Gardai should be armed?

Solnskaya · 01-08-2011 12:09am

realies wrote: »

He fancies you and is chasing you around the boards,have you not noticed

you swine, I thought she was chasing me. The whole no uniform thing is causing me to have serious doubts though, but in fairness, she was cracking in "the african queen". (I wonder has she aged well??) On topic(ho hum) I got stopped by a very serious looking copper the other day in Portarlington(in fairness its in Offaly and you can kinda understand why they need uzi's on checkpoints), armed to the teeth he was, and I felt like I was in New York(ok, I didn't, it was Offaly), very unnerving it was. Due to the fact that all my frilly bits in the windscreen were in order, I was waved on, but it was very un-irish. I prefer Guard Brendan, the only dangeous thing about him is his BO, and the only time he has a gun is when he is out poaching pheasants on the local estate.(for the dubs, down here an estate is a big farm full of animals, so kinda 50% like an estate in the smoke.)

Mickeroo · 01-08-2011 12:10am

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

so its alright to shoot an animal so long as you dont use a bow or crossbow? where the hell is the sense in that god this country is so turned around its not even funny,

I'm not sure what the deal is. Maybe it's less humane or something, suppose a gun is more likely to kill with the first shot.

Croatia, Germany and the UK also prohibit it.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 01-08-2011 12:12am

RMD wrote: »

There is highly armed and well trained Gardai in city areas where criminal gang problems exist. The ERU are based in Dublin, that means if a criminal gang needs to be dealt with Ireland's most highly trained Gardaí are available very quickly.

In the rural areas there are the RSU, highly armed, highly trained and capable to deal with pretty much any threat posed. We have sufficient numbers of arms within the Gardai for the risks posed.

That's the problem,in typical irish fashion,the ERU are there for a certain amount of time,the criminal gangs stop all sudden,the overtime for ERU budget rockets,they scale back and go home,then its back to normal for criminals.

On the response to carrying guns for ordinary people,no i wouldn't be in favour of it,we have a mini LA with the amount of scoobs around.

The three strike rules doesn't always work,some people have been given it for the smallest of crimes.

mattjack · 01-08-2011 12:13am

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

As far as I am aware most garda stations have a gun press and also have specially trained (usually detectives) to use them if needs be.

I thought they were all trained to use fire arms..

LC2010HIS · 01-08-2011 12:13am

RMD wrote: »

There is highly armed and well trained Gardai in city areas where criminal gang problems exist. The ERU are based in Dublin, that means if a criminal gang needs to be dealt with Ireland's most highly trained Gardaí are available very quickly.

In the rural areas there are the RSU, highly armed, highly trained and capable to deal with pretty much any threat posed. We have sufficient numbers of arms within the Gardai for the risks posed.

I'm not too familiar with units

. Is it just Dublin though? I get the whole rural areas point but what about Cork, Limerick, Galway? Or were you just saying Dublin as an example?

Icyseanfitz · 01-08-2011 12:15am

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'm not sure what the deal is. Maybe it's less humane or something, suppose a gun is more likely to kill with the first shot.

Croatia, Germany and the UK also prohibit it.

seems pretty stupid to me, especially in this country where if a gun goes off someone will nearly always hear it as opposed to a bow thats pretty much silent? id think a professional hunter would like the challenge of using a bow as well i mean it seemed to do just alright for those couple of thousand years that people used them

Mickeroo · 01-08-2011 12:16am

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

seems pretty stupid to me, especially in this country where if a gun goes off someone will nearly always hear it as opposed to a bow thats pretty much silent? id think a professional hunter would like the challenge of using a bow as well i mean it seemed to do just alright for those couple of thousand years that people used them

Hunting with a bow and arrow sounds more appealing than a gun to me tbh!

Witcher · 01-08-2011 12:19am

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

seems pretty stupid to me, especially in this country where if a gun goes off someone will nearly always hear it as opposed to a bow thats pretty much silent? id think a professional hunter would like the challenge of using a bow as well i mean it seemed to do just alright for those couple of thousand years that people used them

A lot of hunters uses moderators to control the sound of their rifle, bow hunting would probably be seen as inhumane as the animal may not die straightaway, a rifle can sometimes wound an animal and they can walk for a few yards before dying, arrows would leave more of a margin for error. Hunters consider the animal first before how much of a challenge it is, they try to kill animals cleanly and not leave them lingering.

mattjack · 01-08-2011 12:21am

easygoing39 wrote: »

give them a gun and there will be dead citizens all over the country ...............where are you living...? Syria.?

Solnskaya · 01-08-2011 12:22am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Hunting with a bow and arrow sounds more appealing than a gun to me tbh!

off topic(whats new)but i've always believed that people should be allowed to do as much hunting as they like, using their bare hands. That would even things up a bit. Anything beyond a big stick(and even that's cheating)should be illegal. FFS, if you want fish or venison, tesco have it in the frozen aisle. I'm an ex-hunter btw, but I still have a huge gun Audrey.

Mickeroo · 01-08-2011 12:24am

Solnskaya wrote: »

off topic(whats new)but i've always believed that people should be allowed to do as much hunting as they like, using their bare hands. That would even things up a bit. Anything beyond a big stick(and even that's cheating)should be illegal.

Also mandatory nakedness.

Norwayviking · 01-08-2011 12:25am

Solnskaya wrote: »

off topic(whats new)but i've always believed that people should be allowed to do as much hunting as they like, using their bare hands. That would even things up a bit. Anything beyond a big stick(and even that's cheating)should be illegal.

I hope you dont plan on hunting aliigators:rolleyes:

LETHAL LADY · 01-08-2011 12:25am

mattjack wrote: »

I thought they were all trained to use fire arms..

Do not really know tbh mattjack but where I live it was only the detectives had access to the gun press.

FGR · 01-08-2011 12:25am

Blay wrote: »

A lot of hunters uses moderators to control the sound of their rifle

So this is what Dr Bollocko and KeithM89 get up to when they're not modding here.

EDIT: Originally I was joking but now that I see that Dr B also mods The Thunderdome I think he may actually sleep with a gun under his pillow. :pac:

Icyseanfitz · 01-08-2011 12:26am

Solnskaya wrote: »

off topic(whats new)but i've always believed that people should be allowed to do as much hunting as they like, using their bare hands. That would even things up a bit. Anything beyond a big stick(and even that's cheating)should be illegal. FFS, if you want fish or venison, tesco have it in the frozen aisle. I'm an ex-hunter btw, but I still have a huge gun Audrey.

i suppose we where given nails and teeth for a reason

as for animals lingering from a modern hunting bow or crossbow, fat chance those things pack some punch would be equal to a gun considering the range it would have to be used from

harmoniums · 01-08-2011 12:26am

I carry a pistol daily, concealed and lawfully.
I live in the states though where my chances of encountering an similarly armed bad guy are higher than Ireland, so I carry.
In Ireland I don't and really cant see the need, the gun per scumbag ratio is much much lower.
I have never drawn my weapon and feel just having it on makes me a much more careful and outwardly "cowardly" person.
I walk away from altercations, I don't escalate ever.
Most folks assume I'm just a big p*ssy, this suits me.

BTW did you know until very recently the firearms laws in Ireland (written in 1927) allowed you to carry your piece, the license was implicitly to posses and carry! Also you were allowed to carry if you were a "knacker" ... I assume in the old school sense, ie an animal renderer who needed a method of humane dispatch.
Knackers, imagine the possibilities!

Solnskaya · 01-08-2011 12:28am

Norwayviking wrote: »

I hope you dont plan on hunting aliigators:rolleyes:

it's way more fun with bare hands, the alligator even gets to win sometimes. "Alligator hunting with bare hands" would be a top rated show tbh, it could also be a punishment for those delinquent kids, "go gettum Connor".

LC2010HIS · 01-08-2011 12:30am

I wish I never mentioned hunting now :rolleyes::D

Witcher · 01-08-2011 12:30am

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

as for animals lingering from a modern hunting bow or crossbow, fat chance those things pack some punch would be equal to a gun considering the range it would have to be used from

You'd be suprised, if a deer for example can take a shot from something like a .308 round or above and survive for even 30 seconds, I'd seriously doubt whether a bow could be depended on to give a clean kill. That's not to say it can't be done but it wouldn't be as consistent as a rifle.

This is way off topic anyway...

Norwayviking · 01-08-2011 12:31am

Solnskaya wrote: »

it's way more fun with bare hands, the alligator even gets to win sometimes. "Alligator hunting with bare hands" would be a top rated show tbh, it could also be a punishment for those delinquent kids, "go gettum Connor".

Well i think you will be the one and only hunter in that category then,lol;)

Solnskaya · 01-08-2011 12:32am

mattjack wrote: »

I thought they were all trained to use fire arms..

I'm not so sure they've all even been trained to use toilets.....

FGR · 01-08-2011 12:34am

harmoniums wrote: »

I carry a pistol daily, concealed and lawfully.
Knackers, imagine the possibilities!

You make a very strong point though Harmoniums. There are a lot of people who feel unsafe and would prefer to carry something on them for their own personal protection. Something such as a mild pepper spray would be great for some people but I can only imagine how easily it would be abused by those who would use it for reasons other than defence.

Shame, too. As a lot of good people get assaulted/robbed through absolutely no fault of their own.

You've mentioned the proportion of gun per scumbag. On a similar topic I've also noticed that, when in Georgia, New York and Wisconsin; that the presence of Police was much higher than it is here. On a night out there's cops on pretty much every corner if not a local/county/state cruiser passing you every five minutes.

Shame that we'll never see this here. Given Garda numbers and the small number of patrol cars/motorbikes attached to a station.

Sunnyisland · 01-08-2011 12:35am

LC2010HIS wrote: »

I wish I never mentioned hunting now :rolleyes::D

You derailed our thread.:mad:;)

Norwayviking · 01-08-2011 12:37am

Blay wrote: »

You'd be suprised, if a deer for example can take a shot from something like a .308 round or above and survive for even 30 seconds, I'd seriously doubt whether a bow could be depended on to give a clean kill. That's not to say it can't be done but it wouldn't be as consistent as a rifle.

The new modern crossbows and compound bows has a serious knock down power,if you hit what you aim for.
They are well capable of killing an an animal just like a rifle.
The problem is that you have to do it close up.
With a rifle you can extend the range,and still make a clean humane kill.

LC2010HIS · 01-08-2011 12:38am

ForegoneReality wrote: »

. On a similar topic I've also noticed that, when in Georgia, New York and Wisconsin; that the presence of Police was much higher than it is here. .

I think big gardai numbers in the country would enforce respect? Or at least cop on... ... ..

LC2010HIS · 01-08-2011 12:38am

Norwayviking wrote: »

The new modern crossbows and compound bows has a serious knock down power,if you hit what you aim for.
They are well capable of killing an an animal just like a rifle.
The problem is that you have to do it close up.
With a rifle you can extend the range,and still make a clean humane kill.

Jesus christ like....:D

mattjack · 01-08-2011 12:40am

LC2010HIS wrote: »

I think big gardai numbers in the country would enforce respect? Or at least cop on... ... ..

yep..I know whatcha mean..since they did away with the height requirment all we got now is little gardai numbers...

LC2010HIS · 01-08-2011 12:40am

mattjack wrote: »

yep..I know whatcha mean..since they did away with the height requirment all we got now is little gardai numbers...

I'm 6".. female like:D

Norwayviking · 01-08-2011 12:41am

LC2010HIS wrote: »

Jesus christ like....:D

well i think we will leave him out of it for now;)

Solnskaya · 01-08-2011 12:43am

Personally, I've a firearms licence(so I can't be a complete nutter, apparently), and I like having a gun. It's a nice fall back. So maybe the cops here should be armed, if only because all the health and safety/training courses they would have to attend would mean they had less time available to hassle me about car tax and tyres etc.

Chuck Stone · 01-08-2011 12:44am

If the police carry guns then I want to be able to own one.

Fair's fair.

mattjack · 01-08-2011 12:44am

LC2010HIS wrote: »

I'm 6".. female like:D

:pac: I promise ,your honour ,to make no smart comments...........

mattjack · 01-08-2011 12:45am

Solnskaya wrote: »

Personally, I've a firearms licence(so I can't be a complete nutter, apparently), and I like having a gun. It's a nice fall back. So maybe the cops here should be armed, if only because all the health and safety/training courses they would have to attend would mean they had less time available to hassle me about car tax and tyres etc.

partial nutter ...?

mattjack · 01-08-2011 12:46am

LC2010HIS wrote: »

I'm 6".. female like:D

ohhhh I cant help myself.....you,re like a female..? a transgender garda ?

harmoniums · 01-08-2011 12:46am

Chuck Stone wrote: »

If the police carry guns then I want to be able to own one.

Fair's fair.

Why cant you? do you have a criminal record?
if not, apply, pistol wise your limited to a .22.
Rifle wise a 22 semi auto or a bolt action centerfire.
If you want a semi auto rifle, you'll need a monitored (like phonewatch or soemthing) safe

Witcher · 01-08-2011 12:47am

Norwayviking wrote: »

well i think we will leave him out of it for now;)

Pff Jesus could solve all our problems with this:P

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/18/Jesus_gun.jpg

Chuck Stone wrote: »

If the police carry guns then I want to be able to own one.

Fair's fair.

You can own one.

Chuck Stone · 01-08-2011 12:49am

harmoniums wrote: »

Why cant you? do you have a criminal record?
if not, apply, pistol wise your limited to a .22.
Rifle wise a 22 semi auto or a bolt action centerfire.
If you want a semi auto rifle, you'll need a monitored (like phonewatch or soemthing) safe

Blay wrote: »

You can own one.

I have no criminal record.

Am I allowed to own a hand gun?

LC2010HIS · 01-08-2011 12:49am

mattjack wrote: »

ohhhh I cant help myself.....you,re like a female..? a transgender garda ?

What!?!?:(:D

Witcher · 01-08-2011 12:50am

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I have no criminal record.

Am I allowed to own a hand gun?

You can own a rimfire .22 pistol if you are a member of a target shooting club.

Sunnyisland · 01-08-2011 12:51am

I am always armed & my legs are not to bad either.

night.

Solnskaya · 01-08-2011 12:53am

mattjack wrote: »

partial nutter ...?

quite possibly. I'm not even sure i would give me a licence, but my kids think i'm nice. And they are very discerning. So's my wife, but she hates the gun, she says having it under the pillow is giving her a crick in her kneck, but better sfae than sorry eh.

mattjack · 01-08-2011 12:53am

LC2010HIS wrote: »

What!?!?:(:D

I,m sorry...,I,m sorry.........:D

mattjack · 01-08-2011 12:55am

Solnskaya wrote: »

quite possibly. I'm not even sure i would give me a licence, but my kids think i'm nice. And they are very discerning. So's my wife, but she hates the gun, she says having it under the pillow is giving her a crick in her kneck, but better sfae than sorry eh.

yeah..I know what ya mean...I got rid of mine a few years ago...the gun..not the wife...

Chuck Stone · 01-08-2011 12:57am

Blay wrote: »

You can own a rimfire .22 pistol if you are a member of a target shooting club.

Cripes! I didn't know that people could own hand guns here!

Got to say that I wouldn't mind owning a gun. Purely for self defence though.

mattjack · 01-08-2011 12:58am

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Cripes! I didn't know that people could own hand guns here!

Got to say that I wouldn't mind owning a gun. Purely for self defence though.

I dont think you can own them for self defence

Solnskaya · 01-08-2011 1:00am

LC2010HIS wrote: »

I'm 6".. female like:D

6"- jasus that must be tough, I'd say just getting up the kerb is a challenge. On the plus side, you'd be very useful for cavity searches.

exador · 01-08-2011 1:00am

The Guards already have sufficiently armed units. so they are armed, or at least the ones that need to be.

try rob a bank or something similar and see how long it takes for armed guards to arrive !

Chuck Stone · 01-08-2011 1:00am

mattjack wrote: »

I dont think you can own them for self defence

Just for target shooting?

Are you allowed them in your house?

Witcher · 01-08-2011 1:02am

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Just for target shooting?

Are you allowed them in your house?

Yes to both, providing you have the proper security in your home such as a safe and I think..a monitored alarm.:)

Solnskaya · 01-08-2011 1:02am

mattjack wrote: »

I dont think you can own them for self defence

indeed not(cough cough), you need a better reason than that to get one, so go off and think of one first(a fear of large rodents is a good starting point)

Gardai should be armed?

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