Internship scheme offers 5,000 work placements to people on the dole

ilovesleep

This country will be turned into a nation of slaves. Just give it time. Of course we'll all just roll over until bailout number two happens where we will roll over once more to save more banks.

Oranage2

Deleted User wrote: »

Honestly if you apply for that job on WPP well i think you deserve it!

If you're left just making coffee or typing reports then leave. There will be abuse but only if people allow themselves to be abused! there's no penalty for leaving.

As for its our taxes paying for this - TBH I dont mind giving up a few more of my taxes to help a fellow country man/woman out. I know companies are increasing their margins by not actually paying a staff member but the staff member is actually getting industry experience so the old cliche cycle of "not enough experience to get a job and cant get a job to get experience" will be broken.

I notice in Irish society that there are the go gethers and the whingers!

The Whingers want somebody to knock on their door and offer them a 30k job.
While the go gethers get out there and do what they have to do!

mikom

Oranage2 wrote: »

The Whingers want somebody to knock on their door and offer them a 30k job.
While the go gethers get out there and do what they have to do!

mopping toilets.......

blahfckingblah

but this doesnt change the fact that the jobs just arent there, it just changes slightly your likelyhood of getting one of the jobs that are there. the money used for this could have been used for numerous other things.

Amhran Nua

gonedrinking wrote: »

Well our minimum wage is way too high for a start, it makes our businesses uncompetitive and prevents job creation, so this is a good way around that problem.

There are very few people on the minimum wage as a percentage of the whole workforce. And low wages don't mean a more competitive country, if that were the case every business would be off to Africa.

In fact, some of the most successful countries are high wage countries. Germany has an average wage of around a grand a week.

Lower wages are great for business owners, not so great for the economy.

What happened here is the solicitors, teachers and publicans who make up the majority of TDs, led by Enda Kenny who never received a paycheque that wasn't signed by the Irish taxpayer, like his father before him, and cheered on by the union boys in Labour, tried to figure out how to create jobs. They couldn't work it out, of course, so they just asked IBEC. IBEC being as economically illiterate as the politicians and desiring nothing more than profits whatever the social cost, said hey, cut the minimum wage.

These two sets of geniuses are going to run the future of the country into the ground, even more than it is already, which is a good trick when you think about it.

Its not like there aren't other options, better options.

Once your dole becomes dependent on taking an internship or one of the workfare positions, and it hasn't yet, you have effectively organised a slave labour caste.

The only jobs these gombeens are capable of creating are quangos as favours for party supporters.

Bens

The only advice I can give is that if you work, you should be paid.
If people want you to work for free get some balls and emigrate. If you put up with working for nothing and still beoing a burden on the tax payer, you really deserve everything thats coming to you.

For gods sake, go somewhere where you will get paid for working AND get experience.

You'd think that nobody ever had a hard time getting a job in Ireland before, with all the people saying they have no choice.

I know heaps of people who emigrated in the last couple of years. Not one of them is jobless. Balls and action, not excuses people.

sunflower27

Bens wrote: »

The only advice I can give is that if you work, you should be paid.
If people want you to work for free get some balls and emigrate. If you put up with working for nothing and still beoing a burden on the tax payer, you really deserve everything thats coming to you.

For gods sake, go somewhere where you will get paid for working AND get experience.

You'd think that nobody ever had a hard time getting a job in Ireland before, with all the people saying they have no choice.

I know heaps of people who emigrated in the last couple of years. Not one of them is jobless. Balls and action, not excuses people.

As someone who has lived in Ireland (and paid taxes) long enough to be eligible to be able to work now without a work permit, it is not as easy for me to just up and leave. If I could move to the UK I would in a heartbeat, but as I am not an EU national I would need to be sponsored and if I then lost the job I would be on very dodgy ground.

I know a few people that have moved to London and am personally baffled that more people haven't moved to the UK for work. I know it isn't the answer for everyone, but if I was able to do it, I'd be gone

Lady Chuckles

This isn't the right way to go. At all. We have it in Sweden and I was on such a programme last year. I worked just as much as everybody else at the company of my "intership" but got no pay from them, I got that from the dole. Around 500 € per month to be precise. Free labour for the company, no money for me and no time left over to find myself a proper job... No wonder I felt less of a person. I could barely afford to pay my own rent AND food.

This is the most disgusting scheme I know. It crushed my selfesteem and had me crying every single day It's a no go.

sunflower27

Lady Chuckles wrote: »

This isn't the right way to go. At all. We have it in Sweden and I was on such a programme last year. I worked just as much as everybody else at the company of my "intership" but got no pay from them, I got that from the dole. Around 500 € per month to be precise. Free labour for the company, no money for me and no time left over to find myself a proper job... No wonder I felt less of a person. I could barely afford to pay my own rent AND food.

This is the most disgusting scheme I know. It crushed my selfesteem and had me crying every single day It's a no go.

Are things any better for you now? You poor thing.

Lady Chuckles

sunflower27 wrote: »

Are things any better for you now? You poor thing.

Much better indeed, thank you My mother managed to get me a job with her company. A proper one. So I've been hired since February, my contract expires in August and I hope someone will extend it or else I'm forced back to poverty (but hopefully I've managed to get my dole up a little from this work so things won't be as bad)

I hope last year was rock-bottom. I also got sick last year and had to pay for a 200€ medicine. I moved home to my parents that month as I couldn't afford food and the "down-and-outs" wouldn't help me.

Now things can only get better

tonsiltickler

Will be abused an unbelievable amount. A family member was working with an up an coming company as a general operative. A number of staff were told that business wasn't good and were let go. The real truth came to light a few days later when she found that they were replaced by students on work placement.

I feel sorry for people in lower paid positions. Lets be honest, there are no jobs being created here, why would any company pay people on minimum wage as well as prsi etc, when they will have a continuous free source of labour?

At absolute minimum the companies involved should be liable for the extra dole money and prsi contributions. Legislation should be in place so that paid workers aren't displaced and should be heavily policed. This is Ireland though, so that wont ever happen.

Makes me sick

sunflower27

Lady Chuckles wrote: »

Much better indeed, thank you My mother managed to get me a job with her company. A proper one. So I've been hired since February, my contract expires in August and I hope someone will extend it or else I'm forced back to poverty (but hopefully I've managed to get my dole up a little from this work so things won't be as bad)

I hope last year was rock-bottom. I also got sick last year and had to pay for a 200€ medicine. I moved home to my parents that month as I couldn't afford food and the "down-and-outs" wouldn't help me.

Now things can only get better

Great to hear. I think for a lot of people in this predicament, you start to think that things will never improve. Really glad to hear things have got a lot better for you and fingers crossed that your contract is extended. I suppose no harm in looking around - just in case.

sunflower27

tonsiltickler wrote: »

Will be abused an unbelievable amount. A family member was working with an up an coming company as a general operative. A number of staff were told that business wasn't good and were let go. The real truth came to light a few days later when she found that they were replaced by students on work placement.

I'm fairly certain that is illegal. Has the family member sought legal advice on this?

Lady Chuckles

sunflower27 wrote: »

Great to hear. I think for a lot of people in this predicament, you start to think that things will never improve. Really glad to hear things have got a lot better for you and fingers crossed that your contract is extended. I suppose no harm in looking around - just in case.

Aww, thank you so much! You're ever so sweet!!
I am keeping an eye out for all sorts of jobs and saving as much money as I possibly can (just in case). I've learned one can never take anything for granted

sunflower27

Lady Chuckles wrote: »

Aww, thank you so much! You're ever so sweet!!
I am keeping an eye out for all sorts of jobs and saving as much money as I possibly can (just in case). I've learned one can never take anything for granted

I'm in the same situation re saving. I was never a saver before, but these days I have living on next-to-nothing down to a fine art.

I know it isn't forever in my more positive moments and I will never take my good fortune for granted again

Lady Chuckles

sunflower27 wrote: »

I'm in the same situation re saving. I was never a saver before, but these days I have living on next-to-nothing down to a fine art.

I know it isn't forever in my more positive moments and I will never take my good fortune for granted again

Sounds good! You should remember to treat yourself from time to time as well, though. Living on next to nothing isn't easy or very nice - and these treats doesn't have to be big expenses either, just a little something to tell yourself you're doing well. Maybe it could be as simple as having your favourite bun in a café or to buy that magazine you really enjoy reading

I'll be thinking of you extra.
xx

stupidusername

I registered with FAS years ago when trying to get a job after school,back in 2002,went back after I finished college,and had forgotten i'd registered. Thought it was funny that not once in the 7years I was registered did they contact me with job details.

But now,9years after first registering I just got a phone call asking if I was interested in a job!

Apanachi

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Germany has an average wage of around a grand a week.

It most definitely does not!!!!

The only people I know over here on that kind of money are doctors and lawery and the like, your average Joe Soap has 500/week if they're lucky (and then come the horrendous taxes and deductions) so that a person on about 2,000/month has a take home pay of about 1,300

Lux23

Its about 45k in Germany but they now have a massive problem with internships over there.

Internships for green graduates who want to get in certain industries are great but you can be guaranteed in a few months time these positions will be taking on more experienced folk.

What I find most odd about people who think these schemes are great is that they don't realise how easy it will be for their own pay and conditions to be undermined by the appearance of free labour in the marketplace. This will and has driven wages down.

Gillington

First job up

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/

Lord TSC

Who is it for? Looking at it, I cant seem to see any info of who you'd be working for and that's never a good sign...

Jessibelle

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Who is it for? Looking at it, I cant seem to see any info of who you'd be working for and that's never a good sign...

e-frontiers? they're a recruitment agency in Dublin. Just basing that on the email address and job spec given though.

mikom

Jessibelle wrote: »

e-frontiers? they're a recruitment agency in Dublin.

The irony.
Only in Ireland.

starviewadams

Keep getting a Fas jobbank error when I click on the link.Typicaly Irish!

kilburn

for all the hype and interviews and the supposed 500 companies who were gonna take part one job goes up on the first day with a recruitment agency FFS

Gillington

Lol didnt even realise that.Only in Ireland alright

Oranage2

From what i see - they layout is very similar to the FAS website but in blue, also its easy enough to convert wpp into an internship program -

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/

How ever all this a side, i still think anyone unemployed would benefit from doing one*


*Obviously except for the stupid ones like dog groomer, if you do however apply for one thats stupid, its probably beyond your capabilities anyway!

sunflower27

Job 2 just gone up.

At this rate it will be 2088 before 5,000 people are offered internships

gonedrinking

Oranage2 wrote: »

*Obviously except for the stupid ones like dog groomer, if you do however apply for one thats stupid, its probably beyond your capabilities anyway!

I wouldn't belittle anyone who did go for unskilled jobs, some people need to feel valued and have a sense of self worth, so even if they are only doing menial tasks they will still feel better about themselves, than if they were just sitting at home doing nothing. Plus there is the social aspect of working, some people would go mad if they had to spend most of the day alone. And at least these people will be contributing to society and earning their keep. I have a lot more respect for them than celtic tiger cubs with degrees who do nothing but sit at home and whine about the situation we're in.

kilburn

5 up now but i noticed that all 5 jobs are only for 9 weeks

mikom

Based in DUNDALK (EAST) Ref. INTE-615396


Description

On completion of the 9 month programme, the trainee Intern will: Have developed the necessary skills associated with coordinating the provision of a range of professional on-line services for career planners.

Duration

9 weeks

Make up your mind.
One is the gestation period of a human........... the other is of a dog.

Companies should really just cut wages and hire people with the savings if they want more workers

starviewadams

I assume that all positions are for 9 months and not only 9 weeks?

Weird looking at jobs and seeing the salary described as €50 plus your current SW rate.

My job is hanging by a thread at the moment so am keeping a close eye if something suitable comes up for myself.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/employment_support_schemes/national_internship_scheme.html

The number of internships that a host organisation can offer depends on their number of full-time employees, as follows:
Number of full-time employees (30+ hours) Number of internship places

• 1-10 employees 1 internship place
• 11-20 employees 2 internship places
• 21-30 employees 3 internship places
• Over 30 employees 20% of the workforce up to a maximum of 200 whichever is the smaller*
  
  *Local branch offices of national organisations will be regarded as individual organisations for the purpose of the National Internship Scheme.

Snowie

gonedrinking wrote: »

Not really. A company is only going to take an intern on if they add value to the company and therefore increase profits, which means increased tax take for this country.

Also, I and lots of others have always wanted people on the dole to pay their way and be made to work for their money. So even if I have to give them an extra 50 quid a week it still makes me feel better to think they're not just at home scratching their hole while I fund their lifestyle.

Make no mistake, Ireland is about to get a whole lot more competitive when this scheme is introduced.

Im sorry but people who are on the dole pay tax's just like any one sles it may not be on what they get payed but we do pay tax's none the less...


and with the above statement i think you have'nt given anything credible but your own narrow mind view point.

which stands for nothing


People who are in college on the dole or anything need experence. there working for free on a government funded sceme.

FG are doing a hell a lot better with the insentive to get people experenced in jobs that arnt of a poor industry. Ie have strong foundations.


as for ireland becoming more competitive that's what we need, As a nation we need to show are abilities are strong and the want to make money.. This laxitive attitude of, ahhh sure it'le do... You see it when you go into some supermarkets you see it with that bitchy local view on life fvck local we need international...

For once nepitisim wont be enough youve got show your abilities in your chosen career which in my view is a very good thing...
Because then it forces people to take pride in the jobs it forces people to work harder its shows as a nation were more focussed how is that a bad thing?

You look at the Germans and how organised they are... Ireland's mentality is like a teanagers messy Room...

If Ireland wants to regain its name as a strong country with good economic growth the half empty glass attitude needs to be forgotten....

The biggest trouble with Irish people is....

we can't sell our selves.....
Becoming more competitive is sure fire way to light that fire.

Create the interest in this country we dont have an industry but we sure as hell can provide one....

Lord TSC

So here's a question...

I've trained to be a teacher. The nature of that means that the work I currently get is sub work which I only get short notice of (as in, 9 o clock I get a call to get into the school within 15 minutes).

Now if I take up the internship and I get a call to go do subwork, am I allowed to miss a day to go for the job I'm actually qualified in? Or am I basically having to take myself out of the teaching industry for 9 months to take up the internship?

Bens

How does an intern get a job as an executive ?

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1yW26DjUJdnNZmJvk4EsxDKnmmsSN00TwUQekPBZ6kf4PQ48sOfvuC7H3Fa+xFBVr03abuFM2L4/dXpoa44oAS1S7xmGlJv9K7ey80rv4epNHM07C89z223NNmqrniIa7nsvdqMgDz/SQxKsXGxeEi1Ni620tuvZUUeNSA2Bz9xIQLpms2PZVpxKRxjCjoXDpzMBf5m++vtJzl02hnhiXIRPkTSAo0F4dHfaeId2vsP1uDGyIOHozPw8ag9xrJAYx6lRz23WZWZ0zHSXkReAlTPZ4GVEjtuKdhuDtQd8UVxCTdOkOLJaLVlm1HdSIIYOpvfZrilLb5cU98OlI3UGnkmvavMdkDXUWLcrroeS6xfZrgBXuJfd7JhDorv4IdTPqZWmdKbHd+IgZ741rTP+uohrRJIyK7WO+Je9EVa89LrrI0/J3F6kCVCDpuEaJPJpToQMeIuXpy/9

ArtSmart

Bens wrote: »

How does an intern get a job as an executive ?

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1yW26DjUJdnNZmJvk4EsxDKnmmsSN00TwUQekPBZ6kf4PQ48sOfvuC7H3Fa+xFBVr03abuFM2L4/dXpoa44oAS1S7xmGlJv9K7ey80rv4epNHM07C89z223NNmqrniIa7nsvdqMgDz/SQxKsXGxeEi1Ni620tuvZUUeNSA2Bz9xIQLpms2PZVpxKRxjCjoXDpzMBf5m++vtJzl02hnhiXIRPkTSAo0F4dHfaeId2vsP1uDGyIOHozPw8ag9xrJAYx6lRz23WZWZ0zHSXkReAlTPZ4GVEjtuKdhuDtQd8UVxCTdOkOLJaLVlm1HdSIIYOpvfZrilLb5cU98OlI3UGnkmvavMdkDXUWLcrroeS6xfZrgBXuJfd7JhDorv4IdTPqZWmdKbHd+IgZ741rTP+uohrRJIyK7WO+Je9EVa89LrrI0/J3F6kCVCDpuEaJPJpToQMeIuXpy/9

LOL

Yeah, the 31 advertised thus far does not bode well - mostly sales and "marketing" or office worker - dressed up to look like graduate jobs. disgusting. (only one software devel position which seems okish,)

Read between the lines people.

edit, I see the also have a 'convert your WPP' option.

Are the govt so fuking out of touch, or do they really think the public are so fuking naive?

scumbags.

ArtSmart

Went through most of them.

absolutely disgraceful. fuking telesales jobs! (bar one (Carlow) so far and possiblly Cork, but IT grads shouldnt need internships, though maybe I'm wrong))

BeanFlicker

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

So here's a question...

I've trained to be a teacher. The nature of that means that the work I currently get is sub work which I only get short notice of (as in, 9 o clock I get a call to get into the school within 15 minutes).

Now if I take up the internship and I get a call to go do subwork, am I allowed to miss a day to go for the job I'm actually qualified in? Or am I basically having to take myself out of the teaching industry for 9 months to take up the internship?

I'd imagine you'd have to bring it up with the organisation but you could say your gone for an interview or use the other bits of info below??

20. Do I get time off during an Internship?
Although you are not an employee of the company you should still be given adequate time
off for attending job interviews during the placement visit your local SW office and FÁS in
order to facilitate your job seeking activities.

21. Am I entitled to any leave during my time on the placement?
Yes, you are entitled to the following leave:
• Sick Leave - Over the course of an internship an individual will be allowed to take a
maximum 10 sick days without impacting on their internship allowance. Where the
number of sick days exceeds 10 sick days, this will result in the intern having to apply
for illness benefit. This will result in the loss of the €50 top up for the length of time
they are sick. However, interns will retain their basic allowance during this time. It
should be noted that periods of sickness will not extend the end date of the internship.
• Annual Leave – Interns are entitled to all the Public holidays and 1.75 annual leave
days per month of internship.

23. What if I get a job?
If you get paid work that is great! If you get a job during the placement you are under no
obligation to stay, again you should give the HO, DSP and FÁS one weeks’ notice that you
are leaving.

YFlyer

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

So here's a question...

I've trained to be a teacher. The nature of that means that the work I currently get is sub work which I only get short notice of (as in, 9 o clock I get a call to get into the school within 15 minutes).

What!? 15 minutes to get into the school. Do they think that you are hanging outside the school waiting?

ArtSmart

BeanFlicker wrote: »

I'd imagine you'd have to bring it up with the organisation but you could say your gone for an interview or use the other bits of info below??

I'm assuming you're involved in this 'initiative' in some capacity BF?

Are you happy with the postilions being offered so far?

Lord TSC

See though, thats what I mean...as a teacher, I'd get 15 mins, 30 tops of a warning that a job is available. There's no way I'd be able to give the company or anyone else "adequate advanced warning", and I'd have no clue if that job would last a day or a week. :S

BeanFlicker

ArtSmart wrote: »

I'm assuming you're involved in this 'initiative' in some capacity BF?

Are you happy with the postilions being offered so far?

I'm a recent graduate ArtSmart, mad to get something and I been unsuccessful so far so if it begins with one of these internships I'll be happy just to get started. I'd imagine it would enhance my chances (hopefully anyways) with potential employers even if you were only a few months into the internship

No not impressed so far, don't seem to offer any substance, have you?

ArtSmart

BeanFlicker wrote: »

I'm a recent graduate ArtSmart, mad to get something and I been unsuccessful so far so if it begins with one of these internships I'll be happy just to get started. I'd imagine it would enhance my chances (hopefully anyways) with potential employers even if you were only a few months into the internship

No not impressed so far, don't seem to offer any substance, have you?

I think looking at the positions so far, it seems to be the same as before - companies looking for telesales people - who they dont have to pay.

If you do apply for a position my advice is to rigorously question the prospective employer as to the duties required /expected.

If they're real, they'll appreciate your concerns and will give clear reassurance / explanations. If not, you'll get the mumbled answer or the buzz word answer.

so be very careful - better to be actively job seeking than being exploited and not having time to job seek.


as for me, i'm more the mentor than the 'mentee' type.

YFlyer

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

See though, thats what I mean...as a teacher, I'd get 15 mins, 30 tops of a warning that a job is available. There's no way I'd be able to give the company or anyone else "adequate advanced warning", and I'd have no clue if that job would last a day or a week. :S

Looks like that you have to be dressed appropriately and ready to head out the door as soon as you get a call.

Irish Slaves for Europe

ArtSmart wrote: »

I think looking at the positions so far, it seems to be the same as before - companies looking for telesales people - who they dont have to pay.

If you do apply for a position my advice is to rigorously question the prospective employer as to the duties required /expected.

If they're real, they'll appreciate your concerns and will give clear reassurance / explanations. If not, you'll get the mumbled answer or the buzz word answer.

so be very careful - better to be actively job seeking than being exploited and not having time to job seek.


as for me, i'm more the mentor than the 'mentee' type.

There is not going to be any exploiting, people are free to quit the job at any time if they wish, and there will be no penalties or anything in relation to their dole money.

BeanFlicker

ArtSmart wrote: »

I think looking at the positions so far, it seems to be the same as before - companies looking for telesales people - who they dont have to pay.

If you do apply for a position my advice is to rigorously question the prospective employer as to the duties required /expected.

If they're real, they'll appreciate your concerns and will give clear reassurance / explanations. If not, you'll get the mumbled answer or the buzz word answer.

so be very careful - better to be actively job seeking than being exploited and not having time to job seek.


as for me, i'm more the mentor than the 'mentee' type.

Yea cheers for the good advice AS, early days so hopefully the scheme won't fail as miserably as the WPP

ArtSmart

Irish Slaves for Europe wrote: »

There is not going to be any exploiting, people are free to quit the job at any time if they wish, and there will be no penalties or anything in relation to their dole money.

:rolleyes:

Irish slaves for Europe. US multinationals? LOL.


anyway, we'll see.

Irish Slaves for Europe

ArtSmart wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Irish slaves for Europe. US multinationals? LOL.


anyway, we'll see.

US multinationals paying Irish taxes. Also most of the companies up on the website so far are Irish.