million.The government has failed to tackle the endemic failure to pay taxes,utilities and reform a lavish pension/retirement regime.It would be nice to retire at 50,pigs will fly in Ireland!The 8 billion paid over the past 12 years into the pension fund of 25,000 power workers.
Greece has failed to reform the closed shop/barriers to competition in specific labour markets.Some 250 professions from electricians to solicitors benefit from "special regimes".Whether they work or not civil servants can claim bonuses for punctuality,washing their hands regularly,or having to use a Xerox machine.Some state enterprise employees get up to 5 days a year stay in a luxury hotel.This is the surreal world of Greece,home of ancient civilisation,founders of democracy.
Certainly the politicians have had their heads in the trough,MPs who are paid 16 monthly salaries a year!Political parties receive 10 euro annually for every election vote,German equivalent subsidy 70 cent!Ministries where only half the staff bother to turn up for work and others who are paid to do nothing.Until now parties were allowed to offer expatriate Greeks free tickets home to have a holiday and vote in elections,no taint of influencing one's vote there!This is one of the reasons Olympic Airways went bust,as the parties never paid the bills.The list goes on and on.Without doubt I empathise with the ordinary workers who have paid their dues and not benefitted in this bankrupt in many ways system/country.Peaceful protest I'm all for,but not these yobs engaging in violent protests.These 2 day national strikes are a joke,they need to put the axe to the wheel and work to get their country out of it's quagmire,not make it worse.They should be grateful that their German fiscally sensible paymasters(who must to be sick to the teeth)/troika have'nt turned off the tap and emptied the ATM machines and examine their own consciences.To be honest with the criteria(fiscal rectitude) etc for admission to the single currency/Euro zone my mind boggles how the Greeks were allowed in the door.A default on their part is going to be really bad for us.
Ireland is having to perform the same examination but believe me we are starting from a much better position.

bamboozle

seligehgit wrote: »

I certainly cannot agree with the rather sweeping last statement you made re the HSE.I can guarantee you I've more than enough work to keep me and many other clinical staff WORKING.I do agree with the you that the HSE is top heavy with administrators.
My main point is only slightly off subject with regard to the inappropriate use of public funds.But seriously Greece is absolute joke,if you think Ireland was partying non stop/wasting public funds,well Greece takes the biscuit when it comes to unaccountable,lavish spending of public monies with no concerns for public debt consequences.This is a country where corruption is rife,the black economy thrives at a rate that would make our sorry nation blush!Until the troika arrived there existed a scheme whereby some Greeks could retire in their forties.All they had to do to receive it,was present them annually at a bank.Children of thousands of Greeks had been receiving their parents pensions ,some for decades.
Using satellite imagery,tax inspectors discovered 16,974 unregistered/untaxed swimming pools in Athens alone.Random checks revealed 6,000 people with incomes declared under 10K owned car worth in excess of 100K.Only 5,000 people claim to earn over 100K in a country with a population of 11 million.The government has failed to tackle the endemic failure to pay taxes,utilities and reform a lavish pension/retirement regime.It would be nice to retire at 50,pigs will fly in Ireland!The 8 billion paid over the past 12 years into the pension fund of 25,000 power workers.
Greece has failed to reform the closed shop/barriers to competition in specific labour markets.Some 250 professions from electricians to solicitors benefit from "special regimes".Whether they work or not civil servants can claim bonuses for punctuality,washing their hands regularly,or having to use a Xerox machine.Some state enterprise employees get up to 5 days a year stay in a luxury hotel.This is the surreal world of Greece,home of ancient civilisation,founders of democracy.
Certainly the politicians have had their heads in the trough,MPs who are paid 16 monthly salaries a year!Political parties receive 10 euro annually for every election vote,German equivalent subsidy 70 cent!Ministries where only half the staff bother to turn up for work and others who are paid to do nothing.Until now parties were allowed to offer expatriate Greeks free tickets home to have a holiday and vote in elections,no taint of influencing one's vote there!This is one of the reasons Olympic Airways went bust,as the parties never paid the bills.The list goes on and on.Without doubt I empathise with the ordinary workers who have paid their dues and not benefitted in this bankrupt in many ways system/country.Peaceful protest I'm all for,but not these yobs engaging in violent protests.These 2 day national strikes are a joke,they need to put the axe to the wheel and work to get their country out of it's quagmire,not make it worse.They should be grateful that their German fiscally sensible paymasters(who must to be sick to the teeth)/troika have'nt turned off the tap and emptied the ATM machines and examine their own consciences.To be honest with the criteria(fiscal rectitude) etc for admission to the single currency/Euro zone my mind boggles how the Greeks were allowed in the door.A default on their part is going to be really bad for us.
Ireland is having to perform the same examination but believe me we are starting from a much better position.

are you suggesting that the 2000 or so staff working in HR in the HSE have sufficient work to keep themselves busy? not for a second do i believe this.

seligehgit

bamboozle wrote: »

are you suggesting that the 2000 or so staff working in HR in the HSE have sufficient work to keep themselves busy? not for a second do i believe this.

No,totally agree with you on that one.

Rubik.

Joan Burton has fired him from the Citizens' Information Board.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0703/healyraej.html

raymon

Great news. On you bike you money grabbing sponger.

ted2767

There is a very good chance he won't get re elected anyway, in my opinion one of the reasons his father was so succesful was he supported succesive governments with slim majorities and/or excessive amounts of cash to spend during the boom years.
FG probably couldn't even care less about that gob sh*te and certainly wouldn't be minded to give him credit for roads, piers etc the same way his father was pandered to by FF.
If he delivers less to the people of south Kerry they might just see him as an average politician and think twice about re electing him.

Rubik.

The timeline of this is - a Minister asks Healy Rae to step down from the board of a quango, he publicly refuses and a week later damaging reports about a 4 year old incident appears in a newspaper discrediting him(not that that was very difficult). He is then sacked.

It's right this information was made public and it is right he was sacked, but it makes you wonder what other potential scandals are being swept under the carpet- like this one would have been if Healy Rae had done what he was told. This story should have been made public when it was discovered in 2007.

later12

Rubik. wrote: »

The timeline of this is - a Minister asks Healy Rae to step down from the board of a quango, he publicly refuses and a week later damaging reports about a 4 year old incident appears in a newspaper discrediting him(not that that was very difficult). He is then sacked.

It's right this information was made public and it is right he was sacked, but it makes you wonder what other potential scandals are being swept under the carpet- like this one would have been if Healy Rae had done what he was told. This story should have been made public when it was discovered in 2007.

That's interesting, it is indeed very curious how this information was ever dug up in the first place. I cannot imagine that it was just 'happened upon'.

Nijmegen

later10 wrote: »

That's interesting, it is indeed very curious how this information was ever dug up in the first place. I cannot imagine that it was just 'happened upon'.

Ahh gosh, you'd have to be awful cynical to think that politicians mainly only get caught for wrongdoing when other politicians have something to gain from it.

bonzos

Ken Foxe has an article in the mail today detailing the amount of money this family(Healy Rae's)have been paid by the tax payer....€8m!!!!! What a total disgrace this includes both MHR and JHR claiming maximum expenses where ever possible. The family plant hire business were also granted contracts for over €5m by kerry county council.....I happened to be visiting a hospital last week and everywhere patients care was under serous stress due to cutbacks!yet we still have money for the wages and expenses of theses clowns(and dont get me started on how much o donoghue and his wife screwed from the taxpayer on 5* hotels and 1st class travel!!!)

rasper

a gangster like that on a citizen information board really was a very misguided choice in the first place, fox looking after the chickens comes to mind

raymon

later10 wrote: »

That's interesting, it is indeed very curious how this information was ever dug up:D in the first place. I cannot imagine that it was just 'happened upon'.

Someone should probably call Batman before this goes any further.

bamboozle

bonzos wrote: »

Ken Foxe has an article in the mail today detailing the amount of money this family(Healy Rae's)have been paid by the tax payer....€8m!!!!! What a total disgrace this includes both MHR and JHR claiming maximum expenses where ever possible. The family plant hire business were also granted contracts for over €5m by kerry county council.....I happened to be visiting a hospital last week and everywhere patients care was under serous stress due to cutbacks!yet we still have money for the wages and expenses of theses clowns(and dont get me started on how much o donoghue and his wife screwed from the taxpayer on 5* hotels and 1st class travel!!!)

€8m a year, sickening. I see Danny Healy Rae 'inherited' his uncles seat on Kerry County Council upon MHR's election to Dail Eireann.

I propose for the next Dail if there are going to be 10-13 less seats South Kerry lose out on 1 seat for consistently electing self serving money grabbing me feiner gombeens, and in the meantime those hats they wear should be banned in Dail Eireann.

later12

raymon wrote: »

Someone should probably call Batman before this goes any further.

Sure thing Commissioner.

DublinWriter

The whole issue reminds me of what Stalin once said - One death in a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic.

Compared to the general €150m wastage with the failed PPARS system, €3,000 is nothing to write home to South Kerry about.

In fact, if it displays anything, it only displays a total lack of imagination and talent on the part of the Healy-Rae clan to really work the system.

flutered

hey have a lot to learn from the bull on how to milk the system, then ask how much dempsy and the ex minister from waterford, need i say any more buy the healy raes are small time.

thebman

bamboozle wrote: »

€8m a year, sickening. I see Danny Healy Rae 'inherited' his uncles seat on Kerry County Council upon MHR's election to Dail Eireann.

I propose for the next Dail if there are going to be 10-13 less seats South Kerry lose out on 1 seat for consistently electing self serving money grabbing me feiner gombeens, and in the meantime those hats they wear should be banned in Dail Eireann.

This was mentioned on the radio during the week about a TD seats going and how Kerry N/S looked likely to be merged into one constituency.

Can't help but think it will be an attempt to punish the voters of South Kerry for their choices over the years.

Can't help but think the decision of which constituencies are affected should be left out of the hands of those trying to get elected either. A kind of a conflict of interest there I would think.

anymore

thebman wrote: »

This was mentioned on the radio during the week about a TD seats going and how Kerry N/S looked likely to be merged into one constituency.

Can't help but think it will be an attempt to punish the voters of South Kerry for their choices over the years.

Can't help but think the decision of which constituencies are affected should be left out of the hands of those trying to get elected either. A kind of a conflict of interest there I would think.

I suppose if the business people of South Kerry started to worry that irish people in protest intended to boycott South Kerry,. it might ' soften thier cough' a little. By coincidence, this is the first year in many years that I havent visited the Killarney, Kenmare region - I think I will avoid it altogether this year. Maybe I will head to Dingle instead and give my money to North Kerry.

the groutch

it is the Mail on Sunday, be talk of electoral interference now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2010717/Healy-Rae-aide-asked-postal-vote-Pensioner-centre-investigation-Kerry-vote-rigging-scandal-speaks-out.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

hopefully something actually comes of it

bamboozle

DublinWriter wrote: »

The whole issue reminds me of what Stalin once said - One death in a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic.

Compared to the general €150m wastage with the failed PPARS system, €3,000 is nothing to write home to South Kerry about.

In fact, if it displays anything, it only displays a total lack of imagination and talent on the part of the Healy-Rae clan to really work the system.

for this country to get back on its feet every cent needs to be fully accounted for, every cent spent by the state needs to be legit and fully vouched. A system where 2 counciller brothers can claim 200k a year in expenses in utterly reprehensible in the current climate.

thebman

the groutch wrote: »

it is the Mail on Sunday, be talk of electoral interference now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2010717/Healy-Rae-aide-asked-postal-vote-Pensioner-centre-investigation-Kerry-vote-rigging-scandal-speaks-out.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

hopefully something actually comes of it

You can already see their defense in it and it is obviously something planned as a defense.

I said "give us your vote" but I meant will you vote for me.

I'm sure other politicians try this trick too and wouldn't be above stealing peoples postal votes if they thought they could get away with it.

Liam Byrne

anymore wrote: »

I suppose if the business people of South Kerry started to worry that irish people in protest intended to boycott South Kerry,. it might ' soften thier cough' a little. By coincidence, this is the first year in many years that I havent visited the Killarney, Kenmare region - I think I will avoid it altogether this year. Maybe I will head to Dingle instead and give my money to North Kerry.

Hope your trip doesn't go through Drumcondra or Tipperary, so!

Just to clarify - not excusing the 2 in question - just pointing out that if we were to avoid all constituencies in which lying con-men were elected, we'd all be travelling in boats.

kippy

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Hope your trip doesn't go through Drumcondra or Tipperary, so!

Just to clarify - not excusing the 2 in question - just pointing out that if we were to avoid all constituencies in which lying con-men were elected, we'd all be travelling in boats.

totally agree,
Theres no point boycotting these places.
I mean not all people would have voted for these guys anyway and as you say theres not many constituencies that havent at least in some stage in the past elected a clown of ethical and moral low standing.

Sir Oxman

bonzos wrote: »

Ken Foxe has an article in the mail today detailing the amount of money this family(Healy Rae's)have been paid by the tax payer....€8m!!!!! What a total disgrace this includes both MHR and JHR claiming maximum expenses where ever possible. The family plant hire business were also granted contracts for over €5m by kerry county council.....I happened to be visiting a hospital last week and everywhere patients care was under serous stress due to cutbacks!yet we still have money for the wages and expenses of theses clowns(and dont get me started on how much o donoghue and his wife screwed from the taxpayer on 5* hotels and 1st class travel!!!)

Don't forget MHR 'broke his heart' to get elected to that place (our parliament)
I bet he bloody did when his family can 'earn' 8.5million over 14 years - all off the back of public funds.

Apparently, MHR signed up for an Oireachtas-run course for parliamentary assistant with very generous expenses attached - the only person who arrived every day, promptly signed in and left after three minutes was MHR.

anymore

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Hope your trip doesn't go through Drumcondra or Tipperary, so!

Just to clarify - not excusing the 2 in question - just pointing out that if we were to avoid all constituencies in which lying con-men were elected, we'd all be travelling in boats.

Fortunately with the dual carriageway/motorway, there is absolutely no reason or need to stop in Tipperary anymore.
I disagree with you on the question of avoiding areas or even boycotting them as a protest against Gombeen politics. One has to start somewhere and to be quite honest the increasing ' urbanisation of parts of the Ring of Kerry combined with the ' industrialisation of parts of it and degradation of other parts mean, for me anyway, that visits to Kerrty are becoming less and less enjoyable. If they dont care enough about Kerry's environment and are happy to elect the people they do, then I am not sure I want to spend my money there anymore.

anymore

kippy wrote: »

totally agree,
Theres no point boycotting these places.
I mean not all people would have voted for these guys anyway and as you say theres not many constituencies that havent at least in some stage in the past elected a clown of ethical and moral low standing.

Again I disagree with you on boycotting. Here is one constituency where many people from outside the constituency actuaally do contribute directly to the economy of the area. Those from outside the area who try to comment on matters in the area, for example the environment, are frequeantly told to ' mind our own business and that we dont understand the country'. Well I see nothing wrong with literally taking my business elsewhere. It is irrelevant whether there are people who didnt vote for them or not.

uriah

anymore wrote: »

Fortunately with the dual carriageway/motorway, there is absolutely no reason or need to stop in Tipperary anymore.
I disagree with you on the question of avoiding areas or even boycotting them as a protest against Gombeen politics. One has to start somewhere and to be quite honest the increasing ' urbanisation of parts of the Ring of Kerry combined with the ' industrialisation of parts of it and degradation of other parts mean, for me anyway, that visits to Kerrty are becoming less and less enjoyable. If they dont care enough about Kerry's environment and are happy to elect the people they do, then I am not sure I want to spend my money there anymore.

I'm sure they'll manage without your few euro if the price you expect them to pay is to halt development, keep the popiulation low, restrict industry/jobs. Should the permanent residents freeze the county in time so that you can enjoy it on a couple of days per year?
Go elsewhere.

kippy

anymore wrote: »

Again I disagree with you on boycotting. Here is one constituency where many people from outside the constituency actuaally do contribute directly to the economy of the area. Those from outside the area who try to comment on matters in the area, for example the environment, are frequeantly told to ' mind our own business and that we dont understand the country'. Well I see nothing wrong with literally taking my business elsewhere. It is irrelevant whether there are people who didnt vote for them or not.

Thats where we disagree, I am glad tourists to ireland dont take your view of such matters......

COUCH WARRIOR

kippy wrote: »

Thats where we disagree, I am glad tourists to ireland dont take your view of such matters......

Well I think we're all glad, but if we continue to degrade our product by allowing permission for one off housing to be made by "gombeen politicians" that "understand the country side" then eventually they will stop comming. Sort of the reverse of if you build it they will come

anymore

uriah wrote: »

I'm sure they'll manage without your few euro if the price you expect them to pay is to halt development, keep the popiulation low, restrict industry/jobs. Should the permanent residents freeze the county in time so that you can enjoy it on a couple of days per year?
Go elsewhere.

The majority of my holidays as an adult over 25 years have been spent in kerry as well as weekends/days away, so I am one of those people who put thier money where their mouth is. However there is often a tendency to ignore or thake for granted the views of those who business is taken for granted. I am not at all opposed to development - I merely opposed rampant development that will kill the golden goose that tourism has been for areas like Kerry. There are many areas in kerry quite suitable for development, be industrial, green energy or large retail development. Howver there are sensitive environmental areas which once developed will result in the loss of vital revenue from the tourist industry. I have often admired how Muckross House has been able to expand its facilities to cater for the very volumes of people which visit it without taking away from the rutal charm of the place. There are other areas, for example the gardens of Daniel O Connell's house in Derrynane which could certainly be developed further to bring in further tourism. But if people are simply going to plonk bungalows, usually holiday homes owned by non-locals who bring most items even groceries, into the area from shops outside the area, on the crest lines of hills adjacent to the shoreline, then forget it. The tourist trade will be hurt

kippy

COUCH WARRIOR wrote: »

Well I think we're all glad, but if we continue to degrade our product by allowing permission for one off housing to be made by "gombeen politicians" that "understand the country side" then eventually they will stop comming. Sort of the reverse of if you build it they will come

I dont think you get the point.

COUCH WARRIOR

kippy wrote: »

I dont think you get the point.

I think his point is that he wants to punish the locals for voting for gombeen politicians. And the response is that we're glad foreign tourists don't. However the end result will be the same, electing gombeen politians leads to a degrading of the country side which will effect the tourist industry if left unchecked. So it doesn't really matter what the motive is the end result will be the same, fewer tourists

kippy

COUCH WARRIOR wrote: »

I think his point is that he wants to punish the locals for voting for gombeen politicians. And the response is that we're glad foreign tourists don't. However the end result will be the same, electing gombeen politians leads to a degrading of the country side which will effect the tourist industry if left unchecked. So it doesn't really matter what the motive is the end result will be the same

Yep, thats the point, we are a country that has elected some right idiots

Boycotting areas of the country because of who they elect is daft. It's that simple.
I wouldn't be able to holiday in this country at all.
What however does work and has been proven to work, is that those in the country that care, put pressure on the people they have elected, to change laws, tighten up monitoring and ensure that there is a level of accountability to the whole electorate, not just the guys that elect you.
Degrading the country side is the very least of our worries at this stage. One of housing for residents of areas has not and is not the major issue the country faces but if people want to muddy the waters then let them at it.

InReality

Politicans are corrupt all over the world.
The difference is countries which have agencies that have an agenda/vested interest that can counter-balance them.

Setting up HIQA to be a counter-balance to the HSE is a good example of how to do this. HIQA is not perfect , but has potential.

The US for example is quite good at going after pols.
Here we have no strong agency to do this.

Its the only way but will any pol set something like that up here ?
Could easily come back to haunt him or her personally , say they made a genuine mistake , and that became one of the first test case of the new agency.....

Thats as far as my analysis for reform goes. Hope someone can figure out the next step !

rasper

gambiaman wrote: »

Don't forget MHR 'broke his heart' to get elected to that place (our parliament)
I bet he bloody did when his family can 'earn' 8.5million over 14 years - all off the back of public funds.

Apparently, MHR signed up for an Oireachtas-run course for parliamentary assistant with very generous expenses attached - the only person who arrived every day, promptly signed in and left after three minutes was MHR.

So have the rules on the expenses been changed to actually staying for the full amount including signing on afterwards,
Sometimes we need a chancer to point out the flaws in a system, but its to our shame if these loopholes arent close off, this goes for the above, social welfare, refugee status, medical cards and all our "entitlements"

anymore

kippy wrote: »

Yep, thats the point, we are a country that has elected some right idiots

Boycotting areas of the country because of who they elect is daft. It's that simple.
I wouldn't be able to holiday in this country at all.
What however does work and has been proven to work, is that those in the country that care, put pressure on the people they have elected, to change laws, tighten up monitoring and ensure that there is a level of accountability to the whole electorate, not just the guys that elect you.
Degrading the country side is the very least of our worries at this stage. One of housing for residents of areas has not and is not the major issue the country faces but if people want to muddy the waters then let them at it.

I think you will find most of us here are capable of dealing with a multitude of issues, so dont worry about 'us muddying the waters'. If it is an issue for you, why not just stick with the topics you think you need to focus.

kippy

anymore wrote: »

I think you will find most of us here are capable of dealing with a multitude of issues, so dont worry about 'us muddying the waters'. If it is an issue for you, why not just stick with the topics you think you need to focus.

I am and do.

What is happening here is exactly what happened with Callelly, O Donohoe, O Dea, Aherne, etc etc



I think its a bit like bringing up a child. If a child starts crying, a simple act of distraction usually makes them forget why they are crying and they simply move onto the next issue.

Rebelheart

This family is embarrassing on so many levels. I used to love Ciarraí and spent numerous summers in the gaeltacht there, but ever since the loyal lieges of Dingle came out against An Daingean - "we'll lose tourists!" - I just view the mass of the Kerry people as, in cultural terms, slower West Brits than the rest of the country. It was never principled cultural resistance, but rather it was the same mé féinerism which marked the peasantry in the rest of Ireland sometime around the year 1885. Slow people, not "cute".

As such, there is no better people in Ireland to represent Kerry people than the Healy-Rea family and its extraordinary corruption and gombeenism. They are a perfect example of representative democracy, in fact.

Mr.Micro

Rebelheart wrote: »

This family is embarrassing on so many levels. I used to love Ciarraí and spent numerous summers in the gaeltacht there, but ever since the loyal lieges of Dingle came out against An Daingean - "we'll lose tourists!" - I just view the mass of the Kerry people as, in cultural terms, slower West Brits than the rest of the country. It was never principled cultural resistance, but rather it was the same mé féinerism which marked the peasantry in the rest of Ireland sometime around the year 1885. Slow people, not "cute".

As such, there is no better people in Ireland to represent Kerry people than the Healy-Rea family and its extraordinary corruption and gombeenism. They are a perfect example of representative democracy, in fact.

Any chance we might be able to annex Kerry before Gombeenism spreads and infests the rest of the country? Is there any cure for it.....the symptoms are two p*icks going around with stupid caps stuck to their baldy heads.

Liam Byrne

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Any chance we might be able to annex Kerry before Gombeenism spreads and infests the rest of the country?

As I stated above, it's far too late for that.

When is the Moriarty Tribunal due to report anyway ? It's over 2 years late at this stage, which is an absolute disgrace.

MysticalRain

Some of the gross generalizations about Kerry I'm reading here are hilarious. MHR got 15% of the first vote preferences and people on this thread are acting like the entire county voted for him. The majority of Kerry people I know have little time for him, and his clan these days. It's an unfortunate consequence of our proportional representation system that guys like him have a decent shot at getting enough votes to get elected. Besides, there was no bigger cute hoor in this country than Bertie Aherne, and that didn't stop the good people of Drumcondra voting for him.

anymore

MysticalRain wrote: »

Some of the gross generalizations about Kerry I'm reading here are hilarious. MHR got 15% of the first vote preferences and people on this thread are acting like the entire county voted for him. The majority of Kerry people I know have little time for him, and his clan these days. It's an unfortunate consequence of our proportional representation system that guys like him have a decent shot at getting enough votes to get elected. Besides, there was no bigger cute hoor in this country than Bertie Aherne, and that didn't stop the good people of Drumcondra voting for him.

Well actually we are mainly talking about South Kerry

MysticalRain

anymore wrote: »

Well actually we are mainly talking about South Kerry

Obviously not if we have people making generalisations about the entire county.