Internship scheme offers 5,000 work placements to people on the dole

Gillington

I cant wait to see the stats of how many people get kept on after the 6/9 months or else get jobs out of their experience

Misty Chaos

Regardless of whatever or not that will be abused ( it will be ) I'd still be open to at least give something like this a try. Granted, I'll have to wait until September ( only finished college at the start of June ) but its worth a shot if nothing else has come up for me between now and then.

Mark200

There will definitely be a few employers who abuse this but I think its still a great initiative. Not only will it be great for peoples CVs but I think it'll be great for their morale too to actually have the opportunity to work. I know if I was unemployed I'd be jumping at this opportunity.

stupidusername

Gillington wrote: »

I cant wait to see the stats of how many people get kept on after the 6/9 months or else get jobs out of their experience

i'm doing the wpp at the moment. so is a girl that i'm working with. she's been there since september and has been told now that there's no paid job for her.

I'll have my 6 months done in mid august, and can't really see me being offered a paid job either. i mean what i'm doing is a bit more important, but doesn't change how cheap my boss is.

Lord TSC

Reminds me of a Simpsons quote actually. The idea works "In theory. In theory, communism works. In theory."

It's a great idea but the truth is it will be abused to hell. I'm not going to comment too much on what will already be said, but there's two things I worry about...

1. Will people be given extra for travel allowance? If I have to travel up and down to Dublin five days a week, I think that "extra 50 euro" will disappear pretty quickly, and thats before having to take on the added expenses such as food, etc.

2. People say "OH, you're getting experience to put on your CV", but what exactly does that help with? Are there going to be loads of new jobs in 6-9 months following the internship that are being kept secret? What jobs exactly is this extra experience really going to be helpful for? In 9 months, when the 5,000 interns are spit back out of the system, is there going to be 5,000 new jobs available? Or are those 5,000 people not simple going to be added back into the dole queue, going back to look for another internship along with others who did not get it before. Also, is 5,000 really going to make a real dent into the unemployment figures? I know that the teaching sector alone just got about 1,500 new fully-trained people injected into it's system.

3. Finally, how tailored are these internships really going to be for the field of work people are qualified in? I was actually offered an internship a few months back. As a qualified teacher, I was offered an internship in an office as a secretary. I was told (by FAS) it would offer me experience. I asked how it was going to help me get a job as a teacher or how experience fetching coffee was going to help me get work in a school. They said, "Yeah, you're right" and never got back to me. I can't see the point of people being offered internships if there's no jobs available afterwards to be honest, and if the internships are not actually available in the fields people have trained in :S

mikom

jonnny68 wrote: »

Out of curiosity i called the number on the website, the guy who answered seemed disinterested and couldn't wait to end the call i asked a few questions like "what are the chances of this being abused by employers" answer "nothing i can do about it" :rolleyes: i also asked " what about any extra money for people who have to pay for travel,etc" answer " no nothing else"

Probably an intern........

Remember at the end of blazing saddles when they built the fake town to distract the bad guys from the real town.
That's what this scheme is.

Spunge

Isn't this kind of the same as the fas WPP ?

Which i heard was pretty abused, having people doing things like pumping petrol

strokemyclover

gonedrinking wrote: »

If its impossible to get a job already what could be your objection with this? Businesses can't create new jobs because they can't afford it. People out of uni are rotting away on the dole. At the moment no ones winning.

Sorry, I should have made it clearer in my original post, this is going to make it harder for those already with the experience to gain properly paid work. Why hire someone looking for a modest wage when you can hire two recent graduates to do a similar amount of work.

Scandalous if you ask me. I do appreciate that graduates need to gain the experience but not at the expense of other people's (and their own future) wage. This should be moved away from the public domain ASAP and the onus placed on the companies themselves i.e. create a set amount of graduate roles for every certain number of jobs created. It's the only way we can be certain it won't be abused!

blahfckingblah

it must be a front for their pro emigration initiative, it seems to running very well actually.

Gulliver

If you are unemployed, but not in receipt of any money due to means test I wonder will you just get the €50?

The Intern FAQ leads me to believe this is all a person in this situation would receive.

Tehachapi

I'm tired of people saying the government are doing this to skew live register figures. That is nonsense. Firstly there are only 5,000 places so it's really the difference between 446,000 and 441,000 signing on - hardly a significant difference (that's if 100% of the places are filled - also unlikely) AND as far as I know they are still included in the live register figures anyway because they still receive a social welfare payment.

The scheme itself may have flaws (one of the flaws with WPP was people were losing money on travel/lunch and this addresses that in some respect), but if you have a problem with the scheme - write to fas or your TDs. Complaining on boards.ie won't make the slightest difference.

Tehachapi

pickarooney wrote: »

If you were taken on under this scheme would you be able to just show up whenever you like, pick and choose what tasks to perform and dress however you wish? If the company is not paying the workers it would be a bit much to expect model employee behaviour in return.

Not if you want a reference, notable experience on your CV, or even the slightest chance of being kept on after the placement.

marxcoo

Honest to God... I dunno what some people are expecting the government to do...wave a magic wand and create decently paid jobs for everyone. Of course, this initiative has flaws and is open to abuse by employers but at the end of the day, you'll be better off after 6-9 months showing that you have gained some work experiece than you would have been doing nothing at all. News flash- people who are trying to get ahead now are working for free all over the place, whether it's an official internship or not- people now realise that's what they have to do to either gain skills or maintain their skills while unemployed.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Any restaurants or hotels taking part? :rolleyes:

stevejr

seamus wrote: »

It's a good move as it gives people the chance to get valuable experience and also be exposed to a potential new employer and impress them, resulting in a proper job..

Where is the incentive for the employer to porperly hire anyone at all for a role that can be filled by an intern?

As a poster pointed out earlier, in the US a lot of companies use internships as a cost saver. What's to stop that situation being replicated here?

Also I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that this iniative can be traced right back to the beneficiary-companies, and the government is piggy-backing on the idea.

dlofnep

We are being governed by incompetents. All this will do is displace people who are already seeking work. 5,000 potential places, where someone can earn a wage - could be follied off to a 21 year old who would be working 40 hours a week for the rate of €3.75 an hour.

This is absolutely ridiculous. You can't force people to work for €3.75 an hour - it is slave labour. If people voluntarily wish to go for an internship, that's fine - but to force people to work for as little as €3.75 an hour is absolutely shocking.

marxcoo

dlofnep wrote: »

We are being governed by incompetents. All this will do is displace people who are already seeking work. 5,000 potential places, where someone can earn a wage - could be follied off to a 21 year old who would be working 40 hours a week for the rate of €3.75 an hour.

This is absolutely ridiculous. You can't force people to work for €3.75 an hour - it is slave labour. If people voluntarily wish to go for an internship, that's fine - but to force people to work for as little as €3.75 an hour is absolutely shocking.

How are people being forced???? It's an optional internship

BASHIR

If companies can afford and need desperately, people to do well paid jobs there are goin to hire someone with experience a fresh grad needs to be thought trained what to do when they come in to the workforce, this takes time and money. Money most places can't afford right now, why else don't you think they would be hiring. If this initiative gives this training and experience to some people that don't have it, and gives them to the chance to gain knowledge they might not have already have then what harm is it doing. You are your own person if you feel you are being exploited not being used to your full potential, then leave ffs. Noboby is making you stay in the intern position.

dlofnep

marxcoo wrote: »

How are people being forced???? It's an optional internship

Fair enough. That wasn't made clear originally.

My other points still stand - it will be exploited by companies.

Biggins

dlofnep wrote: »

...My other points still stand - it will be exploited by companies.

Indeed.
Anco, Manpower then FAS came up with similar ideas like these and they ended up the same way,used and abused.
Fourth time lucky? I have deep reservations - but would love to be proved wrong.
Honestly.

LightningBolt

I'm hoping that this scheme is not made available to Hotels/Restaurants and Retail industries. They're getting cheaper weekend rates with amendments to the JLCs in place.

If this scheme is to work the only companies that should be taken on are those that operate in the high tech, pharmaceutical, professional services and energy sectors.

blahfckingblah

marxcoo wrote: »

How are people being forced???? It's an optional internship

it is optional but it wont serve anyone much good in the long run. in 9 months time people who take the internships will be no further ahead than say people who have freshly lost their jobs and are signing onto the live register therefore not having the advantage much talked about. add to that the fact that they are using the time in which they could be searching for real jobs to work for free. anyone who is backing this scheme is obviously more confident in the government and the good will of business owners than i do.

Lord TSC

marxcoo wrote: »

Honest to God... I dunno what some people are expecting the government to do...wave a magic wand and create decently paid jobs for everyone.

See, I wasn't naive enough to vote for someone based on a promise of creating new jobs (since it was obvious they never would and could), but you can't blame people for expecting them to when it was a key part of their election campaign....

blahfckingblah

already the companys participating, hertz, tesco, dimplex, quinn, esb, glanbia, bt, bord na mona, dawn farms, tv3, smirfitt kappa, aer lingus.

not exactly your average small business, big companies using the scheme to get free labour to enlarge their margins

Lord TSC

Tv3 you say :O Always interested in journalism but I'd imagine it's a pretty dodgy position that everyone will go after

And wow, an internship at Tesco? Where do I sign up :P

marxcoo

blahfckingblah wrote: »

it is optional but it wont serve anyone much good in the long run. in 9 months time people who take the internships will be no further ahead than say people who have freshly lost their jobs and are signing onto the live register therefore not having the advantage much talked about. add to that the fact that they are using the time in which they could be searching for real jobs to work for free. anyone who is backing this scheme is obviously more confident in the government and the good will of business owners than i do.

The purpose of the internship is to give someone experience that they wouldn't previously have gotten. In that sense, I would disagree with you saying that they would be no further ahead at the end of the nine months. People can look for real jobs when they get home in the evening and at the weekends, the people spending 8-9 hours a day, 5 days a week looking for work are few and far between. It's not so much that I am very confident in the government or the goodwill of business owners, it's just that I've seen how much some people have benefitted from the opportunity to take on a internship, especially those who would have had zero hope in finding employment prior to that.

Handsome Bob

Spunge wrote: »

Isn't this kind of the same as the fas WPP ?

The key difference seems to be that under this new scheme, companies only get one shot at it, whereas under the FAS WPP there are companies who have made an art out of ensuring that a large part of their workforce is consistently covered by FAS WPPS.

blahfckingblah

marxcoo wrote: »

The purpose of the internship is to give someone experience that they wouldn't previously have gotten. In that sense, I would disagree with you saying that they would be no further ahead at the end of the nine months. People can look for real jobs when they get home in the evening and at the weekends, the people spending 8-9 hours a day, 5 days a week looking for work are few and far between. It's not so much that I am very confident in the government or the goodwill of business owners, it's just that I've seen how much some people have benefitted from the opportunity to take on a internship, especially those who would have had zero hope in finding employment prior to that.

thats the purpose yes, and its a novel idea but it wont work in the sense that its meant to. some people will benefit in this sence i agree, but the sense that it will put them at a higher preference for employers is bull. they will be in the exact same situation as people signing on for the first time when they finish their internships.
not 8-9 hours no but its very hard to call a business outside office hours or call into businesses etc.
if the person does get employed i believe some employers will factor in that the person is after working for months unpaid into the salary they are willing to pay the employee.
its not suited to parents of children either as they aren't willing to give money for child minding services. this seems to be aimed at underpaying new graduate of which i will be when this scheme is in full operation.

starlit

FYI, Website link to new internship scheme with job-bridge.

Check out the website: http://www.jobbridge.ie/

KeithAFC

If you want to get people back to work, offer them a job placement and pay them a full wage. Stop messing about. This will not get people to go on work placements.

stupidusername

why are there no jobs up on it yet? i mean are they waiting till the 1st to even display them?

Caitlinn

stupidusername wrote: »

why are there no jobs up on it yet? i mean are they waiting till the 1st to even display them?

Information about it is up today but the advertising of places doesn't start until Friday according to http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Press/PressReleases/2011/Pages/pr290611.aspx

marxcoo

blahfckingblah wrote: »

thats the purpose yes, and its a novel idea but it wont work in the sense that its meant to. some people will benefit in this sence i agree, but the sense that it will put them at a higher preference for employers is bull. they will be in the exact same situation as people signing on for the first time when they finish their internships.

But it will put them at more of an advantage than they would have been if they hadn't done the internship. If you were an employer would you rather someone with no work experience or someone who had completed 9 months of unpaid work. At the end of the day, you don't stand a chance in hell in getting into any area at the moment without some form of experience in it.

sunflower27

I will most definitely be applying. Out of work 6 months. 18 years experience in media, and in a particular area that is dying a death at an alarming rate.

I have applied for so many different positions but because my work experience is limited to a specific field I have not been able to secure paid work.

I do volunteer work so I am active in my community, but it is not the same as getting up each day and doing something productive.

Yes, the extra 50e will probably only cover transport, but I am not doing it for an extra 50e.

Sure beats sittinga round all day feeling depressed and useless.

To anyone here thinking of going for an internship - good luck!!!

ejmaztec

stupidusername wrote: »

why are there no jobs up on it yet? i mean are they waiting till the 1st to even display them?

Perhaps they're waiting for interns to put the jobs up on the system.

Cypher_sounds

For a lot of people the 50 euro they will be getting for the weeks work will be used up on the cost of the diesel/petrol that they will be putting into their cars to get into the work lol absolute shambles of an idea imo that only benefits the big companies who have got us into this recession in the first place FG should go and shove their plan up their big asshole.

Cypher_sounds

sunflower27 wrote: »

I will most definitely be applying. Out of work 6 months. 18 years experience in media, and in a particular area that is dying a death at an alarming rate.

I have applied for so many different positions but because my work experience is limited to a specific field I have not been able to secure paid work.

I do volunteer work so I am active in my community, but it is not the same as getting up each day and doing something productive.

Yes, the extra 50e will probably only cover transport, but I am not doing it for an extra 50e.

Sure beats sittinga round all day feeling depressed and useless.

To anyone here thinking of going for an internship - good luck!!!

Thats my point, the money will only cover the transport cost for the week, better off looking for work for the whole week instead of slaving for these muppets working for feck all and not contributing tax.

sunflower27

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

For a lot of people the 50 euro they will be getting for the weeks work will be used up on the cost of the diesel/petrol that they will be putting into their cars to get into the work lol absolute shambles of an idea imo that only benefits the big companies who have got us into this recession in the first place FG should go and shove their plan up their big asshole.

If there is anyone out there like me, and I am sure there is, the chance to re-skill is an absolute joy. I've never been out of work - I think maybe a matter of months in 12 years and sitting around all day waiting for a job to crop up that I even have a chance of getting is soul destroying.

I'd happily spend the 50e on travel.

A lot of people may be happy to sit around all day and live hand to mouth, by I am not one of them. Will be interesting to see how many people apply... I'd say there will be plenty, especially new graduates.

Tehachapi

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

For a lot of people the 50 euro they will be getting for the weeks work will be used up on the cost of the diesel/petrol that they will be putting into their cars to get into the work lol absolute shambles of an idea imo that only benefits the big companies who have got us into this recession in the first place FG should go and shove their plan up their big asshole.

Yes it was TV3, Microsoft, HP, Tesco, etc who got us into a recession! of course!

Serious amount of horsesh1te floating around this thread.

sunflower27

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Thats my point, the money will only cover the transport cost for the week, better off looking for work for the whole week instead of slaving for these muppets working for feck all and not contributing tax.

But it doesn't take long to look for jobs. Everything is online these days. It is a matter of spending half an hour each morning checking all the sites/papers.

Sitting around all day at home, using up electricity, bored out of my brain, watching my self esteem drop as each new month rolls in... it isn't a grand old life for a lot of people that have always worked, been able to afford a few luxuries instead of watching every penny and waiting for the bills to come in.

stupidusername

well i will apply, just don't know how likely it is i'll get something. but sunflower if you've been out of work that long, and are up for doing something for experience, why haven't you done a wpp?

sunflower27

stupidusername wrote: »

well i will apply, just don't know how likely it is i'll get something. but sunflower if you've been out of work that long, and are up for doing something for experience, why haven't you done a wpp?

I've applied!!!! Not got any though - I'm late-30s so I think possibly that has gone against me.

LighterGuy

Hmmm.....
heard about this on the news and read the thread.

Some very good points made. While the scheme might of been created with good intentions. It will get abused and sadly probably wont work too well...

Imagine working in an office for free (that 50 euro basically goes to travelling and lunches) and you take crap off a manger or co workers!? .. Maybe be more qualified than people getting paid? ... If someone took one of these positions with using it as a reference in mind to get an ACTUAL job... fair enough. But you could be working for almost a year before being offered a proper job :pac:

ricicle

I am an unemployed graduate and I think this is a great idea for those who wish to enhance their skills. Every day I receive rejection after rejection which I presume is because there are people out there with much more experience than I have; an opportunity like this would really help to add to my C.V and even if nothing comes of it straight away it would be a confidence builder and something to do each day.

Solnskaya

feck away and roll up a hill. 5000???5000???500,000 is the number needed, and if you want to pretend that you are going to work, just buy a hi-vis vest and some black bags and go out picking up rubbish. This is a muppet, tinchy little scheme dreamt up by fanny headed Muppet herders and its contribution(barring 5000 souls getting a 2 week ego boost until the novelty wears off) will be s.f.a unless you count the 5000 people who will not be hired because employers will fill posts with the new army of freebie-skivvies. A dumb, simplistic LITTLE scheme from our dumb, simplistic little leaders, getting publicity waaay beyond its merit. And before the squidgy squad jump down my neck, our all knowing leaders whipped the last 5 billion out of the NPRF to help "with job creation", so heres what €5,000,000,000.00 gets ye- 5000 pretendy jobs!!!! I'd prefer if they gave every one of the 450,000 unemployed a grand each and told them to feck off and do whatever they liked with it. That would probably put more real money into the economy.

Here is how the WPP Scheme went and this will be very similiar

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65110764

and this:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65095313

and now you can teach primary school children for the dole:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056309276

and they pick and choose candidates for these jobs - if you dont have experience you cant get experience
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056300518

so the whole thing is a con

TG4 are in on the antics too
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055795040&page=36


and this is my personal favourite the "washroom technician"

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65085023

checkout staff
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65054742

shoe shops in Liffey Valley were in on it too
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65051844

drive trucks for the dole:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65059001


If someone is helping a business make a profit then that person should share in that profit through pay. If the business cant afford to hire someone then they cant afford to hire someone with experience and this scheme isnt creating jobs lets not forget that.

The government shouldnt be paying private companies payrolls.

Labour market economics would show that Government interference in the labour market like this will decrease employment as companies move to replace existing workers with free interns.

The Irish government needs to stop propping up failed businesses and is delaying the correction by implementing this scheme.

In the WPP scheme people were rejected for not having enough experience to do the internship so businesses were just taking advantage. Many of the companies listed by the minister can well afford to pay interns and are not small indigenous businesses struggling but large multinationals. Neither type of business should have their profit margins widened by the struggling taxpayer.

This is madness and its very disheartening to see how so many on this thread do not understand the economic forces at work and the effects this will have.

We have a great example here:
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/irish-companies-lining-up-to-take-interns-in-new-scheme-2808565.html

prestige companies such as Hewlett Packard, Google, Facebook and the ESB would take on at least one intern with the possibility of some larger companies taking on between five and 10 workers.

A total of 500 companies have already signed up to the scheme including the Quinn group, Smurfit Kappa, Mercury Engineering and Aer Lingus.

The new scheme is a two year internship programme offering work placements to 5,000 people currently on the live register in the hope of giving them the chance to get a foot on the employment ladder

first the property ladder now the employment ladder - what happens if you gave every unemployed person an internship? The the price level increases or in employment terms the minimum experience needed for a job increases because nothing has been changed to create new jobs.

Fiddling while Rome burns.

Degrees are the new leaving cert
Internships are the new degrees but you need to get the leaving cert and the degree first and at the end of it you`ll still be going to England or Australia

7sr2z3fely84g5

Great debate on VB about min wage,glad to see cutting min wage is bollox and wrong..

Oranage2

Deleted User wrote: »

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Fiddling while Rome burns.

Degrees are the new leaving cert
Internships are the new degrees but you need to get the leaving cert and the degree first and at the end of it you`ll still be going to England or Australia

It's called moving with the times - you can either get on the bus early or stay on the dole!

Solnskaya

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's called moving with the times - you can either get on the bus early or stay on the dole!

It's not. It's called being a mug and swallowing the old crap of"study hard, get a good job, do well in school and everything else will fall into place". TOTAL and utter crap. Graduates are ten a penny, teach your kids to fend for themselves and how to make money for themselves. If you follow the old logic, you will just be the best educated guy on the dole.

Oranage2

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's called moving with the times - you can either get on the bus early or stay on the dole!

no its ignoring the real problems the list of reasons companies fail and the reasons companies cite when they relocate out of Ireland:

High Wages
High Insurance
High Rent
High Electricity
High Rates

^^ Fix them and you create jobs, having the government pay their staff is bollox the taxpayer doesnt need.

But Bill Cullen would love the Govt to pay his staff so he can hold onto more money for himself