Still Waters No Longer Running, Derp.

TheChizler

swampgas wrote: »

I tried to read it but my brain refused to cooperate after the first paragraph or so.

Here's a summary of the more important and necessary words and phrases:

Seduced, simplistic positivism, transcendence, mysterious of human existence, logic of positivism, triumph of positivism, mass-media society, understanding of reality, immobilised, piety, escalating project of human deification, refuges of non-positivist thinking, conventional media, sociological themes, charismatic renewal, media darling, typical knee-jerk bunker-liberal, bizarre liberal lament, Newmanesque plea, extension of reason beyond the rational intellect, suffocates, original insight, positivist culture, nature and original structure of the human being, logic of objectivity, aspects of existence, calculations about reality, positivist culture, spirit of man, annihilation of the holy

PopePalpatine

English, motherfecker? Does he speak it?

goose2005

Media and church have long stood, alongside kings and soldiers, among the four major “estates” of human society.

Actually it's nobility, church, and commoners. And "media" didn't really exist until the early modern period.

Elsewhere, the novel remains one of the few remaining refuges of non-positivist thinking.

While poetry and opera are these days just lists of chemical equations, or something.

Nodin

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From here, the annihilation of the holy becomes inevitable, and among the many consequences is that popes are reduced to affable actors in red shoes.

As oppossed to what John? Superman?

The Black Oil

Can we get WWJWD t-shirts made?

Nodin

The Black Oil wrote: »

Can we get WWJWD t-shirts made?

WWJWD? on the front. On the back,

'Set up a false dichotomy between catholicism and a grasping outlook, ignore contradictions with own lifestyle, whinge about 'new media', use terms like an overconfident teenager with their 1st Big Book Of Phillosophy'

Or just use this pic....

lazygal

Today's offering:
The meja, the church and something about earthly society, whatever that is.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2013/0308/1224330911997.html

Delirium

lazygal wrote: »

Today's offering:
The meja, the church and something about earthly society, whatever that is.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2013/0308/1224330911997.html

I don't think he understands the term "hypocritical".

These un-named papers are for equal rights for homosexuals. It's in no way hypocritical to then point out that a cardinal who was very vocal against homosexuals was himself engaged in homosexual acts. If the cardinal hadn't been so vocal against homosexuals this would almost a non-story. The cardinal is in the limelight for failing to meet his own standards.

Hence, there is not ipso facto a conflict between Cardinal O’Brien’s exercising of his homosexual tendencies and his opposition to gay marriage.

But it is somewhat ironic that the Cardinal would say that marriage is between a man and a women while having homosexual sex. Sex is also viewed as being between a man and a woman.

And then we have Waters rolling out this old argument:

Some gay people have no interest in gay marriage, not wishing to be absorbed into what they regard as a bourgeois institution. Others fear that unforeseeable consequences of gay marriage and adoption may one day result in a backlash against gays. Some even agree with “traditionalists” that children should, where possible, be reared by a father and mother.

Some don't want gay marriage ergo don't let anyone have it:rolleyes: If you don't want to be married to someone, then don't get married! And I really doubt that anyone who would act out against homosexuals really needs gay marriage/adoption as an excuse to indulge their hatred.

The cardinal is living with the consequences of his hypocracy and I don't think the media are at all hypocritical in reporting on the story in the manner they have.

Links234

koth wrote: »

I don't think he understands the term "hypocritical".

I don't think he understands most of the terms he uses.

Society, is literally, like a wheel of cheese. Once not so long ago, the cheese wheel was kept safe under the Catholic Church's ever protectful protection. But no longer, for now it's being spun down the street by today's gay atheist feminist socialist cabal who are all literally Hitler and unaware of the mysteriousness of reality! And as it tumbles through the gutters, our once proud cheese wheel picks up all manner of unspeakable filth, blogs and twitter and facebook stuck to it's crust, eating away at it's cheesy goodness. Soon it will hit the wall of leftist liberal hyperbole, made of bricks of gay marriage, women's rights and rock'n'roll music, and it shall break into thousands of pieces all gobbled up and devoured by the rats and vermin and single mothers.

Also, a spaceman came calling who happens to share all my prejudices. Woopwoopwoop! :pac:

Penn

Links234 wrote: »

I don't think he understands most of the terms he uses.

I imagine him doing like Joey in Friends where he just uses the thesaurus on every second word.

PopePalpatine

A fiver says he failed the essay-writing segment of the Leaving Cert English exam. :pac:

Sarky

Best cheese metaphor ever. Well done, that woman.

Links234

we should host a John Waters article writing essay, winner gets a fez

Bannasidhe

Links234 wrote: »

we should host a John Waters article writing essay, winner gets a fez

Aw feck- I already have a fez.

Turtwig

Right, guys please be honest, how do you even manage to read those articles in their entirety? I honestly only last two paragraphs if I'm lucky then my brain feels like it's being devoured by a mushy squid or something. Seriously, how the heck do you read them? :eek:

SebBerkovich

Jernal wrote: »

Right, guys please be honest, how do you even manage to read those articles in their entirety? I honestly only last two paragraphs if I'm lucky then my brain feels like it's being devoured by a mushy squid or something. Seriously, how the heck do you read them? :eek:

Waters is best thing to ever happen to Masochists, they love this stuff.

Sarky

Jernal wrote: »

Right, guys please be honest, how do you even manage to read those articles in their entirety? I honestly only last two paragraphs if I'm lucky then my brain feels like it's being devoured by a mushy squid or something. Seriously, how the heck do you read them? :eek:

At speed, so the pain is gone quickly.

lazygal

Jernal wrote: »

Right, guys please be honest, how do you even manage to read those articles in their entirety? I honestly only last two paragraphs if I'm lucky then my brain feels like it's being devoured by a mushy squid or something. Seriously, how the heck do you read them? :eek:

Quickly, like ripping off a plaster.

PopePalpatine

Are there any 2nd level English teachers around here? I want to know how they would rate Waters' latest serving of tripe. :rolleyes:

Turtwig

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Are there any 2nd level English teachers around here? I want to know how they would rate Waters' latest serving of tripe. :rolleyes:

Considering that if you failed him you'd run the terrifying risk of teaching him for another year. C+

(Not a teacher though.)

lazygal

If I was marking that as a Leaving Cert essay I would fail the hell out of it.

Hotblack Desiato

Jernal wrote: »

Right, guys please be honest, how do you even manage to read those articles in their entirety?

It is a mere trifle compared to reading a response from a major consulting firm to a request for tender.

Bannasidhe

ninja900 wrote: »

It is a mere trifle compared to reading a response from a major consulting firm to a request for tender.

Or the arse licking preamble to any document ever written intended for a Tudor monarch.

fisgon

This most recent slab of Waters-ese is simply dishonest. It bears all the hallmarks of Youth Defence and other religious apologists, muddying the waters (unintended) with spurious arguments while all the time claiming bias and conspiracies. Fill the public space with as much nonsense as you can so that a cogent debate is impossible.

The Scottish cardinal's position is very very simple. He sexually harrassed people who were dependent on him for their position and employment, these people were men, and then he goes on to fulminate against homosexuality. It is the definition of hypocrisy. And Waters trying to defend this is absolutely typical, and indicative of the warped kind of thinking that religion spawns when taken seriously.

Galvasean

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Are there any 2nd level English teachers around here? I want to know how they would rate Waters' latest serving of tripe. :rolleyes:

Having tasted actual tripe quite recently I realise who appropriate a comparison that actually is...

Nodin

Here we go.....

Religion should not be taught in schools as a ‘history of superstition’

Recently I addressed some classes of graduating religion teachers in a teacher-training college

Why? Did they fuck up? Was it a test of their endurance? Read on....

Warning, he's gone mental with the thesaurus here.....
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/religion-should-not-be-taught-in-schools-as-a-history-of-superstition-1.1326349

IT-Guy

Nodin wrote: »

Here we go.....






Why? Did they fuck up? Was it a test of their endurance? Read on....

Warning, he's gone mental with the thesaurus here.....
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/religion-should-not-be-taught-in-schools-as-a-history-of-superstition-1.1326349

Some lowlights - equating learning about darwin, nietzsche and marx with being indoctrinated with 'sinister ideas'...Absolute subjectivity...osmotic recession of the religious impulse...specificity of the Christian faith is a necessarily particular code upon which Irish society depends for many quantities essential to human functioning.

Did a double take at the last one, more bs that without Xtianity we'd all be at each others throats and aytin babies for breakfast :rolleyes:

Nodin

IT-Guy wrote: »

...osmotic recession of the religious impulse...

The painnnnnnnnnnnnnn..............

Sarky

Does he even know the meaning of half the words he flings at the page?

Delirium

From the opening of the article:

My theme was what I called the de-absolutisation of Irish society, arising from a continuing breakdown of collective reasoning, which reduces our perspective on the human journey to an understanding of functional citizenship, passivity and unquestioning consumption.

And isn't it great that society has escaped from under the thumb of the Catholic church and moved beyond this, Mr.Waters? :P