Waterford TD`s vote for Water Charges

rasper

Cabaal wrote: »

Like anybody they won't do it unless they have to, because there was no legislation they didn't consider this

The lack of legislation can of course be blamed on FF but it can alsobe blamed on the numerous other partys and governments before FF, people are quick to blame one party (people's memories are short so they tend to blame the last party/government).

Something on this scale needs long term planning and implementation, which was a failure of many many people and partys, sad really

If the water infrastructure was in such a mess, which we've never heard about really until they need cash then it was the local councils obligation to do something, if they didnt they were/are incompetant so therefore their should be no extra taxation without reform, I dont blame one party as I can see the whole system is rotten to the core

chelloveks

rasper wrote: »

If the water infrastructure was in such a mess, which we've never heard about really until they need cash then it was the local councils obligation to do something, if they didnt they were/are incompetant so therefore their should be no extra taxation without reform, I dont blame one party as I can see the whole system is rotten to the core

Yea welcome to democracy ruled by kickbacks and cash under the table!

MoodRacer

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

of course sinn fein and others will jump and down and complain about service charges etc, but I have only one question for them---

In Northern Ireland, (where sinn fein are in Govt and run numerous councils) how much do households pay in Council Taxes every year??????

Here`s your answer councillor - ZERO. Since 2007 the Executive has stumped up £200 million a year to replace the revenue funding for NIW (Northern Ireland Water) that would have been collected through the charges.

Try sticking to the facts for a change pal:D

Sully wrote: »

Regardless of what tax is brought in, people will complain.

Of course people will complain Sully. They will complain because this unjust tax would not be necessary if FG didn`t continue FF`s failed banking policy despite all the pre election rhetoric such as negotiating the interest rate on the loans or not putting "another cent" into the banks until bondholders were made take some of the losses. All bullsh1t. FG are so long in opposition they have no negotiation skills. How many opportunities have FG had to negotiate the interest rate but coundnt even get it onto the agenda of ther ecofin meetings?

The bottom line is FG/LAB are putting the bond holders before the needs of the Irish people. Similar carry on this week with the Roscommon Hospital saga, more broken promises. We won`t even go into the pre election lies about the upgrade of WIT.

Sully wrote: »

Look at the state of our water supply. Ill gladly pay for its improvement, just like our european counterparts.

You will gladly pay because you are clearly in a position to pay. What about the people that simply cannot pay?

AdMMM wrote: »

Your beloved party didn't get any publicity over this because it was Private Members Business. Nice to see that you come on here over a month later to try and drum up some.

Well I thought it was important to let local people know what way their elected reps are behaving. It`s clearly a little uncomfortable for you but I reckon you should get used it. There is a firestorm coming down the line pal, straight in the direction FG/LAB. You won`t know what hit ye pal;)

200motels

MoodRacer wrote: »

Here`s your answer councillor - ZERO. Since 2007 the Executive has stumped up £200 million a year to replace the revenue funding for NIW (Northern Ireland Water) that would have been collected through the charges.

Try sticking to the facts for a change pal:D



Of course people will complain Sully. They will complain because this unjust tax would not be necessary if FG didn`t continue FF`s failed banking policy despite all the pre election rhetoric such as negotiating the interest rate on the loans or not putting "another cent" into the banks until bondholders were made take some of the losses. All bullsh1t. FG are so long in opposition they have no negotiation skills. How many opportunities have FG had to negotiate the interest rate but coundnt even get it onto the agenda of ther ecofin meetings?

The bottom line is FG/LAB are putting the bond holders before the needs of the Irish people. Similar carry on this week with the Roscommon Hospital saga, more broken promises. We won`t even go into the pre election lies about the upgrade of WIT.



You will gladly pay because you are clearly in a position to pay. What about the people that simply cannot pay?



Well I thought it was important to let local people know what way their elected reps are behaving. It`s clearly a little uncomfortable for you but I reckon you should get used it. There is a firestorm coming down the line pal, straight in the direction FG/LAB. You won`t know what hit ye pal;)

As a member of the labour party all I can say is we're not doing didly squat while in government and I'm not happy about it.

MoodRacer

200motels wrote: »

As a member of the labour party all I can say is we're not doing didly squat while in government and I'm not happy about it.

Thanks for the honesty. Many of the other commentators on here seem to still be in denial.

Wonder what crap the Govt will come out with tomorrow in relation to todays down grading of Irish bonds to junk status due to the expectation that Ireland will require an additional bailout (like Leo Varadakir was talking about two weeks ago before he was clipped round the ear by the FG hierarchy!)?

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/moodys-downgrades-ireland-baa3-junk

In July 2010 after another down grade by Moody`s, FG`s then deputy finance spokesman Kieran O`Donnell said it `was a vote of no confidence in the Government's economic and banking strategy`.

I am suggesting that because FG/LAB have adopted essentially the same economic and banking strategy as FF, and that our bonds have been downgraded to junk status, by any reasonable measure this is a surely a vote of no confidence in the current FG/LAB/FF economic and banking strategy??

Sully

Lets stick with the water charges folks, we have gone a bit of track

Otherwise, head over to the Politics forum to get into the nitty gritty!

Suirview

MoodRacer wrote: »

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

of course sinn fein and others will jump and down and complain about service charges etc, but I have only one question for them---

In Northern Ireland, (where sinn fein are in Govt and run numerous councils) how much do households pay in Council Taxes every year??????

Here`s your answer councillor - ZERO. Since 2007 the Executive has stumped up £200 million a year to replace the revenue funding for NIW (Northern Ireland Water) that would have been collected through the charges.

Try sticking to the facts for a change pal:D

Sully wrote: »

Regardless of what tax is brought in, people will complain.

Of course people will complain Sully. They will complain because this unjust tax would not be necessary if FG didn`t continue FF`s failed banking policy despite all the pre election rhetoric such as negotiating the interest rate on the loans or not putting "another cent" into the banks until bondholders were made take some of the losses. All bullsh1t. FG are so long in opposition they have no negotiation skills. How many opportunities have FG had to negotiate the interest rate but coundnt even get it onto the agenda of ther ecofin meetings?

The bottom line is FG/LAB are putting the bond holders before the needs of the Irish people. Similar carry on this week with the Roscommon Hospital saga, more broken promises. We won`t even go into the pre election lies about the upgrade of WIT.

Sully wrote: »

Look at the state of our water supply. Ill gladly pay for its improvement, just like our european counterparts.

You will gladly pay because you are clearly in a position to pay. What about the people that simply cannot pay?

AdMMM wrote: »

Your beloved party didn't get any publicity over this because it was Private Members Business. Nice to see that you come on here over a month later to try and drum up some.

Well I thought it was important to let local people know what way their elected reps are behaving. It`s clearly a little uncomfortable for you but I reckon you should get used it. There is a firestorm coming down the line pal, straight in the direction FG/LAB. You won`t know what hit ye pal;)

Not sure you are telling the full story here pal

In NI where your party SF are in power every houshold pay annual rates which pays for water, waste collection etc

And this in a country which is heavily subsidised by uk exchequer

So tell the full story while you are at it …

Unfortunately we've no "big brother" to subsidise us hence the need for a sustainable model of funding services

Simple as that in my view

Sinn Fein are against everything but never tell us where they would get the money to run the Country if they were ever in government -

SF = zero economic credibility

MoodRacer

Suirview wrote: »

Not sure you are telling the full story here pal

In NI where your party SF are in power every houshold pay annual rates which pays for water, waste collection etc

And this in a country which is heavily subsidised by uk exchequer

So tell the full story while you are at it …

Unfortunately we've no "big brother" to subsidise us hence the need for a sustainable model of funding services

Simple as that in my view

Sinn Fein are against everything but never tell us where they would get the money to run the Country if they were ever in government -

SF = zero economic credibility

Check this pal:
http://www.consumercouncil.org.uk/key-issues/water-charges/

Conor Murphy (SF minister for regional development in NI) has repeatedly deferred the introduction of water charges.

Then take a look at this. Policies and figures:
http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf

SF = zero economic credibility - now that`s a new one......did you come up with that all by yourself??:p

Ironic don`t you think that the new FG/LAB Govt, who were incedently voted in on the promise of change, have continued with essentially the same failed economic policies of the previous govt? The same policies that they lambasted when in opposition.....What`s changed?

Now that`s zero economic credibility:P

Suirview

MoodRacer wrote: »

Suirview wrote: »

Not sure you are telling the full story here pal

In NI where your party SF are in power every houshold pay annual rates which pays for water, waste collection etc

And this in a country which is heavily subsidised by uk exchequer

So tell the full story while you are at it …

Unfortunately we've no "big brother" to subsidise us hence the need for a sustainable model of funding services

Simple as that in my view

Sinn Fein are against everything but never tell us where they would get the money to run the Country if they were ever in government -

SF = zero economic credibility

Check this pal:
http://www.consumercouncil.org.uk/key-issues/water-charges/

Conor Murphy (SF minister for regional development in NI) has repeatedly deferred the introduction of water charges.

Then take a look at this. Policies and figures:
http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf

SF = zero economic credibility - now that`s a new one......did you come up with that all by yourself??:p

Ironic don`t you think that the new FG/LAB Govt, who were incedently voted in on the promise of change, have continued with essentially the same failed economic policies of the previous govt? The same policies that they lambasted when in opposition.....What`s changed?

Now that`s zero economic credibility:P

You still dont get it do you Pal -

SF administer a system in NI that collects rates from every household and have no problemo with it

You said yourself that the UK exchequer offsets the water charge to the tune if £200 million -

Now where on Gods earth does that money come from?

Bingo - the taxpayer

Now in our bankrupt republic unfortunately we dont have £200 mill to plug the gap or some beneficiary like queenio in the north to give it to us - ain't she generous and Sf gladly accept the subsidy from the crown eh

So to get back to the point - you and your SF economic illiterates still haven't pointed out where you'd get the money to run our country and pay for our public services

Your so called manifesto to tax the rich would stump up €400million max that leaves a massive economic gap to be Bridged - care to tell us how that can be done?
Ye quickly dropped yer crazy SF proposals to raise corporation tax so ye now depend on lazy populist rhetoric about taxing the rich

I presume SF/IRA have given up walkin into banks to collect handy money - is that right pal?

Sf have zero economic credibility and have been consistently exposed on their incompetence - just ask Gerry

Ever ask yourself why - in an unprecedented recession, people seething with anger about budget cuts etc that your party isn't rising much in the polls ?

Bingo sgain - ye are simply not trusted by the Jrish people

Finally ye call yourselves socialist republicans??

Look what socialist Gov did to Greece - huge gov public deficits due to unsustainable public services - exactly what u and your party are now propagating

So Pal - save the lectures and the cutting and pasting from SF manifestos - it's actually frightening that you actually believe the tripe contained in them

Stan Nangle

giles lynchwood wrote: »

An econmist from dublin stated during the week on radio that"it will take up to 2 years for the state to recouprate the cost of installing water meter´s in the first place ,(purchase,labour,etc)"this mean´s no benifit to the state for 2 year´s ?.He suggested we look at the American system,where they sell investment bond´s in their water system generating instant revenue and thus improving the service. I think this Government in their misplaced zest to try and please EMF have not thought this through as will happen in all section´s of our bailout for year´s to come.

The cost of the meters can be spread out over the lifetime of the meters. That is a simple accounting exercise. How do we pay for electricity meters?

There is also the massive workload for (currently unemployed) construction workers doing the installations. The nett cost will actually be quite low.

Sully wrote: »

Don't blame the current government for the IMF, blame the last. At least the current crowd are doing a better job. Nobody else is offering any alternative so we haven't much else to compare to.

The last Government was planning to borrow €50 Billion over three years to cover overspending. The new Government has increased this to €65 Billion, and pushed it out an extra year.

That is not "a better job" by any reasonable measure.

Kracken

besides the joy of paying for rates I have to look forward to the cost of having to change the way water comes into my house. the mains comes down the back of the house, if they put the meter out the front then i have to dig up the hall, kitchen and bathroom floors to put the new pipes through.