Why where ALL headshops products banned?

nomnomnom

generalmental wrote: »

So tell me when you bought that half ounce of weed off "Rasher", did he give you your certificate of purity, or did he neglect to tell you that there MIGHT be some glass in it to make up the weght. But it will get ya mad outta it.

Jayzus do you know Rasher too ?

Hes pure mad he is .

Logical Fallacy

Rezident wrote: »

You can still get it all in the UK so clearly it's not really dangerous. It's bizarre that in Ireland we rapidly ban this stuff and yet what Michael Fingleton and Sean Fitzpatrick et al did is seemingly perfectly legal.

Ireland confounds me - I wasn't allowed buy Nurofen Plus from the chemist recently because it was for a hangover but when I ask for it in Boots in the UK, there's no problem. If it's between the combined medical knowledge of the UK or Ireland, then I'm going to have to side with the UK on this one. So I just stock up on everything I need everytime I'm over in the UK.

The only ones losing out are the Irish Revenue, Irish retailers etc. just when we need the extra revenue most.

Tee hee hee, an opiate to cure your hangover.

Awesome.

mackg

generalmental wrote: »

Still a bit too early for that my friend

aye...but not long to go;)

generalmental

Helix wrote: »

thats rubbish for the most part. it simply doesnt pay to kill your customers and even the most retarded of drug dealers will know that

Ha ha ha ha, there is always a new customer. they dont care if you die or not all they want is YOUR money

Capt'n Midnight

starbelgrade wrote: »

That's nothing - I make all my own clothes, including shoes & boots from a mixture of heroin, speed & ground up coffee beans.

I'm guessing there is also cannibas in the mix

generalmental

mackg wrote: »

aye...but not long to go;)

Oh dont i just know.

My Mother lives approx 15 mins walk from a great field only problem is Joe(possibly not real name) with his shotgun

mackg

generalmental wrote: »

Oh dont i just know.

My Mother lives approx 15 mins walk from a great field only problem is Joe(possibly not real name) with his shotgun

http://www.ghilliesuit.co.uk/?gclid=CMeLzOKSm6oCFUwc4QodlE9Jyw

generalmental

But the fact that there was €500k found in one of the headshops that burned down just proves to me that there is a massive appetite for the drugs like cannabis,xtc,speed,lsd. and if made properly are well more safe than the devils lemonade.

Dont see why we cant legalise the drugs like cannabis,xtc,speed,lsd, the country would make so much money we could be out of this recession in 5 years and be able to build plenty of health centres for the people who end up getting fooked up, as these people are gonna get fuc.ked up wheter it is legal or not.

RichieC

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Our Government has always been....

It's the idiot citizens that allow this whole charade to go on.

generalmental

mackg wrote: »

http://www.ghilliesuit.co.uk/?gclid=CMeLzOKSm6oCFUwc4QodlE9Jyw

Fell around laughing when i saw that one, but for me it all starts when you are running away from him down a massive hill and you have somehow managed to bring someone new with ya and the look on his/her face as they are tripping balls and you see the tears slowly dripping down their face thinking "its just not worth dying for".....ITS PRICELESS.

Anyhow joe is about 853 million years old and thinks we are trying to rob his sheep, we love his sheep they are the gods of the fields

mackg

hirobert2 wrote: »

maybe it is wrongly

Laisurg

generalmental wrote: »

So tell me when you bought that half ounce of weed off "Rasher", did he give you your certificate of purity, or did he neglect to tell you that there MIGHT be some glass in it to make up the weght. But it will get ya mad outta it.

There's many ways to tell if somethings mixed in with it, the ash test being the most simple. As well as the taste, it'll taste very off usually if somethings mixed in with it.

To be honest i don't think the headshop drugs were that naff really since no one dropped dead, regardless of what joe duffy and his army of old biddys and gob****es would have you believe.

Glass contamination is also very rare thankfully. Smoking fiber glass doesn't take long to show up and even though the vast majority of dealers these days are scum of the earth they want to keep their customers.

Lemsiper

nomnomnom wrote: »

True , these are still going http://www.headshopireland.com

http://mephedronewholesale.com

Not even these type of places and I'm pretty sure some of what they seel is not legal in Ireland anymore.

W.Shakes-Beer

Oh Christ not the headshops again.

Wile E. Coyote

Haven't read the full thread but...

1. It's ecstasy!!! Not extacy.
2. 2010 called and they want their thread back.

You claim they're not something that would destroy lives but you only took two and appear to have missed a whole year.

Rachiee

plenty of lives have been ruined I know someone who lost their leg using snow blow and someone else who is up for attempted murder after going on a mad one with head shop stuff also know someone else who attempted suicide and did serious self harm and lost their accomodation after using head shop stuff

if extreme violence, lost limbs, and attempted suicide and street homelessness doesnt have the potential to ruin lives I dont know what does.

But if you really miss it that much OP you can buy it online I'd recommend you do a bit of research into what you're taking though it is seriously dangerous

Wile E. Coyote

Rachiee wrote: »

plenty of lives have been ruined I know someone who lost there leg using snow blow

You sure that wasn't a snow plow?:p

ScumLord

generalmental wrote: »

Ha ha ha ha, there is always a new customer. they dont care if you die or not all they want is YOUR money

Just like any other business operating in the monetary system. Coca Cola would put cocaine in your drink if they could get away with it. All they want is your money too.

Rachiee wrote: »

plenty of lives have been ruined I know someone who lost their leg using snow blow and someone else who is up for attempted murder after going on a mad one with head shop stuff also know someone else who attempted suicide and did serious self harm and lost their accomodation after using head shop stuff

if extreme violence, lost limbs, and attempted suicide and street homelessness doesnt have the potential to ruin lives I dont know what does.

That's a pretty extreme story there, did someone lose their leg doing snow or doing something stupid on snow? I don't accept people blaming drugs for doing stupid stuff.

Rachiee

Rezident wrote: »

Ireland confounds me - I wasn't allowed buy Nurofen Plus from the chemist recently because it was for a hangover.

codeine is a highly addictive, powerful painkiller I dont see why you would take it for a hangover I agree with the regulations around codeine as I know several people who were addicted to it getting it for free on their medical cards off useless GPs and their lives were extremely adversely affected by their addiction that said If i was the pharmacist id of sold it to you anyway after explaining how you were being silly

AeoNGriM

LighterGuy wrote: »

See, the topic of headshops is a varied argument. With lots of points made.

For me, I dont do drugs. But if some person wants to ... its their choice. Their life. I dont have an issue. But i've never actually thought of the whole headshop debate before (obviously not being interested in it)

So look at the pros and cons.

pros:
- Allows people to buy and take what they want. we are all adults after all. Sure as long as "over 18s" is enforced. A persons choice.

cons:
- We are making drug dealers legit.
- Alot of negitives can come from this, people can legally be spaced out of their head. Which in turn could increase crime and violence.

Im sure there are other things... its not so straight forward.

1: Publicans and Off License owners are legit drug dealers
2: Drunk people are legally spaced out of their head and increase crime and violence

Problem, society's norms?

AeoNGriM

Rezident wrote: »

You can still get it all in the UK so clearly it's not really dangerous. It's bizarre that in Ireland we rapidly ban this stuff and yet what Michael Fingleton and Sean Fitzpatrick et al did is seemingly perfectly legal.

Ireland confounds me - I wasn't allowed buy Nurofen Plus from the chemist recently because it was for a hangover but when I ask for it in Boots in the UK, there's no problem. If it's between the combined medical knowledge of the UK or Ireland, then I'm going to have to side with the UK on this one. So I just stock up on everything I need everytime I'm over in the UK.

The only ones losing out are the Irish Revenue, Irish retailers etc. just when we need the extra revenue most.

Why would you take painkillers for a hangover? The reason your head hurts is because of dehydration, scoff a fry-up and drink gallons of water!

Rachiee

she lost her leg injecting it (shes only in her twenties) people try injecting to get a stronger hit (more common than you would think) unfortunately it doesnt dissolve well when cooked and clots then once in your system, I know a lot of people who developed clots this way also very dangerous if a clot moves to your heart or lung you could die. There was a heroin drought for long time last year to get through this a lot of drug addicts turned to the head shop stuff it caused major problems the reason it didnt come up in the arguement is cause teenagers werent banging it and everyone was worried about them nobody cared about the drug addicts people they never do

ScumLord

Rachiee wrote: »

she lost her leg injecting it (shes only in her twenties) people try injecting to get a stronger hit (more common than you would think)

On what planet?!! I've never heard any injecting headshop stuff, I thought it was stupid enough taking them horrible knock off highs but injecting the things?

People who inject drugs are not recreational users their drug addicts and not in the same headspace as a recreational user.

Ray Palmer

Rachiee wrote: »

There was a heroin drought for long time last year to get through this a lot of drug addicts turned to the head shop stuff it caused major problems the reason it didnt come up in the arguement is cause teenagers werent banging it and everyone was worried about them nobody cared about the drug addicts people they never do

Intravenous drug users often loose limbs and get infections. Her lost leg was not really a result of the head shop. It just happened to be the item that made her lose her leg. Being a heroin user with what is on the streets is likely to be the main cause of a death rather than the drug itself.

Pretty poor reason to ban the products.

Everybody knows it was a knee jerk reaction based on ill informed public reaction. I know bank mangers, Gardai, doctors, lawyers etc... who were regular drug users who turned out fine. Some people assume once somebody uses drugs they become addicts or mentally deranged. The facts just simply don't support that.

Prohibition has never worked and there is actual proof of its failure but people ignore it.

wonderfulname

Yeah it was a knee jerk reaction but that doesn't automatically make the headshop products fine and dandy.
Yes we now know that responsible usage of clean drugs is pretty much harmless, but that doesn't say anything for the headshop stuff either.
Yes, Joe Duffy can always be assumed to be wrong, but that doesn't automatically make the exact opposite right.

There's a lot of funny assumptions being made here.

Spunge

Rachiee wrote: »

codeine is a highly addictive, powerful painkiller I dont see why you would take it for a hangover I agree with the regulations around codeine as I know several people who were addicted to it getting it for free on their medical cards off useless GPs and their lives were extremely adversely affected by their addiction that said If i was the pharmacist id of sold it to you anyway after explaining how you were being silly

hangover make you feel bad.
codeine make you feel good.

F.U.B.A.R

I thought the reason for headshops closing was that ingredents used in headshop products were banned under european law but sure feck em and good risence. I didnt mind that they had a marjawana substitute but when you start making substitutes ecstacy heroin and cocaine you should be shot

F.U.B.A.R

Also THERE IS NO DESTINCTION BETWEEN RECREATIONAL USERS AND ADDICTS!!!! You all on perpouse commit self harm with illegal substances! And before I'am givin the "its legal in..." speach its only legal for people with cronic painful ilness and injuries and either way it aint legal here!

Ray Palmer

F.U.B.A.R wrote: »

I thought the reason for headshops closing was that ingredents used in headshop products were banned under european law but sure feck em and good risence. I didnt mind that they had a marjawana substitute but when you start making substitutes ecstacy heroin and cocaine you should be shot

No only in Ireland with sentence harder than possession of much harder drugs or even kiddy porn.
Plus they have another law on hold that effectively means if something else becomes popular they will bring it into play which will basically ban selling anything that could be used or suggests use of substances that get you high.

It is quite well played by the government but give it another year and see what happens. They still can't detect stuff in the post and new stuff is coming out soon apparently.

AhSureTisGrand

I think someone has the right to take drugs even if it causes them to grow gills and and a third nipple