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Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭KMFCross


    yop wrote: »
    Ah ya, its just my own opinion, he seems like a lad who is well fit to break down a game, but doing it via video evidence and in the stand compared to the heat of a game, then we will see what he does.

    One thing I didn't like was when we played Ros last winter in Cbar he sat behind me with the Ros county board members and jeered our lads who were been hammered out the door, I was shocked when I turned around to find it was him. Just didn't like it. Anyway thats irrelevant to him getting the job.

    Who else is there?

    I can't see us going outside the county as the funds are probably low.

    Holmes, Maughan, McStay. No one else really I can think of.

    Thats bad form from him taunting a Mayo team alright, but i he was managing a Rossie team at the time so that obviously was the main reason.

    Pat Holmes could be a good man for the Job alright.

    Maughan I don't know tbh.

    Mchale is an option but I would expect if McStay got the job he would be a selector.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Agreed I think Kevin McStay would be a very positive appointment,he appears to be a good reader of the game,possessing of a tactical nous.As mentioned he's a winner,no mean feat to bring St. Brigid's to All Ireland glory in the club championship.

    For all James Horan brought in terms of conditioning and fitness,professionalism and a particular off loading game plan,McStay may possess of a greater tactical awareness,make switches quicker and most importantly read the game better.There needs to be a Plan B if things go awry.I do not believe the issues with certain players would be as likely to occur.Retention of Horan's backroom would be worthy of consideration although he might well wish to start with a clear slate.

    Freshness and new ideas is what the players need,I wish them a good long break for the winter...so so proud of all your efforts.However much we're hurting,it's magnified a multitude of times for them.For James Horan best of luck for the future,thanks for the last four years...so much joy and at the same time tinged with regret.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Agreed I think Kevin McStay would be a very positive appointment,he appears to be a good reader of the game,possessing of a tactical nous.As mentioned he's a winner,no mean feat to bring St. Brigid's to All Ireland glory in the club championship.

    For all James Horan brought in terms of conditioning and fitness,professionalism and a particular off loading game plan,McStay may possess of a greater tactical awareness,make switches quicker and most importantly read the game better.I do not believe the issues with certain players would be as likely to occur.Retention of Horan's backroom would be worthy of consideration although he might well wish to start with a clear slate.

    Freshness and new ideas is what the players need,I wish them a good long break for the winter...so so proud of all your efforts.However much we're hurting,it's magnified a multitude of times for them.For James Horan best of luck for the future,thanks for the last four years...so much joy and at the same time tinged with regret.


    Totally the point, in a good few games he was slow or didn't make the change.
    That along with the so called class of personality, if you believe it, with Evan (right name?) Regan and Adam Gallagher, both who are meant to be promising lads and the blatant shocking treatment of Richie Feeney won't be missed with James departure.
    We also need a stroke of luck also, which I think honestly deserted us in the 2012 final, off the post into the paws of the Donegal lad and into the net and even yesterday, great block by higgins bounced into the path of Donaghy.

    He probably is the stand out, outside of a dark horse we haven't thought off.

    Tommy Lyons... :eek::pac::D


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Do we really want to be going back to John Maughan and Pat Holmes again?A regressive step in my book.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Do we really want to be going back to John Maughan and Pat Holmes again?A regressive step in my book.

    Fk no!!! Not a chance. Thought what the state of the coffers are could dictate all this too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭KMFCross


    yop wrote: »
    Fk no!!! Not a chance. Thought what the state of the coffers are could dictate all this too.

    How much would a Mayo mangers job command?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    KMFCross wrote: »
    How much would a Mayo mangers job command?

    Not a clue, of course they don't get paid, but the expenses could clock up 20k a year?
    But thats totally a pie in the sky figure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭SeanJ09


    I wonder has Horan any aspirations of managing another inter-county team?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    SeanJ09 wrote: »
    I wonder has Horan any aspirations of managing another inter-county team?

    Jeebus.. Galway manager vacant...... don't depress me more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭KMFCross


    SeanJ09 wrote: »
    I wonder has Horan any aspirations of managing another inter-county team?

    Wouldn't think so at the moment, his main reasons for leaving the job now is a young family to raise.


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    Donegal and Kerry brought some 20 year olds on successfully over the weekend. Mayo have been top of the pile in minors for a few years now. Surely there must be a few more coming through.

    A couple of our full forwards are at retirement stage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    Like a few posters have waited a while to comment on yesterday..

    Couldnt make it down so only had the television coverage to go by which I know doesnt tell the whole story but here goes..

    We're so close to the breakthrough its just heartbreaking when you think of the players who have pulled on the Mayo jersey for the last time - and be in no doubt 5 or 6 of the panel may not play for Mayo again - such a killer way to go out

    1) Officiating
    We all know it was dreadful at times..7 officials involved and the amount of things missed were incredible..Along with the obvious highlighted ones include Enrights late hit on O Shea for COC's goal.For Kerrys first goal the sideline ball was taken a full 10 metres from where the ball went out..Incredible the linesman stood there watching..As Dara O Se said on Sky sure when a goal is scored/peno awarded thats enough punishment for a team.The mind boggles at the bias..
    Also the fact that it was solely Reilly that got Keegan sent off last Sunday and then hes reffing last night..Complete joke..He would have felt underminded more than coldrick by the rescinding of the red

    2)Players
    Massive effort put in..Can't fault them..Just a pity that 4 of our biggest players last year are way off that form (McL Caff Keegan Barrett)..PLayers go through peaks and dips in form unfortunately ours all materialised at this time of the year..Real pity we didnt get through yesterday..Would have been massive for the confidence..PLayers like Parsons Conroy Doherty and Keane really put some demons to the sword yesterday and was delighted for Keane and Conroy much maligned players who really performed when the heat was on

    3) Management
    Sorry to see Horan go..Did massive work and obv had great rapport with the players..However again on the line major mistakes..How he could leave Caff on Donaghy for so long after last weekend was chronic..It wasnt fair on the player..He just didnt have the build for him especially when he was not at peak form throughout the year..Did get unlucky with collision between AOS and COC but these are the obstacles that happen in matches

    4) Way forward
    No major clean out needed..These players are so close its deserve to be given a new manager to work with..One thing id love to see is better fundraising overseas..Like Donegal could go on a 5 day camp last week due to overseas benefactors..Dublin have a bottomless pit of monet..Kerry got 400k in New York this year..What did Mayo get from the trip to New York..5k collected in a bucket!! The money is there to drive our team forward the CB just need to organise a proper overseas fundraising iniative


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭threeball


    yop wrote: »
    Jeebus.. Galway manager vacant...... don't depress me more

    Galway already said Galway man only, mainly cos we're broke.


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    yop wrote: »
    Jeebus.. Galway manager vacant...... don't depress me more

    There was a post here today somewhere that Horan was moving to the USA next year with his job, could be bull...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭threeball


    I also think that if Galway won an all ireland with another mayo manager ye'd pull a russia on us :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,734 ✭✭✭Fowler87


    yop wrote: »
    There was one man I really would have loved to see manage us and that was Paidi O'Shea, he was as cute as fk and hard as nails. An honor to meet the man and read his book.
    If you watched Donegal today, they lumped into Dublin, punched them, kicked them, nailed them at EVERY turn. We need to do this, Caff was much too soft on Star yesterday, Keane roughed him up but of course Mrs Reilly gave him 2 of the softest frees you will ever see.

    We need someone who will make the decisions. The more I think of Caff at full-back the more I think he isn't up to it. Against Donegal, Dublin and then 2 games this year he was beat up and over. Phyiscally pushed around the place.

    In fairness Caff struggled all year. Apparently Brolly ridiculed him too which is disrespectful for a two time all star recipient. Caff has been a rock at 3 for Mayo, best since Cahill. He got the beating of Donaghy and other top forwards in the past too but of course that is forgotten by the 'expert'.

    Unfortunately, that is the the main negative of Horans tenure; tactics and slow decision making in the heat of a game. Cafferky being left exposed and beaten all ends up at times by Donaghy just another example. Agree the next manager has to be more decisive and 'cute hoorish' on the line. But for that manager whoever it may be to continue on and even further what Horan and the people with him have given this Mayo team will be serious task too.

    Ultimately it's down to the players though and what other lads come through to the seniors to offer depth and badly needed competition at this stage, ie Adam Gallagher, Stephen Coen, Danny Kirby, Evan Regan, Aidan Walsh. Not to mention the minors of last year to be blooded asap This is the greatest bunch of Mayo players this county has ever seen for generations. James Horan set the stall out to be consistently competitive at the top. He's certainly done that so in that mind its been a success without the main reward sadly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭KMFCross


    There was a post here today somewhere that Horan was moving to the USA next year with his job, could be bull...

    Heard he was offered a lucrative package with coca cola last year to move to US so there may be truth in this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,734 ✭✭✭Fowler87


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Do we really want to be going back to John Maughan and Pat Holmes again?A regressive step in my book.

    Maughan no chance. But has Holmes not got more tactically aware I suppose and more experienced in management to be worthy of consideration since he last had the job in 2001 (last time we won the league too!)? Bringing Castlebar to an All Ireland final was also a big achievement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    Maughan and Holmes? Pass the bottle lads.


  • Registered Users Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Archer3083


    jmayo wrote: »
    Agree with everything bar last sentence.

    As for yesterday well we played a half decent Kerry team with some outstanding players (Moran being the best) and for chunks of the match a guy from Meath.

    I think Horan, much like Maughan before, did a great job up to a point, but they both seemed to lack the tactical ability to ultimately land the big prize.
    Horan's biggest achievement I think was instilling a never say die attitude amongst a team that took a lot of body blows.
    Beaten in 2012, beaten in 2013 and still coming back for more.
    Hell last week we lost a player, were 5 points down and still came roaring back.

    I think without the influence of the aforementioned Meath man the worst that Mayo should have come out of yesterday with was a draw.

    I think most of the incidents the ref got wrong are covered in post above by davegrohl48.
    Suffice it to say most times something was let slide it appeared to hurt Mayo more than Kerry.

    The big questions I now have are ...
    can someone explain how Enright managed to stay on the pitch until subbed and how do you now tackle/compete against a big tall full forwards without it being a free in ?

    Oh and I know one other poster mentioned it, but I would like to hear Pat Spillane's comments on his county's current team or his comments only applicable to Northern teams.

    Being from Mayo you get used to being beaten by better teams on big days.
    Getting royally screwed over (pardon the pun) by an offical so a comparable team wins is the thing that grates for me.
    Were you just as disappointed with Cormac Reilly's performance in the Mayo vs Cork game?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    Fowler87 wrote: »
    Maughan no chance. But has Holmes not got more tactically aware I suppose and more experienced in management to be worthy of consideration since he last had the job in 2001 (last time we won the league too!)? Bringing Castlebar to an All Ireland final was also a big achievement.

    Mayo need someone like McGuinness, jack O Connor or fitzmaurice or even McStay in as manager. I think a more shrewd tactician may land them the big prize. Horan was that bit limited in the grand scheme of things.


  • Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭royster999


    Was Mcstay and McHale in charge of u21s when they got to the final in 01' ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Disappointing for Mayo. Far too much noise about the GG and none about the ref. Turns out the latter was the enemy.

    Kerry looked the better team, but oddly the ref certainly cost Mayo the game. Then O Shea getting injured compounded it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭royster999


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    Maughan and Holmes? Pass the bottle lads.

    Yeah. Pat Holmes didnt show much tactical nous in the AI Club final when he didnt change Reilly off Connelly when he was getting roasted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭MfMan


    royster999 wrote: »
    Yeah. Pat Holmes didnt show much tactical nous in the AI Club final when he didnt change Reilly off Connelly when he was getting roasted.

    Proven AI winner - John O'Mahoney.

    Why oh why didn't Hennelly

    a) steal a yard or two infield for the last free - nobody would notice
    b) come up to take the 45 that COC missed in first half ET - would have delayed a bit of time, had a better chance of slotting it and a 3-point lead then might just have titled it Mayo's way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭royster999


    MfMan wrote: »
    Proven AI winner - John O'Mahoney.

    Why oh why didn't Hennelly

    a) steal a yard or two infield for the last free - nobody would notice
    b) come up to take the 45 that COC missed in first half ET - would have delayed a bit of time, had a better chance of slotting it and a 3-point lead then might just have titled it Mayo's way.

    Too honest. Not like Kerry.
    BJ Keane stole about 10 yards for the free they got for phantom foul on Donaghy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Pandiani


    MfMan wrote: »
    b) come up to take the 45 that COC missed in first half ET - would have delayed a bit of time, had a better chance of slotting it and a 3-point lead then might just have titled it Mayo's way.

    I was at the game. Hennelly was on the way up for this but was told to go back again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    jibber5000 wrote: »
    4) Way forward
    No major clean out needed..These players are so close its deserve to be given a new manager to work with..

    Interested in the general opinion on this? Do we really think 'one more heave' with essentially the same team is going to do it? I'd be inclined to think the new guy needs to go back to the drawing board...


  • Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭royster999


    Interested in the general opinion on this? Do we really think 'one more heave' with essentially the same team is going to do it? I'd be inclined to think the new guy needs to go back to the drawing board...

    How many of the first team would be discarded ?
    Most of the team is fine.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭lorenzo87


    yop wrote: »
    Cant say a lot as its still a bit raw, but very proud of our lads. The commitment of the 2 teams over the 2 games was incredible, NOTHING left on the sideline by the players and with todays game we have a game we can all be proud of.
    As above I'm worn out with what the state of reffing in this game was, who knows but my heart is telling me he cost us the game, I haven't seen the game on TV so can't comment besides, except from the various media and texts I got from people who said he robbed us blind.
    With regards the GG, have to say its a fine fine spot for a game, the atmosphere was incredible and the tension (which led me been phyiscally sick at one stage!!! (sad I know)) was nuts.

    Wish James the best in everything he does, some things he did or didn't do baffled me, but he was brave enough to take us from an awful low to where we are today.

    My heart is broken and spirit in ribbons, but we will be back

    I agree, the referee made a couple of awful calls.
    But, Mayo had a 7 point lead early on, they only have themselves to blame I am afraid. The key battle was Donaghy v Caff, and that decided the outcome of the game for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,776 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    royster999 wrote: »
    Too honest. Not like Kerry.
    BJ Keane stole about 10 yards for the free they got for phantom foul on Donaghy!

    I think the ref might have brought that one in actually.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    royster999 wrote: »
    How many of the first team would be discarded ?
    Most of the team is fine.

    Fine as in good enough to get to another semi? Probably. But to go all the way against what are likely to be fresh and massively formidable Dublin and Kerry teams next year? I don't know enough about the club scene to talk about likely alternatives in specific positions, it's more the principle of it. Does a team that has fallen just short so many times and that almost certainly peaked last year ever land the elusive All-Ireland in the end?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,734 ✭✭✭Fowler87


    Interested in the general opinion on this? Do we really think 'one more heave' with essentially the same team is going to do it? I'd be inclined to think the new guy needs to go back to the drawing board...

    The base/core is still pretty formidable but unfortunately this year the back line has struggled badly from the standard set since 2011. Forwards for all the ridicule they have been given had a good year, midfield outdone perhaps in two games but still big strength in comparison to the rest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭ultrapercy


    Fine as in good enough to get to another semi? Probably. But to go all the way against what are likely to be fresh and massively formidable Dublin and Kerry teams next year? I don't know enough about the club scene to talk about likely alternatives in specific positions, it's more the principle of it. Does a team that has fallen just short so many times and that almost certainly peaked last year ever land the elusive All-Ireland in the end?

    Mayo are different to other leading counties in that they dont seem to suddenly unearth a top player out of seemingly nowhere. All the other leading Counties even Donegal can freshen up their squads with at least 1 top layer every year, Kerry seem to have a conveyor belt of class players. Mayo must nurture and blood and bring thru the league then a championship season on the bench etc. Maybe the money that was spent on McHale park would have been better spent on grassroot coaching and development. Mayo, as long as I remember and thats a while, have struggled for scoring forwards. Its not magic or voodo, Mayo have as much talent as Kerry just that Kerry have a better system of developing it. This present bunch of players is the best I have seen representing the county better than the mid 80s team the 89 AI runners up better than the 96/97 team and better than the team of the mid noughties but they still seem to work much harder than opponents for scores. On Saurday there were long periods where Mayo dominated completely without scoring then Kerry would pop one over(albeit often with refereeing assistance)that is soul destroying. Tactics can bring you a long way but forwards such as ODonoghue win matches. Taking to my 72 year old uncle yesterday he told me how he remembers Bernard and Alan Brogans father leaving Foxford by train to find work and a new life in Dublin. The question raised was would the Brogan brothers have become the players they are if they came tru the Mayo football system?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,785 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    royster999 wrote: »
    Too honest. Not like Kerry.
    BJ Keane stole about 10 yards for the free they got for phantom foul on Donaghy!

    Same for the sideline ball in the lead up to the first penalty...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭lorenzo87


    No mention of the Mayo penalty, Cillian fouled happening outside the square?
    Ye can make excuses all ye like lads and can keep blaming the ref, but it wasn't his fault ye lost.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭ultrapercy


    lorenzo87 wrote: »
    No mention of the Mayo penalty, Cillian fouled happening outside the square?
    Ye can make excuses all ye like lads and can keep blaming the ref, but it wasn't his fault ye lost.

    foul was inside and it should have been a black card. Refereeing was the worst I have ever seen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    lorenzo87 wrote: »
    No mention of the Mayo penalty, Cillian fouled happening outside the square?
    Ye can make excuses all ye like lads and can keep blaming the ref, but it wasn't his fault ye lost.

    Yeah the Kerry man should have received his 2nd yellow or black for that foul.


  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭lorenzo87


    ultrapercy wrote: »
    foul was inside and it should have been a black card. Refereeing was the worst I have ever seen.

    Ye had a 7 point lead, and failure to win a single ball that was kicked in to Donaghy was the reason ye lost. The ref made a few bad calls, and the black card isn't a huge thing anyways as you can replace a player. I agree that the referee made a couple of poor decisions, he gave Kerry a couple of frees that weren't close to being frees, but ye lost the midfield battle, Aidan O'Shea over-carried the ball around 50 times and yer full back was horrendous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    ultrapercy wrote: »
    Mayo are different to other leading counties in that they dont seem to suddenly unearth a top player out of seemingly nowhere. All the other leading Counties even Donegal can freshen up their squads with at least 1 top layer every year, Kerry seem to have a conveyor belt of class players.

    To be fair this is a connacht problem more than a mayo one. Mayo are a hell of a lot better at bringing players through than we are. This mayo minor team from 2007 has 5 players that would play in senior all Ireland finals while the guy who scored 1-5 for us that day can barely get a start for his club these days http://www.roscommonpeople.ie/itemdetail.asp?itemID=1059&menu=d1059

    Galway has had 4 winning under 21 teams over the past decade and yet barely won a match outside connacht.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭lorenzo87


    Well, I hope to fekk Donegal beat the ****e out of them in the final! (as a Limerick man).
    I was hoping Mayo would win as they have been in hard luck the last couple of years. I just hope they haven't let their one huge chance slip by (2013). Let's hope for an improved Mayo side next year, because ye are not far off at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭KMFCross


    lorenzo87 wrote: »
    Ye had a 7 point lead, and failure to win a single ball that was kicked in to Donaghy was the reason ye lost. The ref made a few bad calls, and the black card isn't a huge thing anyways as you can replace a player. I agree that the referee made a couple of poor decisions, he gave Kerry a couple of frees that weren't close to being frees, but ye lost the midfield battle, Aidan O'Shea over-carried the ball around 50 times and yer full back was horrendous.

    In this case it was a huge thing as enright was on a yellow card already so a black would turn into a red card and Kerry would have been down to 14 men


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Lissavane wrote: »
    Either would be just more of the same, regardless of their personal qualities. They've grown up with the mindset of losers.

    Now that Mayo seem to have perfected their physical and techinical skills, they need a manager that has the mindset of a winner and can instill that in the team.

    Mayo need a Kerry manager!

    No we need a Northern manager.
    Oh no scrub that Kerry managers now seem to display the same nuances for winning at all costs. :rolleyes:
    I know its a bit raw in here and I would agree that the two frees Donaghy got in ET were not frees, the first penalty was debateable and you have to allow that the ref saw it from an angle. the second one was a penalty.
    Refereeing is an issue throughout the GAA, the fella refereeing the hurling final next Sunday should not be let near a juvenile game let alone the showpiece final.
    Reilly IMO had a good game up until ET, everyone tired and it got scrappy.

    Obviously you didn't notice the fact that reilly allowed Enright remain on pitch in the 1st half, despite already being on a yellow and then pulling O'Connor down rugby tackle style or the fact he took out O'Shea after he passed the ball to O'Connor.
    Archer3083 wrote: »
    Were you just as disappointed with Cormac Reilly's performance in the Mayo vs Cork game?

    Actually being honest I think cork were secrewed by him as well.
    He shoudl have given a free that should have resulted in a point and he could have black carded a Mayo player.

    Likewise yesterday he could have black carded a Mayo player for a foot trip.
    Of course this was after he could have red carded the same Kerry player at least twice.
    lorenzo87 wrote: »
    Ye had a 7 point lead, and failure to win a single ball that was kicked in to Donaghy was the reason ye lost. The ref made a few bad calls, and the black card isn't a huge thing anyways as you can replace a player. I agree that the referee made a couple of poor decisions, he gave Kerry a couple of frees that weren't close to being frees, but ye lost the midfield battle, Aidan O'Shea over-carried the ball around 50 times and yer full back was horrendous.

    Yes there was a major tactical failure in not dealing with Donaghy.
    And that highlighted Horans weakness as a manager.
    No arguments there.

    You are being a bit economical with the truth there about the black card I am afraid.

    AFAIK the black card on top of the yellow card already would actually mean that Enright got a red and have been sent off.

    Pic%203.jpg

    Enright in fact could have been done again for taking out O'Shea after he offloaded the ball to O'Connor for the second goal.
    Instead a couple of minutes later he was subbed rather than risk a third major foul that might finally push reilly to actually do something.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭lorenzo87


    KMFCross wrote: »
    In this case it was a huge thing as enright was on a yellow card already so a black would turn into a red card and Kerry would have been down to 14 men

    It wasn't a red card, would have been an extremely harsh call. If it were outside the box, then maybe. But ye got a penalty and scored it. Ye can keep blaming the ref all ye like but the Mayo performance at the back and in midfield was ****e at the end of the day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭KMFCross


    lorenzo87 wrote: »
    It wasn't a red card, would have been an extremely harsh call. If it were outside the box, then maybe. But ye got a penalty and scored it. Ye can keep blaming the ref all ye like but the Mayo performance at the back and in midfield was ****e at the end of the day.

    If the way Enright hauled down o' Connor is not a black card then i don't know what a black card is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭royster999


    On the club scene this year, how have Kilcoyne of Knockmore and Regan of Ballina played?

    Those are two who could potentially make a difference to the forwards, if on form.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    royster999 wrote: »
    On the club scene this year, how have Kilcoyne of Knockmore and Regan of Ballina played?

    Those are two who could potentially make a difference to the forwards, if on form.

    Kilcoyne had a serious enough injury there last year.

    Regan is one that will come into contention with a new manager as he apparently had a falling out with Horan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    Interested in the general opinion on this? Do we really think 'one more heave' with essentially the same team is going to do it? I'd be inclined to think the new guy needs to go back to the drawing board...

    The mark of a good manger anywhere in any business or sport is never to go back to the drawing board, but just tweak a few things.
    Any what needs tweaking in mayos case is tactics and switches need to be implemented sooner rather than later in the game.

    eg midfield getting cleaned out, well then switch to short kickouts and hit the wings, like what dublin did in the final last year.
    Get players to offload the ball quicker to a runner, do not carry into tackles. Too many balls were needlessly lost in the half forward lines by players running into tackles thinking they could burst thru.
    The backline has being an area of concern for the past year....leaking goals at key times. I said it before and Ill say it again, something needs to be done to address this, new blood or new system or else mayo can keep forgetting about a celtic cross.

    The team is there and they can win one within the next few years, it just needs tweaking a small bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    I am completely neutral in this and enjoyed the games immensely. However the Mayo fans' reaction to their defeat is embarrassing and lacking any class. The ref was poor, but he was poor to both sides. The fact is that Kerry were the better team over both games and they won. Mayo had large leads in both games and couldn't hold it together. It's tough, but that's sport. It's extremely difficult to win an All-Ireland, but ye'll get we're chance again.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    I am completely neutral in this and enjoyed the games immensely. However the Mayo fans' reaction to their defeat is embarrassing and lacking any class. The ref was poor, but he was poor to both sides. The fact is that Kerry were the better team over both games and they won. Mayo had large leads in both games and couldn't hold it together. It's tough, but that's sport. It's extremely difficult to win an All-Ireland, but ye'll get we're chance again.

    Colm O'Rourke isn't a Mayo man, read his piece in the paper or listen to his interviews. Listen to the sports shows also, Tomás O'Shea isn't a Mayo man, yet listen to what he said about the game.
    Michael Lyster, yes you guessed it, isn't a Mayo man.

    Will I go on or do you want to go on embarrassing yourself?


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