The Walking Dead - Season 2 [AMC - US] *Spoilers*

DOC09UNAM

Giruilla wrote: »

I think people expectations of the show are now so low... that even with only 1 minute of something interesting happening in the show

(ie shane shooting guy)

, they feel the other 50 or so mind numbing minutes are worth it.

It's the epitome of a poor show.. one that is soley built around cliff hangers for the next show rather than using the full slot to make something compelling.

Then don't watch it.

Giruilla

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Then don't watch it.

I don't! But I did watch the whole first series... in increasing shock at how quickly the show deteriorated. I'm just suprised at how low peoples expectations are for this show now..

ejmaztec

Giruilla wrote: »

I don't! But I did watch the whole first series... in increasing shock at how quickly the show deteriorated. I'm just suprised at how low peoples expectations are for this show now..

Same here, although I'm still watching it to see if the pace picks up, but it's painfully slow going. The injured son seems to have been on his deathbead for an eternity, and it's like Grey's Anatomy meets The Waltons.

I can see TWD dragging out for as long as the ratings hold up, then fizzling out with no ending.

don ramo

ejmaztec wrote: »

Same here, although I'm still watching it to see if the pace picks up, but it's painfully slow going. The injured son seems to have been on his deathbead for an eternity, and it's like Grey's Anatomy meets The Waltons.

I can see TWD dragging out for as long as the ratings hold up, then fizzling out with no ending.

2 episodes, wanna relax there a bit, the surgery has been done so now hell be recovering,

if ye want episodic tv where everything is wrapped in a nice neat little bow then CSI is always there:p,

and giruilla most people opinions are the show has improved in season 2, and if your not watching it nobody is gonna care about your opinion cause you have no idea what your talking about,

Mr E

Keep it civil folks... if you don't like the show, then stop watching.

Giruilla

don ramo wrote: »

if ye want episodic tv where everything is wrapped in a nice neat little bow then CSI is always there:p,

and giruilla most people opinions are the show has improved in season 2, and if your not watching it nobody is gonna care about your opinion cause you have no idea what your talking about,

yes i know peoples opinions have improved... thats because the last season was so horrifically bad that now everyone is content with utter mediocrity!!

Robdude

I don't understand people complaining about the tv showwhile saying the comic books were so much better.

The comics were incredibly slow. I swear, it was a once-per-month comic and it took ten comics to reach Hershel's farm.

The tv series (when it is in season) is once per week and they reached Hershel's farm by episode 8 and they've added a fair bit of cool, eventful stuff, the comics didn't have. Shane was already killed at this point, they didn't have any of the handcuffed guy on the roof who cuts off his own hand, they didn't have the CDC facility or whatever it was, the missing girl and they didn't have Shane killing other people to survive.

I get the feeling people either read the comic books years ago and remember it better than it was or they got all of them at once, sat down, and read them in a weekend. But I really feel like the pace of the TV show is on par or faster than the comics.

don ramo

Giruilla wrote: »

yes i know peoples opinions have improved... thats because the last season was so horrifically bad that now everyone is content with utter mediocrity!!

im never conent with mediocrity, i like this show, its new and its still finding it feet but i think its been good so far, thats mine and plenty of other peoples opinions, mind you therell be just as many people that will dislike the show now thats its a massive hit, i believe prison break was the last show i remember getting torn to pieces for no apparent reason in season 2, i expect that to happen here also.

ejmaztec

don ramo wrote: »

2 episodes, wanna relax there a bit, the surgery has been done so now hell be recovering,

if ye want episodic tv where everything is wrapped in a nice neat little bow then CSI is always there,

and giruilla most people opinions are the show has improved in season 2, and if your not watching it nobody is gonna care about your opinion cause you have no idea what your talking about,

If you can imagine a CSI episode spread out over 6 episodes, then you might understand where I'm coming from.:P

vibe666

well i like it. maybe my standards just aren't that high, but i'm fine with it so far.

actually, if anything i thought the whole shane/otis thing was one of the weaker points so far, it was far to obvious how that was going to go right from the point where otis offered to tag along in ep.2.

Don't forget - the comics also had that dead town before they made it to Hershels - and the level of desperation before they got to Hershels also just seemed more intense. I think the death count so far has been too low for a Zombie related serial - the comics hit home because everyone was expendable and it made it tense.

I don't think you can realistically compare the two either way, they both offer and can do very different things which makes them unequal.

I've some difficulties with the show so far. Despite this I'm really looking forward to it every week and after I've put my son to bed I sit down with my wife and a bottle of beer to watch the next episode. No other show gets this treatment, I love the zombie genre so this is a real treat - even if the quality is questionable at times.

pixelburp

Just on the point about the comics having a higher death count, and thus a higher level of tension. I would wonder if it works both ways: afterall, it's all very well in a long-running comic (a medium that by it's very nature is almost neverending) having a revolving-door policy with your characters. You can drop in characters when and where you please.

TV is a different beast - shorter 'runs', plots typically formed in arcs & a different scope of audience. I couldn't realistically see how putting every character on a knife edge would work as gripping TV. Granted, the characters that are there are thinly sketched as it is, but what little feeling we might have for them could quickly evaporate if we just started playing "Who'll die next?".

bb1234567

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't forget - the comics also had that dead town before they made it to Hershels - and the level of desperation before they got to Hershels also just seemed more intense. I think the death count so far has been too low for a Zombie related serial - the comics hit home because everyone was expendable and it made it tense.

I don't think you can realistically compare the two either way, they both offer and can do very different things which makes them unequal.

I've some difficulties with the show so far. Despite this I'm really looking forward to it every week and after I've put my son to bed I sit down with my wife and a bottle of beer to watch the next episode. No other show gets this treatment, I love the zombie genre so this is a real treat - even if the quality is questionable at times.

i agree with you on most things but actually way more people have died on tv so far than in the comics- in the comics- the deaths have been- jim,amy,shane and donna, nobody missing,and carl badly injured. so four deaths and one badly injured at that stage in the comics where we are on tv.
but in tv- deaths are-amy,jim,jacqui ,ed,dr.jenner,otis, merle missing,sophia missing,carl badly injured,tdog injured. so in tv 6 deaths,2 missing and 2 badly injured.
so theres actually been a lot more characters on a knifes edge on tv than in the comics !

Robdude

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't forget - the comics also had that dead town before they made it to Hershels - and the level of desperation before they got to Hershels also just seemed more intense. I think the death count so far has been too low for a Zombie related serial - the comics hit home because everyone was expendable and it made it tense.

I don't think you can realistically compare the two either way, they both offer and can do very different things which makes them unequal.

I've some difficulties with the show so far. Despite this I'm really looking forward to it every week and after I've put my son to bed I sit down with my wife and a bottle of beer to watch the next episode. No other show gets this treatment, I love the zombie genre so this is a real treat - even if the quality is questionable at times.

Good point - I forgot about the dead town. My bad.

tommy2bad

I couldn't realistically see how putting every character on a knife edge would work as gripping TV.

Pixelburp, you didn't watch The Fades then?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7clIVVUQko
I like the Walking Dead, it's not the best TV ever but it dose what it says on the tin, zombies, drama and pretty good SFX.
Of course it could be better, so could most shows. Its hard to balance horror on TV, too much and your left with only a hardcore horror audience, too little and no one watches.

Richard Dower

Show needs more lesbian zombies imo.

Robdude

Richard Dower wrote: »

Show needs more lesbian zombies imo.

True. But doesn't every show?

Yakuza

I did something for the first time tonight with TWD - watched most of the ep at 1.5x or 2.0x speed. The Sophie arc is really starting to drag now, as is the Karl one. I liked the twist at the end with Shane, but otherwise I was underwhelmed with that episode. Still, it only cost me 30 minutes.

vibe666

Robdude wrote: »

True. But doesn't every show?

lesbian vampire zombies from outer space maybe? :pac:

and some well choreographed zombie flashmob dance routines.

then they could rename it "the moonwalking dead".

ejmaztec

Yakuza wrote: »

I did something for the first time tonight with TWD - watched most of the ep at 1.5x or 2.0x speed. The Sophie arc is really starting to drag now, as is the Karl one. I liked the twist at the end with Shane, but otherwise I was underwhelmed with that episode. Still, it only cost me 30 minutes.

I was going to say that in my previous post, and then did a backspace delete after deciding against it.:D

I used the 2 speed for when two people decided to have an in-depth waffling chat e.g. when the parents sat with their wounded son.

Ultimate Ultan

I pity the people who are following this thread, but aren't watching the episodes when they are broadcast in the States. There is too much yakking so far this series I must agree. There were lots of Zombies in the last two episodes, but too much faffing about looking for Sophia and Karl wounded. Let's hope there's more death and tension to come.

vibe666

Ultimate Ultan wrote: »

I pity the people who are following this thread, but aren't watching the episodes when they are broadcast in the States.

you shouldn't pity anyone, there's ample warning in the thread title.

why do you think the thread is titled "The Walking Dead - Season 2 [AMC - US] *Spoilers*"?

Ultimate Ultan

vibe666 wrote: »

you shouldn't pity anyone, there's ample warning in the thread title.

why do you think the thread is titled "The Walking Dead - Season 2 [AMC - US] *Spoilers*"?

That's me learnt.

vibe666

Ultimate Ultan wrote: »

That's me learnt.

you should actually probably pity me for being such a grumpy cnut.

Ultimate Ultan

I'm actualy shocked to find a pedantic person on a comment board about a post Zombie apoclypse TV show based on a graphic novel.:D

(I actually didn't remember that this was about the US shows. I can't wait to see what my mates make of the end of Otis tonight.)

leggo

Can people please put spoiler tags when talking about characters that die in the comics? Now I'm going to be watching and waiting for one main character to die thanks to this thread.

ejmaztec

Ultimate Ultan wrote: »

I'm actualy shocked to find a pedantic person on a comment board about a post Zombie apoclypse TV show based on a graphic novel.:D

(I actually didn't remember that this was about the US shows. I can't wait to see what my mates make of the end of Otis tonight.)

A new cereal - Porridge Otis.

DeepBlue

(Spoiler contains speculation on future episodes)

I think I read somewhere that one of the episodes of Series 2 will focus exclusively on Merle. Anyone hear that or did I just dream it?
I didn't see any entry in Michael Rooker's imdb page for Series 2.

bb1234567

DeepBlue wrote: »

(Spoiler contains speculation on future episodes)

I think I read somewhere that one of the episodes of Series 2 will focus exclusively on Merle. Anyone hear that or did I just dream it?
I didn't see any entry in Michael Rooker's imdb page for Series 2.

nope i posted an article on this forum , and yes it says one entire episode will focus exclusively on merle, which is cool:D

The Black Oil

I want to like this show, I do. But, for a show that's riddled with zombies, at times it really lacks dramatic bite.

I'd like it a bit more if it were good old human drama without too much baggage, but no. It seems that most, or every other episode, features a 'goodbye' or reunion scene of some description, angst that can be nauseating (possibly forgivable) and sacrificing one for another that's fairly meaningless and at worst, formulaic or lazy. So yeah, a little too 'going through the motions' for me. Last week's reveal that yer man was a vet was way too obvious. I shouldn't really knock it this much, mind.

Daryl remains awesome, though.

Giruilla

I'd say the reason this show sucks is .. becuase it has absolutely no direction.

Theres barely even a hint that the characters can be saved.. its an ongoing comic book even to this day... and theres no inclination that the story (if it ever develops) will amount to anything other than 'zombie-gasp-run-shoot-cry-recover-walk forward-repeat ad nauseam'. What is the point in this show other than to appeal to the lowest common denominator of gorophiles???

don ramo

Giruilla wrote: »

I'd say the reason this show sucks is .. becuase it has absolutely no direction.

its the end of human civilisation, of course theres no direction, nobody knows anything, best anyone can hope for it to survive and wonder around for a while and hope you come across some kind of civilisation, hershals farm is more a safe haven for now, but thats still just 4 or 5 people staying in one place,


maybe they might come across somthing resembling society at some point well just have to wait and see,

constitutionus

yup.

its the end of the world.

THATS the point. one of the best things in the book is

they really tackle the idea that there is no cure. this is it. the walking dead ISNT the zombies, its the cast and its only a matter of time before they bite the dust.

untill then its a story of how do you deal with everything you never gave a second thought about being taken from you. long term they will run out of drugs, food, fuel, transportation, weaponry etc.

the point of the series IMO is can these people who've been basically thrown back to the stone age survive long enough to rebuild some sort of self sustaining society where zombies have replaced all the threats we faced back then like dire wolves and sabretooth tigers and the like.

or will they die through either suicide or ineptitude.

and in the end what kind of people will they be?

weve only had 9 episodes so far and already we can see how some are changing. if they keep this up by the end of the third season we should be in a totally different place characterwise. particularly with characters like rick and andrea.

Borderfox

Go on the Zombies

Sir Gallagher

Cheers to the posters who've posted potential spoilers from the comic, sound.

Richard Dower

:eek: zombie shagging?...we'll never see this on TWD!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKOc_LLcDUk

Thargor

If you watch The Walking Dead in VLC player you can press + on the keyboard to increase the playback speed slightly, I find it makes it better, its just too slow otherwise. Jesus the conversations between Rick and his whiny wife, they drag on forever.

DRose1

You can see why the show gets so many plaudits - good/great acting, popular subject matter etc... But I am starting to get a little bored of the slow pace of the show tbh.

For example, you just knew when the boy got shot that they were going to drag out his inevitable recovery for at least one episode and probably two. I want to see them move off that road and actually progress the story line. So many interesting ways they could go, but they seem more interested in minor story lines, like the young girl going missing, instead of bigger ones like potential cures etc.

Will definitely keep watching, just wish it was better considering the rave reviews.

Mr E

Another slow one this week. The well scene was pretty good, but other than that, not much happened.

For the comic readers -

There was a nice long lingering shot of a certain building in the first 15 minutes, which hopefully foreshadows what's to come.

Ultimate Ultan

True, another slow episode. I suppose they did move the story on with Lori and Glen and Maggie, but it is going awful slowly. It can't be constant Zombie attack every week, but it doesn't have to be just one an episode.

Comic Spoiler:

I can't wait for Michonne to appear with her katana, but that'll probably be series 3 the way things are going.

(I just finished reading volume 14 of the graphic novel. 15's out on the 20th of December if anyone wants to get it for me for Xmas.)

FortuneChip

What part of that well scene was a good idea?

Ultimate Ultan

FortuneChip wrote: »

What part of that well scene was a good idea?

Trying to stop the Zombie infecting the drinking water?

FortuneChip

Ultimate Ultan wrote: »

Trying to stop the Zombie infecting the drinking water?

I got that, they said as much. Just if there were 5 or so wells, why take that particular risk? And they decided on their plan pretty damn quickly!

Ultimate Ultan

Ya gotta think fast in a post Zombie apocalypse world!

expectationlost

why didn't mr crossbow say what he found in the house?

FortuneChip

Ultimate Ultan wrote: »

Ya gotta think fast in a post Zombie apocalypse world!

Alright, maybe... but

Quick Glenn, get in the well with Sloth

just seemed a little crazy!

It's a bit strange that Daryl didn't say he found some suspicious dwelling alright. Maybe it would have taken away from his Cherokee Rose speech.

Ultimate Ultan

Man those spolier blocks are really starting to piss me off. Is there another forum where we can talk about what has happened in the graphioc novels with out interference?

DOC09UNAM

Ultimate Ultan wrote: »

Man those spolier blocks are really starting to piss me off. Is there another forum where we can talk about what has happened in the graphioc novels with out interference?

there's a comic book forum.

Robdude

don ramo wrote: »

its the end of human civilisation, of course theres no direction, nobody knows anything, best anyone can hope for it to survive and wonder around for a while and hope you come across some kind of civilisation, hershals farm is more a safe haven for now, but thats still just 4 or 5 people staying in one place,


maybe they might come across somthing resembling society at some point well just have to wait and see,

Plenty of TV series dramas are exactly the same. After enough seasons people get tired and then, hopefully, they put together a good ending (lots of times they don't).

Look at how many cop (Law & Order / CSI) type dramas exist. There is never any clear path or an 'ending'. They just have interesting (hopefully) cases each week. Then you've got a whole series of medical dramas (Grey's Anatomy, Scrubs, House, etc...) and they don't ever have an 'end' either. They just keep on keeping on, until they get cancelled.

Ridley

Ultimate Ultan wrote: »

Man those spolier blocks are really starting to piss me off. Is there another forum where we can talk about what has happened in the graphioc novels with out interference?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69077603