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Holland set to boot out Polish immigrants who can't find work after 3 months.
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LighterGuy wrote: »Haha, ah openroad, totally ignoring my "welfare tourists" link. Some how I think you were hoping I wouldnt be able to provide an article so you could blast it to shreads.
But as for 3 months? IF you were reading my original post (big if) you would see I said 3 months is too extreme. You'd be hurting more genuine people than fraudsters. It is my opinion that this whole "non speaking dutch" is just trying to weed out the SW fraud. But a year sounds fair. You have to accept the possibilty that if someone is living in a country for a year, hasnt worked, STILL cant speak any of the local lingo ... that theres a good chance they are frauding.
Lets be honest, this law/rule will never come into exsistence. But it shows that the Dutch dont like whats going down with eastern europeans.
No I will answer you
the article lists a figure and states that the appropriate department will look into it so yes if it is found that indeed they are tourist welfare collectors, then of course appropriate action should be taken, don't think you would find anyone saying otherwise.
Regards the how long out of work, whether it be three months or one year the same rules will have to apply everywhere in the EU to everyone irrespective of nationality or close links to a country i.e. the Irish in the UK.
As you say though, the rule is unlikely to come into place at this time 0 -
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Regards the how long out of work, whether it be three months or one year the same rules will have to apply everywhere in the EU to everyone irrespective of nationality or close links to a country i.e. the Irish in the UK
well ... as you said before, how could the same rule apply?
after all, this is about non-nationals not speaking the native language. Dutch in this case. Ireland and the UK ... we speak english
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LighterGuy wrote: »well ... as you said before, how could the same rule apply?
after all, this is about non-nationals not speaking the native language. Dutch in this case. Ireland and the UK ... we speak english
Fair enough, it is a slight deviation from the OP, so to clarify as long as the person can speak the native language, no problem with them claiming welfare even after a year out of work? 0 -
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Pompey Magnus wrote: »We could also set up an seperate "utopian" state with fully open borders which allows anyone who wishes to enter and stay as long if they like (actually bothering to find work or integrate with the native population being completely optional for any would be immigrant), perhaps even set up regular direct flights to and from Lagos.
It would be interesting to compare how the two economies and societies are coping after a few years...
Well we have open borders within the EU, so you have that already 0 -
Fair enough , it is a slight deviation from the OP, so to clarify as long as the person can speak the native language, no problem with them claiming welfare even after a year out of work?
well, a few things,
1, had you pegged 20 mins ago You're not debating. To ask question after question until i stumble so you appear "correct" ... sadly for you I got the answers
2, you're twisting and not very good at it.
3, to "debate" what you just said
its funny, before recession we had this thing where if anyone was on the SW for a long period of time they'd get thrown off. And they were nationals.
So in essence you are pretty much saying its ok for someone to stay for as long as they want on the SW?0 -
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LighterGuy wrote: »well, a few things,
1, had you pegged 20 mins ago You're not debating. To ask question after question until i stumble so you appear "correct" ... sadly for you I got the answers
2, you're twisting and not very good at it.
3, to "debate" what you just said
its funny, before recession we had this thing where if anyone was on the SW for a long period of time they'd get thrown off. And they were nationals.
So in essence you are pretty much saying its ok for someone to stay for as long as they want on the SW?
I'm not I fully agree with you regards SW tourists, to be honest it should be a requirement that a person working in any country, should have enough of the language to be able to get by in that country. SW should not even come into it.
Re : Point 3, fair enough, I'm actually not saying that but what I am saying and I thought it was pretty clear, you have the same rules everywhere, so as you say, a non national should not be on welfare for more than a year( your length of time) but that rule would have to apply through out the EU including the UK 0 -
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....but what I am saying and I thought it was pretty clear, you have the same rules everywhere, so as you say, a non national should not be on welfare for more than a year( your length of time) but that rule would have to apply through out the EU including the UK
Thats the thing the Dutch are trying to be crafty on this one ... by saying "non dutch speaking" they're not saying "polish" ... but lets be honest if you, me or average english, spanish or french guy went over to Holland we couldnt speak a lick of Dutch. But you'd probably find out english speaking people would not be viewed the same. Probably some spiel about how "english jobs" are plentiful in Holland. So english "speakers" are welcome. 0 -
LighterGuy wrote: »google is your friend:
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/ash-cloud-crisis-exposes-welfare-tourists-2245558.html
in that aritcle is says it dropped by 3,500. But I also read another article saying how the figure is much higher than first reported. Also, there was another article which, well was common sense, saying how people were signing on for other people.
From the article you linked."With this figure of 3,515 there is a certain number of people every signing day that do not show up because they forget to attend," said a department spokesperson.
"They may be unwell, they may have taken up employment or a holiday, so that 3,515 would include those people as well.
"A certain number of those 3,515 would also have come back on later in the week and their payment continued as normal."
But the spokeswoman said the week of the ash-cloud crisis did show an increased number of absentees.
"It's increased on other weeks but it's not huge," she said.
So its not even 3,500. We can discuss the "other article" when it turns up.LighterGuy wrote: »Thats the thing the Dutch are trying to be crafty on this one
... by saying "non dutch speaking" they're not saying "polish"
Yay for the crafty xenophobic right wing party.0 -
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