NOTW/News Intl. controversy MEGATHREAD

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Today's NY Times' poignant few lines:

"According to a person close to Mr. Murdoch, the move also gives him an excuse to do something he had planned to do anyway: turn his flagship Sun tabloid into a seven-day operation, preserving his lucrative share in the Sunday newspaper market while decontaminating the brand by removing its association with The News of the World.

Critics of Mr. Murdoch said the move was more expedient than remorseful. “This seems like a cynical rebranding exercise,” said Jeremy Reed, a lawyer for several public figures who have sued The News of the World over allegations that the paper had hacked into, or intercepted, their cellphone messages.

The unfolding scandal also raises new questions about the close relationship between the police and the tabloid news media in Britain.":eek:

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Followed by The Beast's take:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/07/rupert-murdoch-scandal-business-debacle-as-coulson-faces-arrest.html?om_rid=NsjbL4&om_mid=_BOFwMMB8cQunaR

Corsendonk

Guillaume wrote: »

Don't worry I don't buy this piece of toilet paper. I came along to it from time to time though, at work or somewhere else. Not to mention I read or to say "see" their headlines at the local shop.

But trust me, the News of the world scandal WILL affect them.

No it won't, people have short memories and the tabloids that you dont like must be doing something right that they have 41% of the market. Not everyone wants to read a broadsheet, tabloids fill the substantial easy reading niche.

steelcityblues

The Daily Star team must feel like right idiots now.

Guillaume

ah well sure... Hitler should have done "something right' as most of the German people voted for him. According to Corsendok, it is all right to follow the wind as soon as the wind is massive. Poor lad, eat your grass and act as a sheep...

fryup

The Star has hit an all time low today

First of all they take a swipe at the NOW calling it a "Brit scum paper" which i think is very provocative and offensive, imagine if an english paper headlined with> Irish scum paper, imagine the outcry here.

And then after taking the moral high ground...they have the audacity to lead with a disgusting headline today, talk about hypocrisy.

OctavarIan

amacachi wrote: »

That's a little like feeling sorry for the people who just do the accounting for the Taleban. They're all part of it.

And moronic statement of the year goes to...

Run_to_da_hills

fryup wrote: »

The Star has hit an all time low today

First of all they take a swipe at the NOW calling it a "Brit scum paper" which i think is very provocative and offensive, imagine if an english paper headlined with> Irish scum paper, imagine the outcry here.

And then after taking the moral high ground...they have the audacity to lead with a disgusting headline today, talk about hypocrisy.

There is a difference, you don't get Irish papers distributed across the UK pretending to be British.

BTW the Daily Star referred to the NOTW as a low down Sunday rag and the Irish Sun as its low life sister rag. Both statements could be considered true.

Run_to_da_hills

Renault become the first company to extend its bar on advertising to all of News International's title, not just the defunct NotW.

http://www.mediaweek.co.uk/news/1079229/Renault-reviews-News-Int-ad-plans/

Corsendonk

Guillaume wrote: »

ah well sure... Hitler should have done "something right' as most of the German people voted for him. According to Corsendok, it is all right to follow the wind as soon as the wind is massive. Poor lad, eat your grass and act as a sheep...

First of all try to spell a users name correctly when your going to troll:D You seem to have a bee in your bonnet against red top tabloids and have a problem with people who read them. Are you sure you arn't a follower of Hitler that you don't seem to believe in a free market and a person right to read what they want. The fact is that the public has a short memory, 6 months later the typical News of the World readers will be buying the Sun on Sunday or do you expect them to move to the supermarket pullout that is called the Sunday Independent? Go on tell us what you think the NOTW readers should be reading after it goes.

Benny_Cake

Fascinating article in the Telegraph here which illustrates just how British politics has become contaminated by News International and it's activities:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8626421/Phone-hacking-David-Cameron-is-not-out-of-the-sewer-yet.html

not bakunin

People's fascination with 'lowlife' tabloids never ceases to amaze me.
They are what they say on the tin and they make no apologies for it. They are going to go for the lowest denominator, that's what they do. If you don't like their content, leave them to the other hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do read them each and every morning.

I think there is more of an argument to be made against the likes of the Sunday Independent, which tries to pass itself off as some sort of newspaper of record and value, but is filled with terrible writing, inane insights into the worlds of the privileged and ego-jostling opinion pieces from writers who put far too high a value of self-worth on themselves.

Technocentral

Telegraph's a right wing rag too.

flogen

Guillaume wrote: »

You think I am born yesterday ? :rolleyes:

I'd never make such an assumption. I am trying to figure out what you want, exactly.

Unfortunately/fortunately we cannot insist on the closure of something simply because we do not like it.

LondonIrish90

Technocentral wrote: »

Telegraph's a right wing rag too.

The Telegraph a rag?

Far from it. Probably one of the most famous and respected newspapers in the world.

IRE60

Last front page (web grab).

I love the new strap under the masthead, it's a real fcuk you to the family/owners.

I also see that they workers are thinking of taking a class action against News Corp.

A Dub in Glasgo

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Far from it. Probably one of the most famous and respected newspapers in the world.

Wow!

LondonIrish90

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Wow!

Have you got something constructive to say?

not bakunin

http://ow.ly/i/e6QP


Slightly better look at tomorrow's front and back still on Quark.
The word 'shame' features heavily.

Edit: Or is that InDesign in fullscreen?

A Dub in Glasgo

Yes - the Telegraph is probably not one of the most famous newspapers in the world. I have left out respected as that is comedy central.

LondonIrish90

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Yes - the Telegraph is probably not one of the most famous newspapers in the world. I have left out respected as that is comedy central.

The Telegraph is one of about 3 British newspapers which you regularly see on sale abroad (excluding the sun and the mirror in spain) and has the highest circulation of any broadsheet format newspaper in Britain, almost 3 times that of the Manchester Guardian. So I'd suggest it is pretty well known world wide and certainly more respected. Its circulation in the United Kingdom and the popularity of its website show this.

igorbiscan

Wonder if Paul Williams will come out and call his colleagues across the way "low-lifes" and "scumbags",:rolleyes: Im sure if NOTW was at it then it is/was most likely common practice amongst the other tabloids as well.

A Dub in Glasgo

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

The Telegraph is one of about 3 British newspapers which you regularly see on sale abroad (excluding the sun and the mirror in spain) and has the highest circulation of any broadsheet format newspaper in Britain, almost 3 times that of the Manchester Guardian. So I'd suggest it is pretty well known world wide and certainly more respected. Its circulation in the United Kingdom and the popularity of its website show this.

At every main train station and airport in Britain, you will see the Telegraph being given away free with a bottle of water or as the girl in WHSmith says 'Why pay £1.50 for the water when you can get it for free when you buy the Telegraph which is priced at £1

There are thousands of the papers sold every day just to get the water.

IRE60

in defence of the facts - the Telegraph has sod all bulk sales, bar in Scotland. In England it sells about 600k, 300k of which is subscription, only 80k copies at the lesser rate. So its not the telegraph pushing water. Try another route.

IRE60

not bakunin wrote: »

People's fascination with 'lowlife' tabloids never ceases to amaze me.
They are what they say on the tin and they make no apologies for it. They are going to go for the lowest denominator, that's what they do. If you don't like their content, leave them to the other hundreds of thousands of people across the country who do read them each and every morning.

I think there is more of an argument to be made against the likes of the Sunday Independent, which tries to pass itself off as some sort of newspaper of record and value, but is filled with terrible writing, inane insights into the worlds of the privileged and ego-jostling opinion pieces from writers who put far too high a value of self-worth on themselves.

I used to buy the Sunday Indo, but before leaving the shop I'd hide it inside the Daily Sport.

steelcityblues

SKY news all evening have been trying to humanise the gutter journos, as they leave the NOTW offices for the last time.

Pathetic, if perhaps unsurprising.

A Dub in Glasgo

IRE60 wrote: »

So its not the telegraph pushing water. Try another route.

Well in Scotland it is

allthedoyles

2.5 million copies sold weekly - at least they said thanks .

Benny_Cake

Technocentral wrote: »

Telegraph's a right wing rag too.

I included the link to the Telegraph article because I thought it was worth reading - I didn't see much of a right-wing slant in the article itself. The Telegraph is a long way to the right of me and I wouldn't buy it, but I don't thinks its a rag.

dartbhoy

Hopefully people will have enough cop on today not to buy this rag as some sort of collectors item! Good riddance to this rubbish!

LondonIrish90

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Well in Scotland it is

I'd suggest 9 out of every 10 copies of the Telegraph would be sold in England anyway.

To people calling it a "rag"... really? Maybe it doesn't adhere to your political viewpoints which is fair enough, but this knee jerk reaction to call any paper a rag is ridiculous.

I wouldn't ever entertain the thought of buying or reading the Guardian or the Independant (British one) but would not start screaming "Rag!" should I see it being read or linked on the internet. I'd hope the same would go for more right wing newspapers such as the Telegraph even if weren't alligned with your personal persuasions.

mike65

Ignore Dub, he never lacks for "attitiude"

Run_to_da_hills

[URL="[url]http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/_news/1350175/Send-off-for-your-free-souvenir-copy-of-the-paperrsquos-very-first-issue-along-with-a-copy-of-todayrsquos-final-edition.html[/url]"]Free Toilet Paper. [/URL]

A Dub in Glasgo

One of the recent exclusives in the rag

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/news/402737/The-News-of-the-World-was-the-subject-of-some-ferocious-attacks.html

'LAST week the News of the World was the subject of some ferocious and, at times, hysterical attacks on its credibility, integrity and journalistic standards.

The onslaught was led by a series of reports in the Guardian newspaper and hastily followed by the BBC, Sky News, and ITN.

The essence of their campaign was that members of our staff have engaged in a widespread and unlawful conspiracy to access "thousands" of mobile phones. '

A Dub in Glasgo

mike65 wrote: »

Ignore Dub, he never lacks for "attitiude"

and what 'attitude' would that be?

mike65

You seem to have a rather binary/linear attitude which is informed by your nationalist politics - i.e. Telegraph is "Tory" therefore a rag.

A Dub in Glasgo

mike65 wrote: »

You seem to have a rather binary/linear attitude which is informed by your nationalist politics - i.e. Telegraph is "Tory" therefore a rag.

Well Mike if you actually read the posts rather than indulge your own preconceptions, you will find I never called the Telegraph a rag or stated it was Tory. I stated it probably was not the most famous newspaper in the world and definitely not the most respected newspaper in the world.

mike65

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Well Mike if you actually read the posts rather than indulge your own preconceptions, you will find I never called the Telegraph a rag or stated it was Tory. I stated it probably was not the most famous newspaper in the world and definitely not the most respected newspaper in the world.

Touche (that'll learn me) but I suspect your use of not the most famous/respected is clear enough in its intent.

A Dub in Glasgo

Again if you read the thread posts, you will find that another poster claimed it was probably one of the most famous and most respected newspapers in the world. I disagreed with that and said it was probably not, it is quite clear to anyone if they read it that the telegraph is not a rag. As for it's politics,I haven't read it enough to say if it is Tory.

LondonIrish90

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Again if you read the thread posts, you will find that another poster claimed it was probably one of the most famous and most respected newspapers in the world. I disagreed with that and said it was probably not, it is quite clear to anyone if they read it that the telegraph is not a rag. As for it's politics,I haven't read it enough to say if it is Tory.

You actually didn't say that, you said "Wow". This post to me was clearly an attempt to show the level of your distain for the publication, and at the very least a post intended to draw some sort of reaction by firmly showing your stance when it comes to left and right wing media.

It seems strange also that you are not aware of the political persuasion of the Telegraph, which is stunningly obvious even to the person who flicks through it nonchalantly once in a blue moon, yet seem to be fully aware of its exposure and availability overseas in all formats.

Benny_Cake

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

I'd suggest 9 out of every 10 copies of the Telegraph would be sold in England anyway.

To people calling it a "rag"... really? Maybe it doesn't adhere to your political viewpoints which is fair enough, but this knee jerk reaction to call any paper a rag is ridiculous.

I wouldn't ever entertain the thought of buying or reading the Guardian or the Independant (British one) but would not start screaming "Rag!" should I see it being read or linked on the internet. I'd hope the same would go for more right wing newspapers such as the Telegraph even if weren't alligned with your personal persuasions.

I'd agree with this to a point - my politics would be very much on the left, and given a choice of UK papers it would be the Guardian or Independent. Although the Telegraph is a right-wing paper, it doesn't hide it's inclinations and I have no problems reading journalists whose political viewpoints mightn't match mine, as long as it's fair and well-written, which the Telegraph usually is anytime I've read it.

Back to the NOTW - I believe they doubled the print run for the final edition! They'll probably shift each one too - deeply depressing.

joan mack

In the sixties I am almost sure The News of the World was a banned newspaper in Dublin. However as we came into the seventies it was widely bought, My Late Father always said it was great for the sports Page, But we never quite believed him. Nice dishy girls were very much in evidence also

coylemj

IRE60 wrote: »

I used to buy the Sunday Indo, but before leaving the shop I'd hide it inside the Daily Sport.

Cartoon in an English newspaper a few years ago: Male customer in convenience store asks for 20 cigarettes and asks the shopkeeper to wrap them in a copy of Gay Times!

steelcityblues

https://twitter.com/#!/PaulMc_NOTW

steelcityblues

Just when you thought it could not get any scummier, The Mirror will lead tomorrow with the story of a NY cop being approached by NOTW to hack into 9/11 victims' phones.

Benny_Cake

steelcityblues wrote: »

Just when you thought it could not get any scummier, The Mirror will lead tomorrow with the story of a NY cop being approached by NOTW to hack into 9/11 victims' phones.

If this can be substantiated then it is huge - and Murdoch could be in trouble in the US.

Run_to_da_hills

steelcityblues wrote: »

Just when you thought it could not get any scummier, The Mirror will lead tomorrow with the story of a NY cop being approached by NOTW to hack into 9/11 victims' phones.

Link: http://www.mirror.co.uk/2011/07/11/phone-hacking-9-11-victims-may-have-had-mobiles-tapped-by-news-of-the-world-reporters-115875-23262694

fryup

not bakunin wrote: »

People's fascination with 'lowlife' tabloids never ceases to amaze me.

esp in this country, I worked with a guy who would slate the brits constantly but yet would buy the Sun everyday:rolleyes: (maybe just for pg 3)

Gavb

Guillaume wrote: »

ah well sure... Hitler should have done "something right' as most of the German people voted for him. According to Corsendok, it is all right to follow the wind as soon as the wind is massive. Poor lad, eat your grass and act as a sheep...

You Lose!:
Godwin's law...

IRE60

Excellent piece in the Guardian about how the crosswords clues and answers were doctored:

The clues for the quickie and cryptic crossword included "woman stares wildly at calamity", "catastrophe", "stink" and "criminal enterprise", seemingly a thinly veiled reference to Rebekah Brooks and the phone hacking scandal. Answers included "deplored", "stench", "disaster", "menace", "racket", "desist" and "tart".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/11/news-of-the-world-crossword?

Also in the "Londing" Indie:

A consortium of business and media figures including former Sunday Express editor Susan Douglas is drawing up a rescue bid for the News of the World, according to reports

It's not over yet by a stretch.