London and UK riots (started in Tottenham 10:30PM, 6th Aug)

mikemac

A few hefty gardaí from out Whest with big frames and a farmers walk could sort this

Kev_ps3

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yes, who knew that an autocratic theocracy that ruthlessly represses its own people could have such a sense of humour.

ruthlessly represses its own people? Where do ye get this nonsense

mike65

Kev_ps3 what cloud are you on? Or do you think Iran is a democratic paradise.

You must have slept through the uprisings of 2009 for example

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=18289

RobitTV

Murder investigation after three killed in Birmingham crash
• Young Asian men were killed while 'doing the job of the police'
• Boris Johnson: government is wrong to cut police numbers
• Unrest in Birmingham, West Bromwich, Salford, Manchester
• Violence spreads to Gloucester, Cambridge and Nottingham
• London spared fourth night of violence as arrests reach 768
• Cameron chairs second meeting of COBRA committee

stevenmu

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I'm beginning to think that this could kick off over here if there's a couple of more bad nights in England because we have the same breed of people over here. Our scummers will see how far they can push the envelope.

The big difference here is that our scum are generally lacking any organisation. The UK has groups with a lot of organisational ability who are used to organising trouble around football matches. They have experience of raising and coordinating large numbers, and of communicating and coordinating with other groups. Most of what we see on the TV is 'youths' causing trouble, but I suspect we'll find there were more organised groups behind a lot of it.

Luckily we don't have the same level of organisation amongst scum here, so hopefully we won't see similar riots, and if we do see any they'll hopefully be far more disorganised and easier to break up.

Yahew

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yes, who knew that an autocratic theocracy that ruthlessly represses its own people could have such a sense of humour.

ruthlessly represses its own people? Where do ye get this nonsense

Quite right. It's a free and open society mis reported by zionist-media

Ulysses Gaze

Android 666 wrote: »

Nothing of the sort. Difference here is that London is roughly 10 times the size of Dublin (the great Manchester area has a higher population than the Republic of Ireland) and has much higher concentrations of poorer people living together. Also mobiles have been used as a tool to stay one step ahead of the police. Dublin just isn't large enough imo for this to happen.

Clondalkin? Tallaght? Finglas? Parts of Inner City Dublin? Clonsilla? Huge estates full of poorer people and difficult to police at the best of times. Add in other smaller pockets dotted around the city and I wouldn't be so complacent.

RobitTV

David Cameron Live on Sky News!

bayern282

A piece from The Guardian and something to bear in mind when reading about the corporate medias ''mindless thugs''


Those condemning the events of the past couple of nights in north London and elsewhere would do well to take a step back and consider the bigger picture: a country in which the richest 10% are now 100 times better off than the poorest, where consumerism predicated on personal debt has been pushed for years as the solution to a faltering economy, and where, according to the OECD, social mobility is worse than any other developed country.

As Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett point out in The Spirit Level: Why Equality is Better for Everyone, phenomena usually described as "social problems" (crime, ill-health, imprisonment rates, mental illness) are far more common in unequal societies than ones with better economic distribution and less gap between the richest and the poorest. Decades of individualism, competition and state-encouraged selfishness – combined with a systematic crushing of unions and the ever-increasing criminalisation of dissent – have made Britain one of the most unequal countries in the developed world.

Images of burning buildings, cars aflame and stripped-out shops may provide spectacular fodder for a restless media, ever hungry for new stories and fresh groups to demonise, but we will understand nothing of these events if we ignore the history and the context in which they occur.

RobitTV

David cameron is allowing the use of Water canons :D

ILikeBananas

Cameron appears to be speaking directly to the readers of the Daily Mail with his use of language.

ch750536

robinph wrote: »

If you are carrying a gun then you are not innocent.

He was alleged to have been carrying a gun.

Run_to_da_hills

What will more than likely come out of all this social disorder will be the compulsory registration of all mobile phone devices including SIM & IMEI and the possibility of having to produce ID every one want to top up with credit. The UK authorities have been waiting several years to impose this but now this could be the right opportunity. It was only recently imposed in France, Italy and Spain.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4969312.ece

After this we may also see the proposal of compulsory registration of all transit smart cards and the phase out of unanimous cash tickets over the counter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4800490.stm

shaneybaby

ch750536 wrote: »

He was alleged to have been carrying a gun.

IPCC said he was last night. Can't remember the name of it but they said it wasn't a replica.

ch750536

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Did they ever try that man with the little moustache who caused a ruckus around Europe about 70 years ago? Must be innocent so.

Unfortunately he didn't commit a crime.

ch750536

shaneybaby wrote: »

IPCC said he was last night. Can't remember the name of it but they said it wasn't a replica.

Correct, but at the time he was shot there was no gun known. This is the whole reason we have innocent until proven guilty. Trial by media now he is dead to justify the means. Leaves a bitter taste for me.

Mushy

A 58 year old arrested...what goes through his mind?

Android 666

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Clondalkin? Tallaght? Finglas? Parts of Inner City Dublin? Clonsilla? Huge estates full of poorer people and difficult to police at the best of times. Add in other smaller pockets dotted around the city and I wouldn't be so complacent.

Are you suggesting that all of Clondalkin, Tallaght, Clonsilla and Finglas are no-go areas? I'm sure people from those areas will contend otherwise...

There are over 15 million people living in London, there are 1.5 living in Dublin. That's a huge difference in the potential amount of scumbags to be able to take to the streets.

ch750536

Mushy wrote: »

A 58 year old arrested...what goes through his mind?

Was he stealing porn?

mikemac

Mushy wrote: »

A 58 year old arrested...what goes through his mind?

Making a wild unsupported guess but maybe enjoyed his football hooligan days a few decades ago so out reliving his youth?

Blisterman

bayern282 wrote: »

A piece from The Guardian and something to bear in mind when reading about the corporate medias ''mindless thugs''


Those condemning the events of the past couple of nights in north London and elsewhere would do well to take a step back and consider the bigger picture: a country in which the richest 10% are now 100 times better off than the poorest, where consumerism predicated on personal debt has been pushed for years as the solution to a faltering economy, and where, according to the OECD, social mobility is worse than any other developed country.

As Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett point out in The Spirit Level: Why Equality is Better for Everyone, phenomena usually described as "social problems" (crime, ill-health, imprisonment rates, mental illness) are far more common in unequal societies than ones with better economic distribution and less gap between the richest and the poorest. Decades of individualism, competition and state-encouraged selfishness – combined with a systematic crushing of unions and the ever-increasing criminalisation of dissent – have made Britain one of the most unequal countries in the developed world.

Images of burning buildings, cars aflame and stripped-out shops may provide spectacular fodder for a restless media, ever hungry for new stories and fresh groups to demonise, but we will understand nothing of these events if we ignore the history and the context in which they occur.

I'm sick of these apologist pieces.

The poorest people in England have

Free Healthcare
Free University
Dole Money
Subsidised or even free housing
Free access to some of the worlds best museums and libraries


They have opportunities 99% of the world's population would envy.

ItsAWindUp

Android 666 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that all of Clondalkin, Tallaght, Clonsilla and Finglas are no-go areas? I'm sure people from those areas will contend otherwise...

There are over 15 million people living in London, there are 1.5 living in Dublin. That's a huge difference in the potential amount of scumbags to be able to take to the streets.

No, there isn't.

Mushy

ch750536 wrote: »

Was he stealing porn?

Unfortunately it didnt say.

Could be the case mikemac, cant imagine he was fully right in the head.

the_syco

Hope Birmingham isn't too bad tonight - I'll be staying in the middle of it, just west of Digbeth

Paparazzo

Blisterman wrote: »

I'm sick of these apologist pieces.

The poorest people in England have

Free Healthcare
Free University
Dole Money
Subsidised or even free housing
Free access to some of the worlds best museums and libraries


They have opportunities 99% of the world's population would envy.

It's been said before that they just don't want to work. The concept of working is alien to them, they had it too handy getting benefits for too long.

ch750536

Fixed it for you.

Blisterman wrote: »

I'm sick of these apologist pieces.

The poorest people in England have

Free Healthcare Semi free - still have to pay for dentists, opticians etc due to no NHS availability.
Free University You now have to pay - a lot.
Dole Money -£53.45
Subsidised or even free housing I could never get anything. Tried lots.
Free access to some of the worlds best museums and libraries Not where I lived.


They have opportunities 99% of the world's population would envy.

Liam Byrne

Android 666 wrote: »

How do you treat people neutrally? You either have respect for them or you don't.

If I meet someone I shouldn't (a) assume they're violent thugs OR (b) assume they're the next Mother Teresa.

That's neutral.

I don't name-call or spit in their face, but I don't give them my keys and credit card either.

If they then earn my trust and respect - or conversely, act like a thug - I can adjust accordingly and appropriately.

Ulysses Gaze

Android 666 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that all of Clondalkin, Tallaght, Clonsilla and Finglas are no-go areas? I'm sure people from those areas will contend otherwise...

There are over 15 million people living in London, there are 1.5 living in Dublin. That's a huge difference in the potential amount of scumbags to be able to take to the streets.

Never suggested that.

Large areas though where even a couple of hundred youths could cause problems though and may not be easily contained.

Funkfield

ch750536 wrote: »

Fixed it for you.

Blisterman wrote: »

They have opportunities 99% of the world's population would envy.

Isn't this the important bit of Blisterman's post?

ch750536

Funkfield wrote: »

Isn't this the important bit of Blisterman's post?

Not really.You dont see the rest of the world you see what is around you. FACT - The uk is the country with the widest gap with regards to wealth in Europe and that gap is growing.