RTE Radio 1 on 252!

AwaitYourReply · 22-12-2014 2:46am

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

No they didn't. They said that 198 would continue until the end of their charter (2017?) or until the valves were no longer available. After an "outcry", They bought up all available valves which may keep it going until about 2020.

You are now contradicting yourself - the point is the BBC Radio 4 LW service did not close because they were inundated with complaints so it was a U-Turn or rowback as they would have closed it sooner if they could. Remember this, the BBC went and bought up the valves to prolong the Radio 4 LW service not close it as soon as they would have preferred. I never said BBC Radio 4 LW 198KHz service will go on indefinitely as I am well aware of the rare precious valves lifespan from a documentary shown some time ago.

I am pleased RTÉ Radio 1 are not closing down the Longwave 252KHz service before 2017 - a lot could happen between now and then. As this is Ireland's national public service radio channel it should be as widely available as possible.

Greenman · 22-12-2014 11:04am

I for am very happy with the news. I just wish they would move to a clear channel and up the power.

Re Radio 4 on LW I think it was the British in France that were most vocal.

Fuzzy Clam · 22-12-2014 12:44pm

AwaitYourReply wrote: »

You are now contradicting yourself - the point is the BBC Radio 4 LW service did not close because they were inundated with complaints so it was a U-Turn or rowback as they would have closed it sooner if they could. Remember this, the BBC went and bought up the valves to prolong the Radio 4 LW service not close it as soon as they would have preferred. I never said BBC Radio 4 LW 198KHz service will go on indefinitely as I am well aware of the rare precious hvalves lifespan from a documentary shown some time ago.

I am pleased RTÉ Radio 1 are not closing down the Longwave 252KHz service before 2017 - a lot could happen between now and then. As this is Ireland's national public service radio channel it should be as widely available as possible.

I am not contradicting myself. You said they tried to close down 198.
They did not. They said once the charter was up, they would not invest any more money in keeping it going

Just for once, try getting the facts right.

end of the road · 22-12-2014 3:31pm

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

No they didn't. They said that 198 would continue until the end of their charter (2017?) or until the valves were no longer available. After an "outcry", They bought up all available valves which may keep it going until about 2020.

they still decided not to close it due to a public outcry so his point still stands

Fuzzy Clam · 22-12-2014 4:37pm

end of the road wrote: »

they still decided not to close it due to a public outcry so his point still stands

No.
They bought up all the existing valves which will/may extend the life.
There never was, as far as im aware, a date set for a switch off. Only that they were not going to invest any more money after 2017.
There is a world of difference between announcing the long term intentions (6+years) of the Corporation and actually setting a date.

end of the road · 22-12-2014 4:50pm

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

No.
They bought up all the existing valves which will/may extend the life.
There never was, as far as im aware, a date set for a switch off. Only that they were not going to invest any more money after 2017.
There is a world of difference between announcing the long term intentions (6+years) of the Corporation and actually setting a date.

they still didn't close it when they wanted to due to the public outcry

L1011 · 22-12-2014 5:01pm

end of the road wrote: »

they still didn't close it when they wanted to due to the public outcry

Are you even reading the posts you're replying to?

Fuzzy Clam · 22-12-2014 5:28pm

end of the road wrote: »

they still didn't close it when they wanted to due to the public outcry

I don't recall a public outcry. I do remember some dicussion on various forums at the time so ive done a quick search of the net.
I can see no evidence of an outcry.

Once again, facts are being altered/exaggerated to suit an agenda.

Radio_Fan_67 · 22-12-2014 6:01pm

Im sure the outcry being referred to is the one back around 1990. The world has moved on alot since then.

end of the road · 22-12-2014 6:05pm

L1011 wrote: »

Are you even reading the posts you're replying to?

i have to read them to reply. how am i going to decide what to write otherwise. have you anything constructive to add to the conversation?

end of the road · 22-12-2014 6:06pm

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

I don't recall a public outcry. I do remember some dicussion on various forums at the time so ive done a quick search of the net.
I can see no evidence of an outcry.

Once again, facts are being altered/exaggerated to suit an agenda.

you would know

end of the road · 22-12-2014 6:07pm

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

Im sure the outcry being referred to is the one back around 1990. The world has moved on alot since then.

well they didn't close it when they wanted to. thats it. the world hasn't moved on for those who rely on it even if the amount wasn't what it once was

Infoanon · 22-12-2014 6:25pm

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

No.
They bought up all the existing valves which will/may extend the life.
There never was, as far as im aware, a date set for a switch off. Only that they were not going to invest any more money after 2017.
There is a world of difference between announcing the long term intentions (6+years) of the Corporation and actually setting a date.

Cricket ! There was an outcry when Auntie wanted to move the coverage off LW, afaik BBC have no formal plans to close the Long Wave service.

IMHO RTE should retain Long Wave at full power (!) and move their radio services back to wide beam on Astra.

There has been a lot of misinformation about the closure of LW, at the end of the day it cannot be switched off until the DAB service is available nationally - which of course needs to be funded.

Radio_Fan_67 · 22-12-2014 6:30pm

Infoanon wrote: »

Cricket ! There was an outcry when Auntie wanted to move the coverage off LW, afaik BBC have no formal plans to close the Long Wave service.

IMHO RTE should retain Long Wave at full power (!) and move their radio services back to wide beam on Astra.

There has been a lot of misinformation about the closure of LW, at the end of the day it cannot be switched off until the DAB service is available nationally - which of course needs to be funded.

What has longwave got to do with DAB ? 100% of the "outcry" was about people in the united kingdom and mainland Europe losing RTE Radio 1.

Infoanon · 22-12-2014 6:44pm

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

What has longwave got to do with DAB ? 100% of the "outcry" was about people in the united kingdom and mainland Europe losing RTE Radio 1.

RTE Radio 1 Extra.

The 100% comment is 100% wrong.

L1011 · 22-12-2014 7:17pm

end of the road wrote: »

i have to read them to reply. how am i going to decide what to write otherwise. have you anything constructive to add to the conversation?

You seem to have got it in to your head that the BBC "wanted" to close LW when nothing of the sort actually existed; and you keep writing virtually identical posts based on that misassumption, even when that post is correcting you. This is why I have to assume you're not reading most of what you reply to.

end of the road · 22-12-2014 7:45pm

L1011 wrote: »

You seem to have got it in to your head that the BBC "wanted" to close LW when nothing of the sort actually existed; and you keep writing virtually identical posts based on that misassumption, even when that post is correcting you.

not at all. over the years the BBC have considered closing the LW service. thats it.

L1011 wrote: »

This is why I have to assume you're not reading most of what you reply to.

well i couldn't care a less what you think. if i don't read a post i can't reply to it. but frankly its irrelevant to the conversation, so have you anything constructive to say rather then making irrelevant comments about people?

L1011 · 22-12-2014 7:54pm

end of the road wrote: »

not at all. over the years the BBC have considered closing the LW service. thats it.

"considered" and "wanted" are two VERY different things.

end of the road wrote: »

well i couldn't care a less what you think. if i don't read a post i can't reply to it. but frankly its irrelevant to the conversation, so have you anything constructive to say rather then making irrelevant comments about people?

Someone making serially inaccurate claims is very much relevant to be called out on.

Radio_Fan_67 · 22-12-2014 8:14pm

Infoanon wrote: »

RTE Radio 1 Extra.

The 100% comment is 100% wrong.

There is nothing on longwave that doesn't go out on FM anymore apart from Mass, They could easily put the Mass on one of the FM networks if there was a demand for it.

end of the road · 22-12-2014 8:16pm

L1011 wrote: »

"considered" and "wanted" are two VERY different things.

Someone making serially inaccurate claims is very much relevant to be called out on.

i did not make any serially inaccurate claims so nothing to be called out on. move on

end of the road · 22-12-2014 8:19pm

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

There is nothing on longwave that doesn't go out on FM anymore apart from Mass, They could easily put the Mass on one of the FM networks if there was a demand for it.

what fm network. having it on the longwave which can easily target the irish in britain is the best way. compared to some of the things RTE have spent money on over the years that didn't bare fruit, this is something worth spending the money to keep it on air until such time as suitable easy to use technology is fully and widely availible.

Radio_Fan_67 · 22-12-2014 8:29pm

end of the road wrote: »

what fm network. having it on the longwave which can easily target the irish in britain is the best way. compared to some of the things RTE have spent money on over the years that didn't bare fruit, this is something worth spending the money to keep it on air until such time as suitable easy to use technology is fully and widely availible.

Not another deluded Digital Radio Mondiale fanatic

Fuzzy Clam · 22-12-2014 8:43pm

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

There is nothing on longwave that doesn't go out on FM anymore apart from Mass, They could easily put the Mass on one of the FM networks if there was a demand for it.

If thats the case, then Lyric would seem to be the ideal place for Mass.

end of the road · 22-12-2014 8:44pm

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

Not another deluded Digital Radio Mondiale fanatic

impossible to be deluded as i never even mentioned Digital Radio Mondiale. so i'd suggest you keep your silly little failed insultes to yourself. good man.

Radio_Fan_67 · 22-12-2014 8:46pm

end of the road wrote: »

what fm network. having it on the longwave which can easily target the irish in britain is the best way. compared to some of the things RTE have spent money on over the years that didn't bare fruit, this is something worth spending the money to keep it on air until such time as suitable easy to use technology is fully and widely availible.

and anyway i was responding to a poster who was claiming that the lack of DAB radio coverage in the republic of ireland was going to disadvantage longwave listeners.

end of the road · 22-12-2014 8:48pm

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

and anyway i was responding to a poster who was claiming that the lack of DAB radio coverage in the republic of ireland was going to disadvantage longwave listeners.

you wrote what you wrote in reply to my post. no point in backtracking now

Radio_Fan_67 · 22-12-2014 8:55pm

end of the road wrote: »

you wrote what you wrote in reply to my post. no point in backtracking now

Yep it did read like you were hinting at Digital Radio Mondiale. apologies if i was wrong.

L1011 · 22-12-2014 9:28pm

end of the road wrote: »

i did not make any serially inaccurate claims so nothing to be called out on. move on

Yes, you did. You have repeatedly said the BBC "wanted" to close down longwave, when this hasn't happened.

You are confusing reality with your opinion on something.

total former · 22-12-2014 9:29pm

end of the road wrote: »

impossible to be deluded as i never even mentioned Digital Radio Mondiale. so i'd suggest you keep your silly little failed insultes to yourself. good man.

Just out of interest, what suitable technology did you mean, if not DRM? If neither satellite nor internet are a solution, I don't see where they can go from here.

end of the road · 22-12-2014 9:36pm

L1011 wrote: »

Yes, you did.

no, i didn't.

L1011 wrote: »

You have repeatedly said the BBC "wanted" to close down longwave, when this hasn't happened.

they do wish to close it eventually. just because it hasn't happened so far doesn't make it less true. the reason they haven't closed it is because people rely on it and it is politically sensitive, + its other uses.

L1011 wrote: »

You are confusing reality with your opinion on something.

wrong. no i'm not.

L1011 · 22-12-2014 9:38pm

end of the road wrote: »

they do wish to close it eventually. just because it hasn't happened so far doesn't make it less true. the reason they haven't closed it is because people rely on it and it is politically sensitive, + its other uses.

Prove it.

All they've said is they can't keep the current TX running indefinitely.

end of the road wrote: »

wrong. no i'm not.

You've done this all thread. Starting from your opinion of someone being "entitled" to something was turned in to a decree that they were entitled, and so on.

Your opinions are opinions - not facts. Stop presenting them as such.

end of the road · 22-12-2014 9:51pm

L1011 wrote: »

Prove it.

i'm not going to waste my time.

L1011 wrote: »

All they've said is they can't keep the current TX running indefinitely.

right so.

L1011 wrote: »

You've done this all thread.

i haven't.

L1011 wrote: »

Starting from your opinion of someone being "entitled" to something was turned in to a decree that they were entitled, and so on.

wrong again.

L1011 wrote: »

Your opinions are opinions - not facts.

how do you know what they are or aren't.

L1011 wrote: »

Stop presenting them as such.

no i won't, because i haven't being doing any such thing. you don't get to tell me what to do. especially as you are the one twisting things.

L1011 · 22-12-2014 9:54pm

end of the road wrote: »

i'm not going to waste my time.

Because it is, again, your opinion and that's all.

You cannot go declaring your opinion as fact - repeatedly - and then try to claim its off-topic when you're told you're wrong.

You're still doing it - insisting that your opinion on entitlement is fact. Its not, its your opinion. You really, really need to begin to understand this concept.

Radio_Fan_67 · 22-12-2014 10:35pm

Far too much bickering in this thread. At the end of the day, all we can do now is wait until 2016-2017 and see what happens.

end of the road · 22-12-2014 10:36pm

L1011 wrote: »

Because it is, again, your opinion and that's all.

is it?

L1011 wrote: »

You cannot go declaring your opinion as fact - repeatedly - and then try to claim its off-topic when you're told you're wrong.

i haven't. you can't go around making up stuff and twisting peoples points and disrupting.

L1011 wrote: »

ou're still doing it - insisting that your opinion on entitlement is fact.

no, i'm not.

L1011 wrote: »

Its not, its your opinion.

you don't seem to know what it is . i'd suggest you give up.

L1011 wrote: »

You really, really need to begin to understand this concept.

i all ready do. you don't get to tell me what i understand and don't, only i know what i do and don't understand. now as i said, move on

L1011 · 22-12-2014 10:42pm

end of the road wrote: »

you can't go around making up stuff and twisting peoples points and disrupting.

Where, precisely, has this happened?

total former · 22-12-2014 11:05pm

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

Far too much bickering in this thread. At the end of the day, all we can do now is wait until 2016-2017 and see what happens.

But what can possibly happen? LW isn't going to stage a miraculous comeback, elderly expats aren't going to become any more tech savvy. So what's going to change by 2017?

Are we going to wait, as Brian D'Arcy suggests, until enough old people die and it's not as much of an issue?

AwaitYourReply · 22-12-2014 11:31pm

L1011 wrote: »

Yes, you did. You have repeatedly said the BBC "wanted" to close down longwave, when this hasn't happened.

You are confusing reality with your opinion on something.

The BBC have been attempting to shut the BBC Radio 4 on LW 198KHz frequency for quite some time. They have tested the reaction by making their intentions known on Radio 4 LW (LongWave) and after many complaints were received they were later forced to reassure listeners (particularly those who were likely to be adversely affected by such a move) that it "signalled the beginning of the move away from it" and it has a few years to run on LW yet. Most intelligent people know that this would have happened much sooner only because the complaints received raised valid concerns for those who would have been most negatively affected.

Below are a few samples of media coverage around 2011 on the matter:

http://www.u.tv/News/Radio-4-controller-reassures-listeners-over-stations-future/9d3dd4eb-0eac-46ed-af96-6a057c0bbfe2

http://www.newstatesman.com/broadcast/2011/10/long-wave-radio-service-bbc

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bbcs-test-match-special-faces-84681

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio4/posts/radio_4s_longwave_transmitter_and_cuts_to_bbc_radio

http://www.ex-bbc.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1318238625

AwaitYourReply · 22-12-2014 11:34pm

The latest time frame for RTÉ Radio One going off on LW 252KHz is now apparently May, 2017

Fuzzy Clam · 23-12-2014 12:14am

AwaitYourReply wrote: »

The BBC have been attempting to shut the BBC Radio 4 on LW 198KHz frequency for quite some time. They have tested the reaction by making their intentions known on Radio 4 LW (LongWave) and after many complaints were received they were later forced to reassure listeners (particularly those who were likely to be adversely affected by such a move) that it "signalled the beginning of the move away from it" and it has a few years to run on LW yet. Most intelligent people know that this would have happened much sooner only because the complaints received raised valid concerns for those who would have been most negatively affected.

Below are a few samples of media coverage around 2011 on the matter:

http://www.u.tv/News/Radio-4-controller-reassures-listeners-over-stations-future/9d3dd4eb-0eac-46ed-af96-6a057c0bbfe2

http://www.newstatesman.com/broadcast/2011/10/long-wave-radio-service-bbc

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bbcs-test-match-special-faces-84681

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio4/posts/radio_4s_longwave_transmitter_and_cuts_to_bbc_radio

http://www.ex-bbc.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1318238625

The Mirror article is just sensationalist nonsense.

Another link is just an article explaining about the valves and another link is merely a message board which is quoting the article about valves.

Nothing new to see there.
When i did a search earlier to see if i had missed all the "public outcry", those were what i found along with Digital Spy posts. Didnt thankfully come across the silly Mirror link.

Fuzzy Clam · 23-12-2014 12:16am

AwaitYourReply wrote: »

The latest time frame for RTÉ Radio One going off on LW 252KHz is now apparently May, 2017

See you again then so

AwaitYourReply · 23-12-2014 1:32am

If we don't meet on a similar thread on this very topic between now and May 2017, then we may otherwise get to debate in other thread topic on another broadcasting issue

L1011 · 23-12-2014 8:59am

AwaitYourReply wrote: »

The BBC have been attempting to shut the BBC Radio 4 on LW 198KHz frequency for quite some time. They have tested the reaction by making their intentions known on Radio 4 LW (LongWave) and after many complaints were received they were later forced to reassure listeners (particularly those who were likely to be adversely affected by such a move) that it "signalled the beginning of the move away from it" and it has a few years to run on LW yet. Most intelligent people know that this would have happened much sooner only because the complaints received raised valid concerns for those who would have been most negatively affected.

Below are a few samples of media coverage around 2011 on the matter:

http://www.u.tv/News/Radio-4-controller-reassures-listeners-over-stations-future/9d3dd4eb-0eac-46ed-af96-6a057c0bbfe2

http://www.newstatesman.com/broadcast/2011/10/long-wave-radio-service-bbc

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bbcs-test-match-special-faces-84681

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio4/posts/radio_4s_longwave_transmitter_and_cuts_to_bbc_radio

http://www.ex-bbc.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1318238625

No - they've been stating the not indefinite life of the transmitter - which is what I said and what the reliable links there say too.

There's even specific quotes in those articles saying they don't want to close it!

Radio_Fan_67 · 23-12-2014 1:06pm

Maybe RTE and us skeptics were wrong and maybe RTE 252 does have 1000s rather than 100s of listeners in the uk ?

Radio_Fan_67 · 23-12-2014 11:47pm

I wonder why RTE waited untill this year to close longwave ? They would have gotten away with it easier back around 2011-2012 when the country didn't have a pot to piss in.

Infoanon · 24-12-2014 12:28am

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

I wonder why RTE waited untill this year to close longwave ? They would have gotten away with it easier back around 2011-2012 when the country didn't have a pot to piss in.

Think you have answered your own question thereðŸŽ…

pixbyjohn · 24-12-2014 1:18am

Infoanon wrote: »

Think you have answered your own question thereðŸŽ…

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AwaitYourReply · 24-12-2014 8:17pm

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

Maybe RTE and us skeptics were wrong and maybe RTE 252 does have 1000s rather than 100s of listeners in the uk ?

I honestly do not know if there is any independent reliable source of audience figures available for those who listen regularly to the Radio 1 via LW 252KHz service in the UK. One would hope that the final decision regarding the latest proposed close down of LW 252, which is now scheduled to take place in May 2017, is made based on highly accurate information.

Wishing you all a very Happy Christmas and all the best for 2015!

shaunandelly · 27-12-2014 11:44pm

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

It would be very interesting to know how many people actually listen to longwave 252 in the uk and how often they listen.

Pretty much every day for 20 years. Holidays and 567am excepted.

AwaitYourReply · 28-12-2014 1:50am

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

I wonder why RTE waited untill this year to close longwave ? They would have gotten away with it easier back around 2011-2012 when the country didn't have a pot to piss in.

The DG of RTÉ, Noel Curran mentioned something about a special focus group examining various cost saving measures across the entire RTÉ organisation which includes the possibility of putting either all or part of the RTÉ Montrose Campus Headquarters on the market and looking at any other assets of notable value too. This report became more urgent in nature due to the current government's decision to kick the so called new "Broadcasting Charge" concept off the agenda.

Perhaps the fast tracking of the shut down of RTÉ Radio One on Longwave 252KHz announced publicly last September may have been just one of several items contained in an interim report of cost saving measures.

I would not be surprised if other cutbacks are announced in other areas too in due course.

RTE Radio 1 on 252!

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