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institute of education good for repeating or waste of 10 grand?
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And if any good school in Dublin had the option to admit only bright and committed students intent on maximising points, do you think it would be much different?However,the figures don't lie. You are more likely to get what you want in a grinds school.
As for jealousy, lol! I went to a terrific albeit unpretentious school; myself and three of my classmates had more than enough points for med (ironically, none of us had any interest); besides which, I had a ball! Why on earth would I be jealous?
I accept that the occasional sniping comment from the sidelines may have an element of pique, but please don't tar us all with the same brush or presume that people aren't capable of forming their own valid opinions based on a better foundation that that!0 -
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randylonghorn wrote: »And if any good school in Dublin had the option to admit only bright and committed students intent on maximising points, do you think it would be much different?
As for jealousy, lol! I went to a terrific albeit unpretentious school; myself and three of my classmates had more than enough points for med (ironically, none of us had any interest); besides which, I had a ball! Why on earth would I be jealous?
I accept that the occasional sniping comment from the sidelines may have an element of pique, but please don't tar us all with the same brush or presume that people aren't capable of forming their own valid opinions based on a better foundation that that!
your speaking for your school and it may have been great like many others, but in citys and towns you will find some horrific schools. I dont think its nice to be told by three teachers i dont care what you do in life once i get my pay packet at the end of the week more or less. Grind schools dont suit everyone, you can do well without them no doubt0 -
A few issues here.randylonghorn wrote: »And if any good school in Dublin had the option to admit only bright and committed students intent on maximising points, do you think it would be much different?
As for jealousy, lol! I went to a terrific albeit unpretentious school; myself and three of my classmates had more than enough points for med (ironically, none of us had any interest); besides which, I had a ball! Why on earth would I be jealous?
I accept that the occasional sniping comment from the sidelines may have an element of pique, but please don't tar us all with the same brush or presume that people aren't capable of forming their own valid opinions based on a better foundation that that!
Your first point. My apologies,I wasn't aware of their admission policy. I was basing this on the admission policy in Yeats which I went too. As far as I'm aware they allowed all potential students to join,I merely assumed this was the same with the institute,which,upon reflection,may be incorrect.
Also my post was at no point directed toward you. Apologies if you interpreted the post as calling you jealous,nor did I intend to undermine your intelligence. Of course it is possible to obtain excellent points in a public school,at no point did I even imply otherwise.
However,there is nearly always a sense of jealousy in these threads. Not by everyone,I don't mean to paint people with the same brush,but when we're dealing with private bs. Public,it's inevitable,as not everybody is able to have the same opportunity as others,as unfair as that may be.0 -
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Bad teachers are terrible to have to endure, but there are other options to going to a grind school. Ask around from people at other schools close to your area to see what teachers there are like. If good quality teachers is what you want, grind schools will probably have an advantage yes...but theres nothing to say there aren't very good teachers at other schools. And if there is you could save a lot of money 0
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Bad teachers are terrible to have to endure, but there are other options to going to a grind school. Ask around from people at other schools close to your area to see what teachers there are like. If good quality teachers is what you want, grind schools will probably have an advantage yes...but theres nothing to say there aren't very good teachers at other schools. And if there is you could save a lot of money
i agree, and to go back to the point is it 15000 the ioe want? thats absolutely crazy and a total rip off comparing to other grind schools. The grind schools normal schools could go on untill we are on our deathbeds:P from my experience only grinds schools are better, it may not be true but thats only my opinion anyway:)0 -
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Oh, I know, I didn't mean they had an entrance exam ... but in general, it is only bright and committed students intent on maximising points who will go there and whose parents will spend that much.The institute dont admit people based on how intelligent they are...they admit whoever pays them
Mind you, I guarantee they won't want to accept *too* many who they feel might bring their results down, even if they're able to pay.
Oh, I know some schools are better than others, and some teachers are better than others; my point is that to be a good school you don't have to be a grind school. In fact, I would argue that grind schools, while they might be brilliant at being *grind schools*, aren't in general good schools as I understand the term. Put it this way ... if I ever have kids, I won't be sending them to one!your speaking for your school and it may have been great like many others, but in citys and towns you will find some horrific schools. I dont think its nice to be told by three teachers i dont care what you do in life once i get my pay packet at the end of the week more or less.
No, as covered above, I was referring more to the type of students who tend to go there, rather than a set admissions policy.A few issues here.
Your first point. My apologies,I wasn't aware of their admission policy. I was basing this on the admission policy in Yeats which I went too. As far as I'm aware they allowed all potential students to join,I merely assumed this was the same with the institute,which,upon reflection,may be incorrect.
Oh, I wasn't taking anything personally ... my point was more that many people, including myself, are not great admirers of grinds schools for many reasons that have nothing to do with jealousy, and it's unwise to just dismiss all critical comments as emanating from that.Also my post was at no point directed toward you. Apologies if you interpreted the post as calling you jealous,nor did I intend to undermine your intelligence. Of course it is possible to obtain excellent points in a public school,at no point did I even imply otherwise.
However,there is nearly always a sense of jealousy in these threads. Not by everyone,I don't mean to paint people with the same brush,but when we're dealing with private bs. Public,it's inevitable,as not everybody is able to have the same opportunity as others,as unfair as that may be.
As I say, you may get occasional comments with an element of that, but many of us have other reasons for our views.
Just a note for clarity, btw ... grinds schools are only one subset of those schools technically considered "private" in this country, which is why I avoid using that term in reference to them, as it often causes confusion.0 -
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randylonghorn wrote: »Oh, I know, I didn't mean they had an entrance exam ... but in general, it is only bright and committed students intent on maximising points who will go there and whose parents will spend that much.
Mind you, I guarantee they won't want to accept *too* many who they feel might bring their results down, even if they're able to pay.
Oh, I know some schools are better than others, and some teachers are better than others; my point is that to be a good school you don't have to be a grind school. In fact, I would argue that grind schools, while they might be brilliant at being *grind schools*, aren't in general good schools as I understand the term. Put it this way ... if I ever have kids, I won't be sending them to one!
No, as covered above, I was referring more to the type of students who tend to go there, rather than a set admissions policy.
Oh, I wasn't taking anything personally ... my point was more that many people, including myself, are not great admirers of grinds schools for many reasons that have nothing to do with jealousy, and it's unwise to just dismiss all critical comments as emanating from that.
As I say, you may get occasional comments with an element of that, but many of us have other reasons for our views.
Just a note for clarity, btw ... grinds schools are only one subset of those schools technically considered "private" in this country, which is why I avoid using that term in reference to them, as it often causes confusion.
i agree with all the bold except the last sentence:)0 -
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randylonghorn wrote: »YOU'RE TELLING ME WHERE TO SEND MY KIDS TO SCHOOL?!!! :eek: :mad:
(I'm joking!
... I know what you mean.)
i would send my kids there but i dont mind if you differ :P0 -
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Um, not sure if we're at cross-purposes again (seems to be happening me in several threads to-night, which would suggest it's probably my fault!)Just out of curiousity,how do people generally differentiate between grind schools and private schools?
I meant that as grind schools are only a subset of private schools, I tend to avoid referring to them as "private schools", as it confuses.
Strictly speaking, the only public schools (in the American rather than the UK sense) are the vocational schools, community schools and a small number of comprehensives.
Secondary schools, or voluntary secondary schools as they are technically known, are owned and managed by private organisations, incl. religious communities, and as such are technically private schools, albeit day-to-day expenses are almost entirely covered by the state. Include here the local CBS, convent school, etc. etc.
A small number of these are fee-paying, and it is these which are generally referred to as "private schools" in conversation and even in the media, even though the category is wider as we saw above. Gonzaga, Clongowes, Kilkenny College, King's Hospital, Wesley, etc. are in this (sub)category. They do get some funding from the state, mainly teacher's salaries, but a much smaller proportion than other voluntary secondaries, and use the fees to provide additional teaching staff, facilities, etc. Ironically, in the UK these would be called "Public Schools"!
Confused yet?
And the final (sub)category of private schools are ofc the grinds schools like IoE, Yeats, Hewitt, etc.
Which is why I try to avoid using the term "private schools" for the last sub-category, as it tends to make sense to some and confuse others completely!!
(If you're banging your head against a wall at this point, I'm not picking up the medical bills! :P) 0 -
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It was the best decision I ever made, I would highly recommend it! It is definately worth the money. I would even dare say that you're better off not repeating if you don't go there (but I might really get attacked for this comment :pac:)
Ok, so I'm not going to attack you but I do disagree.... I'm sure the IOE is amazing but it's an awful lot of money, especially if you can find a school with a specialist repeat year for a fraction of the cost. I repeated this year and when I was figuring out where I wanted to repeat my parents said that if I wanted to go to the IOE they would have no problem sending me... but I felt that I couldn't put them through that financial burden... I ended up repeating in a specialist year and it was the best decision! everyone in the year was as focused as I was because we knew it was our last chance... we had brilliant teachers who really dedicated themselves, even giving us extra classes over easter christmas and on saturdays. We didn't have to do subjects like computers etc and got a minimum of 5 study classes a week.. So if you feel you're dedicated and motivated enough to study on your own then think twice before spending all that money, your parents will have to put you through college after that! good luck 0 -
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