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Paracetamol tablets - Boots UK/Ireland

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    #32
    Skopzz
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    TOMP wrote: »
    Bought some tablets recently in UK and compared to Ireland

    Cheapest paracetamol in Boots UK - pack of 16 tablets for 16p !!! (Boots value range)

    Cheapest paracetamol in Boots Ireland - pack of 12 tablets for €1.49

    Complete rip off

    • ASDA Paracetamol capsules (16): GBP 0.36 (EUR 0.41).
    Capsules are generally more effective than solid dosage forms because they help bypass gastric juices that otherwise hinder the painkilling effect.

    The 12 tablets for EUR1.49 are solid dosage type, so you are not only getting less value for money but also you are getting a less reliable mode of dosage form to quench the pain.


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    #33
    Meteoric
    Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Meteoric


    Only medicines that are authorised by IMB or centrally or in a decentralised application (several european markets at the same time) can be sold in pharmacies here, we are a tiny market and the margin of profit on generics is small. Holding a license has an ongoing cost, so for a lot of generics manufacturers it is not worth their while offering their product in our market. All the government could do is offer financial incentives which kind of defeats the purpose of costing less money. The IMB do their bit in trying to make costs more affordable where they can and being willing to act as the main assessor (RMS) when an application is put into several European markets at the same time.
    It's market forces, no-one can persuade a manufacturer to make a loss just so four and a half million people can get cheaper drugs.


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    #34
    Skopzz
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    Meteoric wrote: »
    Only medicines that are authorised by IMB or centrally or in a decentralised application (several european markets at the same time) can be sold in pharmacies here, we are a tiny market and the margin of profit on generics is small. Holding a license has an ongoing cost, so for a lot of generics manufacturers it is not worth their while offering their product in our market. All the government could do is offer financial incentives which kind of defeats the purpose of costing less money. The IMB do their bit in trying to make costs more affordable where they can and being willing to act as the main assessor (RMS) when an application is put into several European markets at the same time.
    It's market forces, no-one can persuade a manufacturer to make a loss just so four and a half million people can get cheaper drugs.

    Stop making excuses. We are NOT a tiny market because other smaller countries than us can sell painkillers at cheaper prices. Pharmacists want bigger salaries so they decide to sell big brand drugs and then come along with lame excuses to detract from the fact they are simply greedy. I hope the Government increases tax on Pharmacists in the budget.


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    #35
    maxer68
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    Skopzz wrote: »
    Stop making excuses. We are NOT a tiny market because other smaller countries than us can sell painkillers at cheaper prices. Pharmacists want bigger salaries so they decide to sell big brand drugs and then come along with lame excuses to detract from the fact they are simply greedy. I hope the Government increases tax on Pharmacists in the budget.

    AGAIN - care to back your statements up with even a smidgen of evidence?

    Just one tiny tiny bit of evidence please.

    Yes, we are a small market, a tiny market and one that really should not have to have our own regulatory system when there's a perfectly good one in the UK which we could piggy back on.


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    #36
    maxer68
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    Skopzz wrote: »
    As usual, the greedy Pharmacists like to blame someone else with excuses (IMB or EMEA). These Pharmacists never sell generic brand names because they can make bigger profits by stocking big brands.

    Remember the Community Drugs Scheme that Irish Pharmacists were forced to lower their predatory prices on?

    The pharmacists are NOT ALLOWED to sell any products that do not have a certificate from the IMB. - If they do, they can be charged with a criminal offence.

    Again - more unsubstantiated BS from Skopzz (Fast food & currency expert and now pharmacy retail expert)


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    #37
    foggy_lad
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    wmpdd3 wrote: »
    i order form a British Pharmacy online, I have saved a fortune:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71770181&postcount=31

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71770181

    Afaik it is illegal to buy even paracetamol online and have it posted to your address.


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    #38
    vosterburg
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    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Afaik it is illegal to buy even paracetamol online and have it posted to your address.

    Foggy_lad - do you know what fines the IMB can impose? I know for a fact they are clamping medicines imported to Ire. Not worth it if you are caught.


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    #39
    Skopzz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Skopzz


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Afaik it is illegal to buy even paracetamol online and have it posted to your address.

    I did it recently. Customs obviously did not check it but I am not advocating for/against.


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    Skopzz
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    maxer68 wrote: »
    AGAIN - care to back your statements up with even a smidgen of evidence?

    Just one tiny tiny bit of evidence please.

    Yes, we are a small market, a tiny market and one that really should not have to have our own regulatory system when there's a perfectly good one in the UK which we could piggy back on.


    The EMEA can govern us. We do not want to become a colony of Britain again. Ireland is NOT a tiny market because other countries like Cyprus with 871,000 people pay less for Painkillers than we do in Ireland.


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    #41
    Skopzz
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    vosterburg wrote: »
    Foggy_lad - do you know what fines the IMB can impose? I know for a fact they are clamping medicines imported to Ire. Not worth it if you are caught.

    There are no criminal proceedings unless its a class A type drug (or elicit drugs). They only confiscate and destroy them if its a medicinal product. It's only if they intercept you smuggling or importing bulk quantities into this country; in which case they will prosecute you with fines and/or incarceration.

    The reason some people buy medicinal products online is because they have to pay up to EUR70.00 just to get a piece of paper from a Doctor to present to their Pharmacist when they are buying a prescribed medicine in Ireland.

    BTW, the IMB are known to be the most conservative regulatory agency in the EU. They have banned drugs here with no reasonable basis other than their personal opinions. The IMB are closely incompetent.

    Furthermore, certain topical creams as well as anti depressants, etc can be openly purchased over in the counter in other EU countries like Spain.

    If Irish Pharmacists get their way, we will soon need a prescription to buy painkillers.


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    #42
    Skopzz
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    maxer68 wrote: »
    The pharmacists are NOT ALLOWED to sell any products that do not have a certificate from the IMB. - If they do, they can be charged with a criminal offence.

    Again - more unsubstantiated BS from Skopzz (Fast food & currency expert and now pharmacy retail expert)

    Don't expect it to feed to you automatically. That's why we all have the power of reason and knowledge - albeit how these are developed among people differs greatly. Any piece of information you receive from anywhere would be inherently biased anyway. If you're looking for a truly unbiased piece of work in print, you won't likely find it.

    Irish Pharmacists said the same about the morning-after pill until Boots made it available without prescription to Irish patients in February. Looks like a closely guarded monopoly among Irish Pharmacists and the IMB.

    These greedy pi#s are screwing the Irish consumer while the Government just stands on the sidelines.


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    #43
    davo10
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2011/1001/1224305065821.html

    Skopzz, you just can't help yourself as usual. Just read your sectarian post on another thread, how the moderators haven't banned you for this is beyond me, never mind the ill-informed trash you come out with on threads like this. Do your research before you post, you are just making yourself look silly.


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    #44
    username123
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    vosterburg wrote: »
    Foggy_lad - do you know what fines the IMB can impose? I know for a fact they are clamping medicines imported to Ire. Not worth it if you are caught.

    If customs catch you is they ask you to name the site you bought from and how you heard of it. Then they write to you telling you they are destroying the medication and if youve an issue with that to contact them.

    Theyre far more interested in chasing the vendor, stopping the website shipping to ireland than prosecuting some granny who thought it best to buy her ponstan online because her pension didnt stretch to Irish prices.

    Under the Irish Medicines Board Act 1995-2006 it is illegal to supply prescription medication through the internet. Those who buy it online are not breaking the law, but risk the items being seized by the board, which monitors the supply of such medicines.


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    #45
    Meteoric
    Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Meteoric


    I should not feed the troll but if you think the IMB are the most conservative regulatory agency in Europe you have clearly not had any dealings with any of them. They are far more reasonable than a lot of the others without putting people at risk (in my experience)
    Yes ideally drugs should be regulated centrally for all of the EU but the EMEA through the volume of applications and existing licences prefers to deal with the New drugs not generics, they tend not to entertain an application for a drug that has been on the market for years, such applications have to go the national route (applying to each country separately) or a decentralised application to several European countries at the same time. The IMB do their bit in terms of dealing with such applications efficiently so the drug will also be marketed in Ireland as well as Britain, France and Germany (the big markets)
    The less you pay for a drug the less the profit margin is but the manufacturer still has to maintain the highest standards and that costs money.
    and if it comes to regulators banning drugs on opinion only consider that the MHRA (Britain) have banned Bonjela for children on the basis that the active ingredient is a bit like aspirin, the IMB looked at the evidence and saw there were no reported cases of Reyes and have it under consideration


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    #46
    Skopzz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Skopzz


    The EMEA treats drugs that have a proven track record as safe because of extensively available scientific research on these drugs and weighs any reported adverse effects that may have occurred previous. In a decentralized procedure, the company assigns one EU Regulatory agency to assess the quality, safety and efficacy of the medication and if approved, the other member states (Ireland in this case) accepts their reasoned scientific basis for approving it. There is no preference and the EMEA are properly staffed to handle the volume of applicants.


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