July 14, Stage 12: Cugnaux - Luz-Ardiden 209km

petethedrummer

D3PO wrote: »

Id blame the riders over the team. They know their own bodies the yshoudl have pushed back that they werent right to go.

Roche himself said that Gadret did not want to do the tour. His team insisted.

bertiecont

here we go!!!!!!!

mloc123

http://data.srmlive.de/TDF/

Robbed the link from elsewhere, interesting power data.

GT_TDI_150

is martin in the main bunch? the graph doesnt show him in the group behind the peleton at all

D3PO

petethedrummer wrote: »

Roche himself said that Gadret did not want to do the tour. His team insisted.

Probably true but the official line is that Gadret had "earned" the choice to ride the tour if he wanted due to his performance at the Giro.

No doubt they heavily reccommed he ride but if he was knackered he should have resisted for the sake of the team.

kmart6

mloc123 wrote: »

http://data.srmlive.de/TDF/

Robbed the link from elsewhere, interesting power data.

That's prob the 20th time that's been linked at this stage! May get edwin to just include it on the initial first post everyday!

kmart6

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

is martin in the main bunch? the graph doesnt show him in the group behind the peleton at all

Doubt it...looked jacked a long time ago!

John.Icy

Roche right at the front, hsa two guys for support aswell, maybe more depending on where Kadri eds up.

mahoo

contador riding near the back of that group. none of the favourites seam in top form. evans looks the most comfortable

kmart6

Looked like Riblon swallowed up there was it?!

D3PO

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

is martin in the main bunch? the graph doesnt show him in the group behind the peleton at all

that doesnt capture everybody. Hes been dropped as has LLS & Fuslang & Kloden so if Roche holds firm he will shoot up the GC tonight

LuckyGent88

Roche looking good so far anyway.

John.Icy

Liqugas reallu upping it!!! How the hell is Tommy still up there!! Hope Roche can hang with this pressure.

D3PO

John.Icy wrote: »

Liqugas reallu upping it!!! How the hell is Tommy still up there!! Hope Roche can hang with this pressure.

Big effort by Tommy thats what the yellow does for you. He will be spent after today. Expect him to lose a bucket of time tomorrow having defended the jersey today.

John.Icy

He's losing it

He could lose a heap of time now.

copacetic

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Roche looking good so far anyway.

Steadying to drift of the back now

kmart6

Ah balls...go Roche...get back on!

mahoo

roche going out the back!

SomeFool

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Roche looking good so far anyway.

Dropping off the back now

mgmt

Damn it Roche.

John.Icy

He's still within a few metres...not done yet!! Cmon!

ednwireland

roche popped

kmart6

Optimism lads...come on!!!

LuckyGent88

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Roche looking good so far anyway.

spoke too soon obviously. Once the pace went up again he started to slide although he aint far off the group so could get back in.

D3PO

Come on Roche dig deep.

bertiecont

he's prob better off just getting to the finish at this stage instead of going into red to try and get back on. plenty of guys above him in GC are behind him on the road and plenty of mountains to come!

CianRyan

He could pull it back yet but he is looking tired.
Still 7k left so there's time yet.

copacetic

He's still fighting hard and it flattens out a little soon, 3 of the team together off back now, hopefully they can work together.

John.Icy

Roche has Dupont and Riblon trying to get back..around 20m or less....

D3PO

CianRyan wrote: »

He could pull it back yet but he is looking tired.
Still 7k left so there's time yet.

plan at this stage should be to lose under a minute to be fair.

kmart6

He really looks shagged!

mahoo

andy having a good look at contador.. could be an attack coming in the last few km

John.Icy

Peraud will probably take over the main man at AG2R now, even if he doesn't surpass Roche in the overall day, he probably will soon.

LuckyGent88

great work by the 2 front lads to put up the gap. Cant see anyone catching them now so they are set up for a stage win.

Roche looks bollixed.

D3PO

John.Icy wrote: »

Peraud will probably take over the main man at AG2R now, even if he doesn't surpass Roche in the overall day, he probably will soon.

5k up a Hors climb is a long way. I wouldnt expect anything right now. One thing that is unlikely is that hes in condition for a top 10 GC finish.

LuckyGent88

Looks like we have action.

mahoo

the old schleck one two...frank looks the stronger for sure

CianRyan

D3PO wrote: »

CianRyan wrote: »

He could pull it back yet but he is looking tired.
Still 7k left so there's time yet.

plan at this stage should be to lose under a minute to be fair.

Yeah, this is true. Just knock out the best he can.

And here's the attack.

kmart6

Surprised Frank has been let go away so easily!

SomeFool

Frank S is going for it

D3PO

you have to give Tommy V his dues. Hes ridden the life out of his legs to protect the yellow today.

LuckyGent88

great stuff from Frank Schleck

petethedrummer

D3PO wrote: »

Probably true but the official line is that Gadret had "earned" the choice to ride the tour if he wanted due to his performance at the Giro.

I don't think that's right. Gadret wouldn't have to "earn" a place on the TDF team.

"He hadn't originally planned to ride both the Giro and the Tour, as he would not have had enough time in between to recover, but the team persuaded him to make the most of his good form and both he and Hubert Dupont, who finished 12th in the Giro, were added to the roster at the last minute."
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/nicolas-roche-imagine-driving-through-a-rainstorm-the-windscreen-fogging-and-the-wipers-off-2821195.html

mloc123

kmart6 wrote: »

That's prob the 20th time that's been linked at this stage! May get edwin to just include it on the initial first post everyday!

http://www.boards.ie/search/?subforums=1&f=410&q=data.srmlive.de

Really, 20 times?

D3PO

petethedrummer wrote: »

I don't think that's right. Gadret wouldn't have to "earn" a place on the TDF team.

"He hadn't originally planned to ride both the Giro and the Tour, as he would not have had enough time in between to recover, but the team persuaded him to make the most of his good form and both he and Hubert Dupont, who finished 12th in the Giro, were added to the roster at the last minute."
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/nicolas-roche-imagine-driving-through-a-rainstorm-the-windscreen-fogging-and-the-wipers-off-2821195.html

I didnt say he "earned the place" i said "earned the choice" as in he could pick if he wanted to go or not without the team pushing him one way or the other.

anyway its moot now. Even a fresh Gadret wouldnt save Nico today

LuckyGent88

T V looks like he is gone here after that break by Evans.

CramCycle

Some balls on Schleck, no TV in work, how close will he get?

petethedrummer

D3PO wrote: »

I didnt say he "earned the place" i said "earned the choice" as in he could pick if he wanted to go or not without the team pushing him one way or the other.

What you said doesn't really matter. Roche says Gadret didn't want to do it but his team persuaded him. When your employer tells you do to something you usually do it (except give a wheel).

John.Icy

The countdown to Roche begins! Hope it's less than 3 minutes.

Contador really suffering there.

CramCycle

Stupid minute by minute updates