Getting Samoyed - dog or bitch??

andreac

The contact details are still valid. Noreen Clarke is the secretary so contact her through the contact details section.

Or contact the IKC for a list of breeders. We cant help you anymore, you need to do some work and research yourself and make the calls...

slookie

Thanks Andrea. Am on to a couple of breeders. Am going on holidays next week so won't be getting anything until after that. At the moment I have a male boxer cross, 2 years old, neutered. I read in another thread, that for getting a second dog, the ideal combination is male-female? Followed by male-male. Is this true? I've had my sister's samoyed with us for the week, a male, and they kinda ignore eachother and let the odd growl out of them. Would I be better off getting a female and neutering her, for everyone to get on peacefully? Thanks for help.

DBB

slookie wrote: »

Thanks Andrea. Am on to a couple of breeders. Am going on holidays next week so won't be getting anything until after that. At the moment I have a male boxer cross, 2 years old, neutered. I read in another thread, that for getting a second dog, the ideal combination is male-female? Followed by male-male. Is this true? I've had my sister's samoyed with us for the week, a male, and they kinda ignore eachother and let the odd growl out of them. Would I be better off getting a female and neutering her, for everyone to get on peacefully? Thanks for help.

That's my post you're kinda misquoting there.
I said what I said in the context of the two-dog combination being "dog-hot" types such as terriers.
That said, it often applies to dogs generally, it's just a stronger likelihood with terriers.
But you've confused me as in an earlier post you said you have two dogs, a boxer and a boxer x, male and female. So it's actually a third dog, not a 2nd dog, you're proposing to add to the mix?
Which would leave you with either two males and a female, or two females and one male.
In my experience, if two dogs are going to really be aggressive with one another in a home environment, male and more so female, neutering does not help much.
Three dogs is an awkward number, as there's a real likelihood of two ganging up on the other. Don't get me wrong, it can work and I've done it myself (but only as I had dogs with a dynamic which worked), but tends to be more successful if there are very dog-social types involved, like gundogs, hounds etc.
You seem to have changed your tone re breeding?

Cherry Blossom

You said earlier in the thread that you also have a boxer bitch so you have a male and a female? If your dogs are well socialised and used to other dogs you shouldn't have a problem with introducing a young pup. I would imagine introducing a second female to an already established male/female partnership would be a lot more work than introducing a second female without the presence of another (male) dog

Cherry Blossom

DBB wrote: »

Three dogs is an awkward number, as there's a real likelihood of two ganging up on the other. Don't get me wrong, it can work and I've done it myself (but only as I had dogs with a dynamic which worked), but tends to be more successful if there are very dog-social types involved, like gundogs, hounds etc.

Small side track here - DBB what would you recommend the best order for a person who currently has a bitch and is looking to add 2 more dogs over a few years. Established dog is a Westie (extremely well socialised - adores any other dog and refuses to leave any situation in which she finds one :rolleyes:). Dog no. 2 will be a Sheltie (male or female?). Dog no. 3 will be a gundog of some description. What would your opinion be of this mix of dogs and what sexes would you go for? I know for a fact no's 1 & 3 would be delighted with each other regardless of sex, but not so sure how the Sheltie would fit into the mix.

DBB

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Small side track here - DBB what would you recommend the best order for a person who currently has a bitch and is looking to add 2 more dogs over a few years. Established dog is a Westie (extremely well socialised - adores any other dog and refuses to leave any situation in which she finds one :rolleyes:). Dog no. 2 will be a Sheltie (male or female?). Dog no. 3 will be a gundog of some description. What would your opinion be of this mix of dogs and what sexes would you go for? I know for a fact no's 1 & 3 would be delighted with each other regardless of sex, but not so sure how the Sheltie would fit into the mix.

Eek! Putting me on the spot here AJ! ;-)
I think It's very much dependent on the individuals, and the fact that your westie is very dog-friendly is great... Though do you know how she feels about other dogs in her house? Westie rules can change quickly when they're on their own turf!
Gundogs, and I'm thinking you're considering a setter?, are generally super with other dogs, and if coming from the right background will have had a great dog-friendly upbringing. There is a kindliness to a nice gundog that even the most tempestuous westie can't annoy them!
Shelties are playful but can perhaps have that Sharp terrier edge from time to time. So i think with a female westie, I'd go for a male sheltie. The gundog then you're probably more free on if it's a nice dog as described above, but a female could work really well. A dog-hot female pointer or setter is a rare thing!
Until my shep died a few months ago, I had a female shep and a female spaniel x who were good pals, and a cranky male westie who generally ignored the 2 females, which I think is why they worked well as a threesome. They were essentially a pair and a single dog who was quite happy to be a single dog! That said, he knocked crack out of the shep when the mood took him, but they had their 'moments' too!

slookie

Ya I might have confused ye. The boxer cross dog is mine. But my sister in law next door has a female boxer, which she is planning to breed from, and she spends 50% of her time at mine, playing with my fella anyway. But she doesn't sleep at mine, if you get me. They get on great and never row. That's why I'm thinking another female into the mix might be better?

DBB

slookie wrote: »

Ya I might have confused ye. The boxer cross dog is mine. But my sister in law next door has a female boxer, which she is planning to breed from, and she spends 50% of her time at mine, playing with my fella anyway. But she doesn't sleep at mine, if you get me. They get on great and never row. That's why I'm thinking another female into the mix might be better?

Yes, you did say you had two dogs.
What about your plans to breed?
That's great that your sister in law plans to breed from her Boxer... Ireland really needs more Boxers:rolleyes:

slookie

I don't plan to breed. Will be getting a neutered dog or bitch, bust still can't decide. Am leaning towards bitch now, if they will all get along together.

andreac

slookie wrote: »

I don't plan to breed. Will be getting a neutered dog or bitch, bust still can't decide. Am leaning towards bitch now, if they will all get along together.

So have you changed your mind about breeding now??

slookie

Yes, you read correctly...

ISDW

slookie wrote: »

I don't plan to breed. Will be getting a neutered dog or bitch, bust still can't decide. Am leaning towards bitch now, if they will all get along together.

If you're getting a pup from a breeder, obviously it won't be neutered or spayed Or have you managed to find an older sammie looking for a home?

slookie

Well I will neuter it myself...got my own neutered about 2 months ago.

DBB

slookie wrote: »

Well I will neuter it myself...got my own neutered about 2 months ago.

Why the change of heart Slookie?
You were really quite rude to people trying to help you earlier in this thread, so I'm wondering why you've suddenly decided to neuter?

slookie

Well in all respects, I think people were quiet rude to me...being judgemental etc. Back to the title of the thread anyway...dog or bitch???

DBB

slookie wrote: »

Well in all respects, I think people were quiet rude to me...being judgemental etc. Back to the title of the thread anyway...dog or bitch???

Why the change of heart?

slookie

Cos it would be too much hassle as people here have pointed out!

lrushe

slookie wrote: »

Well in all respects, I think people were quiet rude to me...being judgemental etc. Back to the title of the thread anyway...dog or bitch???

It's hard to say, I've had both sexes but it's personality that usually attracts me to the dogs I get, it's always been the dog that would best fit into my lifestyle.
Like for instance if you are interested in a challange and have alot of experience with dogs you might pick a more head strong dog but if you are new to dog ownership or just want a laid back companion you might pick a more laid back dog. Most good breeders or rescues will try their best to match you up with the dog that suits you the most.

**Vai**

OP it doesnt really matter if you get a dog or a bitch. It depends on the personality and socialising more than the gender.

Unless you have any white carpets, then I'd go for a dog.

cocker5

Guys not sure why you are bothering answering...

the OP has made up his mind.... he wants to make "easy" money and he feels this is the best way....

you will never change the mind of someone so uneducated.... hasnt a clue of real life...or the fact that EVER shelter / SPCA are bursting to the seams with unwanted dogs / puppies..... sure why not breed some more and increase this already growing number....he doesnt even want a show dog... just a normal dog... another back yard breeder in the making....shows he already knows nothing ........ im sure we will see his pups up on dondeal in a few years.... along with all the other unwanted dogs in Ireland...

slookie

Did you not read my posts??? Just said I was getting a pet and getting them neutered...and u calling me uneducated:rolleyes:

Bullseye1

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Yes, that's what I thought, a 'normal' (pet-quality) samoyed isn't suitable for breeding at all, and shouldn't be bred from. It would be great if you could clarify what your motivation for breeding is if it's not for profit, I can't think of any other reason why someone would breed from a pet tbh.

While I agree there are breeders out there who breed for profit there are also those who love the breed and want to maintain a healthy well balanced version of the breed.

ISDW

Bullseye1 wrote: »

While I agree there are breeders out there who breed for profit there are also those who love the breed and want to maintain a healthy well balanced version of the breed.

I don't think AJ would disagree with you, but she has said she doesn't understand why anyone would want to breed from a 'pet', a dog that isn't of show quality, so therefore, not breeding to maintain a healthy well balanced breed.

Tranceypoo

Hey OP, any chance you could get your sister in law to read this thread? Maybe dissuade her from breeding her boxer!! Do you know if her boxer has been through all the tests and is shown and from good lines etc etc and everything that has been mentioned here about breeding?

DBB

Tranceypoo wrote: »

Hey OP, any chance you could get your sister in law to read this thread? Maybe dissuade her from breeding her boxer!! ?

Good idea! Seeing as this thread has caused slookie to have an epiphany, maybe the sister will too!

Bullseye1

ISDW wrote: »

I don't think AJ would disagree with you, but she has said she doesn't understand why anyone would want to breed from a 'pet', a dog that isn't of show quality, so therefore, not breeding to maintain a healthy well balanced breed.

Absolutely. If its for a pet the owner should really consider neutering/spaying.

astonaidan

Just feel I should say that breeding dogs isnt as easy as it looks, Ive bred dogs before got the bitch from Crufts best of breed champion and father a champion in America, I had planned on breeding her twice as I didnt want to put to much pressure on her, I waited till she was 3 before breeding her and again when she was 5, I made a good profit on the first litter and a little one on the second, But the hours i put into them was extreme, I personally wouldn't get involved in breeding dogs in this enviroment with the goal of making money It just wouldnt work, I also think substandard dogs shouldn't be bred from as it dilutes the breed

cocker5

slookie wrote: »

Did you not read my posts??? Just said I was getting a pet and getting them neutered...and u calling me uneducated:rolleyes:

you never mentioned anything about netuering... you mentioned dog or bitch??? .... then you mentioned too much hassle...

you posts are all over the place... so it hard to know what your actully trying to say. :rolleyes:

lrushe

cocker5 wrote: »

you never mentioned anything about netuering... you mentioned dog or bitch??? .... then you mentioned too much hassle...

you posts are all over the place... so it hard to know what your actully trying to say. :rolleyes:

While I do agree, the OP did say they would neuter.

slookie wrote: »

Well I will neuter it myself...got my own neutered about 2 months ago.

Cherry Blossom

DBB wrote: »

Eek! Putting me on the spot here AJ! ;-)

Sorry!

DBB wrote: »

I think It's very much dependent on the individuals, and the fact that your westie is very dog-friendly is great... Though do you know how she feels about other dogs in her house? Westie rules can change quickly when they're on their own turf!

She's completely non-food/toy aggressive, but is a little human, dog (and horse :eek:) possessive if that makes sense, gets a bit jealous of strangers paying too much attention to family members. There are a couple of dogs that visit and it basically always goes the same way, ignore both until they are acquainted and she very quickly claims any newcomer as a family member, no problem at all interacting with either after that, until the visitor's owner decides it's home-time that is, not so keen on new family members being kidnapped :rolleyes:

DBB wrote: »

Until my shep died a few months ago, I had a female shep and a female spaniel x who were good pals, and a cranky male westie who generally ignored the 2 females, which I think is why they worked well as a threesome. They were essentially a pair and a single dog who was quite happy to be a single dog! That said, he knocked crack out of the shep when the mood took him, but they had their 'moments' too!

I'm sort of identifying the Sheltie as the possible loose cannon in the mix, generally being more people orientated than dog orientated, of course I'm a firm believer that 'they are what you make them' and think I'd manage any combination. I was just starting to deviate off the plan a bit wondering if I have definite plans for 3 anyway and given herself shouldn't be an issue at all maybe female, female, male might be a better way to go than introducing a 3rd to an established male/female partnership

OP - Sorry for going off on a tangent but hopefully it highlights the fact that it depends a lot on your own circumstances, the personalities of current and future dogs in the mix and your own attitude etc. to it as to what would suit best, so I think you'd be helping yourself if you provided a bit of insight instead of the demanding one-liners that give absolutely no information that anyone can base any advice on.