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London and UK riots (started in Tottenham 10:30PM, 6th Aug)

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    #4352
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    waveform wrote: »
    Isn't that Agnosticism actually?

    I always thought Athiesm is more geared towards believing that a God does not and cannot exist.

    Richard Dawkins comes to mind.

    No. Atheism simply by definition means not believing. Agnosticism is more to do about whether it's possible to know.


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    #4353
    grenache
    Registered Users Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    Is this sagnet channel on sky? I never heard of it.


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    #4354
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Religious matters can be discussed in the appropriate forum.

    Plaeas stay on topic.


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    #4355
    Kiwi_knock
    Registered Users Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    grenache wrote: »
    Is this sagnet channel on sky? I never heard of it.

    I do not think anyone had till last night, couple of us on here were watching it last night. However tonight it has exploded, everyone on here seems to be tuning in.


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    #4356
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    grenache wrote: »
    Is this sagnet channel on sky? I never heard of it.

    Channel 847.


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    #4357
    CorkMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    niallsparky wrote: »
    Atheism is founded on the concept of not knowing? It's religious people who claim to know that a God exists. Atheists accept that they do not know.

    When did I say that??? I said atheists can be arrogant, they give an aura saying "I know everything". This is what I have found.

    If you want to continue discussion, post in the appropriate forum.


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    #4358
    TheUsual
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    Highlights on Sangat from earlier now ...

    http://magictv.co/


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    #4359
    cocoshovel
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    Seems London has calmed down. Id say tonight will be the last night of any troubles. Hopefully.


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    #4360
    Doge
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    niallsparky wrote: »
    No. Atheism simply by definition means not believing. Agnosticism is more to do about whether it's possible to know.

    The lines always seemed blurred a little to me.

    And some of the more popular athiests i have watched seem to be almost certain a God does not exist.

    If you 100% fully believe that no God exists, or its not possible for a God to exist, then what would be the term for that?


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    #4361
    Doge
    Registered Users Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭Doge


    super-rush wrote: »
    Religious matters can be discussed in the appropriate forum.

    Plaeas stay on topic.

    Can i just get one reply from niall if you dont mind?

    I was always confused about this, will stay on topic from now on.


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    #4362
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    waveform wrote: »
    If you 100% fully believe that no God exists, or its not possible for a God to exist, then what would be the term for that?

    "Ignorant."

    Sangat showing highlights now from earlier.


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    #4363
    kevin12345
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    4 large explosions at a Diesel Depot in Tottenham. Possible evacuation of houses nearby - BBC


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    #4364
    CiaranMT
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    CorkMan wrote: »
    When did I say that??? I said atheists can be arrogant, they give an aura saying "I know everything". This is what I have found.

    Like those religious who employed Canon Law over our own national ones to protect their own?
    waveform wrote: »
    The lines always seemed blurred a little to me.

    And some of the more popular athiests i have watched seem to be almost certain a God does not exist.

    If you 100% fully believe that no God exists, or its not possible for a God to exist, then what would be the term for that?

    Anti-theist.


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    #4365
    decembersun77
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    K-9 wrote: »
    We've all converted from Catholicism to Sikhism or some other type of ism.

    Well I wanted to be a hindu at once stage because i thought reincarnation is real. Theirs gods make me laugh. They look soft with lots of limbs and they get around on a pig's back.


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    #4366
    SteelyDanJalapeno
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    Is there an online link to Sangat/ Sikh ?


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    #4367
    Brain Stroking
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    waveform wrote: »
    Isn't that Agnosticism actually?

    I always thought Athiesm is more geared towards believing that a God does not and cannot exist.

    Richard Dawkins comes to mind.

    Yup. NiallSparky doesnt know what an atheist is


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    #4368
    murpho999
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    I'll use Family Guy to win Evolution v Creationalism debate.

    Honestly, mods won't post on this again!


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    #4369
    Thrill
    Registered Users Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    http://twitter.com/#!/skymarkwhite
    On way to reports of fire at recycling plant at Park View Road Tottenham. Police unable to confirm yet if related to #LondonRiots


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    #4370
    blackdog2
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    K-9 wrote: »
    You try and live a higher standard, difficult as it is.

    Try not to opt for the easier life and comparing yourself to scumbag politicians. Robbing, being criminals, is the easy option for these lads.

    In other words, you rise above scumbag standards and not say, sure they're all the same, I might as well be.

    You don't get Ipods and 42" Tv's for it.

    Those are all choices made by the common person, however all anyone has said from government is that these people should be made fear the laws, the selfsame laws that didn't deter them one iota to begin with. Frightening stuff, and one wonders what will change in the aftermath of this


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    #4371
    decembersun77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭decembersun77


    joshrogan wrote: »
    Ireland would be alot better if we were all Sikh's.

    No, it wouldn't. Hindus are the most peaceful religion after Christians


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    #4372
    CorkMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    murpho999 wrote: »


    I'll use Family Guy to win Evolution v Creationalism debate.

    Honestly, mods won't post on this again!

    Using a show created by some white American dudes in their 40's to argue Religion? :rolleyes:

    now stop going of f thread


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    #4373
    Doge
    Registered Users Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭Doge


    niallsparky wrote: »
    "Ignorant."

    Sangat showing highlights now from earlier.

    I was waiting for someone say that hahahah!

    Wikipedia seems to sum up the way i understood both terms.

    "In the popular sense, an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves there is a God, whereas an atheist disbelieves there is a God."

    "Within agnosticism there are agnostic atheists (who do not believe any deity exists, but do not deny it as a possibility) and agnostic theists (who believe a God exists but do not claim to know that)."

    From that: "agnostic athiest", seems to be more accurate for what you were getting at in your post.

    Okay, back on topic.


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    #4374
    K-9
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    847 fantastic reporting now.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #4375
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Horgan wrote: »
    Is there an online link to Sangat/ Sikh ?

    http://magictv.co/ its switching between sky news and sangat


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    #4376
    CorkMan
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    Is Sangat finished for the night ATM?


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    #4377
    dsmythy
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    To all Christians and atheists. Shut up.


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    #4378
    Queen-Mise
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    cocoshovel wrote: »
    Seems London has calmed down. Id say tonight will be the last night of any troubles. Hopefully.

    It is kicking off all right around the country. But none of the News stations are covering what is currently happening - I wonder if there is an unofficial news embargo of showing the rioting live again. It may have been encouraging it, like a snowball effect. I am going searching youtube for some clips of tonight.


    I am blaming Sangat for all the religious stuff - seriously thinking of converting to their religion...


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    #4379
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    0119:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675


    The Met has fresh advice to the owners of businesses in London on how to deal with disorder.

    It says they don't have to wait to be attacked to use "defensive force" to protect their premises and can "use something to hand as a weapon" if they feel it's necessary "in the heat of the moment".


    heyho.


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    #4380
    Doge
    Registered Users Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭Doge


    CorkMan wrote: »
    Is Sangat finished for the night ATM?

    Its still online anyways:

    http://magictv.co/

    ****, the sky looks blue there, i better get to bed for reals....


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    #4381
    K-9
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    There's a Christian and Agnostic forum for the same ould arguments.

    Police have been very respectful and professional. Just doing their job.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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