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State spending €3million on communion rituals
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Yeah, repeatedly demanding hundreds of euro to cover a religious service which costs nothing to partake in and a new outfit that can be purchased for less than €50 in a time when funding for vital services is being slashed...why would that look greedy?! :rolleyes:Lucy8080 wrote:ickle,
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but....ive asked dades to make up the numbers here as dades has a family.
Still no break-down I see, that's telling...0 -
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it seems u read something quite rude into that!
cant understand why u complained to the mods...
I'm even more confused now. I didn't complain or report anything to mods tonight. I prefer sarcasm to reporting posts.
And I don't see anything rude about you seeing me next Tuesday. I just didn't know what was wrong with Monday or Wednesday. I don't get what's so special about Tuesday. It's late. I think that's what has me all confused.0 -
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I'm drunk off my face & I can spot all that I've written below:Ickle Magoo wrote: »that's telling...Seriously, learn to type like an adult. You will get more respect in the long run.
It's really not that hard to put a few capital letters into your posts.
How can people just accept posts like this? I mean the rankest hypocrisy
can be exemplified by just examining Galvasean's own posts in this
thread. I mean more than one poster brags about their love for rational
thinking yet they totally ignore such craziness - why don't at least one of
those who brag about their love of rationality on this forum even just
examine this latest post in comparison with your earlier ones & apply
that critical thought process they'd apparently die for. You may dislike
&/or disagree with everything I'm saying as regards the argument but
you can't deny the hypocrisy of this latest comment or the others that
deserve equally confrontational responses.Your post makes no sense, beyond the childish writing style.
The childish writing style is the only thing that makes sense?
What a superfluous comment, I don't consider the post's in any way
childish & quite frankly I consider it extremely childish & petty to make
comments like this that betray all the cynical ignorance of bigots who
just don't like to accept anybody who looks different, who has long hair,
who like to read, who likes science etc... But of course who am I to
speak considering I'm just one of those others who posts different as
well so I'm obviously biased.The fact that you continue to post in such a silly manner makes you seem either like you don't actual know how to engage in a discussion, are 13 or are a troll. (Or all three.)
Such a scientific conclusion that just follows, as if by logic, from such
iron-clad premises. I see the truth table of possibilities you've drawn up
for us is just impeccably laid out & absolutely no other possibilities could
arise. People just accept these kinds of comments without question?But none of this addresses the question, if the catholic church cares about thier members and that people somehow desperately need this money to buy material things for a religious ceremony, why doesn't the church offer to help them out?
As fantastic a question as this is, it's entirely irrelevant to the thread &
I'm surprised such a trivial question could be offered as some form of
counterexample to the topic. Why should those greedy fcukers pay
for this? They don't care, in fact priests encourage emphasis on not
spending money on the day as it distracts from the event (as a quick
google can convince you of). It's the recognition of the non-religious
aspects of this event coupled with the historical societal importance
that fuels the government in providing for this, hence the rank ignorance
in the argument that religion has anything more than a coincidental
relationship to this issue.There are contradictory interpretations because it's a fecking poem, not a treatise on public spending.
As much as I want to respond entirely to your post I think this bit of
your response sums the rest up entirely in that you ignore what I say
& respond to something you've said in a manner to justify your previous
claim. Note that I called your charlatanism out & you respond with more
of it, I can't argue with nonsense like this, it's a total waste of time.Ickle Magoo wrote: »I disagree - I view it as robbing from those who genuinely have exceptional needs. If it isn't a case of completely over-indulging one particular sect of a multi-cultural society based on bygone celtic tiger-esque priorities - oh purlease tell me what it is?
Also, if you can give me a break down on why €300+ euro is required for a communion service then I'm willing to listen...as far as I'm aware, that's the only part that could possibly be argued as being necessitated by the equally antiquated school system.
Hysterical appeals to emotion and historical generosity are just that, btw.
I'm not appealing to your emotions, whether you think I'm hystericalCuts to communion allowance mean spirited– Seán Crowe TD
Dublin South West Sinn Féin TD Seán Crowe has described as “mean spirited” the government plans to cut discretionary payments for special occasions, like a child’s first communion, for low income families.
The Tallaght-based Deputy was speaking after the announcement that the regular discretionary payment of up to €305 was to be cut to €105.
Deputy Seán Crowe said:
“For Christians the communion and confirmation, for Judaism the bar mitzvah or the Muslim khatme quran are significant days in the life of a child.
“They are particularly important events for many low income families and this cut will impact severely on all of them.
“Suggestions that some families should consider clothing their children in hand-me-downs or cheap outfits shows a lack of understanding of just how big a milestone this is for families.
“The government ministers and the media pundits that are supporting these cuts are very unlikely to do the same for their own children.
“This outspoken support for cutting this discretionary allowance is in stark contrast to their silence when it comes to paying billions to faceless gamblers and speculators in the bond markets.
“The Fine Gael /Labour Government’s latest attack on low income families is mean spirited and cruel.
“Here is yet another example of the poor and the least well off being unfairly hit by another cruel austerity measure.”
http://seancrowe.ie/latest-news/1-news/190-cuts-to-communion-allowance-mean-spirited-sean-crowe-td
or not, as I know that would never work. I'm just telling you that you
are entirely ignorant, willingfully ignorant, of how much a part of our
culture this event is - whether you like it or not, whether you want to
deny reality or not (because that's what you are doing, sugar coat it
all you like). You can tell us it's not an exceptional need because your
biases tell you that it's not an exceptional need but if we enter the
world of reality, one in which mothers are whoring themselves out to
deal with this event, one which people really care about, we see that
plenty of people understand that this is an exceptional need - in the
same way a poor Jewish person could apply for their exceptional need
to fund a bar mitzvah (which I'd presume they'd get, as I doubt the
government would be that hypocritical, though if there's evidence of
this please show it).
Also, don't think I don't notice the dishonesty in yours (and everybody
else's) argument in focusing on this payment as if it's entirely for the
dress. Just mimicking the standards all you guys (in the gender neutral
use of that term as I know how petty things like this tend to get emphasized by those
with an axe to grind) accept without question when it furthers your agenda's
I should be calling you all children for making such a childish argument.
That subtle point, one consistently emphasized by those for whom
5 seconds of research is too much when raw anger takes control,
seems to be lost on all those who bang on about their rationality...
Though to be fair to you you've only focused on the dress when it
was convenient for you to do so & the latest post at least mentions
the entire communion so we're learning something as we go along,
though I still think it's dishonestly ignoring reality:Ickle Magoo wrote: »Still no break-down I see, that's telling...
When we focus on communion dresses as if that's the entire issue &
then shift our argument & chastise others for not being insanely pedantic,
I think that's telling. Surely there's a word to describe that...
Do we really need to break it down? Do you really think I couldn't do
that? Deeper question - can you really, truly & honestly not envision
how someone could easily blow 300 euro on an event like this?
This day that (only if we're willing not to deny reality, of course - which you evidentially
just flat out refuse to do) represents "a milestone" "for families". Note I'm
not asking for your personal opinion on the morality of poor people
blowing 300 on a day like this, I've just asked a question about the
mechanics of the situation (as I know anything deeper than that is
simply incomprehensible). I find it very sad that I'd have to paint a
picture of a realistic day to convince you of why people need this
kind of money for that "milestone" day "for families". Surely you'll
fess up & admit you don't need such a pedantic breakdown, note
that it will be done if requested with the assumption of your cheap
as fcuk 2nd hand dress.
Furthermore don't think I don't notice the extremely cynical dishonesty
in this argument (which is, of course, a cover) that we should be
devoting this money instead to hospitals etc... I mean your own logic
defunds the sciences & anything we care to mention - an argument
I've already mentioned & one that was totally ignored. Logically this
argument is impeccable, do you think we should be spending money
on the arts when spending money on the arts means we are basically
murdering people by not providing that money to them in the form of
a hospital bed? I mean a civics class should have caused this question
to never have been posed in the first place, people just forget what it
means to live in a society all of a sudden... As I already mentioned, there
are plenty of things I don't feel good about funding yet that's just part
of living in society. Note also that civics class can never answer this
question in a positive way because as a society that's what we do when
we devote money to physics or the arts etc... and don't devote it to
hospital beds etc... - I just consider it either ignorance to argue from
some moral high ground all of a sudden to take money from poor
people because of reason X while giving money to rich people ignoring
that reason X we cared so much about when poor people were involved
or just plain dishonesty.
Though of course nothing I say matters because of the shape/size of my
posts. How do people miss all (any???) of this? I'll try to be even
more systematic, more direct & more all-encompassing if I have the
time as this issue is just so insane that it needs to be done so I apologize
if I haven't gotten to addressing every miniscule issue at this precise
moment but please try to view this from my perspective in that I have
to chase down easy quotes nobody else cares to mention & it's a lot
for a person pissed off their skull (well, soberer now) to do.0 -
I love long posts, and especially long posts with multiple quote. I fly through the thread without even reading them.
It says so much about the character of the poster that one you've read them in their very FIRST post, you can put them on ignore and you'll miss nothing.
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I did not know that, so I've learnt something today.MagicMarker wrote: »I know that! Which only adds to the confusion.
I was out walking this morning and I could not find my magic mushrooms, 0 -
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