Rapist **** as victim give evidence

All about Eve

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Handing out powers like that to the police force has been tried and proven to be one of the worst ideas ever conceived.

How did Giuliani clean up New york? Did he not crack down on scumbags and criminals and it worked?

Seachmall

All about Eve wrote: »

well i believe in the case of child killers, paedos, and rapists. Were it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. that those monsters should be beaten, and jailed for life. life meaning life. nooses should be left in their cells so if they wish they can go to hell where they belong.

I believe they should be executed. I don't want to pay for them to be punished, I just want them out of my society and it's unlikely any other country will accept them.

Causing scumbags to suffer costs us money and ultimately it's not really worth our time. Get rid of them ASAP in my opinion.

D1stant

Seachmall wrote: »

The death penalty is not a deterrent nor punishment, it is a cost and space efficient way of removing people from our society.

LOL. Are you the ultimate bean counter?

Seachmall

D1stant wrote: »

LOL. Are you the ultimate bean counter?

2 cent is worth more to me than their lives.

Taltos

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Two members of my family have been murdered in cold blood, one of them bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat in front of his two small children in his own home, the other shot dead in broad daylight in the middle of the street. I didn't support the death penalty then, and I don't support it now. So, please, spare me the 'how would you feel' rubbish.

I would much rather live in a society that sought to seek solutions to problems rather than going with the impulsive, revenge act of executing immediately. I don't agree with letting him out, but the death penalty is not a deterrent and I do not believe it is our best option. We should be better than that. Punishing horrific acts with a horrific act makes no sense, and furthermore if it's misused once, the whole practice is brought into disrepute.

Sorry for your personal losses.
However - our society is not coping at all well with people like this.
What are the choices that are there?
1. Perpetual internment and medication in a facility - where really at any stage they could be deemed sane and with a minimum of fuss released.
2. Sentenced within the law and spend a number of years in our prisons, not all are like mountjoy - some seemingly have flatscreen TVs and mobiles not to mention access to drugs. I mean lets face it - is our system really set up to rehabilitate? I think not. Either way - in a short space of time he will be released - possibly more vicious after being brutalized and dehumanised in prison.

There are plenty of other options we could look at without going to extreme.
1. Constant monitoring on release - although this is an invasion of privacy - but who are we protecting here?
2. Chemical castration - remove the chemical drive and hopefully this will have an effect. Again though supervision needed.
3. Physical castration - given the choice - to live your life where you are at the whim of your hormones if you are to believe their argument that they had no control - maybe some would indeed choose this route.
4. Chip / Tattoo their foreheads - eg RAPIST - clear signal to all to stay away.

It is just we seem to have really gotten wound up over the last while about protecting rights of the accused/guilty - to the point that we have lost sight of the victim and we seem more concerned with perpetuating the rights of these people actually above the rights of th 99% of us who do our best to live within the law?
Is that right? Should we continue to have to pay such large taxes and live in fear because this minority know that they really have nothing to fear themselves? I mean prison here with the sentences involved is not a deterrent.

If criminals like this know that if they commit such an henious act - that they will face the most severe sentence then maybe just maybe that fear will save one person from going through what this woman has gone through.

Again - using references to Shariah law or the Nazi's does this argument a disservice. Great way to try to derail the talk. The fact is that by acting in the manner this man acted he has chosen to give up all rights to be treated with respect - we have to protect innocents from him - not protect him from the one's baying for blood. I am not looking for a move to a religious state or one set up on crazy ideologies about the master race - but at some point we have to use logic and ask ourselves - what benefit is being gained by allowing someone like that to re-offend...

Auvers

I agree with the mob mentality in this thread, if a person does something like what this guy did to another person, he gives up his human rights, end of story

I would back the age old justice of an "eye for an eye" and let the victim choose his punishment in cases like these

All about Eve

Do any of the 'we must abide by our laws group', agree that Larry Murphy should have been released back into society. do you all believe that monster would not be better off dead

Liam Byrne

Jakubowski exhibited bizarre behaviour throughout the 12-day trial.

Sick **** is aiming for a "guilty but insane" verdict.

Dilynnio

The Irish as a society is to blame.

The Irish are such cowards that they will not stand side by side on anything and prevent it.

A certain element has creeped into our estates and towns and no one is doing jack **** about it.

Our towns will soon be ghettos if the people of them do not start to unite against this element.

Crime stats etc all point to that element.

Serious vetting needs to be done on this element.

LittleBook

I was on the jury panel the day this was called. I remember they read out the charges one after the other after the other. I was thinking ... "This is one incident? This all happened at one time to one person??"

That poor, poor woman.

I'm just so relieved that he got a long(ish) sentence.

Da Shins Kelly

All about Eve wrote: »

How did Giuliani clean up New york? Did he not crack down on scumbags and criminals and it worked?

Look at Spain. The power given to the Spanish police is consistantly abused.

Also, American justice is nothing to write home about. Their prisons are hell on earth, but it doesn't stop them from being ridiculously overcrowded.

Dudess

Larry Murphy's sentence was too short, so no, he shouldn't have been released back into society. And if Irish society is responsible by being so complacent, get to it and be proactive yourself as an Irish person?

All about Eve

LittleBook wrote: »

I was on the jury panel the day this was called. I remember they read out the charges one after the other after the other. I was thinking ... "This is one incident? This all happened at one time to one person??"

That poor, poor woman.

I'm just so relieved that he got a long(ish) sentence.

It must have been awful for you too having to hear such depraved disgusting things as the likes of what he did.
No one should even ever have to imagine such things happen.
He should never be let out, no sentence except life is harsh enough.
I dont see why if a man rapes a woman that there is not a law to chemically castrate him. and something similar for women too

IvyTheTerrible

Dudess wrote: »

Larry Murphy's sentence was too short, so no. And if Irish society is responsible by being so complacent, get to it and be proactive yourself as an Irish person?

Who are you replying to? Sorry I can't follow your point without knowing.

All about Eve

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Look at Spain. The power given to the Spanish police is consistantly abused.

Also, American justice is nothing to write home about. Their prisons are hell on earth, but it doesn't stop them from being ridiculously overcrowded.

Prison should be hell on earth for scumbags .

All about Eve

Dudess wrote: »

Larry Murphy's sentence was too short, so no, he shouldn't have been released back into society. And if Irish society is responsible by being so complacent, get to it and be proactive yourself as an Irish person?

Dudeass I am active in campaigning for harsher sentences. I am involved with local politics in my area, and do my bit as best I can. What are you doing?

Dilynnio

The Irish people need to be protected here as a whole.

A serious incident occured where I live a week and half ago involving this element and we are still waiting on the police to come and investigate it while this element continue to get away with it! We have lodged numerous complaints and documented evidence of anti social behavior as well as intimidation and yet we are still frightened in our homes with no follow up from the police.

We could be dead in our homes for all they care!

Its a ****ing joke this country.

It is time for vigilantes to reappear and get some order back on the streets as we are being ignored and our rights violated.

Dudess

Not whingeing about "we" as a society and calling for state violence on a message-board...

LittleBook

All about Eve wrote: »

It must have been awful for you too having to hear such depraved disgusting things as the likes of what he did.

Not as bad as the poor jurists, lawyers and court staff who had to sit through the trial and hear the details

I just think this woman was amazing to get through the ordeal of the rape AND the ordeal of the investigation and trial and keep her sanity.

I read her victim impact statement, can't find it online but I'm sure she praised the Gardai for their support through the whole ordeal.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Tabnabs wrote: »

He should be put into the same wing as the biggest scumbags and thugs we have locked up and give them a chance to vent their issues.

He will be, they're called rapists & child molesters.

ImpossibleDuck

Ok on the subject of execution here, what happens when an innocent person slips through the system? He/She is murdered in cold blood by our law enforcement system...How does that really make you feel about execution?

Come on people, cop yourselves on! Execution is never the answer!

ro_chez

Why cant scrotes like this chap be used for vivisection instead? Much better than torture, and we might actually gain something from them instead of the usual.

seanbmc

This lad deserves more than boiling water being thrown over him.

Taltos

ImpossibleDuck wrote: »

Ok on the subject of execution here, what happens when an innocent person slips through the system? He/She is murdered in cold blood by our law enforcement system...How does that really make you feel about execution?

Come on people, cop yourselfs on! Execution is never the answer!

That is your opinion.
Mine is different. I believe that we would need to increase the rigor.
In terms of what to do after the fact - well the person is dead...
There would need to be a separate investigation and someone help accountable - but lets see - kill one innocent or kill 20 guilty and save a further 100 assuming that each of the guilty would attack / rape / kill five more people - (out of my head here).

Yes - execution is an answer.
However - that is why I would balance it with the organ harvesting - a lot of sick people could be saved through the better use of these organs. We all hear about the shortage of donors - and we are all sick about the high cost of imprisonment - so here is a mutually acceptable and doable solution.

You can of course choose to disagree.

Max Power1

seanbmc wrote: »

This lad deserves more than boiling water being thrown over him.

+1

Imagine it was your girlfriend/wife/sister/daughter etc.

There should be a more painful, drawn out version of the death penalty, one that takes hours of pain.

Son Of A Vidic

Biggins wrote: »

China style.
No messing around - just BANG!

Now you have it, especially when it comes to scum like him. His guilt nor twisted mind are not in any doubt.

But I am reconsidering a bullet in his head, perhaps castration and choking him with his own balls might be more suitable.

Taltos

Max Power1 wrote: »

+1

Imagine it was your girlfriend/wife/sister/daughter etc.

There should be a more painful, drawn out version of the death penalty, one that takes hours of pain.

I disagree with that - it is not about revenge - it is about protecting others.
Death should be painless and quick - it is after all irreversible if done correctly. Also the stress from a drawnout death may impact the viability of some of the organs to be harvested.

vicwatson

What a sick mothertrucker, ten minutes with him, please, just ten minutes :mad::mad:

Execution is too good, there should be a continuous supply of torture, a life of torture, just like he gave that poor woman.

These assholes might think twice about raping then.

Mena

Hang on, let me get this straight... We're talking about offing someone then harvesting their organs?

I'm all for old testament type retribution in cases like this, but this is going too far...

Taltos

Mena wrote: »

Hang on, let me get this straight... We're talking about offing someone then harvesting their organs?

I'm all for old testament type retribution in cases like this, but this is going too far...

No - just suggesting that while his life may have been a waste that some good could come from his death.
Been suggesting this for a while now. It is not about hurting the perp or disrespecting him - it is about looking logically at some things we need to address

1. increased cost of internment
2. high incidences of these guys reoffending and hence more cost and victims
3. low availability of organ donors

In these guys - we have a ready source.
Hence - kill painlessly and remove and use their organs to save a life and allow them at least in death to contribute to our society.

TwoShedsJackson

Mena wrote: »

Hang on, let me get this straight... We're talking about offing someone then harvesting their organs?

I'm all for old testament type retribution in cases like this, but this is going too far...

Most of this lot would be the first ones to complain about Sharia law if someone suggested implementing that here.

Da Shins Kelly

Taltos wrote: »

Sorry for your personal losses.
However - our society is not coping at all well with people like this.
What are the choices that are there?
1. Perpetual internment and medication in a facility - where really at any stage they could be deemed sane and with a minimum of fuss released.
2. Sentenced within the law and spend a number of years in our prisons, not all are like mountjoy - some seemingly have flatscreen TVs and mobiles not to mention access to drugs. I mean lets face it - is our system really set up to rehabilitate? I think not. Either way - in a short space of time he will be released - possibly more vicious after being brutalized and dehumanised in prison.

There are plenty of other options we could look at without going to extreme.
1. Constant monitoring on release - although this is an invasion of privacy - but who are we protecting here?
2. Chemical castration - remove the chemical drive and hopefully this will have an effect. Again though supervision needed.
3. Physical castration - given the choice - to live your life where you are at the whim of your hormones if you are to believe their argument that they had no control - maybe some would indeed choose this route.
4. Chip / Tattoo their foreheads - eg RAPIST - clear signal to all to stay away.

It is just we seem to have really gotten wound up over the last while about protecting rights of the accused/guilty - to the point that we have lost sight of the victim and we seem more concerned with perpetuating the rights of these people actually above the rights of th 99% of us who do our best to live within the law?
Is that right? Should we continue to have to pay such large taxes and live in fear because this minority know that they really have nothing to fear themselves? I mean prison here with the sentences involved is not a deterrent.

If criminals like this know that if they commit such an henious act - that they will face the most severe sentence then maybe just maybe that fear will save one person from going through what this woman has gone through.

Again - using references to Shariah law or the Nazi's does this argument a disservice. Great way to try to derail the talk. The fact is that by acting in the manner this man acted he has chosen to give up all rights to be treated with respect - we have to protect innocents from him - not protect him from the one's baying for blood. I am not looking for a move to a religious state or one set up on crazy ideologies about the master race - but at some point we have to use logic and ask ourselves - what benefit is being gained by allowing someone like that to re-offend...

I don't believe that our prison system is perfect, or that we shouldn't do anything to change the way things are. However, I do not agree with the principal behind the death penalty, or the very dangerous situation of deciding who deserves it. Who decides who gets the death penalty, and why should they be given that right to decide who lives and dies? If the death penalty is wrongly applied once, doesn't that immediately just invalidate the entire practice? Wrongly executing someone is, in my opinion, completely unforgivable and it's the main reason I will never agree with the death penalty.

Justice should not be based on pure revenge. Allowing the mob to make decisions allows for complete irrationality. If the mob had their way, almost anyone who ever did anything wrong would be lynched immediately, regardless of details. The fact is, most people are idiots who don't know how to think about anything without letting their personal feelings get involved.

And it's not about trying to 'protect' offenders as supporters of the death penalty so often like to point out. It's about trying to reduce crime. You're not going to scare people into not committing a crime. The death penalty is still in place in some American states, and it doesn't seem to be working there, their crime rate is still through the roof, not to mention the gangs of people sitting on death row for a lifetime. The death penalty cannot be realistically considered a deterrent when most crimes are committed on the spur of the moment, with little or no thought given to the subsequent punishment. People simply don't think about punishment most of the time when committing a crime. If it's a crime of passion, a crime committed under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or if the criminal is mentally ill, they are not going to think for even a second about the consequences of what they're doing.

Furthermore, the message that capital punishment sends out to others in society is questionable - basically, in certain situations, murder is acceptable. What situations though? Who decides that? And why are some crimes deemed more worthy of the worst possible punishment than others? There are victims in every crime, and who's to say that some suffer more than others?

There are too many questions surrounding the death penalty for me. Questions of life and death are very serious and I don't think that most people are capable of making such decisions about other people. If someone is mentally ill, then I don't think that's a good reason to execute them, but it seems like most people would have them executed anyway. If someone is a criminal, but not mentally ill, then I think they are eligible for rehabilitation. Also, given the amount of time people spend on death row, the cost of giving someone the death penalty ends up being even more.

Something needs to be done to address crime (although, I don't think Irish crime rates are too bad comparatively. Our society is a relatively safe one compared to others, most heinous crimes are very rare occurences), because the current system isn't working, however I don't think the American model is anything to shout about either.

Anyway, this person hasn't even been found guilty yet.

Da Shins Kelly

All about Eve wrote: »

Prison should be hell on earth for scumbags .

Yes, and it doesn't stop them from being overcrowded, I said. What's your point?

JustAddWater

RichieC wrote: »

One bullet; Bang bang.

How can one bullet make 2 bangs? ...

Unless, the second bang is from a backup bullet just to be sure the ****er is dead?

JustAddWater

Taltos wrote: »

Also the stress from a drawnout death may impact the viability of some of the organs to be harvested.

I for one wouldn't want the heart of a rapist?!
Thanks but no thanks, i'll wait for the next one....

Mint Sauce

Why are we even continuing to waste our taxes on this guy. Any none national/citizen, where ever they are from, should be shipped out of the country on the next flight if convicted of a serious crime, with a note on their passport 'not welcome back'.

The Irish prisons are too good for this guy, most likely will be watched the whole time incase another one of the inmates get to him, although that might not be a bad thing either.

:mad:

TwoShedsJackson

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I don't believe that our prison system is perfect...
Anyway, this person hasn't even been found guilty yet.

I wish I could thank this post twice. He has been found guilty though, he's gotten a 15 year sentence.

previous user

Disgusting

berettaman

I knew a girl that was raped once. It wrecked her life just as completely as if she had been made paralysed in a car accident; she was kind of emotionally paralysed, she just was gone you know?
It is hard to see how a prison sentence would benefit an individual such as this..12 years in an Irish prison does not mean 12 years in reality. It would be to easy to think that he could be shipped home to serve the sentence in his own country .It is hard to think what form of justice is needed..:mad: The thoughts that are going through my head right now. If it was my partner/sister/mother...he would not be a burden on the state for long. Stunned by that article really..

I_am_LOST

Unfortunately, background checks are only done if the immigrant is to be working with children/vulnerable adults. As this man was working in construction, no background check was done.

There's some basic things that I hate about this country Things like allowing a convicted criminal into the country so that he can rape, allowing Pamela Izevbekhai to stay in this country after proving to have lied about her case, convicting criminals and giving them pathetic prison sentences which are then reduced to only a couple of years.

Sometimes I really wonder what priorities the government (and any government, not just complaining against FF or FG) have

df1985

what a wanker.

what is it with people in/from cork **** in public?

Max Power1

Taltos wrote: »

I disagree with that - it is not about revenge - it is about protecting others.
Death should be painless and quick - it is after all irreversible if done correctly. Also the stress from a drawnout death may impact the viability of some of the organs to be harvested.

Was the crime he perpetrated painless and quick?

Castration is too good for these sick fcukers.

There should be some restriction on who can enter our country.

Liam Byrne

Taltos wrote: »

Also the stress from a drawnout death may impact the viability of some of the organs to be harvested.

Jesus H! If I ever needed a transplant and they used a part from a sick **** like this I'd probably rip it out with my bare hands!

Liam Byrne

JustAddWater wrote: »

How can one bullet make 2 bangs? ...

Unless, the second bang is from a backup bullet just to be sure the ****er is dead?

Shoot him on a metal roof....second "fall-down" bang emphasises / confirms that we're rid of one blight on society.

Nodin

...despite a sane start I see this has headed off down the usual route.

oppenheimer1

Will wrote: »

Why the hell didn't the original Polish translator alert people to his antics when they saw him jerking off?!!?

The translator acted in the perfectly correct manner considering how uncomfortable this situation must have been. Had this been brought to light during proceedings and the jury got wind of it, a mistrial could be the result. There would be a danger that his behaviour would prejudice the jury.

Well done Mr. Translator, alerting the correct authorities took this guy off the streets sooner and with less cost

deisedave

JustAddWater wrote: »

I for one wouldn't want the heart of a rapist?!
Thanks but no thanks, i'll wait for the next one....

If your dying a heart is a heart ffs, don't be ridiculous

Liam Byrne

deisedave wrote: »

If your dying a heart is a heart ffs, don't be ridiculous

A prick who rapes someone has no heart.

Would prefer to die than have a contaminated body part inside me.

Callan57

CardBordWindow wrote: »

It's cases like that that make you wonder why torture is not allowed anymore. He should have his fingers nails pulled out weekly, and flogged daily for his 15 year sentence!

Do fingernails grow that quickly?

This was clear intimidation of a witness in the actual courtroom & in front of the judge I'd like to know why the judge wasn't made aware of it?
I would also like to know why it was relevant that being a non-national he would be in a minority in an Irish prison .. why should that be taken into account when clearly it didn't matter to him when he was committing the crime?
And thirdly I'd like to know if, as he was a convicted rapist, the Polish authorities made the Irish authorities aware that he was in Ireland?

When you read things like this you begin to have some grudging admiration for Saudi Arabia ..... at least they know how to deal with recidivism.

deisedave

Liam Byrne wrote: »

A prick who rapes someone has no heart.

Would prefer to die than have a contaminated body part inside me.

A heart is just a pump if it was his brain I would say something