Another NCPS clamping victim

-Chris-

Shane732 wrote: »

But when you contact the de-clamp number it does say to press X for temporary parking permits.... Is Temple Court not part of this?

I don't plan on visiting temple court again unless I have my new trusty angle grinder and bolt cutters with me so it shouldn't be an issue.

I don't know about the NCPS phone menu system.

Have you spoken to the person you visited about this? Have they checked their lease or other documentation to see if they were informed about this?
If they haven't, would you not get on to their landlord and ask why not? Do you not think the resident or landlord bear any responsibility in this?

Shane732

Shane732 wrote: »

..........unless I have my new trusty angle grinder ...........

Be sure to get safety glasses too if you are going down that road

Shane732

-Chris- wrote: »

I don't know about the NCPS phone menu system.

Have you spoken to the person you visited about this? Have they checked their lease or other documentation to see if they were informed about this?
If they haven't, would you not get on to their landlord and ask why not? Do you not think the resident or landlord bear any responsibility in this?

Of course the resident and/or landlord have a level of responsibility here. In reality I'm not going to fall out someone over €120 or even ask for her to recoup it as it would just cause to much hassle.

I haven't checked the lease agreement but I'd imagine it's a pretty standard lease agreement. The chances are that the landlord has been using the same lease agreement and changing the name since he/she got the first one drawn up. If this was prior to Oct 2008 (when visitors didn't require a permit) it's unlikely there is anything in the lease about visitors parking. If it was after Oct 2008 there may well be something in the lease about visitors parking. Again, in reality it's €120 and the landlord isn't going to be interested in any grievance I may have. Getting on to the landlord would cause too much difficulty for the tenant.

If there is an argument that what NCPS are doing has no legal basis then I'd much rather pursue that avenue.

I've emailed the guy who wrote the article linked above in relation to this and am hoping he'll reply. If he does then I'll discuss the issue with him and see if it's worth pursuing this in the hope that we'd get a ruling against NCPS. Being honest, if he's of the opinion that there's a chance I'd win this case then I'd let him run with it.

Shane732

RoverJames wrote: »

Be sure to get safety glasses too if you are going down that road

Hoping the bolt cutters will do the job!!

jd

-Chris- wrote: »

I'm sure it wasn't, and if it is jd will get a ban for Personal Abuse.

It wasn't directed at anybody on this board at all.

jd

Shane732 wrote: »

I don't plan on visiting temple court again unless I have my new trusty angle grinder and bolt cutters with me so it shouldn't be an issue.

But surely the simplest thing to do would be to get a visitor's permit from the people you are visiting?

B00MSTICK

If the person you were visiting wasn't told about the visitor permit situation then get them to get onto their landlord.

I'd agree that the signs could have been clearer but this situation should have never arisen.

NCPS are not to blame in this case IMO.

Fault either lies with the tenant (they never mentioned/forgot about the permit) or the landlord (they never mentioned/forgot about the permit)

Magic Beans

Attack the post, not the poster.

Anan1

Shane732 wrote: »

Why didn't I have a right to park in the visitors spot?

Because you didn't have a permit..

Shane732 wrote: »

It's not on the fu*king sign. Where does it tell me how to obtain a parking permit?

I suggest that NCPS put a one liner on the sign outlining that visitors can contact XXXXXXXXXXXXX to obtain a temporary parking permit.

Is that really to much to ask?

If that line had been on the sign I would have contacted the number and got my temporary parking permit - end of.

Provide me with information on how to obtain a permit and I'd have no issues.

Why are you still clinging on to the idea that NCPS are responsible for telling you how to get a permit? They're not.

Anan1

Shane732 wrote: »

Jesus Anan1 I think that's the first admission from you saying you've made a mistake in life.

I was beginning to think you were the messiah!! Is that horse you're up on in the Guinness book of records, I reckon it has to be the highest horse in the world!

You need to lose the persecution complex and look at this rationally. I don't know you, and I certainly didn't clamp you, but if I could help you out I would. Unfortunately, from the information you've given us, it's pretty clear that any appeal wouldn't stand a chance. I didn't make this so, i'm just giving you my honest opinion on the situation. Some you win, some you learn from - maturity is learning to tell which is which.

mickdw

OK so if we have established that the occupant should hold visitor permits to give out. How does this then work, is there 10 mins grace when you arrive to allow you to
To get the permit or must it be a military style operation having friend standing there with permit in hand

jd

mickdw wrote: »

How does this then work, is there 10 mins grace when you arrive to allow you to
To get the permit

That's about the size of it. Visitor arrives, rings bell, I/OH goes down with permit, it's put on dashboard..

Absurdum

mickdw wrote: »

OK so if we have established that the occupant should hold visitor permits to give out. How does this then work, is there 10 mins grace when you arrive to allow you to
To get the permit or must it be a military style operation having friend standing there with permit in hand

I'd say it's more like: if they can get the clamp on, you're screwed

-Corkie-

I parked in a pay and display recently. I came back to the car 5 minutes after the expiry time to find the clamp on. A few people told me after that the NCPS guy waits in that car park and clamps you the minute your expiry time is up.

A lot of posters here on High horses defending NCPS but I reackon if they were in the same situation there opinion would change.

Shane732

-Corkie- wrote: »

I parked in a pay and display recently. I came back to the car 5 minutes after the expiry time to find the clamp on. A few people told me after that the NCPS guy waits in that car park and clamps you the minute your expiry time is up.

A lot of posters here on High horses defending NCPS but I reackon if they were in the same situation there opinion would change.

SSSshhhhhh........ We're not allowed talk like that about NCPS.

After all NCPS are always in the right.

-Chris-

NCPS aren't always in the right, don't be silly. It just looks like they were in the right in this case.

On the other hand, if you can prove that it's illegal for them to clamp you, as seems to be the angle you're looking at, you will be held shoulder high and praised as a hero. I really hope you are successful.

coolbeans

Would people stop going on about high horses?! It's annoying beyond belief and often weakens a valid argument cos it's such a lazy bloody cliche and means SFA. It's not a magical argument winning phrase ya know.

Anan1

coolbeans wrote: »

Would people stop going on about high horses?! It's annoying beyond belief and often weakens a valid argument cos it's such a lazy bloody cliche and means SFA. It's not a magical argument winning phrase ya know.

It's the boards equivalent of sticking your tongue out at someone because you don't like what they're saying but can't articulate why.;)

Needler

There are just some people who are very much into law and order, following the procedures and think everything should be done using a very formal approach. these are much more likely to be from a densely populated place because there it's much easier to annoy someone through your behaviour intentionally or not. those people around them seem to cause all their problems and they look towards rules and law enforcement to keep the annoying people at bay.

and then there are people who take a more relaxed approach "oh an empty space, lets park there so I won't be long". without worrying about such things as permits, visitor only signs, the car being exactly within the confines of the box. these might be used to living in not so densely populated places and maybe genuinely believe they're not in the way but fail to realise that even if they park somewhere they could potentially be in the way that's enough to upset the rule and structure oriented person

naturally the two ideologies clash and the first one will appear as being on a high horse and the other will come across as a careless lazy rule breaker or even someone who'se out to give people hassle.

Shane732

-Chris- wrote: »

NCPS aren't always in the right, don't be silly. It just looks like they were in the right in this case.

On the other hand, if you can prove that it's illegal for them to clamp you, as seems to be the angle you're looking at, you will be held shoulder high and praised as a hero. I really hope you are successful.

For some reason I don't think Anan1 would be praising me as a hero!!!

Anan1

Shane732 wrote: »

For some reason I don't think Anan1 would be praising me as a hero!!!

I'm always impressed by a well-reasoned argument - surprise me!;)

darragh o meara

-Corkie- wrote: »

I parked in a pay and display recently. I came back to the car 5 minutes after the expiry time to find the clamp on. A few people told me after that the NCPS guy waits in that car park and clamps you the minute your expiry time is up.

A lot of posters here on High horses defending NCPS but I reackon if they were in the same situation there opinion would change.

They o this in Thurles train station carpark. Happened an elderly lady parked beside me a few months back, she had been in Dublin since the day before and had bought a 24 hr parking ticket but arrived back 10 mins late due to delay on train coming back. Car was clamped and no sign of the clamper. He came back and she tried to explain it wasn't her fault the train was late but he was having none of it. He was so rude and left the lady in an awful state. As soon as he went away I whipped it off for her with a little help from my trusty clamp removal tool. It was the last either of us heard of it.

I did however hang around another day to watch how he operated. He went around noting the expiry time on all the cars and was back within 5 mins of expiry time to clamp.

On another ocassion the same lad had clamped a gaurd who was 5 mins late. She read him the riot act and he just laughed at her but she got the last laugh, after she paid she must have put a call into her buddies in traffic Corp cos low and behold as the clamper left the carpark a squad pulled straight out and got him for some sort of fineable offence

Best I've heard of and I'm gonna try it sometime is to connect the front wheels to an electric fence box let's see him clamp that !!

Anan1

Anan1 wrote: »

It's the boards equivalent of sticking your tongue out at someone because you don't like what they're saying but can't articulate why.;)

I thought that was called an infraction :pac:

VolvoMan

I think the only thing we can do is outlaw these private clamping cnuts. The only people who should be allowed to immobilise a vehicle are the state or a local council.

VolvoMan

VolvoMan wrote: »

I think the only thing we can do is outlaw these private clamping cnuts. The only people who should be allowed to immobilise a vehicle are the state or a local council.

How would you prevent folks abusing private car parking facilities so ?
Private clamping, used correctly with some leeway is an excellent deterrent in many cases.

jd

OP, did your friend find out why she wasn't given permits by her landlord?

Shane732

jd wrote: »

OP, did your friend find out why she wasn't given permits by her landlord?

Not as of yesterday, no. I haven't been talking to her today.

-Corkie-

Shane732 wrote: »

Not as of yesterday, no. I haven't been talking to her today.

Shane if you had done the job quicker you would have been out the door quicker before you got clamped...:D:p

VolvoMan

RoverJames wrote: »

How would you prevent folks abusing private car parking facilities so ?

I don't know, but anything has to be better than extorting 80-120 quid from people in one of the worst recessions that the country has ever experienced. This sort of money is life or death for some people these days and I don't think the clampers realise this. Take a look at the profit they made last year and I'm sure you will be absolutely sickened.

VolvoMan

VolvoMan wrote: »

.......... This sort of money is life or death for some people these days and I don't think the clampers realise this. ...........

I'd say the lads doing the actual clamping are more than tuned into the economic challenges facing many folk these days.

Anan1

VolvoMan wrote: »

I don't know, but anything has to be better than extorting 80-120 quid from people in one of the worst recessions that the country has ever experienced. This sort of money is life or death for some people these days and I don't think the clampers realise this. Take a look at the profit they made last year and I'm sure you will be absolutely sickened.

Do you realize that if everybody parked properly then every clamping firm in the country would go out of business? If you hate them that much then don't feed them.

Shane732

Anan1 wrote: »

Do you realize that if everybody parked properly then every clamping firm in the country would go out of business? If you hate them that much then don't feed them.

Seriously?!

I was parked properly - I was in the right parking spot in the car park, I was between the white lines, parked straight and backed against the wall.

I didn't have some piece of paper sitting on my dashboard (note: not a parking ticket from a meter but some black and green piece of sh*t that I couldn't have gotten even if I had been aware of the fact that I needed it!).

How wasn't I parked properly?!!

Anan1

Shane732 wrote: »

Seriously?!

I was parked properly - I was in the right parking spot in the car park, I was between the white lines, parked straight and backed against the wall.

I didn't have some piece of paper sitting on my dashboard (note: not a parking ticket from a meter but some black and green piece of sh*t that I couldn't have gotten even if I had been aware of the fact that I needed it!).

How wasn't I parked properly?!!

Because you didn't have the permit. You seem to have the idea that i'm glad you got clamped - i'm not. Like presumably everyone else on this thread, I wish you hadn't been clamped. And you wouldn't have been, had you heeded the sign.

-Chris-

Lads, I'm closing this thread. We're just going in circles at this stage.

Shane, PM me if you have an update to your challenge and I'll reopen the thread for you.