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London and UK riots (started in Tottenham 10:30PM, 6th Aug)

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    #5132
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    SV wrote: »
    lol.

    No, it really isn't.
    You don't actually appear to have any argument for this one.
    You also believe in the race of chavs? :confused:


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    #5133
    Yahew
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭Yahew


    SV wrote: »
    lol.

    No, it really isn't.
    You don't actually appear to have any argument for this one.

    I already gave my remedial argument, about why chavs are not a race, in the previous post. I could keep repeating that post, but it's clearly facile.


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    #5134
    suspectdevice
    Registered Users Posts: 328 ✭✭suspectdevice


    prinz wrote: »
    It's called being organsed and knowing that a few hundred coppers can't be everywhere at once. It has nothing to do with the police shooting.
    you don't know what it has to do with, do you?
    prinz wrote: »
    What boot?
    the boot that keeps them down ang gives them no way out
    prinz wrote: »
    'Probably' LOL. What are most of them doing so? Peacefully protesting?
    even if its violent protest, do you think the vast majority of protesters are looting


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    #5135
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Yahew wrote: »
    Pay attention to the terms you didn't hilight in red. They are far more important definitions of race, and clearly the red bits are correlative of the cause ( of race) heritable Phenotype and geographical ancestry. Culture also correlates, and ethnicity is another way of saying it.

    ( this remedial piece of logic and knowledge was brought to you all by Yahew).

    One thing professor....where does it say 'cause' in that definition I posted?

    Next lesson....the difference in everyday usage between the words Politics and politics.
    Big letter, wee letter Dougal!


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    #5136
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Are racing drivers a race?


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    #5137
    decembersun77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭decembersun77


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Where? How?

    Is there people living in little huts and slums in parts of the disadvantaged areas in the uk's cities? Where they have little to no food to feed themselves and their children so they collect bottles and look throught waste dumps for anything they can sell to feed their family. Where there is inadequate sanitation, impure drinking water leading to death and disease such as leprosy. Is this poverty in the uk?


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    #5138
    Monty Burnz
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    One thing professor....where does it say 'cause' in that definition I posted?

    Next lesson....the difference in everyday usage between the words Politics and politics.
    Big letter, wee letter Dougal!
    After this piece of transparent evasion, would you like to explain how siblings can belong to the chav and non-chav races?


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    #5139
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    3ndahalfof6 wrote: »
    your going to have to show me where they were rioting or am i missing something.

    Given that there were hundreds of rioters out I dont see why they would target some random person minding their own business. The fact they ran from the police verified that even more.

    If you are cynical about the police you can guess they attacked random people for no reason. Personally I think its more likely they attacked one of the hundreds of rioters. Just logic.


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    #5140
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    decembersun77 wrote: »
    Is there people living in little huts and slums in parts of the disadvantaged areas in the uk's cities? Where they have little to no food to feed themselves and their children so they collect bottles and look throught waste dumps for anything they can sell to feed their family. Where there is inadequate sanitation, impure drinking water leading to death and disease such as leprosy. Is this poverty in the uk?
    Nope.


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    #5141
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    suspectdevice wrote: »
    you don't know what it has to do with, do you?

    Are you going to enlighten me so? What does a 14 year old girl thieving a games console from Argos have to do with an armed police unit shooting an armed known gun dealer during an arrest attempt?
    suspectdevice wrote: »
    the boot that keeps them down ang gives them no way out

    You mean like the 30 odd year old teacher already up in court? Yeah, obviously he had no way out....
    suspectdevice wrote: »
    even if its violent protest, do you think the vast majority of protesters are looting

    Looting, vandalism, arson, violence, running over three young men and killing them in your car...


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    #5142
    Wertz
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    I think the problem here with the word chav is that it is used to identify whole swathes of people who wear certain clothes, listen to certain types of music and live in certain areas and fall into a certain income bracket...it is used to label and that label is then used to judge on appearance before the fact, rather than as a put down for people that have proven worthy of the term scumbag for their anti social or criminal actions and not simply their outward appearance.


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    #5143
    Happyman42
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    After this piece of transparent evasion, would you like to explain how siblings can belong to the chav and non-chav races?

    It's time to grow up Monty and face up.


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    #5144
    Latchy
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    The estimate cost so far for all this as it stands is £100 million with all the major shopping centres like The Arndale in Manchester and Liverpool ONE closing there doors early tonight and it's pretty much same elsewhere .

    The good people of all London, ,Manchester,Liverpool ,Birmingham who have come together to help clean up after the rioting are to be applauded .They are the ones who matter , the ones who will stand up and be counted against the small minority and not allow them to destroy their citys .

    Many questions and issues have being raised but one that has cropped up is people , including ex policemen called back to assist saying '' some politicians over the years had been harping on about police handling of public disturbances but if they ( police) had being allowed to do their job in the first place without interference ,they would have being able to respond to these disturbances in a much tougher and stronger fashion instead of the softly approach we had '' .


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    #5145
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It's time to grow up Monty and face up.
    To?


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    #5146
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Latchy wrote: »
    The estimate cost so far for all this as it stands is £100 million with all the major shopping centres like The Arndale in Manchester and Liverpool ONE closing there doors early tonight and it's pretty much same elsewhere .

    The good people of all London, ,Manchester,Liverpool ,Birmingham who have come together to help clean up after the rioting are to be applauded .They are the ones who matter , the ones who will stand up and be counted against the small minority and not allow them to destroy their citys .

    Many questions and issues have being raised but one that has cropped up is people , including ex policemen called back to assist saying '' some politicians over the years had been harping on about police handling of public disturbances but if they ( police) had being allowed to do their job in the first place without interference ,they would have being able to respond to these disturbances in a much tougher and stronger fashion instead of the softly approach we had '' .

    The police abused their powers over and over again and they had to be curtailed. The answer is not more police powers but responsible and well monitored policing.


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    #5147
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,922 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    suspectdevice wrote: »
    you say too much too soon then. do you think it a political situation?



    no way. its just pure coincidence that events happened up and down the country in the inner cities at the same time.


    angry young people fed up with the boot on the back of their neck perhaps. they are organised and they are fearless. there is probably an element of opportunism in the looting but most of those protesting are not looting.


    Ah the old doo gooder civil liberties shyte. What about the decent people living in these areas who never took part in any trouble but are afraid of these gangs of louts. So much so that they are afraid to go to their corner shop after dark for fear of these sub-human elements robbing them.
    This crowd of "poor wee angels" are not searched for nothing you know. People are very much afraid of these gangs. But blame the police for doing their job as all you civil liberty types always do. Its a pity they didn't wade into them.


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    #5148
    doc_17
    Registered Users Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭doc_17


    niallsparky wrote: »
    No he wasn't. Sure the only reason all this violence is happening is because of hoodies isn't it...:rolleyes:

    Yes he did, I heard it on Gift Grub a few years ago.....all the above was said tounge firmly in cheek


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    #5149
    Knasher
    Registered Users Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    3ndahalfof6 wrote: »
    sorry i did not realise 2 guys on bikes and 2 girls walking was a riot, the cops seemed to have little knowledge themselves as they were heading forward only shifting direction after seeing the bikers (on small bikes granted).

    The description on the video says they were being followed via helicopter from a riot.


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    #5150
    foxinsox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭foxinsox


    If there is a shortage of places in prisons in the UK, I have a great solution.

    Find an uninhabited island (rock) off the coast of England, further north the better (colder).

    Ship all the looters/rioters/thieves/thugs to this island to serve their sentences.

    They are only allowed wear the clothes they were wearing while looting - hoodies are great for extreme cold :D

    For food they only get Tesco brand rice.
    One lighter between every five people.
    One roll of bog roll each on arrival.
    No guards - leave them to amuse each other on the island.


    Oh.. and when their sentence is finished they get to swim home.


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    #5151
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It's time to grow up Monty and face up.
    Hello?

    To what?


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    #5152
    kleefarr
    Registered Users Posts: 5,743 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Nothing to report tonight??

    Went quiet very quickly. Suppose it could change when it gets dark.


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    #5153
    norris_minor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭norris_minor


    the skanger culture also heralded a dramatically higher instance of broken homes. one such reason was fathers were less likely to stick around and father the child they had sown; often with a bun in another oven whilst mothers oft only wished to have the child with a view to lone parent's allowance and other benefits whilst the father was done away with. Discarded. mostly to his satisfaction so he could philander elsewhere in the event he not already been doing so.. All this, to the sound of rave/hip-hop and it's own many offshoots


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    #5154
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Hello?

    To what?

    Just leave it, let the madness end !


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    #5155
    Phenomenally Phrank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭Phenomenally Phrank


    niallsparky wrote: »
    Typical scumbags on power trips. Kicking people who are lying on the ground :mad:

    You're the scumbag, STFU.

    mod: poster banned.


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    #5156
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Skunkle wrote: »
    Just leave it, let the madness end !
    I'd love to, but he's persisting with this 'chav race' thing, and claiming that I have no answer - without providing a question!


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    #5157
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    Given that there were hundreds of rioters out I dont see why they would target some random person minding their own business. The fact they ran from the police verified that even more.

    If you are cynical about the police you can guess they attacked random people for no reason. Personally I think its more likely they attacked one of the hundreds of rioters. Just logic.

    they were on bikes, to be honest if i came upon cops running down the street i think i would swing her around and move quick sharpish,

    the girls that were on the foothpath went into a bit of a wee jog themselves but it seems because they were girls there is no way they were involved, even though they also were in the same area.

    i would like to of seen the cops staying on the course they set of in which was probably towards the mob, instead of stopping for a practice run,

    and i sure dont not want to give them the power of logic either, give them the orders they should respond, we dont want to be confusing them.


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    #5158
    Yahew
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭Yahew


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    One thing professor....where does it say 'cause' in that definition I posted?

    It didn't. I was explaining cause and correlation to you.
    Next lesson....the difference in everyday usage between the words Politics and politics.

    In everyday usage there would be no difference. Well, to be fair, politics can be capitalised if it comes at the start of the sentence, otherwise you dont capitalise it.


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    #5159
    Ulysses Gaze
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I'd love to, but he's persisting with this 'chav race' thing, and claiming that I have no answer - without providing a question!

    There is no Chav race ffs. Or emo race.

    They're all sub-cultures.

    Like Punks, Teddy boys, Mods, Rockers, Metallers etc.


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    #5160
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I'd love to, but he's persisting with this 'chav race' thing, and claiming that I have no answer - without providing a question!

    I'm just as confused as you are as to how a stereotype constitutes a race but you have to stop encouraging these people.


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    #5161
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Yahew wrote: »
    In everyday usage there would be no difference. Well, to be fair, politics can be capitalised if it comes at the start of the sentence, otherwise you dont capitalise it.
    To be fair, I think he realises everyone knows he was talking out of his arse with the 'race of chavs' stuff, and now he's only trolling us.


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