Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

Sir Humphrey Appleby

lukesmom wrote: »

Woohoo minor cup won. Sam on the way Maigheo abu!

Perhaps you might want to edit the bolded part:p

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Having lost that final, I can't see us winning for several years.

keeponhurling

Ye did win the minor, so the day wasn't a complete disaster.

Daisy M

Gutted but regardless of that we have decided to buy the season pass for the whole family from now on. We had such fun going to some matches, our kids are older and this was a great way to do something together that everyone enjoyed.

When mayo finally do win it will be all the sweeter and it will be an honour to play a small part in watching it happen.

seligehgit

Gutted for the players, they could not have given it anymore.

lukesmom

Absolutely gutted mayo didn't get Sam but well done Dublin you deserved that win

blowitupref

blowitupref wrote: »

The way Tyrone came through the Kerry,Roscommon games (should have lost both) you would nearly say their name is on the cup but i think this is the best Mayo minor side i have seen in a number of years and their free scoring forwards should secure a comfortable win.

Turned out as i expected. Lads i know you will be disappointed with the seniors but it not everyday you win a minor All Ireland so get out on Monday evening and welcome home these young All Ireland winners.

DARK-KNIGHT

Hard luck lads I'm gutted for ye.

The futures bright minors winning was a good sign for ye

SomethingElse

Tactically, that was a shambles. We all knew before the game that Dublin would try and bypass midfield by taking the kick-outs short. What exactly did James Horan and his coaches work on for the last month? Did Mayo win even one ball from the Dublin kick-outs? No team stands a chance against wave upon wave of clean ball to kick start the Dublin attacks.

realweirdo

SomethingElse wrote: »

Tactically, that was a shambles. We all knew before the game that Dublin would try and bypass midfield by taking the kick-outs short. What exactly did James Horan and his coaches work on for the last month? Did Mayo win even one ball from the Dublin kick-outs? No team stands a chance against wave upon wave of clean ball to kick start the Dublin attacks.

Fully agree. One of a number of basic tactical errors. Another was not replacing Freeman with a like for like target man, or at least Barry Moran. I just don't think Horan is cut out for really big games like this, a bit like one or two previous managers, clueless in AI finals where it really matters. I'd like to see Kevin McStay given a chance at the job. We have the players and young ones coming up but we are tactically naive on AI final days.

Syferus

realweirdo wrote: »

Fully agree. One of a number of basic tactical errors. Another was not replacing Freeman with a like for like target man, or at least Barry Moran. I just don't think Horan is cut out for really big games like this, a bit like one or two previous managers, clueless in AI finals where it really matters. I'd like to see Kevin McStay given a chance at the job. We have the players and young ones coming up but we are tactically naive on AI final days.

Ah FFS, when did you crawl out from the wood-work?

realweirdo

Syferus wrote: »

Ah FFS, when did you crawl out from the wood-work?

I've been going to Mayo games for 30 years...how long have you been going?

Most Mayo fans don't even post on here but are no less entitled to express a view.

padd b1975

What's another year.....

Those guys owe us nothing and can hold their heads high.

Beaten by a better team and worthy champions, congratulations Dublin.

So we look forward to 2014 and what that may bring, quarter final should be obtained with minimum fuss (due an easier provincial draw), nobody to fear in the AI quarters stage which brings on a semi final against Munster winners....kerry a year older or Cork in transition?

Factor in 100% fit Dillon, Andy and Cillian and I see no reason why we can't be back again in 12 months and do what we do best.....dethrone the reigning champions!!

Heads up people!!!

Mayo Abu!!

Fowler87

Just keep believing lads. We had another good year

seligehgit

Excellent post, well said.

Amprodude

padd b1975 wrote: »

What's another year.....

Those guys owe us nothing and can hold their heads high.

Beaten by a better team and worthy champions, congratulations Dublin.

So we look forward to 2014 and what that may bring, quarter final should be obtained with minimum fuss (due an easier provincial draw), nobody to fear in the AI quarters stage which brings on a semi final against Munster winners....kerry a year older or Cork in transition?

Factor in 100% fit Dillon, Andy and Cillian and I see no reason why we can't be back again in 12 months and do what we do best.....dethrone the reigning champions!!

Heads up people!!!

Mayo Abu!!

I hate saying it but this Mayo team are finished. New approach needed. They wont be around to contest All Ireland next year. This was their year and they didnt deliver. How many chances do they need?

Stoner

padd b1975 wrote: »

What's another year.....

Those guys owe us nothing and can hold their heads high.

Beaten by a better team and worthy champions, congratulations Dublin.

So we look forward to 2014 and what that may bring, quarter final should be obtained with minimum fuss (due an easier provincial draw), nobody to fear in the AI quarters stage which brings on a semi final against Munster winners....kerry a year older or Cork in transition?

Factor in 100% fit Dillon, Andy and Cillian and I see no reason why we can't be back again in 12 months and do what we do best.....dethrone the reigning champions!!

Heads up people!!!

Mayo Abu!!

Great stuff. It wasn't a great game, but bar the Mayo backs being so good everything else turned on its head.

I full expect this mayo team to win All Ireland titles.

Great talking to you guys during the year, even Yop.
Hopefully everyone takes the league seriously again and we'll be back to business soon.

blueser

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Having lost that final, I can't see us winning for several years.

It seems that we're destined not to win the thing. That's the best Mayo side we've had for donkey's years and still we choke at the last step. Very, VERY disappointing.

YouTookMyName

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That one really really fúckin hurt. Sweet jaysus it'll never happen now.

Amprodude

YouTookMyName wrote: »

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That one really really fúckin hurt. Sweet jaysus it'll never happen now.

That pattern is telling me that Mayo will be back in the year 2020.

Syferus

realweirdo wrote: »

I've been going to Mayo games for 30 years...how long have you been going?

Most Mayo fans don't even post on here but are no less entitled to express a view.

It has very little to do with when your mother birthed you and plenty to do with the idiocy of calling for James Horan's head.

padd b1975 wrote: »

What's another year.....

Those guys owe us nothing and can hold their heads high.

Beaten by a better team and worthy champions, congratulations Dublin.

So we look forward to 2014 and what that may bring, quarter final should be obtained with minimum fuss (due an easier provincial draw), nobody to fear in the AI quarters stage which brings on a semi final against Munster winners....kerry a year older or Cork in transition?

Factor in 100% fit Dillon, Andy and Cillian and I see no reason why we can't be back again in 12 months and do what we do best.....dethrone the reigning champions!!

Heads up people!!!

Mayo Abu!!

Mayo will likely be waiting quite some time to see as perfect a storm of form, momentum and the life-cycle of a management team again.

Make no mistake, this was the best chance since '96 and hence one of two genuine opportunities to win an AI since 1951.

Very few teams make the AI final after two losing appearances. Cork '89 is the only semi-recent one that springs to mind and it's pretty clear achieving that feat is even harder given the professional level of commitment required to be an AI contender.

Mayo won't fall off the face of the map but they would be fools to be looking beyond the Connacht championship next year. A loss in Connacht and the Horan project will be at its end. Every year brings new teams, just as 2011 brought us Horan's Mayo. No one stays at the top consistently.

realweirdo

Syferus wrote: »

It has very little to do with when your mother birthed you and plenty to do with the idiocy of calling for James Horan's head.

There is absolutely no idiocy about it to be honest. He's tactically hopeless when the chips are down as was Maughan. I like the guy, he's done a lot for Mayo, but everyone reaches their level and I don't see an All-Ireland in Horan.

Sometimes you have to face the truth and stop dressing things up. Tactically things were shocking today. And there are some players on that side who are not AI final material and never will be.

This is exactly why Mayo lose these finals, too many people unwilling to face facts, call a spade a spade, point out the negatives and so on.

That's my view anyways, I won't harp on about it. Others have a different view and think Horan should stay and I respect that. Personally I just think he's naive on AI final days. It would be the same next year if Mayo got that far. A waste of time for all concerned.

NewBeefFarmer

1, while aos was playing in midfield, what the hell did mgt instruct him to do. He was clearly under orders and didn't get to play his game at all.

2, Robbie henn and SOS what a game. .

3, after 20 mins when aos had no ball I said bring on Barry Moran, they did at 58mins but took off the best player sos,.

4. I agree above, Mayo had the team to when today, hell it was a 1 point loss. But tactically horan screwed up and was almost afraid to make a change.

5. Forwards didn't do to good, a lot of wides. Dillion, I still don't see what the hype is all about, Andy Moran looked tired and weighty.

Syferus

NewBeefFarmer wrote: »

1, while aos was playing in midfield, what the hell did mgt instruct him to do. He was clearly under orders and didn't get to play his game at all.

2, Robbie henn and SOS what a game. .

3, after 20 mins when aos had no ball I said bring on Barry Moran, they did at 58mins but took off the best player sos,.

4. I agree above, Mayo had the team to when today, hell it was a 1 point loss. But tactically horan screwed up and was almost afraid to make a change.

5. Forwards didn't do to good, a lot of wides. Dillion, I still don't see what the hype is all about, Andy Moran looked tired and weighty.

If he scores 1-02 from play in an AI final looking 'tired and weighty' I'm afraid for backs if he ever bothers to get on a thread-mill :rolleyes:

NewBeefFarmer

Rte are a disgrace at analyising a game, do they not have any stats at all? Uck sake..


How many dropped shorts had Mayo today?

Hell kick it wide, but don't drop it short. . . . 1 point lads, just 1. .

Someone explain why freeman was taken off which seemed to be like 20 mins in. . . how could horan make that decision yet leave as on the pitch for 74 mins ?

Still think aos was given a particular job and didn't work or look like working all day, . . b Moran by the way didn't make any impact for his 14 mins.

SomethingElse

Why wasn't Kevin McLoughlin hooked? Unfortunately he was nowhere near his 2011 form, particularly in recent games. Richie Feeney was in reserve.

Seans_Username

I deliberately avoided posting in this thread for the last 4 weeks and paid little attention to it.
To come back and see people calling for horan's head and saying this team are finished... Jesus wept.

The current squad have an average age of 26 if I'm not mistaken.
No care to mention how Dublin's squad had more depth? Or how they stopped mayo playing by consistently fouling them? (at one stage the foul count was 21-8)

Fair enough the minors are getting the credit they deserve on here. It's been great following them this year and I'm absolutely delighted for them. They were worthy champions.

Rightwing

YouTookMyName wrote: »

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That one really really fúckin hurt. Sweet jaysus it'll never happen now.

The Antrim hurlers have a bad record in Croke Park too, losing lots of semi finals. Mayo's day will come. That minor team look the real deal, the seniors lack a top class forward.

overshoot

realweirdo wrote: »

Sometimes you have to face the truth and stop dressing things up. Tactically things were shocking today. And there are some players on that side who are not AI final material and never will be.

This is exactly why Mayo lose these finals, too many people unwilling to face facts, call a spade a spade, point out the negatives and so on.

i didnt think there was too much wrong with mayos tactics, just a lack of forward firepower, o'connor wasnt right, anytime i seen he held his arm they way you would if it was in a sling. they amount of scores left behind was the losing of that game. if mayo can find unearth one more top forward....

and as Seans_Username said, the team is only 26, is anyone going to retire of that panel next year?

good run through to a potential final again too, did someone say connaught muster, cork now counihan is gone maybe but kerry dont have the conveyor.
id put the biggest danger being whoever comes out of ulster in the QF, donegal on one last hurrah, ever improving monaghan, tyrone and meath are on the up too

realweirdo

Seans_Username wrote: »

I deliberately avoided posting in this thread for the last 4 weeks and paid little attention to it.
To come back and see people calling for horan's head and saying this team are finished... Jesus wept.

The current squad have an average age of 26 if I'm not mistaken.
No care to mention how Dublin's squad had more depth? Or how they stopped mayo playing by consistently fouling them? (at one stage the foul count was 21-8)

Fair enough the minors are getting the credit they deserve on here. It's been great following them this year and I'm absolutely delighted for them. They were worthy champions.

Do you agree Horan was tactically naive today as he was in last years final?
Do you agree we looked like rabits in headlights again for large parts of the game?
Do you agree we choked again?

It's just not good enough. He's had 3 years and while he's good at getting us to finals as was Maughan, once there, he's frankly hopeless and will be next year.

Good manager but not good enough. Let's give Kevin McStay a chance I say and lets have no more of this naive tactical nonsense in AI finals or people enjoying the day out and the craic in the pub.

Barlett

Amprodude wrote: »

I hate saying it but this Mayo team are finished. New approach needed. They wont be around to contest All Ireland next year. This was their year and they didnt deliver. How many chances do they need?

Clueless post

NewBeefFarmer

realweirdo wrote: »

Do you agree Horan was tactically naive today as he was in last years final?
Do you agree we looked like rabits in headlights again for large parts of the game?
Do you agree we choked again?

It's just not good enough. He's had 3 years and while he's good at getting us to finals as was Maughan, once there, he's frankly hopeless and will be next year.

Good manager but not good enough. Let's give Kevin McStay a chance I say and lets have no more of this naive tactical nonsense in AI finals or people enjoying the day out and the craic in the pub.

Mayo has very very good players, . remember they lost by 1 point not 10.

Would the outcome have been the same if say a confident mgr have been in charge.

1. I've said this for 2 years and get shot, I'm saying it again. Some people think horan is a really cool mgr and never panics, I just see a man that's lacking confidence and seems to be second guessing himself mostly in finals when pressure is really on..

NewBeefFarmer

Barlett wrote: »

Clueless post

+1

realweirdo

NewBeefFarmer wrote: »

Mayo has very very good players, . remember they lost by 1 point not 10.

Would the outcome have been the same if say a confident mgr have been in charge.

1. I've said this for 2 years and get shot, I'm saying it again. Some people think horan is a really cool mgr and never panics, I just see a man that's lacking confidence and seems to be second guessing himself mostly in finals when pressure is really on..

A good manager, confident or not, is priceless to a team. We've all seen teams with average players beat a team with good players mainly because of the strengths of the managers.

Tactical naivity has been the killer of Mayo teams in several finals, not all, but a number of them. Not able to kill games off when having good leads, not knowing what switches to make, when to time substitutions, putting the wrong man on an opponent and so on.

I don't like picking on players but it was obvious from about the 10th minute that Dillon hadn't the bottle for the fight. If I was manager I would have brought him off. It was obvious that McLoughlin had bottled it and was making one bad decision after another. It was obvious after Freeman went off we needed a target man/plan B if plan A didn't work. Horan said the players made basic mistakes. Surely after 3 years and a month to prepare they shouldn't be making basic mistakes. Some of the players were completely clueless. Whether its Horan did things wrong or else he just couldn't get his message across to the players, I'm not sure. What I am sure of is one way or the other he's brought this group of players as far as he can. You can't keep playing the likes of Dillon in AI finals and expect things to change. That's mistake number one. I don't want to personalise it but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade. That's all I have to say on it in any case.

I just hope the Mayo County Board make a big decision in upcoming weeks and months. Either stick with more of the same or else make a big decision and ask Horan to go and bring in Kevin McStay or someone like that who has vastly superior tactical knowhow.

allthedoyles

Amprodude

Barlett wrote: »

Clueless post

What im trying to say is its hard for any team to reach a third consective final unless its s very good team like old Kerry teams of the past. Mayo arent this and will do well to come out of Connacht next year.

realweirdo

Amprodude wrote: »

What im trying to say is its hard for any team to reach a third consective final unless its s very good team like old Kerry teams of the past. Mayo arent this and will do well to come out of Connacht next year.

They'll come out of Connacht handy enough, there's no competition there. They will win their AI quarter final and probably a semi-final..in fact they'll probably beat Dublin in the semi final keeping up their record of beating the previous years AI winners. In the final they will meet someone like Kerry or Cork and will bottle it again.

There's a certain pattern to Mayo football if you follow them long enough!

NewBeefFarmer

Amprodude wrote: »

What im trying to say is its hard for any team to reach a third consective final unless its s very good team like old Kerry teams of the past. Mayo arent this and will do well to come out of Connacht next year.

Maybe the coaching staff, 85% of the team works.

overshoot

realweirdo wrote: »

They'll come out of Connacht handy enough, there's no competition there. They will win their AI quarter final and probably a semi-final..in fact they'll probably beat Dublin in the semi final keeping up their record of beating the previous years AI winners. In the final they will meet someone like Kerry or Cork and will bottle it again.

There's a certain pattern to Mayo football if you follow them long enough!

na it was connaught leinster in 2012, ulster in 2013 so muster next year...
everyone going route 1 its dublin in the final... always losing the final v always beating the previous winner, something will give :pac:

NewBeefFarmer

Syferus wrote: »

If he scores 1-02 from play in an AI final looking 'tired and weighty' I'm afraid for backs if he ever bothers to get on a thread-mill :rolleyes:

Looking at today, ud want 2-3 to be all ire champs.

1-2 isn't good enough.

Syferus

NewBeefFarmer wrote: »

Looking at today, ud want 2-3 to be all ire champs.

1-2 isn't good enough.

Sure if we're pulling numbers out of our arses why not make it something historic like 4-07?

NewBeefFarmer

Syferus wrote: »

Sure if we're pulling numbers out of our arses why not make it something historic like 4-07?

Lol. 2-3? Out of an arse? Were u watching the derby or something, that's what brogan scored.


Anyway. How Dublin won all there kickouts, astonishing.

Barlett

Good to see the new jerk brigade are out in full force. The most successful Mayo setup since the 50s & people want to tear it up. Can I just remind ye all that Mayo were losing to Sligo & Longford in 2010 and were dismissed as any kind of serious team. Look where Horan has brought us. Stop talking rubbish & give the man the respect he deserves

Stoner

I was very impressed with how Horan handled McGuinness this year. I think he's a very good manager.
But with the club championship manager hanging around it might be worth a look.

realweirdo

Barlett wrote: »

Good to see the new jerk brigade are out in full force. The most successful Mayo setup since the 50s & people want to tear it up. Can I just remind ye all that Mayo were losing to Sligo & Longford in 2010 and were dismissed as any kind of serious team. Look where Horan has brought us. Stop talking rubbish & give the man the respect he deserves

Are you serious? We were a joke today. Our forwards couldn't hit a barn door and weren't fit to lace the boots of the forwards of the '51 team. I'm getting sick of the "we're great, we were unlucky" and all that nonsense.

Let's be honest, we had a few good players today but most players didn't show up. And the management had a terrible day today. It's time for them to go. All I see with this management is Maughan 2.0. Great at getting to finals, tactically naive when there. For genuine Mayo fans, simply reaching finals no longer cuts it. Winning finals is what counts, not reaching them.

NewBeefFarmer

Stoner wrote: »

I was very impressed with how Horan handled McGuinness this year. I think he's a very good manager.
But with the club championship manager hanging around it might be worth a look.

You also have to agree Donegal played to a level which was no more than 30% of last years effort.

Fowler87

SomethingElse wrote: »

Why wasn't Kevin McLoughlin hooked? Unfortunately he was nowhere near his 2011 form, particularly in recent games. Richie Feeney was in reserve.

I've heard a good few giving out about McLoughlin. Thought he was fantastic myself BUT only in the first half where he plummeted badly like most of the half forwards once Higgins was moved back. Feeney not being on sooner has been a mainstay all year unfortunately. Whatever happened between JH and himself in the indiscipline row they had an impact has had its repercussions for both him and the county team which isnt right

Neeson

It was a great chance. It really was just two games to win an all ireland. The others were walkovers (mostly)

Barlett

realweirdo wrote: »

Are you serious? We were a joke today. Our forwards couldn't hit a barn door and weren't fit to lace the boots of the forwards of the '51. I'm getting sick of the "we're great, we were unlucky" and all that nonsense.

Let's be honest, we had a few good players today but most players didn't show up. And the management had a terrible day today.

A joke? Cop on , the way you're talking you'd swear we had a long line of glorious all Ireland winning teams . This is the most successful Mayo team we've had since 51. We'd all love a win but slating management & players for losing an All Ireland final after all the sacrifices they have made is quite frankly disgusting.

realweirdo

Fowler87 wrote: »

I've heard a good few giving out about McLoughlin. Thought he was fantastic myself BUT only in the first half where he plummeted badly like most of the half forwards once Higgins was moved back. Feeney not being on sooner has been a mainstay all year unfortunately. Whatever happened between JH and himself in the indiscipline row they had an impact has had its repercussions for both him and the county team which isnt right

No, he was sh*te...let's be honest here. Missed two point scoring chances early in the game and it went downhill from there. I'd give him 1/10. Harsh but honest. He should have been taken off early.