Injured A/R/T Boardsies Support Thread

RubyK

hot to trot wrote: »

I reckon I am looking at another 2-3 months before I jog. Phew. I am almost losing the will to live at this point

With your injury and hunnymonsters, I feel like a wus complaining about my aches As tough as it is at time, keep the chin up

pgmcpq

RubyK wrote: »

Just when I thought I might getting somewhere with training, I'm back on the injured bench Lower back is seriously uncomfortable. Off to the physio this evening for me.

One step forward, two steps back.

Sorry to hear that .... but really it is two steps forward, maybe one back. Your last log entries looked pretty positive given what you've been through. It is probably not a surprise to pick up a few niggles when you start up again and the body readjusts. Hopefully physio will sort it out.

hot to trot wrote: »

Please tell me we are losing more runners than we are gaining.

I reckon I am looking at another 2-3 months before I jog. Phew. I am almost losing the will to live at this point

Popular thread alright. I brought disaster on myself by tempting fate. Was on a run with a guy the week before and he asks me if I got injured. "Ah ... no... luckily I'm pretty resilient if I don't do anything stupid" ..... that was six weeks ago

Mr abbey

Hi guys, having been dropping in on this thread from time to time but am hoping this is only going to be a quick visit myself. I seem to have aggravated an old injury from earlier in the year. Have been sticking to HH N1 religiously, repeating the first 3 weeks, and with a couple of weeks prep beforehand.

Only running last two years or so, and am still learning as I go, but unfortunately picked up an ankle injury earlier in the year, probably (foolishly) from over training and (naively) from not changing my shoes earlier.

Anyway, felt a sharp pain towards end of 12m lsr weekend before last but was able to finish, and have completed all runs since including 14 lsr last weekend with no obvious pain. But did 3m tues with some discomfort and 7 wed morning with significant discomfort. Ankle was then sore after run on Wednesday morning.

So....skipped Thursday 4m and am planning on rest today and tomorrow and replacing 10m with cross training on Sunday morning. Probably replace midweek runs with cross training next week but will be hoping to do my 15lsr that weekend, at an extremely slow pace if possible.

Very anxious though, the last time I had this problem I kept running on it - not realising it was the start of a proper injury rather then a strain, and had to walk home. The thing is, that time it was no problem to walk on, only to run on, and it is the same at the moment so can't really judge it...but that time I couldn't run on it again for about six weeks. Had really got myself geared up for Dublin and will be really disappointed if it doesn't settle in but am really worried it's a bit more serious than I'm hoping. Was only at physio last week for something else, and didn't mention this because it wasn't something I was worried about at that stage.

geld

I am outa here (hopefully!!) Had two short easy runs in the last two days and calf felt OK. Looks as if it was not as bad as I thought. Just need to get it out of my head now.

Hope everyone is making progress.

hunnymonster

hot to trot wrote: »

Has anyone left the injury bench yet?

I'm not off the bench yet but I have edged towards the end ( I thin, and hope!)


Did the cao points for physiotherapy go up this year? this thread could single handedly increase demand :-(

Oryx

hunnymonster wrote: »

<pulls up seat and ice pack to join the injured bench>
I guess I'm not technically injured rather recovering but aparently my coccynx didn't get the messages from the rest of my body saying "make way, there is a baby coming through" I officially have a broken bum :-(

When this kid grows up you can tell them they were a pain in the ass when they were born.

pgmcpq

Well.... I ran today. After six weeks, five slow,ugly, sweaty, miles the heart rate was stratospheric .... but I did run ... in horrible muggy conditions with rain .... .... but I ran. Not 100% and the whole left leg seems was a bit sore once I stopped. Inching to the edge of the bench but still need to be patient. But, I ran.

thirstywork2

achilles problem since race last Sunday.Got laser and dry needling treatment so far.Anyone had either treatment before and with any success?

RacoonQueen

thirstywork2 wrote: »

achilles problem since race last Sunday.Got laser and dry needling treatment so far.Anyone had either treatment before and with any success?

Saw that on your blog. Did you rupture your achilles?

tHE vAGGABOND

Have not run at all this week and its getting worse with the more rest I give it! I have Chondromalacia patellae [runners knee] in left knee.

I was ordered total rest with one or two low impact things allowed, so did gym on Tuesday before work and very light swimming Thursday before work.

After very light swimming session knee was sore for ages.

Strolling around Stephens Green killing time on Friday morning it started killing me out of blue.

Walking up stairs to my seats at [terrible] upper tier at match yesterday it was agony. Where I walk up a couple of flights to stairs at work to get to my desk and use the stairs at work all the time, with zero problem.

Physio appointment at 8am tomorrow and its a cast of WTF?

Bally8

God Vagga thats not good, fingers crossed for you at the physio tomorrow.

dahat

Reckon i have 2/3 knocks all hittin gtogether after a hard run recently.....
Off the road a week now and still tender on my left knee,physio app tuesday hopefully,first time,hopefully i wont lose a leg....:D

RubyK

pgmcpq wrote: »

Well.... I ran today. After six weeks, five slow,ugly, sweaty, miles the heart rate was stratospheric .... but I did run ... in horrible muggy conditions with rain .... .... but I ran. Not 100% and the whole left leg seems was a bit sore once I stopped. Inching to the edge of the bench but still need to be patient. But, I ran.

Great that you got out for a run pgmcpq, I hope this week will bring more progress for you.

RubyK

pgmcpq wrote: »

Sorry to hear that .... but really it is two steps forward, maybe one back. Your last log entries looked pretty positive given what you've been through. It is probably not a surprise to pick up a few niggles when you start up again and the body readjusts. Hopefully physio will sort it out.

Yep, I think I over-reacted last week Things improved as the week went on. Stretching like mad, which seems to be helping too.

Hopefully things will be looking up this week, for everyone on the bench.

tHE vAGGABOND

No major problem with knee, just a stubborn issue which wont go away..

Another week off all running, which may well drive me and and those around me utterly crazy :eek: - but we have a plan in place as to what to do, which makes me feel better about whole thing..

hot to trot

Vagga, Check out Mulligan taping for kneecaps on youtube. If you have tracking isues with your knee and it is a bit irritated from hard training , it might be enough to just guide it a bit while recovering and getting back running.
I use it with my patients and it can be fab.

Who asked about Achilles? I have had high power laser in the laser centre/clinic on Hume street. I have to say that without it I would not have been able to stay running. With the partial tear that I have now , I would be off for about 6-10 months or more. I am going for my second dose Friday.
Physio low power laser doesnt seem to be strong enough used alone unless you can have a lot of it regularly and I think ultrasound and manual frictions strengthening/stretching/ and running technique corrections+/- insoles if required can be of greater value. I cant comment on needling as I dont do it yet. Good luck.
You will know if you have ruptured it as you will not be able to walk .:(

RacoonQueen

tHE vAGGABOND wrote: »

Have not run at all this week and its getting worse with the more rest I give it! I have Chondromalacia patellae [runners knee] in left knee.

Thats what I thought it was alright from what you were describing. Like hottotrot says check out taping techniques on youtube. I found the taping very uncomfortable though, I got a jumpers knee strap
and wear that when mine starts playing up. I can run on mine now though, it plays up occasionally but when I initially got it 2 years ago I was probably off for about 5 or 6 weeks.

BeepBeep67

Ok, I'm past the denial stage, I am injured - there I said it.
Tricky little one between lower shin and top of the foot, the longus flexor painintharseious I think, anyway it's runable but I know I'm not doing it any favours, so it's ice and ibu and I picked up a novagrip elasticated tubular bandage to compress it - these are a must for every kit bag I think and maybe a cheap alternative to pricey compression socks @ €2.99 each? So it's biking for me and like a typical runner will give it another try on Weds :rolleyes:.

RacoonQueen

Functional Training have an offer up on Rate My Area for Dry Needling is any of yee are looking to try it you get it at a good price with this.

http://dublin.ratemyarea.com/deals/142

tHE vAGGABOND

good spot - thanks RQ!

yop

I need sympathy

Its the 8 week anniversary since I could last train and after 6 sessions with physios and 1 deep tissue massage I am actually worse than better!

I am doing a daily core workout each day since last week to see if I can get some joy with this but I am now in a lot of pain around my right hip and have a tightness at the base of neck! Weird or what.
Stretching seems to be good but within a few hours again the tightness and pain is back.

Going from doing a lot of KM on run and bike to zero is a bit frustrating at this stage.

But when 2 different physios cant fix me then what the hell can!

pconn062

tHE vAGGABOND wrote: »

Have not run at all this week and its getting worse with the more rest I give it! I have Chondromalacia patellae [runners knee] in left knee.

I was ordered total rest with one or two low impact things allowed, so did gym on Tuesday before work and very light swimming Thursday before work.

After very light swimming session knee was sore for ages.

Strolling around Stephens Green killing time on Friday morning it started killing me out of blue.

Walking up stairs to my seats at [terrible] upper tier at match yesterday it was agony. Where I walk up a couple of flights to stairs at work to get to my desk and use the stairs at work all the time, with zero problem.

Physio appointment at 8am tomorrow and its a cast of WTF?

I'm in the same boat as you, patellar tendonitis in my left knee, my fourth dose in 2 years!:eek:Just in the middle of my DCM training so its a real pain. Just doing the key things, Ice every 2 hours, strengthening exercises, stretching and massaging the tendon itself. And a few anti-inflammatories thrown in to speed things up! I have found that a few days off can make a huge difference and a missed week in a marathon training schedule isn't that big of a deal, its just a mental thing i.e. Oh my god I'm missing training, my marathon is ruined!! At least I'm not alone!

pgmcpq

yop wrote: »

I need sympathy

Its the 8 week anniversary since I could last train and after 6 sessions with physios and 1 deep tissue massage I am actually worse than better!

I am doing a daily core workout each day since last week to see if I can get some joy with this but I am now in a lot of pain around my right hip and have a tightness at the base of neck! Weird or what.
Stretching seems to be good but within a few hours again the tightness and pain is back.

Going from doing a lot of KM on run and bike to zero is a bit frustrating at this stage.

But when 2 different physios cant fix me then what the hell can!

You have my sympathy (for the little it is worth). I'm trying to get back on the road again (week 7) and having similar issues with my left hip. It is the leg that I had physio on but seems to be different to the original injury. I am thinking sciatica and starting a stretching regime to try to resolve this. In fairness to the PTs they worked on the symptoms I described. The hip/leg issue seems to have developed as I have tried to resume running.

Any chance your core work out is aggravating the problem ? What did the PT say last time ?

Keep the spirits up. Getting discouraged will not help the head or body (this is for me as much as you).

pgmcpq

tHE vAGGABOND wrote: »

Have not run at all this week and its getting worse with the more rest I give it!

Strange - I am having a similar issue. In addition to all my other problems my old knee has come back in earnest despite having done no training for 5 weeks and only using a bike for a week after that. It is a chronic but manageable problem usually ... cannot understand why has it flared up after six weeks of rest .

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I got a jumpers knee strap
and wear that when mine starts playing up. I can run on mine now though, it plays up occasionally but when I initially got it 2 years ago I was probably off for about 5 or 6 weeks.

I have one of these knocking around somewhere I must dig it out again. Though I was past all that.:(

yop

pgmcpq wrote: »

You have my sympathy (for the little it is worth). I'm trying to get back on the road again (week 7) and having similar issues with my left hip. It is the leg that I had physio on but seems to be different to the original injury. I am thinking sciatica and starting a stretching regime to try to resolve this. In fairness to the PTs they worked on the symptoms I described. The hip/leg issue seems to have developed as I have tried to resume running.

Any chance your core work out is aggravating the problem ? What did the PT say last time ?

Keep the spirits up. Getting discouraged will not help the head or body (this is for me as much as you).

I am following the sets of stretches and core work setup by the 2 physios Glute and hip stretches but why its now in my neck is beyond me! Well its all probably lower back related.

hot to trot

Major sympathy Yop, for whats its worth.

If you suspect there might be a sciatica element , be careful stretching around your hip in case you are pulling on the nerve roots.

yop

hot to trot wrote: »

Major sympathy Yop, for whats its worth.

If you suspect there might be a sciatica element , be careful stretching around your hip in case you are pulling on the nerve roots.

Thats something I never thought of!!! How would I know that I have sciatica?

Its a pain in the head (or the hips! ) but it will take time

tHE vAGGABOND

Ordered myself one of those knee straps off Physio Room. I have had this issue twice now, so it will be one of these things to come back over and over again it seems - so makes sense to get something for it.

Also, want to get back out training before I go mad :eek:

tHE vAGGABOND

40 mins on cross trainer with no pain at all last night - I must have looked like a right nutjob almost punching the air after a slow enough session on a cross trainer in the gym :P

I was only doing intervals [2 mins fast, 1 min slow], with next to no resistance, so Im not ready for a 20 mile run just yet, but its good news for the first time in weeks, and I will take that :cool:

I will do a very slow 30 min run Saturday morning I think - and see how we are fixed :eek:

specialk1977

I could be off de bench..after 4 weeks of rest I went for a 2 mile run on wednesday and 3 miles last night..hamstring is still niggly..gonna give a rest this evening and chance a few more miles tomor..serious doubts ill make dublin but have my eyes on the clonakilty..

Bally8

Fingers crossed for everyone trying to make their comebacks.

Im still on the bench with an occasional pass:). Its six weeks since I got injured and Im at the stage now where Im allowed to run 20 minutes three times a week. Its not much but its great for my sanity. I would love to be doing more but I have to have patience and allow my arch to heal. Its still sore most days and I have a long road ahead until its fully right.

I've had long term injuries for a couple months a year over the last 3 years but this time I am doing much more with my time instead of slowly going mad and getting fatter from not running. I have taken up cycling and love it, swimming too and am out walking for nearly an hour every day. I think this is whats keeping me sane.

Still I just want to run....I get very sad when I see all the races I planned pass by:(

hunnymonster

I'm not fixed but I am less broken. I've even started entering stuff. Cocky or foolish?

tHE vAGGABOND

Been for 2 runs now [3 miles and 5 miles] and I think we seem fixed here - woot

A good physio is worth more than anything, as is the realization you should do what they ask you to do forever [not randomly stopping when you think you are better!]

BeepBeep67

Ran the National Half y'day, knew it the back of my mind it was a high risk strategy - crocked shortly after 11k and a long trudge back followed - lesson learnt!

MarieC

great idea for a thread Bally8! Hope the injury is sorted!

Im creeping back to Boards even though I am half a world away from ye. In melbourne, 5weeks out from melbourne marathon, hadnt missed a run in the last 12.5 weeks of training and then it went a little pear shaped. Not injured as such, but may be anaemic. went to donate in january but levels were too low, so couldnt donate. the lab lost my sample they were going to use to confirm anaemic, so i kinda forgot about it. went to donate 2weeks ago and haemoglobin levels were about 15% lower than they were in january. got referral for doc, waiting on results.

I didnt think I was anaemic but since then have kinda listened to my body more and feel fairly brutal. had noticed my times were getting slower the last few months, but just thought my training wasn't dedicated enough. feeling tired and drained alot, even though I eat relatively healthy. apparently if anaemic for a time, you can just get used to the symptoms so they aren't as obvious anymore...doc appt. tomorrow.

missed my long run at the weekend, hoping that I can notch up the miles again pronto now. apparently u can get an iron injection if levels low enough, I may inquire about that......cant explain it to non-runner friends how crap it feels to not be able run. feel like a slob and have lost my super-powers (not really that super but what makes me feel best about myself).

hot to trot

Keep the head up woman ! Think of your anaemia as enforced taper to rest for the training before the next and final leg of your journey.
Fingers crossed the cause is minor.

rest up . the legs will thank you for it .

Hunny monster I am so thrilled that you are getting well enough to consider parting with entry fees. Things are looking up. What have you got in mind for a relaunch?

Vagga. Great stuff. Dont let it get so bad next time you have a niggle and you may get away with just nodding at us here on the bench.

I can walk 10 minutes reasonably briskly without a limp now. Whoohoo. think I might try a mile or two walk tomorrow. Need to train daughter in . she is going to start running with me when I am up to a 4 minute walk : 1 minute run scenario.

pgmcpq

Bally8 wrote: »

I've had long term injuries for a couple months a year over the last 3 years....

Readng this thread bring up something I have been wondering about. This is the second time I have injured myself before a autumn marathon (last year it was Dublin). I keep wondering if there is something I missed both times that would have tipped me off. So while we are stuck here on the bench my question to all is .... if you get injured regularly looking back is there a common factor to your injury, to your training before injury ? Can you tell the difference between "niggle" and injury-on-the-way ?

For me it seems to follow shortly after 5k races ... and seems to happen before an autumn marathon. This injury in particular got me completely by suprise. With hindsight I should have stopped as soon as I felt the strain but if I did that I'd end up missing half my training !

Bally8 wrote: »

I get very sad when I see all the races I planned pass by

*Sigh* ... me too !

tHE vAGGABOND

tHE vAGGABOND wrote: »

Ordered myself one of those knee straps off Physio Room. I have had this issue twice now, so it will be one of these things to come back over and over again it seems - so makes sense to get something for it.

Ran with this new knee brace tonight - result was zero knee pain for the first time in over a month.

Not getting carried away, still going to take my time coming back - but very much over the moon! Thanks everyone for the help and support here

runrabbit

I've finally accepted that I'm joining this thread for the forseeable future.

I have an as-yet undiagnosed foot injury. It seems to have started with a small knock on the top of my foot, which created a tiny bruise, which niggled and niggled and eventually turned into a lot of inflammation and pain. I'm seeing a physio tonight - at the moment I can't run at all. I went to a spinning class on Sunday which was fine but nothing since and I'm going crazy - I even had a dream I was racing last night and I was feeling great :rolleyes:

I'm supposed to be doing the Dublin Half Marathon next week. A small part of me still hopes I make it - I'll be gutted if I don't. I should know tonight.

Here's hoping we all make a speedy recovery.

Nanazolie

Hi


I know the charter says don't discuss injuries. I am not asking for advice or treatment. I went to my GP for that and I trust his judgement, follow his advice and take my medication.
I just want to hear from people who injured themselves in the past while running and were they able to run again (after 2, 6, 10 weeks, a few months, a year...)? Did you find what caused your injury and were able to adjust your running to avoid further injury? Did you find that stopping helped you become a better runner?

I injured my foot last Sunday, won't give the details, but it was quite painful and I'm still limping. I gave up any hope of running the semi marathon in Dublin next Saturday. At first, I was gutted, but I am determined to run again and I want to use that time to reflect on what caused the injury in the first place. And why do I love running so much (I don't consider myself a serious runner in that I don't speak "gait, pronation, etc...". I just run for the sheer pleasure of it), what does it bring to my life, do people experience the same and feel almost deperate when they are forced to stop?

dev123

Hi Nanazolie,

You are definintely not the only person nursing an injury.

Have a look here for some advice from other people in a similar situation.

Hope this helps,
Dev

ecoli

Nanazolie wrote: »

Hi


I know the charter says don't discuss injuries. I am not asking for advice or treatment. I went to my GP for that and I trust his judgement, follow his advice and take my medication.
I just want to hear from people who injured themselves in the past while running and were they able to run again (after 2, 6, 10 weeks, a few months, a year...)? Did you find what caused your injury and were able to adjust your running to avoid further injury? Did you find that stopping helped you become a better runner?

I injured my foot last Sunday, won't give the details, but it was quite painful and I'm still limping. I gave up any hope of running the semi marathon in Dublin next Saturday. At first, I was gutted, but I am determined to run again and I want to use that time to reflect on what caused the injury in the first place. And why do I love running so much (I don't consider myself a serious runner in that I don't speak "gait, pronation, etc...". I just run for the sheer pleasure of it), what does it bring to my life, do people experience the same and feel almost deperate when they are forced to stop?

3 years ago I spent 4 months trying to get rid of an injury. Started back very slow (Thankfully had company coming back on my runs from boardsies here). Spent the summer just quitely building up slowly and under the radar. Came out in September and really started to crank up my training. 10 months after my injury I went on to hit my target in debut half marathon. from there I have gone from strength to strength and clocked PBs from 1500m-Half Marathon. The slow build up allowed me to focus on building the legs stronger and addressing the problem.

You can come back stronger than ever. Talk with your physio they should be able to get to the root of the problem. Most good physios will also give you tips on prevention rather than just treat it. Spend your time off productively strength work, flexibility work and cross training (with approval from your physio) as well as reading up on training methods and it could be a blessing in disguise as it was for me.

I immersed myself in training theory and it has stood to me in the long run

Best of luck on the recovery

There is a thread here for Injury support for athletes who are out (unfortunately its a part of the sport) to provide motivation and encouragement may also pick up some tips there

altercor

Hey!

Firstly, sorry to hear about your injury! Its never good to be injured when you are ramping up to an event. I think in the past 4-5 years I have spent an awful lot of time sidelined with all sorts of injuries, from overuse to over-stupid. One thing I've learned is that when you can't run you really really want to. When you get better again and it's raining outside and you are tempted not to do your session, it's good to remind yourself of when you were injured and all you wanted to do was run!

I've definitely found that a bit of analysis of your lifestyle, other hobbies etc can help with injury prevention. I realised that my weekly 5 aside soccer match was causing my hamstrings to be as tight as cello strings and that in turn caused knee pain (apparently!) so, I had to decide which I would rather do. I chose running. That definitely improved my running as now I can handle higher mileage! After I finish a big event (marathon or otherwise) I usually spend a few weeks playing soccer as a break though.

I used to get shin splints; got orthotics. I find I dont need them as much anymore as I improved (got faster) as I spend less time on my heels and more on the balls of my feet:D

I know you seem to associate serious running with gait, pronation etc. but it would serve you well and ensure you spend less time on the sideline with injury by doing a bit of self-analysis!

Hope this helps!

Curve Music

Mod: Afraid you are right it is in breach of charter to look for "normal protocol". an injury can be caused by a number of things and just because people might have had the same injury does not mean the same cause and treatment applies. Stick to the advice of your physio or if you are not happy with that look for a second opinion from another medical professional

Nanazolie

wow, I didn't know there were so many of us! And you feel so lonely when it happens.
Thanks for your answers, it's great advice and I'll definitively put my sideline time to good use
I'm reading "Born to run" right now, it is enlightening

ecoli

Nanazolie wrote: »

wow, I didn't know there were so many of us! And you feel so lonely when it happens.
Thanks for your answers, it's great advice and I'll definitively put my sideline time to good use
I'm reading "Born to run" right now, it is enlightening

Reading it myself and all I would say is don't get too hung up on the barefoot running too much.

People seem to hone in on that and think "oh there good I should be doing the same" yet they ignore:

Chia seeds as nutrition (more science behind this than barefoot running)
They drink like fish (you wouldnt emulate this so why emulate another aspect solely on premise of the book)
Normal US runners have gone much faster in Leadville (2 hours) so barefoot running isnt essential to be good

Very interesting read but training wise I wouldn put all my hopes ideas on the book

Nanazolie

Sure, Ecoli, but I'm more interested in the "running as a way of life"'s aspect of it. I am not a competitive runner, but I find running fascinating: why do some people hate it so much while for others it is liberating?

Curve Music

Curve Music wrote: »

Mod: Afraid you are right it is in breach of charter to look for "normal protocol". an injury can be caused by a number of things and just because people might have had the same injury does not mean the same cause and treatment applies. Stick to the advice of your physio or if you are not happy with that look for a second opinion from another medical professional

'Pologies squire

Bally8

So how is everyone doing? Has anyone gotten off the bench yet? Im still broken, thought I was getting better last week but my arch is very sore again this week:( Keeping myself busy with walking, swimming and cycling. Maybe Im doing too much?

dahat

Been to physio twice,ITB issues and muscle tightness.....all been treated.
Have pronation issues which we are working towards solving without getting new runners or 300 quid orthotics as she has some ideas,we will see how they go........
Still doing a little running,stretch,ice etc...........hopefully i can get back to my normal level pretty soon....