Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

naughto

Roscoffno7 wrote: »

naughto,when did Mayo play Ross last year?...big gaa fan are ya?

iam glad you took the time to create an account on boards just to post that
it was a typo.i will edit the post

Always_Running

keane2097 wrote: »

^^^ Shine isn't even Roscommon's second best forward.

Agree that Feeney has been good at half-forward. You don't need six guys to kick points from nowhere and he has a lot of good attributes. Not that he's incapable of taking decent scores either.

Though he's Roscommon's top scoring forward. Coen,Keane was to start the last day don't be suprised if Andy Moran starts instead of Feeney.

keane2097

Always_Running wrote: »

Though he's Roscommon's top scoring forward. Coen,Keane was to start the last day don't be suprised if Andy Moran starts instead of Feeney.

He takes their frees, it's hardly surprising.

Mayo fans going on about Roscommon fans being cocky is a good laugh!

Always_Running

keane2097 wrote: »

He takes their frees, it's hardly surprising.

Shouldn't underestimate the importance of a good free taker, Mayo know this with O'Connor. Someone has to take frees on Sunday and i can't see any Roscommon forward scoring 6 to 9 points like Shine is capable of doing.

InchicoreDude

GBXI wrote: »

When he is on-form (which isn't that often) Shine is a lovely free-taker, but that's it.

Hmm, Shine might not be a great as everyone thinks but to say he is nothing beter than a "lovely free-taker" is wrong. There is not one inter county footballer in the country who makes their county team by being a "lovely free-taker".

keane2097

Always_Running wrote: »

Shouldn't underestimate the importance of a good free taker, Mayo know this with O'Connor. Someone has to take frees on Sunday and i can't see any Roscommon forward scoring 6 to 9 points like Shine is capable of doing.

True enough but it's just to point out that having the highest scoring average doesn't make him their best forward. Cathal Cregg has a pretty bad scoring average but is a better and more important player IMO.

GBXI

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Hmm, Shine might not be a great as everyone thinks but to say he is nothing beter than a "lovely free-taker" is wrong. There is not one inter county footballer in the country who makes their county team by being a "lovely free-taker".

Fair enough, but my point is that he is a very good free-taker when on form, but is often inconsistent. I disagree, free-takers are worth their weight in gold and you can have very average players from play who always start because they do the biz from frees.

My overall point though is that Senan Kilbride (especially) and Cathal Cregg don't get anywhere near the coverage/hype that Shine gets even-though they are arguably more important to the team.

Always_Running

keane2097 wrote: »

True enough but it's just to point out that having the highest scoring average doesn't make him their best forward. Cathal Cregg has a pretty bad scoring average but is a better and more important player IMO.

My original point was Roscommon will be without top scoring forward. Senan Kilbride is better footballer than Shine however even Frankie Dolan can score more than him for St Brigids. As pointed out elsewhere Cregg plays the same role as McLoughlin it's guys like them that create chances but they still need a forward with a high scoring average to convert them.

ColeTrain

Barlett wrote: »

On the contrary I think he is very impressive as a half-forward, without a doubt he should have started the All-Ireland final there last year, he's quite accurate kicking from distance and has the necessary strength required for the position. Well deserving of his place.

he will do a job for us Sunday. I just think he's more effective coming on from the bench and that's not a slight on him. The modern game is not about the starting 15, you need a few lads that can come on and ensure you finish strongly. Feeney has a proven record of making a solid contribution when brought on..

pdiddy

After reading the last few pages on this thread and the Roscommon thread all the talk is about how good or bad Donie Shine is, I for one would prefer playing Roscommon without him in the team.

As for Sunday i think mayo will win it but anything can happen on the day if Roscommon make a great start and pop over a few early scores i think it cud be a very close game. on the other hand if mayo start like they did against Galway and get an early goal i think it could well be over at half time.

Don't think Andy will start as cant see him being match fit yet and would definitely prefer him coming on for the last 20 mins, Feeney is a very solid half forward he would probably prefer to be half back but cant see him getting a game in there with Boyle and Keegan.

Either way im looking forward to sunday hoping the weather holds out definitely couldn't be as rotten as 2011.

InchicoreDude

GBXI wrote: »

Fair enough, but my point is that he is a very good free-taker when on form, but is often inconsistent. I disagree, free-takers are worth their weight in gold and you can have very average players from play who always start because they do the biz from frees.

My overall point though is that Senan Kilbride (especially) and Cathal Cregg don't get anywhere near the coverage/hype that Shine gets even-though they are arguably more important to the team.

I disagree. I cannot think of one inter-county player who can get a place on the team with solely free-taking ability. They need to offer something from play too. But I agree a good free-taker is worth a lot.

rossie1977

GBXI wrote: »

Fair enough, but my point is that he is a very good free-taker when on form, but is often inconsistent.

when shine is on form he is far and away roscommons best forward both from play and frees, the guy has scored 19 points in his two connacht final appearances, 2-85 in 16 championship games for someone like roscommon is some going, kilbride is a good club player but simply hasn't produced that club form at championship level on a consistent basis and cregg will run all day but has no killer instinct

those are lovely scores

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CICINzjDQU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sO1DBf0R4M

thats kerrys tommy walsh who he fools there with the turn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro_YVxjAbl4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZymVmXbcSD4

naughto

get out of that rossie.this is how you take a free

keane2097

Some of you might be interested in this article about the folly of hoping for a close game:

http://www.livegaelic.com/features/sporting-socialism-the-nonsense-of-hoping-for-a-close-game/

The line of reasoning goes that a team that considers itself real All Ireland contenders should make no qualms about believing in it's ability to put weaker teams to the sword, arguing that inventing tests where there are none won't do Mayo (or Roscommon for that matter) any good.

Cosmo Kramer

It's a good article. However I believe it is important to be respectful to any opponent in the run up to a game. So even if there is a view that theres a gap, theres no need to rub anyone's nose in it until it's proven out on the field. Plenty of time to gloat, eat humble pie or assess the state of Connacht football afterwards. For that reason I don't think Liam McHales comments published today are particularly helpful. If mayo do end up cruising connacht this year it will be the first time in a long time any team has done that. If it happens then the fallout can be looked at at that point.

Always_Running

keane2097 wrote: »

Some of you might be interested in this article about the folly of hoping for a close game:

http://www.livegaelic.com/features/sporting-socialism-the-nonsense-of-hoping-for-a-close-game/

The line of reasoning goes that a team that considers itself real All Ireland contenders should make no qualms about believing in it's ability to put weaker teams to the sword, arguing that inventing tests where there are none won't do Mayo (or Roscommon for that matter) any good.

I enjoy reading livegaelic articles but tbh that one is well off the mark. I don't see the logic in having to hammer a lesser team to prove yourself as All Ireland contender. Every game is different the weather could be poor or the ref and i could give many examples of All Ireland winners having to come through tough games against lesser teams sometimes it's those games that makes a team.

I agree with the last post it is important to be respectful to any opponent in the run up to a game talking someone down will only fire them up or maybe thats what the guy that wrote that article wants?

manofwisdom

Always_Running wrote: »

I enjoy reading livegaelic articles but tbh that one is well off the mark. I don't see the logic in having to hammer a lesser team to prove yourself as All Ireland contender. Every game is different the weather could be poor or the ref and i could give many examples of All Ireland winners having to come through tough games against lesser teams sometimes it's those games that makes a team.

I agree with the last post it is important to be respectful to any opponent in the run up to a game talking someone down will only fire them up or maybe thats what the guy that wrote that article wants?

I think you are onto something. I think he has pulled a Brolly in a hope to spark a debate. The man that wrote that article has said on twitter

"Hopefully plenty disagree and we can get a bit of a debate going"

Fr Tod Umptious

keane2097 wrote: »

Some of you might be interested in this article about the folly of hoping for a close game:

http://www.livegaelic.com/features/sporting-socialism-the-nonsense-of-hoping-for-a-close-game/

The line of reasoning goes that a team that considers itself real All Ireland contenders should make no qualms about believing in it's ability to put weaker teams to the sword, arguing that inventing tests where there are none won't do Mayo (or Roscommon for that matter) any good.

I think the writer is spot on.

Why, after Mayo hammering Galway away do people suddenly expect a mid table Div 3 to be a bigger challenge, in Castlebar.
As has been said it's trying to invent competition that does not exist.

Is it because the last time they meet, back in Horan's first season, in Hyde, in the rain, with Fergal o'Donnell in charge of Ross, that is was actually close ?

That counts for nothing in 2013, it's ancient history.

I picked Mayo to win by 20 in the pool thread, I'd be surprised if it was less than 15.

And I don't mean to disrespect Ross either, but the reality is they are a mid table Div 3 team going away to a realistic All ireland contender.

naughto

what time are the tickets on sale in the sportlann tomorrow??

blowitupref

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I think the writer is spot on.

Why, after Mayo hammering Galway away do people suddenly expect a mid table Div 3 to be a bigger challenge, in Castlebar.
As has been said it's trying to invent competition that does not exist.

Is it because the last time they meet, back in Horan's first season, in Hyde, in the rain, with Fergal o'Donnell in charge of Ross, that is was actually close ?

That counts for nothing in 2013, it's ancient history.

I picked Mayo to win by 20 in the pool thread, I'd be surprised if it was less than 15.

And I don't mean to disrespect Ross either, but the reality is they are a mid table Div 3 team going away to a realistic All ireland contender.

Well Roscommon were playing out of Div 4 in 2011 this year they were one point off promotion to div 2. The two that gained promotion (Monaghan,Meath) will probably reach the Leinster,Ulster finals.

Last summer like now Mayo were defending Connacht champions Sligo who were a mid table div 3 team managed to get within two points and no rain that day were you surprised how close they got?

I decided to go with a 9 point Mayo win on pools thread because without Ian Kilbride,Peter Domican,Donal Ward and Donie Shine i can't see them getting closer.

padd b1975

blowitupref wrote: »

I decided to go with a 9 point Mayo win on pools thread because without Ian Kilbride,Peter Domican,Donal Ward and Donie Shine i can't see them getting closer.

Sounds about right, I feel the intensity of the Mayo defending may come as a shock to the Roscommon system.

Fr Tod Umptious

blowitupref wrote: »

Well Roscommon were playing out of Div 4 in 2011 this year they were one point off promotion to div 2. The two that gained promotion (Monaghan,Meath) will probably reach the Leinster,Ulster finals.

Last summer like now Mayo were defending Connacht champions Sligo who were a mid table div 3 team managed to get within two points and no rain that day were you surprised how close they got?

I decided to go with a 9 point Mayo win on pools thread because without Ian Kilbride,Peter Domican,Donal Ward and Donie Shine i can't see them getting closer.

Monaghan and Meath will get to their finals because they are on the 'easier' side of the draws, not because they are as competitive as Dublin, Kildare, Donegal or Tyrone, just like a Div 4 team is going to get to the Connaught final.

You are doing just as the writer says, finding things to suggest that there is some sort of a test here for Mayo whne in fact there is not.

Audioslaven

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Monaghan and Meath will get to their finals because they are on the 'easier' side of the draws, not because they are as competitive as Dublin, Kildare, Donegal or Tyrone, just like a Div 4 team is going to get to the Connaught final.

You are doing just as the writer says, finding things to suggest that there is some sort of a test here for Mayo whne in fact there is not.

Every game is a test. I am glad you are not managing a team because they would lose. You approach a game in the same manner if it was any team. This is the best approach. You are the type of poster every manager hates because you blow everything up and make out mayo are a super team with no flaws. Mayo played a very poor Galway team who were not at the races. I think Mayo lack a little bit of quality up front and I feel this is where their flaw is. Are they good enough to win tomorrow, yes i think so, but you need to turn up and play with the same passion and intensity otherwise they lose tomorrow.

I have been following mayo for many years and this kind of rubbish does my head in. Every team has to be taken serious otherwise guys take the foot of the pedal and lose.

blowitupref

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Monaghan and Meath will get to their finals because they are on the 'easier' side of the draws, not because they are as competitive as Dublin, Kildare, Donegal or Tyrone, just like a Div 4 team is going to get to the Connaught final.

You are doing just as the writer says, finding things to suggest that there is some sort of a test here for Mayo whne in fact there is not.

Are you going to ignore my question in the above post?

One final example. Meath were relegated to div 3 last year but still managed to beat Kildare and got within a few points of Dublin in the leinster final.

keane2097

Personally I agree with the point being made in the article. Mayo have needed an attitude adjustment for a long time, badly need to stop looking at themselves relative to teams like Sligo or Roscommon. For Kerry, a match against Tipperary wouldn't even be talked about, it's assumed it's a comfortable win and you look down the road to the actual tests. For a team with real All Ireland aspirations a game like this should barely even register. If this ends up being a test it's a bad sign.

Fr Tod Umptious

Audioslaven wrote: »

Every game is a test. I am glad you are not managing a team because they would lose. You approach a game in the same manner if it was any team. This is the best approach. You are the type of poster every manager hates because you blow everything up and make out mayo are a super team with no flaws. Mayo played a very poor Galway team who were not at the races. I think Mayo lack a little bit of quality up front and I feel this is where their flaw is. Are they good enough to win tomorrow, yes i think so, but you need to turn up and play with the same passion and intensity otherwise they lose tomorrow.

I have been following mayo for many years and this kind of rubbish does my head in. Every team has to be taken serious otherwise guys take the foot of the pedal and lose.

Ah give me a break
Do you think that Kerry approach Waterford or Tipp the same was as they do Cork ?

Do Dublin approach a game v Carlow the same way as they do a game v Kildare or Meath?

As for the Galway game hindsight is a great thing, quiet a few here picked them to beat Mayo, not to mention a good number of national media pundits also.
Mayo hammered Galway cos Mayo are a very good team.

When have I suggested that Mayo have no flaws ?, read some of my posts here you will see where I have pointed out flaws in Mayo.
Last year I predicted this team would get to an All Ireland final, and I think they will do so again this year and hopefully win
That is not wishful thinking or arrogance, that is a a realistic assement of a top team in the country

Fr Tod Umptious

blowitupref wrote: »

Are you going to ignore my question in the above post?

One final example. Meath were relegated to div 3 last year but still managed to beat Kildare and got within a few points of Dublin in the leinster final.

That's cos Kildare are possibly one of the most over hyped teams in the land.

As for Mayo struggling v Sligo last year, that's correct, but they are a better team in 2013. They played quiet well v Sligo to be honest but struggled to break down their massed defence, especially in the first half, when I watched the game on TV I was far more impressed wit them that I was at the game itself.

manofwisdom

keane2097 wrote: »

Personally I agree with the point being made in the article. Mayo have needed an attitude adjustment for a long time, badly need to stop looking at themselves relative to teams like Sligo or Roscommon. For Kerry, a match against Tipperary wouldn't even be talked about, it's assumed it's a comfortable win and you look down the road to the actual tests. For a team with real All Ireland aspirations a game like this should barely even register. If this ends up being a test it's a bad sign.

Of course you are going to agree you are the editor of the livegaelic website. In 2009 your own county had many "bad signs" against Longford,Sligo,Antrim before winning the All Ireland.

keane2097

manofwisdom wrote: »

Of course you are going to agree you are the editor of the livegaelic website. In 2009 your own county had many "bad signs" against Longford,Sligo,Antrim before winning the All Ireland.

There are plenty of articles I disagree with on the site, don't try to blow off my opinion like that.

Of course it's possible to struggle over some games that ought to be easy and work out the kinks by the end of the year, but there's no similarities between a Kerry team that was in disarray early in 2009 and this Mayo side that have their whole setup primed and ready for a real crack at September. Kerry's struggles in the qualifiers in 09 was a team that didn't have a real idea what their system needed to be and figured it out over a couple of games, Mayo are a team that know what their plan is from A to Z - struggling against a D3 team isn't going to teach them anything about themselves.

Blackjack

I think the attitude that we need to have close games against Ross etc comes from prior years when such close games meant we've flown under the radar. Last year being a cae in point and perhaps 2006 being another when we weren't expected to beat the dubs on either occasion. That's just one of the opposition teams but Down were expected to put up a little more than they did given we only beat Sligo by 2.

I agree with the thrust of the argument though, we shouldn't be hoping for close games and we also shouldn't be a team that people are hoping to draw either in qualifiers or quarters as has been the case in the past. We either blow the opposition away and put the absolute ****s up the teams we are due to meet in the following gamesor we struggle past them and get written off before the next games are played.

Personally I'd prefer the annihilation of the opposition with perhaps an opportunity to tweak any weaknesses as we go along.

At the same time, we just need to win, whatever the margin and I do believe that Roscommon will be keen to bloody our noses regardless of the outcome of the game tomorrow.

blowitupref

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

That's cos Kildare are possibly one of the most over hyped teams in the land.

As for Mayo struggling v Sligo last year, that's correct, but they are a better team in 2013. They played quiet well v Sligo to be honest but struggled to break down their massed defence, especially in the first half, when I watched the game on TV I was far more impressed wit them that I was at the game itself.

They are hyped no doubt as are few others however in the above post you were implying Meath aren't good enough to be competitive with Kildare.

I take that reply as yes. Proving that lesser teams (div 3 v div 1) can sometimes be competitive. I'm not sure has Mayo improved from last year granted they looked very good against Galway though this this year alone they have lost to Tyrone,Kildare at home Down away and well beaten by Dublin twice. I guess we won't find out for sure until August.

manofwisdom

keane2097 wrote: »

There are plenty of articles I disagree with on the site, don't try to blow off my opinion like that.

Of course it's possible to struggle over some games that ought to be easy and work out the kinks by the end of the year, but there's no similarities between a Kerry team that was in disarray early in 2009 and this Mayo side that have their whole setup primed and ready for a real crack at September. Kerry's struggles in the qualifiers in 09 was a team that didn't have a real idea what their system needed to be and figured it out over a couple of games, Mayo are a team that know what their plan is from A to Z - struggling against a D3 team isn't going to teach them anything about themselves.

I could give many more examples than just Kerry. Mayo were also well primed this time last year, they hammered Leitrim out the gate remember. I'm bit surprised someone like yourself with a good knowledge of game would be agreeing with article like that.

The fact is if Mayo win by 1 or 20 points tomorrow it's not going to matter to their overall chances this summer if anything a narrow win might get rid of some of the unwanted hype.

dave92

Will it be possible to buy tickets at the ground tomorrow?

naughto

dave92 wrote: »

Will it be possible to buy tickets at the ground tomorrow?

yes it will,there is usually a van out site the ground selling them.in saying that they where all sold out in supervalue today.

Fr Tod Umptious

Blackjack wrote: »

I think the attitude that we need to have close games against Ross etc comes from prior years when such close games meant we've flown under the radar. Last year being a cae in point and perhaps 2006 being another when we weren't expected to beat the dubs on either occasion. That's just one of the opposition teams but Down were expected to put up a little more than they did given we only beat Sligo by 2.

I agree with the thrust of the argument though, we shouldn't be hoping for close games and we also shouldn't be a team that people are hoping to draw either in qualifiers or quarters as has been the case in the past. We either blow the opposition away and put the absolute ****s up the teams we are due to meet in the following gamesor we struggle past them and get written off before the next games are played.

Personally I'd prefer the annihilation of the opposition with perhaps an opportunity to tweak any weaknesses as we go along.

At the same time, we just need to win, whatever the margin and I do believe that Roscommon will be keen to bloody our noses regardless of the outcome of the game tomorrow.

Problem with being a Mayo fan is that if you express confidence you are more than likely going to be accused of hype, and if you express pessimism you are told it's part of Mayo's nature thus no Mayo team will ever win because of a negative attitude.

Syferus

Quick correction - Wardie isn't unavailable or injured, he just didn't make the first 15. You'll see him in the second half in all likelihood.

Blackjack

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Problem with being a Mayo fan is that if you express confidence you are more than likely going to be accused of hype, and if you express pessimism you are told it's part of Mayo's nature thus no Mayo team will ever win because of a negative attitude.

QFT

Always_Running

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Problem with being a Mayo fan is that if you express confidence you are more than likely going to be accused of hype, and if you express pessimism you are told it's part of Mayo's nature thus no Mayo team will ever win because of a negative attitude.

That may be true however it's more than just the confidence of winning you are confidence Mayo will win this game by 20 points even though the main free taker O'Connor is out injured Barry Moran,Conroy,Doherty are still not fit to start and Dillion Andy Moran are just back from injuries.

Audioslaven

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Ah give me a break
Do you think that Kerry approach Waterford or Tipp the same was as they do Cork ?

Do Dublin approach a game v Carlow the same way as they do a game v Kildare or Meath?

As for the Galway game hindsight is a great thing, quiet a few here picked them to beat Mayo, not to mention a good number of national media pundits also.
Mayo hammered Galway cos Mayo are a very good team.

When have I suggested that Mayo have no flaws ?, read some of my posts here you will see where I have pointed out flaws in Mayo.
Last year I predicted this team would get to an All Ireland final, and I think they will do so again this year and hopefully win
That is not wishful thinking or arrogance, that is a a realistic assement of a top team in the country

I am on about your comments that Roscommon will provide no test is the crap that I am on about. Roscommon are a notch above the teams you suggest so I would say Roscommon have more football ability that Carlow, Waterford and Tipp. Roscommon are club champions. I would also think Kerry or Dublin would approach these teams in a proper manner and would not disregard them as providing no test at all. The level of the test they provide is another thing but disregarding them is just over hyping crap.

Your over hyped comments put down as confidence is a joke. Confidence is saying, I think Mayo have the players and based on this will do the business or if we play to a certain intensity but your over hyping and disrespect to a team saying a team will provide no test is bollox.

Next thing you will be saying "let get our over hyped corner forward back... good oul Micheal Jackson". I would say he was right up you street.

MaroonAndGreen

Audioslaven wrote: »

I am on about your comments that Roscommon will provide no test is the crap that I am on about. Roscommon are a notch above the teams you suggest so I would say Roscommon have more football ability that Carlow, Waterford and Tipp. Roscommon are club champions. I would also think Kerry or Dublin would approach these teams in a proper manner and would not disregard them as providing no test at all. The level of the test they provide is another thing but disregarding them is just over hyping crap.

Your over hyped comments put down as confidence is a joke. Confidence is saying, I think Mayo have the players and based on this will do the business or if we play to a certain intensity but your over hyping and disrespect to a team saying a team will provide no test is bollox.

Next thing you will be saying "let get our over hyped corner forward back... good oul Micheal Jackson". I would say he was right up you street.

In all fairness, he was better than any corner forward Roscommon have had for years

Robxxx7

yop wrote: »

Death announced of Mick Mulderrig a member of the 1951 team.
The man was on thescore.ie last year saying the curse was a load of crap

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/curse-of-51-no-such-thing-says-star-of-mayos-last-all-ireland-success-600951-Sep2012/

RIP

He was my wife's uncle ..went to the funeral last week and the last thing he did was watch a game before he passed away .... and yes he did believe the curse was crap

RIP Mickey

InchicoreDude

Do you think that Kerry approach Waterford or Tipp the same was as they do Cork ?

Do Dublin approach a game v Carlow the same way as they do a game v Kildare or Meath?

I think they do approach these games in the same way. If they do not, then they are in for a shock. Perhaps Tipp didnt approach the Limerick match in the hurling championship last week in the same way as they would approach a match against Kilkenny, and look at what happened to them.

As for the Galway game hindsight is a great thing, quiet a few here picked them to beat Mayo, not to mention a good number of national media pundits also.
Mayo hammered Galway cos Mayo are a very good team.

Well you are 1/2 right. Mayo are a very good team. But Galway are also a very bad team. If you read through the Galway GAA discussion thread in the lead up to the Mayo game, Galway fans were really not hopeful. The best they were hoping for was Galway to make a game of it. And that did not happen. Mayo hammered Galway because Mayo are a very good team while Galway are a very bad team.

Mayo should be winning today. They have more quality than Roscommon in most positions. But to imply it would be a failure if they dont do by a big margin is just plain silly. I think you may be under-estimating just how difficult it is to play against any inter-county team. Roscommon have some good players that should ensure Mayo will not win by 20 points. As we havent seen Roscommon in championship yet this year, it remains to be seen how good / bad they are. If I was a Mayo fan, I would be happy with ANY win today. If Galway were playing Roscommon today, I doubt any Galway fan would be claiming "Galway are only AI contenders if they beat Ros by 20 points".....

Audioslaven

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

In all fairness, he was better than any corner forward Roscommon have had for years

Well Roscommon have not been laying any markers for the last few years so its hard to know how good any of their forward s would have been if they had made croke park. I would take shine over him as i think the support play would bring out the best in him. Jackson was the big man for the small day and the small man for the big day. Found out when the pressure was on. Its great now to see no show boating and guys ready to rock for the team. There was only one team in jackson and that was himself

seligehgit

InchicoreDude wrote: »

I think they do approach these games in the same way. If they do not, then they are in for a shock. Perhaps Tipp didnt approach the Limerick match in the hurling championship last week in the same way as they would approach a match against Kilkenny, and look at what happened to them.




Well you are 1/2 right. Mayo are a very good team. But Galway are also a very bad team. If you read through the Galway GAA discussion thread in the lead up to the Mayo game, Galway fans were really not hopeful. The best they were hoping for was Galway to make a game of it. And that did not happen. Mayo hammered Galway because Mayo are a very good team while Galway are a very bad team.

Mayo should be winning today. They have more quality than Roscommon in most positions. But to imply it would be a failure if they dont do by a big margin is just plain silly. I think you may be under-estimating just how difficult it is to play against any inter-county team. Roscommon have some good players that should ensure Mayo will not win by 20 points. As we havent seen Roscommon in championship yet this year, it remains to be seen how good / bad they are. If I was a Mayo fan, I would be happy with ANY win today. If Galway were playing Roscommon today, I doubt any Galway fan would be claiming "Galway are only AI contenders if they beat Ros by 20 points".....

I could'nt agree more Inchicore Dude.Mayo need to take each game on it's merits,respect same opponents.People are getting carried away,I was at most of the league games this year and I have'nt seen any discernable improvement in Mayo's performance this year.
Same issues require addressing,grave worries re young Vaughan holding the centre,an excellent midfield pairing in Barry Moran(if fit and selected) and Aidan O Shea but not very mobile.The biggest issue is the concerns re the ability of our forwards to kick long distance points,beat a man and increase our goals output.Hopefully Andy Moran's return can help address these areas.Eoin Liston had an excellent article in yesterday's Independent outlining these issues.
Whatever about the pre match hype that Galway could beat us after their under 21 win and our injuries,there is no getting away from the fact that that was one of the poorest Galway teams I have seen playing,no disrespect intended.
There is no getting away from the fact that most of the bookmakers consider us only fifth most likely team to lift Sam,hope I am very wrong.

Fr Tod Umptious

InchicoreDude wrote: »

I think they do approach these games in the same way. If they do not, then they are in for a shock. Perhaps Tipp didnt approach the Limerick match in the hurling championship last week in the same way as they would approach a match against Kilkenny, and look at what happened to them.




Well you are 1/2 right. Mayo are a very good team. But Galway are also a very bad team. If you read through the Galway GAA discussion thread in the lead up to the Mayo game, Galway fans were really not hopeful. The best they were hoping for was Galway to make a game of it. And that did not happen. Mayo hammered Galway because Mayo are a very good team while Galway are a very bad team.

Mayo should be winning today. They have more quality than Roscommon in most positions. But to imply it would be a failure if they dont do by a big margin is just plain silly. I think you may be under-estimating just how difficult it is to play against any inter-county team. Roscommon have some good players that should ensure Mayo will not win by 20 points. As we havent seen Roscommon in championship yet this year, it remains to be seen how good / bad they are. If I was a Mayo fan, I would be happy with ANY win today. If Galway were playing Roscommon today, I doubt any Galway fan would be claiming "Galway are only AI contenders if they beat Ros by 20 points".....

I am not suggesting that big teams do not prepare for games against smaller teams, it's just that they prepare differently, with the knowledge that they are far better teams, but that does not mean that they disrespect the other team or do not put in the work for the game and during the game.

And I did not suggest that failing to beat Ross by a certain amount of points would be failure, I said that I expected Mayo to win by a certain amount
Regadless of the margin there will still be work to be done for the next game.

And I am not suggesting that Mayo are AI contenders based on the Galway game, I am basing it on their performances and development over the past 2 years. I am picking them as AI contenders for the second year in a row,

Excuse me for having confidence but that's the type of person I am.

keane2097

That went about as expected.

ultrapercy

How many entertaining or even watchable games are there in the Championship?
What a load of ****e that took up enough TV time today to show a whole season of repeat FR Teds.

Fowler87

And they say the league status is worthless... Need to improve for Croker but typical efficient performance from this Mayo side. Well played (other than last 15) some great point taking. Some panel of players

scatman carruthers

What else was expected its the same as the rugby world cup a load of ****e until the quarter finals come. The qualifiers throws up 1 or 2 decent games but the GAA Champ is a non event anymore until the qF's

washman3

Its only Mayo's All-Ireland to lose now..:P