Injured A/R/T Boardsies Support Thread

Bally8

So sorry to hear that gerard, hope that's a worst case scenario that doesnt happen. Would you consider swimming or cycling to keep fitness levels up while recovering?

theboyblunder

gerard65 wrote: »

@pgmcpq, good news/bad news:(.
I'm still struggling with my achilles. Still not right. I thought it was doing well but an increase from 2 mile runs to 3 mile runs caused it to start getting sore again. I'm now doing run/walk 3 or 4 times a week just to keep some level of fitness. No light at the end of the tunnel and at this stage 2012 looks like a write-off. I've been warned a few times now that achilles tendinopathy is a very slow healer and may never fully recover. My racing days could be behind me.

sorry to hear that

Had a bad case last year - couldnt walk at the start. Found these exercises very useful, they hurt, but I was back in about 13 days.

Original paper here

good luck

judosean2005

OK dont know if someone can help or if its just the
way that i run.
I had been sold trainers that make my feet Pronate i think.running on outside of foot??
so i went to a guy steve in Gleesons limerick and he said that i need a neutral trainer.
So ive been running on neutral trainer for last month and am only now starting to feel pains along the outside of my foot.
Like the blade of foot.

Any ideas wat i can do??or wat im doing wrong??

am i impacting on outside of foot?

Sean

pgmcpq

gerard65 wrote: »

@pgmcpq, good news/bad news:(.
I'm still struggling with my achilles. Still not right. I thought it was doing well but an increase from 2 mile runs to 3 mile runs caused it to start getting sore again. I'm now doing run/walk 3 or 4 times a week just to keep some level of fitness. No light at the end of the tunnel and at this stage 2012 looks like a write-off. I've been warned a few times now that achilles tendinopathy is a very slow healer and may never fully recover. My racing days could be behind me.

Give it a bit more time. You've just recently - little over a week I think - returned to running. Look at it this way an increase of 2 miles to 3 miles is a 50% increase! Yup - I know 3 miles should be nothing but I think that's the way recovery works. Coming back from ITBS it was slow going - each run's progress was measured in yards for the first couple of weeks. Like yourself I've written 2012 off - I hope to be able to use it to get back to where I was. But frustrating as it is (and I'm now at 6 months and four failed premature comebacks, so I know the feeling) you have to stay positive.

pgmcpq

judosean2005 wrote: »

OK dont know if someone can help or if its just the
way that i run.
I had been sold trainers that make my feet Pronate i think.running on outside of foot??
so i went to a guy steve in Gleesons limerick and he said that i need a neutral trainer.
So ive been running on neutral trainer for last month and am only now starting to feel pains along the outside of my foot.
Like the blade of foot.

Any ideas wat i can do??or wat im doing wrong??

am i impacting on outside of foot?

Sean

So you were told two different things - that you needed a shoe that compensated for pronation and secondly that you needed a neutral shoe ?
If so it unlikely that both these are correct (unless you gait in different on different feet). Gait analysis is not an exact science and no one know your feet better than you. While I think some adjustment to a new shoe is normal if you are in pain it is time to go back to the old model of shoe. Pain is a warning sign - heed it.

hot to trot

Commiserations. Was just reading a similar post on RW boards from someone with the same problem. A friend of mine also had her labrum repaired last year and is back running and training well.
Best of luck with the recovery either way.

I think I am heading for immobilization for 6 weeks from January.
Sigh.

mithril

gerard65 wrote: »

@pgmcpq, good news/bad news:(.
I'm still struggling with my achilles. Still not right. I thought it was doing well but an increase from 2 mile runs to 3 mile runs caused it to start getting sore again. I'm now doing run/walk 3 or 4 times a week just to keep some level of fitness. No light at the end of the tunnel and at this stage 2012 looks like a write-off. I've been warned a few times now that achilles tendinopathy is a very slow healer and may never fully recover. My racing days could be behind me.

I am in the same boat myself, Gerard. It's a notoriously difficult injury to recover from. I picked it up last June by overtraining for the Portumna 100k and still has not healed even though I am running a lot less than previously. I have a referral to an orthopaedic surgeon after Christmas to see what options are possible. Steroid injections or shaving a bit of bone from the back of the ankle have been mentioned as possibilities.

judosean2005

Sorry maybe i should have cleared it up.
I had very little knowledge of running up to few months ago.

So i went to JJB and said i want a good trainer for running,so she gave me a pronate trainer(my fault granted for not knowing).
then i was told i need neutral trainers by someone who knew about running,not just after a sale.

Which were fine all along up till few days ago.
Now i have started to push my runs a little.,not massive distances only 3km or so.

Sean

menoscemo

judosean2005 wrote: »

Sorry maybe i should have cleared it up.
I had very little knowledge of running up to few months ago.

So i went to JJB and said i want a good trainer for running,so she gave me a pronate trainer(my fault granted for not knowing).
then i was told i need neutral trainers by someone who knew about running,not just after a sale.

Which were fine all along up till few days ago.
Now i have started to push my runs a little.,not massive distances only 3km or so.

Sean

You could try this site for self gait anlysis:

pgmcpq

judosean2005 wrote: »

Sorry maybe i should have cleared it up.
I had very little knowledge of running up to few months ago.

So i went to JJB and said i want a good trainer for running,so she gave me a pronate trainer(my fault granted for not knowing).
then i was told i need neutral trainers by someone who knew about running,not just after a sale.

Which were fine all along up till few days ago.
Now i have started to push my runs a little.,not massive distances only 3km or so.

Sean

Yeah ... that was pretty much the way I took it. If your increasing your distances then you might just need to give it a little longer. But I'd still say that if you do not have pain in the old shoes and do in the new I'd still go back and try the old ones to see it the problem clears up. No disrespect to the person who told you to try a neutral pair - it's is not an exact science - go with what your body tells you. Advice I wish I could take myself once in a while

BeepBeep67

Anyone selling a left knee, will pay good money, must be in PWO?

gerard65

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Anyone selling a left knee, will pay good money, must be in PWO?

I'll trade you a knee for an achilles tendon. Knee is 46 years old and a few miles on the clock but should be good for a few more years:)

shels4ever

gerard65 wrote: »

I'll trade you a knee for an achilles tendon. Knee is 46 years old and a few miles on the clock but should be good for a few more years:)

I've two good knees but looking for a right calf...achilles are in need of repair but still working.

BeepBeep67

Between us we could knock together a serious machine - don't worry gentlemen we have the technology to rebuild them!

gerard65

mithril

theboyblunder wrote: »

sorry to hear that

Had a bad case last year - couldnt walk at the start. Found these exercises very useful, they hurt, but I was back in about 13 days.

Original paper here

good luck

Seem to be making progress on the chronic achilles (right ankle) since I started doing these exercises systematically several times a day.
The orthopaedic surgeon who looked at it gave me identical advice but charged me 150 euros more than theboyblunder for his opinion.
I will exhaust the possibility of recovering with these exercises before I consider anything more radical.

Not so good news on the left foot, the acute injury which has stopped me running since December. Physio originally thought it was a ,overstrained tendon but surgeon thinks it is a stress fracture. MRI to confirm.
Regardless of the severity, its definitely a direct consequence of trying to protect the chronic achilles injury by switching the impact to the front of the foot i.e. one injury causing another.

gerard65

just one bloody knock after another mithril:( sorry to hear that news.
Looks like my racing days are now official over. An x-ray on my foot during the week confirmed my achilles to be the least of my worries. Basically the bones in my foot are a mess. At some time in the distance past I must have broken a couple of bones and they never knitted back correctly. I can't remember ever doing it, but thinking back I began to have problems with my left foot when I was about 17. I used to play alot of football in my teens so maybe the damage was done then.
An operation was mentioned but I feel its not worth it as theres no guarantee it'll ever be 100%, in fact it could weaken the foot further, and its not like I can't walk or anything, just can't run hard. I can still jog for fitness so I've got to be happy for small mercies.
I'll see how far this takes me, you never know, I may turn up on the start line of a marathon or ultra someday;)

tHE vAGGABOND

Used my marathon runners for my LSR on saturday [I rotate 3 pairs, so its all a bit random] - for record they are my the 3rd pair of Brooks Glycerin 8's I have owned.

My left food is a bit sore again, just like it was in the marathon. Could it be a "dodgy" pair of runners?

[I got the foot MRI'd and everything, no problems, and no problems in other runners a pair of Lunar Glides and another older pair of Glycerin 8's]

theboyblunder

mithril wrote: »

Seem to be making progress on the chronic achilles (right ankle) since I started doing these exercises systematically several times a day.
The orthopaedic surgeon who looked at it gave me identical advice but charged me 150 euros more than theboyblunder for his opinion.
I will exhaust the possibility of recovering with these exercises before I consider anything more radical.

Not so good news on the left foot, the acute injury which has stopped me running since December. Physio originally thought it was a ,overstrained tendon but surgeon thinks it is a stress fracture. MRI to confirm.
Regardless of the severity, its definitely a direct consequence of trying to protect the chronic achilles injury by switching the impact to the front of the foot i.e. one injury causing another.

You have my sympathies. That is exactly where I am. Had achilles problems last year, now a suspected stress fracture in the fifth metatarsal at the moment. The foot injury is worse, seems to be taking ages to heal.

connundrum

I've an achilles problem since last August, which I exasperated by doing the 70.3 in Galway in September.

€400 spent on physio seems to have gone no where, and I can't blame the physio as I assume there's very little he can do with it.

It is now January and I'm still feeling the pain. When I feel it with my fingers - and compare it to the other achilles, it feels like there is some tissue (?!) bunched at the top - kind of where the ankle bone is.

I'm no looking for advice, but has anyone gone to a specialist for this?

I'm half thinking of going to the GP and getting him to refer me on.. I really can't afford any more physio.

Sigh

hot to trot

connundrum wrote: »

I've an achilles problem since last August, which I exasperated by doing the 70.3 in Galway in September.

€400 spent on physio seems to have gone no where, and I can't blame the physio as I assume there's very little he can do with it.

It is now January and I'm still feeling the pain. When I feel it with my fingers - and compare it to the other achilles, it feels like there is some tissue (?!) bunched at the top - kind of where the ankle bone is.

I'm no looking for advice, but has anyone gone to a specialist for this?

I'm half thinking of going to the GP and getting him to refer me on.. I really can't afford any more physio.

Sigh

Going to the GP is the right thing to do . An ultrasound scan is the assessment of choice for this , rather than MRI. It will at least let you know where you stand.

I have just had my most recent one and hope to get back after partial rupture in June.
I had high power laser in Dublin which usually only requires one zap for a cure but I needed 2-3 as my tear is 11.5 mms x 4.8mm.
Previous cysts and lumps and tendinosis was completely cleared in previous episodes.
Best of luck. . Im getting pressure sores on this bench

mithril

gerard65 wrote: »

just one bloody knock after another mithril:( sorry to hear that news.
Looks like my racing days are now official over. An x-ray on my foot during the week confirmed my achilles to be the least of my worries. Basically the bones in my foot are a mess. At some time in the distance past I must have broken a couple of bones and they never knitted back correctly. I can't remember ever doing it, but thinking back I began to have problems with my left foot when I was about 17. I used to play alot of football in my teens so maybe the damage was done then.
An operation was mentioned but I feel its not worth it as theres no guarantee it'll ever be 100%, in fact it could weaken the foot further, and its not like I can't walk or anything, just can't run hard. I can still jog for fitness so I've got to be happy for small mercies.
I'll see how far this takes me, you never know, I may turn up on the start line of a marathon or ultra someday;)

I have had a bad run of injuries but I think it's more down to my age than bad luck. By 45 you have accumulated a lot of wear and tear on the joints, and what someone in their twenties can shake off in a few days, takes a lot longer to heal. Still I know too many people in the same age group suffering from cancer or MS to feel too sorry for myself.

Going to take a few swimming lessons while I am injured since it will allow me to retain basic fitness without impacting the injured feet . I can manage about 8 lengths at the moment before I give up panting which I realize is down to poor technique. This will give me a few options for triathlons later in the year. It might be a good option for you as well?


I don't think I will get an better opportunity to learn to swim properly (I can currently slog my way through about 8 lengths

pgmcpq

gerard65 wrote: »

j
Looks like my racing days are now official over.

At some time in the distance past I must have broken a couple of bones and they never knitted back correctly ..... just can't run hard. I

I'll see how far this takes me, you never know, I may turn up on the start line of a marathon or ultra someday;)

Sorry to hear that. But why is this old injury an issue now ? Any chance a long layoff would work ? If you've been dealing with it for years what is different now. If you let the achilles problem heal completely would it prevent you going back to racing ?

By the way I'd be more sympathetic if not for the slagging off of marathon running on your log - there are worse fates!

I may be facing the same end-of-running outlook. Trying out the hip to see if surgery could be avoided, the knee on the same leg went. It was fine until I finished the run. New symptom/problem but presumably related. Could not bear any weight on the leg. Have not been able to walk without a limp since New Year's Eve. I've been avoiding the doc as I don't really want to hear the news . Wondering if a year completely off might offer some hope.

mithril

MRI confirmed stress fracture on second metatarsal and consultant told me to avoid any stress loading activity on the joint for the next 4 weeks. The only safe exercise is swimming which I normally loathe. Headed to a swimming pool for the first time in 5 years and came down with an ear infection which rules out swimming for the time being. I am jinked!

Nanazolie

mithril wrote: »

MRI confirmed stress fracture on second metatarsal and consultant told me to avoid any stress loading activity on the joint for the next 4 weeks. The only safe exercise is swimming which I normally loathe. Headed to a swimming pool for the first time in 5 years and came down with an ear infection which rules out swimming for the time being. I am jinked!

that sucks... Make sure you rest completely. I made the mistake of limping on my good foot (stress fracture on the left one) and ended up with plantar fasciitis on the right foot. Still recovering 4 months on. Although I have started running again, thank God
When you go swimming next time, use some moulded earplugs

dahat

I'm back..............:mad:

Strained/pulled some muscle in my lower back 8 days ago in work.After a medication mix up i am now getting some releif and find it is starting to heal a bit and pain is subsiding to the point i am almost tempted to do my winter 4k series tonight...tempted but not going too...
I have not run a yard since last Monday week so i am gone back a bit i would think plus i was in the nose bag a bit last few days...
Hopefully this will only prove a temporary lay off as it was not really running related

hot to trot

I want to say goodbye and thanks for the company over the last 7 months.
started back with walk run last week. 3;2. its soul destroying but telling myself that if I dont do it the right way , I will be back on the bench.

Hope you all get to join me soon.
MIthril. An awful blow. Sorry to hear that . Body obviously wants a rest. ! get the milk into you and keep the feet and heart up .
Best wishes

captain P

Suffering with ITB issues since December, have only got a few (unsuccessful )runs in. Still in pain even though I did all the right things and followed physios advice.

Very frustrated!!!! Already missed one target race, hoping to be able run a 5km race in about 4 weeks, then I have wrist surgery the week afterwards.

Feels like I'm falling apart !!

Mumontherun

captain P wrote: »

Suffering with ITB issues since December, have only got a few (unsuccessful )runs in. Still in pain even though I did all the right things and followed physios advice.

Very frustrated!!!! Already missed one target race, hoping to be able run a 5km race in about 4 weeks, then I have wrist surgery the week afterwards.

Feels like I'm falling apart !!

What was Physio's advice?? Seems like a long time to be out with IT

dahat

mumontherun wrote: »

What was Physio's advice?? Seems like a long time to be out with IT

Had thought the same myself,mine took time but cleared up with rolling,icing and changing footwear.
I regliously roll my ITB's regularly now for fear of a reoccurence!