Still Waters No Longer Running, Derp.

Corkfeen

Bannasidhe, I'm sure we can post you out a few copies if you want.

Bannasidhe

Corkfeen wrote: »

Bannasidhe, I'm sure we can post you out a few copies if you want.

Excellent.

My name is Reverend S. O'Connor. Dublin.

The Black Oil

Standard talking points in a JW article.

Links234

As a liberal atheist feminist transgender lesbian from t'internet, I'd probably make John Waters head explode if he was in the same room as me

I can figuratively see the steam coming out his ears right now

robindch

Links234 wrote: »

[...] I'd probably make John Waters head explode

I say go for it.

Bannasidhe

Links234 wrote: »

As a liberal atheist feminist transgender lesbian from t'internet, I'd probably make John Waters head explode if he was in the same room as me

I can figuratively see the steam coming out his ears right now

robindch wrote: »

I say go for it.

Just in case I'd be willing to back up Links - a Socialist Atheist Feminist Lesbian Mother Grandmother should finish him off.

lazygal

I think we'd all love to see J. Waters head figuratively explode.

PopePalpatine

lazygal wrote: »

I think we'd all love to see J. Waters head figuratively explode.

His columns might start making sense then. :pac:

Genghiz Cohen

Sarky wrote: »

I can see the book deal now. "How Not To Be A Talentless F*ck Like Me". He'd make millions and millions of words.

fixed

lazygal

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2013/0208/1224329791002.html

Today/s comment on the mysteriousness of reality.

PopePalpatine

Has anyone pointed out to him the level of infiltration by Catholic fundamentalists in the corridors of power in the dark days when the Laundries where still open?

Also, that "EdwardLeane" guy in the comments section seems to have no idea what "liberal democracy" actually means.

Fortyniner

Clearly Mr Waters is an intelligent man, and so are Edward Leane and a number of others who habitually attempt to deflect any blame from the RCC. To me it is challenging to understand how such good people can make objective assessments in other areas, but then discard any critical thinking where their religion is in question.

Is it simply a matter of childhood indoctrination and conditioning? At what point do they become resistant to reason?

I have a granddaughter, educated in secular France. Any attempt to explain 'miracles', immaculate conception, transubstantiation etc to her will lead to outright hilarity on her part.

Bannasidhe

Fortyniner wrote: »

I have a granddaughter, educated in secular France. Any attempt to explain 'miracles', immaculate conception, transubstantiation etc to her will lead to outright hilarity on her part.

I have a granddaughter being educated in Ireland who would react in exactly the same way - and does when she encounters such things in school. The difference between her (aged 6) and the likes of Quinn is that she does engage critical thinking.

robindch

Fortyniner wrote: »

Clearly Mr Waters is an intelligent man [...]

How exactly did you form that impression?

Sarky

He's not "good people", either.

GK1001

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You STILL have it??????? :eek::eek::eek::eek:


*turns heat up under tar and fetches feathers still attached to chickens*

Order a Code Red

recedite

JW is resurrecting a line of argument there which is an old favourite of "the followers" and we heard it all before in relation to orphanages and miscreant Christan Brother "teachers".
Basically it goes;
1. The State, once upon a time, sub-contracted certain public services out to The Church.
2. The Church abused the vulnerable people placed in its care.
3. But The State, as the main contractor, bears overall responsibility.
4. If The State is responsible, then The Church is not.

Ergo, The Church is innocent, kind of.

PopePalpatine

GK1001 wrote: »

Order a Code Red

I've probably thrown it out a year or two ago.

Also, Bannasidhe, what were you going to do with that chicken?

Bannasidhe

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I've probably thrown it out a year or two ago.

Also, Bannasidhe, what were you going to do with that chicken?

Ummmm....saute it.....

baalthor

recedite wrote: »

JW is resurrecting a line of argument there which is an old favourite of "the followers" and we heard it all before in relation to orphanages and miscreant Christan Brother "teachers".
Basically it goes;
1. The State, once upon a time, sub-contracted certain public services out to The Church because the Church said that it was wrong for the State to control these services
2. The Church abused the vulnerable people placed in its care.
3. But The State, as the main contractor, bears overall responsibility.
4. If The State is responsible, then The Church is not.

Ergo, The Church is innocent, kind of.

Sorry recedite, just a slight adjustment to your post :-)

goose2005

John's back

Money-fixated media twisted every word of pope's message


The pontificate of Pope Benedict XVI has had two key themes: the crisis engulfing humanity in modern man-made culture and the possibility of rediscovering the antidote. Crisis and Christ, or perhaps, crisis in a Christian world in Christ’s apparent absence.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2013/0222/1224330366270.html

He had, for example, some things to say about markets and how they might be rescued from ideology and harnessed to a moral purpose in the common good.

Such themes, given a chance, might have sparked an important “secular” discussion, if the journalists had not been furiously scanning the text for the words “homosexuality” or “abortion”.

But why would we need the Pope to say that? Ever since the economic crisis started, people with relevant education and experience have been talking about how our economic system should be changed for the betterment of society.

With equal insistence, the pope reminded humankind of the dangers of misunderstanding human desiring, of pursuing too narrow a definition of freedom, of misusing reason in ways that would make these errors unavoidable.

He consistently characterised the condition of modern society as defined by a futile pursuit of things that do not exist.

But this is largely gibberish; it's hardly surprising that journalists read between the lines and see this as an attack on gays/abortion/whatever when, on the face of it, it doesn't say anything at all.

We might have been struck by the idea of growing debt as evidence of something more than technical malfunction – perhaps as an indicator of the ravenousness of human desires when unmoored from core meanings.

Such as the Vatican Bank, with a balance of minus 1.3 billion or so.

All this we missed, and much more besides. The main problem faced by Pope Benedict, I wrote five years ago, is that he was obliged to address his people through the megaphone of his enemies.

None of this is surprising. All over the crime scene of the crisis that engulfs western society are to be found the fingerprints of a media which, behind the facade of objective reporting of reality, pursues an ideological mission inextricably entangled with an economic one.

Ah, de librul meedja as ever; like the Jews in days of old, their tentacles are everywhere.

And nowhere, of course, does he mention the rape of children, or the Magdalenes.

The Black Oil

Been meditating with a thesaurus again, has he?

PopePalpatine

I think "thesaurus" might be the name of his favourite bong.

Hotblack Desiato

Interesting link in one of the IT comments:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ledwith

Allegedly the Vatican wasn't the only place with a 'gay mafia'

JW wrote:

He consistently characterised the condition of modern society as defined by a futile pursuit of things that do not exist.

Makes a change from the futile pursuit of 'salvation' and 'paradise' eh?

Newaglish

How can he keep giving out about the media? HE IS "THE MEDIA"

Argh

Hotblack Desiato

Newaglish wrote: »

How can he keep giving out about the media? HE IS "THE MEDIA"

Argh

But - he's being silenced by the liberal intelligentsia, with only his weekly column, Breda O'Brien's weekly column, and David Quinn's occasional columns to redress the bias :rolleyes:

TwoShedsJackson

Even by his standards, Waters' effort today is pure drivel. But there is one amusing reply in the comments section:

SeánMurphy
You haven't ever opened a book on theology, have you, Con?

ConO'Driscoll
I'm not really a gambling man Sean.

lazygal

The mysteriousness of existence again I note....

robindch

Here if anybody wants to make their eyes water.

swampgas

robindch wrote: »

Here if anybody wants to make their eyes water.

I tried to read it but my brain refused to cooperate after the first paragraph or so.