Jurassic World

syklops

Deleted User wrote: »

You saying that a 6 foot tall eagle would not be frightening?

The first line in my post was a quote from Jurassic Park. Personally a 6 foot turkey would scare the bejaysus out of me.

I only re-watched the third movie last night, immediately realised why I had blanked it from my memory. An awful, awful movie.

Rewatched it myself a while back. Id forgotten how bad it was. The character Alan Grant really deserved a better follow up story.

SimonTemplar

faceman wrote: »

Wasn't Jurassic Park 3 about some new dinosaur too? (Lest we have forgotten how awful 2 & 3 were!)

To be fair, I wouldn't put 2 and 3 in the same category
It obviously isn't the classic that the original is, but 2 has some decent scenes (the dinosaur round up, the T-Rex attack on the vans and the subsequent cracking window scenes with Julianne Moore, the raptors in the long grass). The gymnastics killing the Raptors was a low point though.

Having said that, there is almost nothing in 3 that is good. As you said, an awful film.

Two fell to **** the moment the got back to America

dodderangler

faceman wrote: »

Wasn't Jurassic Park 3 about some new dinosaur too? (Lest we have forgotten how awful 2 & 3 were!)

A very rubbery looking spinosaurus and a crap looking red faced ceratasaurus.

razorblunt

SimonTemplar wrote: »

To be fair, I wouldn't put 2 and 3 in the same category
It obviously isn't the classic that the original is, but 2 has some decent scenes (the dinosaur round up, the T-Rex attack on the vans and the subsequent cracking window scenes with Julianne Moore, the raptors in the long grass). The gymnastics killing the Raptors was a low point though.

Having said that, there is almost nothing in 3 that is good. As you said, an awful film.

William H Macy outswimming a fúcking Spineosaurus!
3 lads killed off in 2 minutes, then 1 in the remainder of the movie, absolutely awful.

Angron

Deleted User wrote: »

Two fell to **** the moment the got back to America

It did get a bit iffy there (I'm still confused as to how the T-Rex ate the guy whose hand was still attached to the switch, then got back down below deck), but the rest of the movie I thought was good, and certainly doesn't deserve to be lumped in with 3.

dodderangler

Angron wrote: »

It did get a bit iffy there (I'm still confused as to how the T-Rex ate the guy whose hand was still attached to the switch, then got back down below deck), but the rest of the movie I thought was good, and certainly doesn't deserve to be lumped in with 3.

Clearly the massive t-Rex managed to somehow sneak up on deck and swallow the guy but leaving the arm attached to the switch. Then t-Rex then unseen created back down on then and decided to hit the doors with it's head to escape and leave the audience puzzled as to how he done it.

Mal-Adjusted

They clearly wanted to match the plot hole from the first film about where the feck that big chasm came from!

Real answer: I read somewhere that there was meant to be a scene where Raptors got onto the ship and killed the crew, then got eaten by the rex. It was scrapped and they stuck to just to having the T-Rex on the boat but somehow forgot about the dead crew.

Angron

That would have at least kinda made sense.

razorblunt

razorblunt wrote: »

William H Macy outswimming a fúcking Spineosaurus!
3 lads killed off in 2 minutes, then 1 in the remainder of the movie, absolutely awful.

But but but they went to pains to point out how he had been doing some light swimming to get fit!

Mal-Adjusted

razorblunt wrote: »

William H Macy outswimming a fúcking Spineosaurus!

That was your problem!? I'd have more of an issue with the Spineosaurus easily smashing through a fence designed to keep dinosaurs in, but unable to do the same to a thin metal door immediately after!

razorblunt

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

That was your problem!? I'd have more of an issue with the Spineosaurus easily smashing through a fence designed to keep dinosaurs in, but unable to do the same to a thin metal door immediately after!

I had completely forgotten about that! It just gets worse and worse.
Didn't they lie to Grant to get him on the island too?

Aenaes

Yeah, they weren't supposed to land on the island at all. It was either meant to be a fly-by in helicopters or cruise by in boats. The couple pretended to be adrenaline junkies who have been all over the world seeing exotic sites. The husband proclaims "we even have our seats booked for the first trip to the moon!" and is then given a sharp look by his ex-wife posing as his wife.

I think it turns out he sold home appliances or something and offered Grant a great deal if he ever shopped where he worked.

Goldstein

Everyone's most vivid memory of JP3.
More ingrained than vivid really. You're welcome.

Poop phone

syklops

And they never revealed the make of that phone. A wasted oppertunity.

Mal-Adjusted

Actually, since the phone was brought up...just a logistics thing...Grant and the child hear the phone. They think W.H.M has it so run towards the sound. The others hear it as well and do the same. They meet by the fence and realize that Nash had the phone when he was eaten. Que the spinosaurous sneaking up behind them like Solid Snake, phone still ringing. Now, they had been running towards the ringing sound, so for this to make sense, Grant and the child will have had to run right past the Spinosaurous without noticing it and without it attacking them. stupid!

syklops

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Actually, since the phone was brought up...just a logistics thing...Grant and the child hear the phone. They think W.H.M has it so run towards the sound. The others hear it as well and do the same. They meet by the fence and realize that Nash had the phone when he was eaten. Que the spinosaurous sneaking up behind them like Solid Snake, phone still ringing. Now, they had been running towards the ringing sound, so for this to make sense, Grant and the child will have had to run right past the Spinosaurous without noticing it and without it attacking them. stupid!

Dont start poking holes in it now. We will be here all night.

Why didnt Ellie marry Alan? Was it coz he didnt want kids?

recyclops

i enjoyed the birdcage bit from 3, was my favourite bit of the book and really glad they managed to fit it in

pixelburp

I dunno, it's a long while since I've seen any of the JP films, but I recall enjoying JP3 more than I did the first sequel. It felt like JP3 had simpler, more direct agency in its narrative, while JP2 was just a poor rehash of the original film coupled with some clumsy moralizing and a flatlining third act. Not to mention its own collection of plot holes and one of the dumbest scenes in a blockbuster: where a teenage girl defeated a velociraptor using the power of acrobatics :rolleyes:

Both Jurassic Park sequels have been pretty rubbish anyway, so really it's an exercise in splitting hairs to debate which one was better, but JP3 seemed more straightforward: dump adults on an island of dinosaurs, watch them suffer. Plus the aforementioned birdcage sequence was a fantastically creepy, tense scene.

Plus 3 had Michael Jeter, even if for a short while

Mr Freeze

I think I enjoyed JP3 more than the first two films.

(Now I should rewatch it to see if I still think that, before ye maul me for even saying such a thing)

I recently watched The Lost World again, and I didn't think it was great the first time I saw it, I was quite disappointed with it at the time. I didn't think much of it rewatching it to be honest.

dodderangler

Just aswell they made jp3 when they did. If they'd made it last year it's of been an iphone and it never would've been ringing after been in dino Shiite
Or a spinosaurus was doing selfies with it.

Happy birthday Ellie (Laura Dern's Bday today)


and mine

TheDoc

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

They clearly wanted to match the plot hole from the first film about where the feck that big chasm came from!

Real answer: I read somewhere that there was meant to be a scene where Raptors got onto the ship and killed the crew, then got eaten by the rex. It was scrapped and they stuck to just to having the T-Rex on the boat but somehow forgot about the dead crew.

Also read this. Was an absolutely "what the, how the?" A T-rex able to meander throughout tight hallways and rooms, without there being any exterior damage to the boat?

If I recall in the book

Grant the the kids spot dinosaurs on the boat that is heading out from the island. A large urgency from them getting back to contact with the rest of the characters is to warn them dinosaurs are on the boat, can't recall specifically if they were raptors or not. Maybe some epic mixup?

It was SO stupid, the whole film died a death when it went to the states unfortuantely. But I enjoy 2 and 3 for a viewing. I'd say I watch the trilogy once a year, always enjoy it.

syklops

recyclops wrote: »

i enjoyed the birdcage bit from 3, was my favourite bit of the book and really glad they managed to fit it in

I read the book after I saw JP1, and also really enjoyed that part and it was maybe the best part of JP3. *Note to self: Put JP on Kindle.

I recently watched The Lost World again, and I didn't think it was great the first time I saw it, I was quite disappointed with it at the time. I didn't think much of it rewatching it to be honest.

This is the problem with sequels. I enjoyed The Lost World. I read the book first, and enjoyed the book but the book had many faults. The movie was loosely based on the book but some artistic license was used and it improved, but it still had problems.

Jurassic Park, one of the highest grossing movies of all time. The Lost World, an enjoyable movie. JP3, load of ****e.

Not sure if its been done but might be an interesting thread. Sequels that were better than the original. The Wrath of Khan springs to mind.

TheDoc

syklops wrote: »

Not sure if its been done but might be an interesting thread. Sequels that were better than the original. The Wrath of Khan springs to mind.

I guess it would be down to subjective opinion.

While I adore Alien and Terminator, I've a personal preference for the sequels.

syklops

TheDoc wrote: »

I guess it would be down to subjective opinion.

99% of this forum is down to subjective opinion.

Wedwood

I always wonder why people get so worked up about plot holes on movies like Jurassic Park. It's a big dumb roller coaster ride, it's not supposed to be taken too seriously.

People who ponder plot holes, never seem to be able to enjoy the movies because of dissecting what after all is a fantasy movie.

Cookie_Monster

Wedwood wrote: »

I always wonder why people get so worked up about plot holes on movies like Jurassic Park. It's a big dumb roller coaster ride, it's not supposed to be taken too seriously.

People who ponder plot holes, never seem to be able to enjoy the movies because of dissecting what after all is a fantasy movie.

it doesn't matter if its a small plot hole in a quality movie but when you can fly the enterprise through the hole in an average movie it certainly deserves to be ripped apart. That the director / writers simply could not care enough to get around the plot hole in some format says a lot about the individual movie IMO

pah

syklops wrote: »

99% of this forum is down to subjective opinion.

Don't really agree with you there. Percentage is off IMO.

syklops

pah wrote: »

Don't really agree with you there. Percentage is off IMO.

By 1%?

pah

pah wrote: »

IMO.

Subjective???

SEANoftheDEAD

For years I have been waiting on a Dinosaur film or JP reboot that would be at least a 15 rating. This story would make an excellent Sci-Fi horror. It should be violent and gory.

Once I saw the kids in the trailer, all hope has been lost

Loughc

SEANoftheDEAD wrote: »

For years I have been waiting on a Dinosaur film or JP reboot that would be at least a 15 rating. This story would make an excellent Sci-Fi horror. It should be violent and gory.

Once I saw the kids in the trailer, all hope has been lost

The days of studios actively seeking 15 certs or higher are gone. There is more money to be made with PG-13, it makes selling the brand much easier as they have a larger market, e.g. toys, games, etc.

Terminator is a fine example of this.

househero

Loughc wrote: »

The days of studios actively seeking 15 certs or higher are gone. There is more money to be made with PG-13, it makes selling the brand much easier as they have a larger market, e.g. toys, games, etc.

Terminator is a fine example of this.

But R rated original films were the reason why they became cult, sequal spawning cash cows.

Falthyron

Well, I am glad they cleared that up. A load off my mind! Good to know predators appreciate the concept of mutual respect and understanding. :pac:

According to Chris Pratt's Jurassic World character Owen Grady, he isn't actually controlling the Jurassic universe's scariest breed of dinosaur. "I don't control the raptors, it's a relationship based on mutual respect," he says in the clip

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2015/04/09/jurassic-world-clip-explains-raptor-taming

Ridley

Falthyron wrote: »

Well, I am glad they cleared that up. A load off my mind! Good to know predators appreciate the concept of mutual respect and understanding. :pac:



http://ie.ign.com/articles/2015/04/09/jurassic-world-clip-explains-raptor-taming

"Didn't get 'em to do what I want. I let 'em to do what they want."

Not against Pratt being the Steve Irwin/Craig Busch type, personally.

Grays Sports Almanac

Falthyron wrote: »

Well, I am glad they cleared that up. A load off my mind! Good to know predators appreciate the concept of mutual respect and understanding. :pac:



http://ie.ign.com/articles/2015/04/09/jurassic-world-clip-explains-raptor-taming

That sounds terrible on the surface.

Though it mightn't be that bad in the context of the film/story.

brianregan09

I think the problem here is they did such a good job in the 1st film in making the Raptors genuinley scary and terrifying , they were even looked upon more viscious than the T-Rex so the whole taming angle is going to be a very hard sell to fans of the franchise

Gandalph

This movie would get my nod for the oscar if they just brought Tim back and had him eaten by a bunch of compys or something more painfully gruesome...hated that kid, most fruitless character of any movie ever. He's the reason I only gave the original a 9/10.

F**k Tim.

razorblunt

Gandalph wrote: »

This movie would get my nod for the oscar if they just brought Tim back and had him eaten by a bunch of compys or something more painfully gruesome...hated that kid, most fruitless character of any movie ever. He's the reason I only gave the original a 9/10.

F**k Tim.

.... and his action figure came with a gimpy leg for some reason, could never get him to stand up straight!

SEANoftheDEAD

razorblunt wrote: »

.... and his action figure came with a gimpy leg for some reason, could never get him to stand up straight!

Hahahahaha class post! Nostalgic and 100% true!

pixelburp

The latest trailer is up, and shows a lot more dinosaur action, along with shots and background of this new 'genetically modified' adversary. So I guess it's a spoiler'y trailer in some ways. I'm still really not sure what to think of this; the characterisation has looked pretty clichéd to a fault, and the amateur dino enthusiast does admit that the made-up dinosaur just seems ... needless!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJJrkyHas78

Angron

The raptor thing is still bugging me to be honest.

Sad Professor

Are wholly CGI creatures ever scary?

Falthyron

"We're talking about an animal here."
"A highly intelligent animal."

The end of the movie will involve Chris Pratt talking with the Newo-saurus about resolving the crisis with diplomacy and concessions - His three raptor buddies through their strong bond and relationship with Pratt's character will act as mediators.

Metacritic rating: <45.
User rating: <60.
Box office: 400-600 million.

I will say one thing for Jurassic Park though: it looks better than Terminator Genisys... :pac:

shazzerman

Sad Professor wrote: »

Are wholly CGI creatures ever scary?

No. And they've lost their ability to impress as well. This looks like it could be cheesy fun, nothing more. I have a sneaking suspicion Pratt is going to develop a reputation for being annoying if he continues to take on all these fantasy/sf-based films.

Outkast_IRE

Still has potential, i wont be watching any more trailers though as that one gave away way too many things for my liking. What the hell is wrong with a little mystery these days, going into the cinema not knowing exactly what to expect.

Sunny Dayz

Was at the cinema on Fri night (to see FF7) and they showed a trailer for Jurassic World. Looking forward to it.