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Sin census

  • 17-07-2011 11:31pm
    #1
    Mystified
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭


    Do the Catholic Church authorities conduct any kind of surveys of the most frequent sins confessed so as to direct pastoral activities in an effective manner.:confused:
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  • #2
    alex73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭alex73


    Mystified wrote: »
    Do the Catholic Church authorities conduct any kind of surveys of the most frequent sins confessed so as to direct pastoral activities in an effective manner.:confused:

    No. Information from confession can't EVER be used.


  • #3
    Onesimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Onesimus


    Mystified wrote: »
    Do the Catholic Church authorities conduct any kind of surveys of the most frequent sins confessed so as to direct pastoral activities in an effective manner.:confused:

    No. Seal of confession would exclude such a survey ever happening.


  • #4
    Onesimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Onesimus


    alex73 wrote: »
    No. Information from confession can't EVER be used.

    Upon first glance this seems like an angry reply. :confused:


  • #5
    lmaopml
    Registered Users Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭lmaopml


    No. The confessional is not used for survey purposes. It's strictly confidential.

    It always has been confidential, and still is in every country that has a 'confessional'. Ireland may be deciding to change that soon though through state intervention, so perhaps we might also decide it should be part of a 'census' in order to direct effectual law in the longer term - seems that's what the braniacs have come up with, on how to be effective.


  • #6
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,737 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    To be helpful, I'll admit one of mine is the sin of self-deception - thinking that Arsenal will ever win anything again.


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  • #7
    Suzie Sue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Suzie Sue


    Manach wrote: »
    To be helpful, I'll admit one of mine is the sin of self-deception - thinking that Arsenal will ever win anything again.

    Arsenal are boring.

    How is this thread different from the Seal of confesson one ?


  • #8
    alex73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭alex73


    Onesimus wrote: »
    Upon first glance this seems like an angry reply. :confused:

    Why? The person is confessing to christ. And committing to never sin again and to make amends. The priest is forgiving in the name of christ. The confession is sealed. No information is used.


  • #9
    Mystified
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭Mystified


    I don't mean breaking the seal of confession in the sense of revealing the names of people who confessed specific sins. What I mean is a purely bureaucratic process of say enumerating types of sins confessed so as to for instance know whether to preach sermons against the most common or serious.


  • #10
    Suzie Sue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Suzie Sue


    Mystified wrote: »
    I don't mean breaking the seal of confession in the sense of revealing the names of people who confessed specific sins. What I mean is a purely bureaucratic process of say enumerating types of sins confessed so as to for instance know whether to preach sermons against the most common or serious.

    They don't need to, it's already well known

    Look up the Seven deadly sins and the ten commandments.

    Pride is the most common and deadly sin, and the root of all the others.


  • #11
    alex73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭alex73


    Mystified wrote: »
    I don't mean breaking the seal of confession in the sense of revealing the names of people who confessed specific sins. What I mean is a purely bureaucratic process of say enumerating types of sins confessed so as to for instance know whether to preach sermons against the most common or serious.

    I asked the exact same question many years ago. I was told nothing from confession can be used, written down, tracked. Etc... It's sealed.


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  • #12
    Onesimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Onesimus


    alex73 wrote: »
    Why? The person is confessing to christ. And committing to never sin again and to make amends. The priest is forgiving in the name of christ. The confession is sealed. No information is used.

    oh I know that. Just the emphasis you used on EVERRRRRRRRRRR. was like you were charging in with your crusader sword and sheild. rooarrrrrrr :D


  • #13
    lmaopml
    Registered Users Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭lmaopml


    Mystified wrote: »
    I don't mean breaking the seal of confession in the sense of revealing the names of people who confessed specific sins. What I mean is a purely bureaucratic process of say enumerating types of sins confessed so as to for instance know whether to preach sermons against the most common or serious.

    Hi mystified. Usually the sermons relate to the Gospel reading, and also the first and second reading from Scripture...and are not focused on anything other than that, and how they pertain to us...

    To my knowledge Priests don't - aren't allowed to - gather statistical information from the confessional as it would be seen as immoral. They trust that God does that work in the hearts and minds of those who have confessed - a priest may impart advise and guide the person though...but never share the information or amalgamate it collectively for statistical purposes. It's totally different hearing a confession to a census and how the government operates when deciding to gather information for the greater good of society. The 'census' is very important for society. Imo, so too is the confessional valuable but they are two fundamentally different things. Hope that helps.


  • #14
    georgieporgy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭georgieporgy


    Mystified wrote: »
    Do the Catholic Church authorities conduct any kind of surveys of the most frequent sins confessed so as to direct pastoral activities in an effective manner.:confused:

    Like everyone else they watch the 6 o'clock news and read a newspaper. maybe even an episode of east enders.

    when they read headlines about murder rape robbery marital infidelity, that gives them an idea.


  • #15
    gimmebroadband
    Registered Users Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭gimmebroadband


    IMHO I think the biggest sin is the murder of innocent children in the womb, millions every year!!

    WORLDWIDE

    Number of abortions per year: Approximately 42 Million
    Number of abortions per day: Approximately 115,000

    http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html


  • #16
    georgieporgy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭georgieporgy


    gimmebroadband wrote: »
    IMHO I think the biggest sin is the murder of innocent children in the womb, millions every year!!

    WORLDWIDE

    Number of abortions per year: Approximately 42 Million
    Number of abortions per day: Approximately 115,000

    http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

    As this involves children would it be fair to say that abortion is worse than sexual abuse? (I know sex abuse is bad). And if so who is the perpretrator? Catholic priests? (very rare).

    I think there should be a law against it.


  • #17
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    gimmebroadband wrote: »
    IMHO I think the biggest sin is the murder of innocent children in the womb, millions every year!!

    WORLDWIDE

    Number of abortions per year: Approximately 42 Million
    Number of abortions per day: Approximately 115,000

    http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

    That doesn't make much sense since only a tiny proportion of women ever have an abortion.

    Would lying or lust or something be far more common?


  • #18
    gimmebroadband
    Registered Users Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭gimmebroadband


    Wicknight wrote: »
    That doesn't make much sense since only a tiny proportion of women ever have an abortion.

    Would lying or lust or something be far more common?

    Liars are among those mentioned in Revelation 21:8

    "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."


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