Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

Fr Tod Umptious

KMFCross wrote: »

Who is saying that Buckley would go if McHale was a coach?

To the best of my knowledge Connelly\Holms had Buckley as part of their team.

McStay did not.

irishgeo

KMFCross wrote: »

The word is that McNicholas is going to tell the board this evening that McStay & McHale were looking for too much money for the job so it automatically ruled them out of the running.

nobody gets paid apparently :rolleyes:

i thought it was a set amount of expenses as the revenue were looking at this closely.

naughto

irishgeo wrote: »

nobody gets paid apparently :rolleyes:

i thought it was a set amount of expenses as the revenue were looking at this closely.

Cash is king as they say

realweirdo

So first it was because Mcstay's presentation was too radical. Now its because they were looking for too much money?

I doubt it was money for themselves, it was money to put in place the correct structures and training camps, and proper preparation to get Mayo over the line.

Clearly the CB think the next management team can do it on the cheap.

So far, I have seen absolutely no reason to justify why McStay/McHale weren't given a fair go through the full process that was agreeed at the meeting on Friday night.

And there is absolutely no question that McNicolas has to go and one or two others along with him.

Audioslaven

realweirdo wrote: »

So first it was because Mcstay's presentation was too radical. Now its because they were looking for too much money?

I doubt it was money for themselves, it was money to put in place the correct structures and training camps, and proper preparation to get Mayo over the line.

Clearly the CB think the next management team can do it on the cheap.

So far, I have seen absolutely no reason to justify why McStay/McHale weren't given a fair go through the full process that was agreeed at the meeting on Friday night.

And there is absolutely no question that McNicolas has to go and one or two others along with him.

True. Whatever the opinions people have about the nominations, due process has to take precedence. All guys should have the stage to explain their presentation and ideas irrespective of any issues around money, trainers etc.

I do feel for McStay and McHale as they should have got their moment to present their case. It also raises questions over Connelly and Holmes especially with Connelly's brother as the vice chairman.

Chairman must go. If he cannot understand the basics around been transparent, upfront and applying due process to these guys that put their name forward, then I hate to see what he does with other aspects to Mayo GAA.

It reminds me of people voting in the village clown

boosabum

allegedly, it would have been compensation for loss of media duties which had to be addressed at an early stage, allegedly

Coillte_Bhoy

But McStay had his chance to present is case obviously, of course the agreed procedures should have been followed but to say he didnt get a hearing is way off the mark. I'm curious as to what form the meeting/presentation took

Shady Tady

I hear Enda Kenny is taking over as chairman of the county board and he's proposing some McNulty fellow for the managers job, seems he played junior for ballyporeen and is therefore highly qualified. He made his first appearance for ballyporeen at Conor forward two weeks ago during the last game of the season😀

Fr Tod Umptious

Anyone going to the county board meeting tonight

Rockfish

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Anyone going to the county board meeting tonight

Every delegate in the county even those that never go will be there i'm sure. Would love to be there.

Coillte_Bhoy

There will be no vote of no confidence tonight anyway.

Rockfish

I believe that McStay didnt want to go through the formal inerview process and asked the chairman straight out if he was getting the job, he didnt want to be messed around. Also the money they were looking for was a big stumbling block

TCDStudent1

realweirdo wrote: »

So first it was because Mcstay's presentation was too radical. Now its because they were looking for too much money?

I doubt it was money for themselves, it was money to put in place the correct structures and training camps, and proper preparation to get Mayo over the line.

Clearly the CB think the next management team can do it on the cheap.

So far, I have seen absolutely no reason to justify why McStay/McHale weren't given a fair go through the full process that was agreeed at the meeting on Friday night.

And there is absolutely no question that McNicolas has to go and one or two others along with him.

That is not clear. The CB have a responsibility to do these things within a reasonable budget and not run themselves into a big debt. I see no evidence anywhere that Connelly / Holmes are the 'cheap' option and it is not fair to suggest that they are.

I am stunned at the abuse thrown at Liam McHale on this thread. I dont particularly like him as a media commentator. But holy god, whether you like his personality or not, that guy gave a lot for Mayo football. He does not deserve some of the things said in this thread.

allegedly, it would have been compensation for loss of media duties which had to be addressed at an early stage, allegedly

I would find it hard to believe that. I wonder if that is the norm though. I'd imagine that the sunday game gig is a nice earner. I wonder if Loughnane got anything when he went to Galway hurlers.

There will be no vote of no confidence tonight anyway.

In who?

naughto

Paddy McNicholas has to go after all this

Kalyke

Paddy Mc wont tell what McStay was asking for.

Panrich

According to the twitter machine, the chairman is still digging. He now says that nobody in their right mind would have accepted McStay package.

Always_Running

Paddy Mc said at tonights meeting. no man in this room who would have accepted Kevin McStay's package a non runner he said.

km79

Always_Running wrote: »

Paddy Mc said at tonights meeting. no man in this room who would have accepted Kevin McStay's package a non runner he said.

yes but the debate is not whether or not mcstay shud have got it or not BUT whether correct procedures were followed .......the chairman is doing a great job of distracting from this tonight . pure politics . disheartening

Rockfish

Connelly and Holmes have been ratified anyway.

naughto

Always_Running wrote: »

Paddy Mc said at tonights meeting. no man in this room who would have accepted Kevin McStay's package a non runner he said.

He should do the right thing an resign

Rockfish

Edwin McGreal ‏@edmcgreal

The meeting has moved on. No move against Mayo GAA Paddy McNicholas over his handling of appointment debacle.

Panrich

Rockfish wrote: »

Edwin McGreal ‏@edmcgreal

The meeting has moved on. No move against Mayo GAA Paddy McNicholas over his handling of appointment debacle.

MAYO FOR SHAM

Defiler Of The Coffin

Just what was in McStay's package? I MUST KNOW

Rockfish

Well it seems the Co Board delegates didnt agree with the 'mob' on here. As one delegate said the whole process was clumsy rather than sinister

Panrich

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Just what was in McStay's package? I MUST KNOW

I'd say that this will force McStay to comment further. He's been branded as a fool by the chairman tonight.

keeponhurling

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Just what was in McStay's package? I MUST KNOW

Stop thinking about another man's package

Rockfish

Panrich wrote: »

I'd say that this will force McStay to comment further. He's been branded as a fool by the chairman tonight.

Sorry?? He never said anything of the sort.

Rockfish

Panrich wrote: »

I'd say that this will force McStay to comment further. He's been branded as a fool by the chairman tonight.

Will he say what was in the package? You can bet your arse he won't

realweirdo

No attempt to negotiate with McStay by the looks of it.

There should have been an attempt at a compromise by both sides.

It just seems like McStay was written off very easily.

Fr Tod Umptious

So to sum up.

The nominated candidates were McStay and Connelly/Holmes.

Each had give a presentation of what they would do and what they needed.

A committee agreed that both should be interviewed.

Paddy Mc decided (and others may have thought this way too) that what was being requested by McStay was not realistic.
So he calls McStay to tell him as much and that the other pair are likely to get the job.
McStay says fine I'm not changing the package.

Then a few PR disasters on Saturday night and now Connelly/Holmes are ratified without the expected bloodbath at the CB.

All happy ?

Rockfish

realweirdo wrote: »

No attempt to negotiate with McStay by the looks of it.

There should have been an attempt at a compromise by both sides.

It just seems like McStay was written off very easily.

maybe they did, maybe it wasnt possible, maybe the CB preferred Connelly/Holmes. lets ee if McStay outlines what his package was. of course he wont.

realweirdo

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

So to sum up.

The nominated candidates were McStay and Connelly/Holmes.

Each had give a presentation of what they would do and what they needed.

A committee agreed that both should be interviewed.

Paddy Mc decided (and others may have thought this way too) that what was being requested by McStay was not realistic.
So he calls McStay to tell him as much and that the other pair are likely to get the job.
McStay says fine I'm not changing the package.

Then a few PR disasters on Saturday night and now Connelly/Holmes are ratified without the expected bloodbath at the CB.

All happy ?

Not happy...satisfied but sceptical...the whole thing was handled badly. Still think McStay was the better option. However what's done is done.

Connelly/Holmes have to prove themselves and hit the ground running. Horan left behind a very good setup and most of the backroom staff have been retained. There is no reason why Mayo shouldnt be competitive next year.

realweirdo

Rockfish wrote: »

maybe they did, maybe it wasnt possible, maybe the CB preferred Connelly/Holmes. lets ee if McStay outlines what his package was. of course he wont.

McStay is litterly in a no win situation. If he outlines his package, people will say he should have kept quiet.

If he does come out in the media tomorrow I hope people don't criticise him for giving his side of the story. We've mostly heard the CB side of the story so far.

I think Kevin will simply want to move on from this situation. As I think we all should.

km79

so is it joint managers or which one is assistant ?

Fr Tod Umptious

km79 wrote: »

so is it joint managers or which one is assistant ?

Hopefully the detail of that will be revealed at this stage now that its official

keeponhurling

And McHale has said he wouldn't get involved in a mayo team again after this.

So does that preclude McStay rom taking the job at some future time ?
I'd love to see him get a go at it

Rockfish

McNicholas rang McStay on Saturday morning to ask him to change some of his proposals as they wouldnt get past the Co Board. McStay refused and asked would he have the backing of the co board and asked to know where he stood as he didnt want to be left hanging. McNicholas told him truthfully, No. It then ended up in the national media, wonder who was responsible for that?? The executive then made a balls of things PR wise and struggled to keep up with events. It's over thankfully.

Rockfish

realweirdo wrote: »

McStay is litterly in a no win situation. If he outlines his package, people will say he should have kept quiet.

If he does come out in the media tomorrow I hope people don't criticise him for giving his side of the story. We've mostly heard the CB side of the story so far.

I think Kevin will simply want to move on from this situation. As I think we all should.

I also think it would be unfair of the CB to divulge details without McStays consent. Agreed, time to move on.

seligehgit

Rockfish wrote: »

Well it seems the Co Board delegates didnt agree with the 'mob' on here. As one delegate said the whole process was clumsy rather than sinister

The mob you speak of on here simply want transparency and accountability.An explanation of why proper procedures were'nt followed should be furnished.Why on earth can't an outline re the package be revealed if it was on such a prohibitive scale(no specifics required)?Surely the delegates are entitled to form an opinion on this themselves.

Always_Running

km79 wrote: »

so is it joint managers or which one is assistant ?

Joint managers same as 2006-09 with the U-21s.

km79

Always_Running wrote: »

Joint managers same as 2006-09 with the U-21s.

has a joint management team ever won Sam ?

Fr Tod Umptious

km79 wrote: »

has a joint management team ever won Sam ?

I don't think a county with as high a profile as Mayo currently have has even had joint managers at this level.

km79

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I don't think a county with as high a profile as Mayo currently have has even had joint managers at this level.

yeah I'm wracking my brains and can't think of one.
There is a reason for that I suppose....

keeponhurling

km79 wrote: »

has a joint management team ever won Sam ?

Rhetorical question ?

km79

keeponhurling wrote: »

Rhetorical question ?

not really. I'm pretty sure it has never happened ? and there is a reason for it.I hope its Connelly boss and Holmes assistant or whatever he will be called!
There has to be one boss!

Fr Tod Umptious

km79 wrote: »

not really. I'm pretty sure it has never happened ? and there is a reason for it.I hope its Connelly boss and Holmes assistant or whatever he will be called!
There has to be one boss!

Well many of us would have likeed it if there was another "manager" on the sideline along with Horan a few times during his tenure.

davegrohl48

Predict whats in the package time. I reckon elements will be revealed. In all likelihood progressive (termed radical) but I reckon no big addition of costs. I cant see Kevin McStay demanding extra backroom/logistics/equipment costs at proposal stage.
McStay has never managed a big budget team n demanded a big budget? Unlikely. If there was something calamitous in it Paddy McNicholas would've revealed it under pressure of questioning at tonights meeting.

km79

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well many of us would have likeed it if there was another "manager" on the sideline along with Horan a few times during his tenure.

yeah I can see that side of it too BUT when the pressure is on one man will have to make the call. He should have someone to consult with but ultimately he should have to make the call. Now there are 2 men with equal responsibility .....what happens on the big day when the big call needs to be made quick if they don't agree? I've been there myself with school teams. It doesn't work. There a just has to be one named boss. the decision making power can be as little 51:49 in his favour for all I care but there has to be one named boss.
History has shown us this..... no joint managers I can think of........I hope its not joint managemen I really do

LeoB

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I don't think a county with as high a profile as Mayo currently have has even had joint managers at this level.

Tyrone had Art McRory and Eugene McKenna and were robbed of a possible All-Ireland
Armagh had Brian McAllinden and Jim Smyth? or a priest who's name escapes me.

Tyrone at the time were a superb football side one of the best in the country on the back of successful U/21 sides. They could have won All-Ireland in 1986 and should have won 1996 when Peter Canavan got awful treatment on the field.

Fr Tod Umptious

LeoB wrote: »

Tyrone had Art McRory and Eugene McKenna and were robbed of a possible All-Ireland
Armagh had Brian McAllinden and Jim Smyth? or a priest who's name escapes me.

Tyrone at the time were a superb football side one of the best in the country on the back of successful U/21 sides. They could have won All-Ireland in 1986 and should have won 1996 when Peter Canavan got awful treatment on the field.

Yea I knew Tyrone had them but was not sure when.
They were just at the beginning of their rise to prominence in 1995 though, they only really became high profile after they started winning All Irelands under Harte

It was 1995 by the way not 1996.