London and UK riots (started in Tottenham 10:30PM, 6th Aug)

Richard Hillman

There is a large e-petition to remove the council house and benefits for rioters. If it reaches 100,000 they have to discuss it in the commons

Mint Sauce

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is a large e-petition to remove the council house and benefits for rioters. If it reaches 100,000 they have to discuss it in the commons

Seen that. Last night it was getting close to its target as well.

TwoShedsJackson

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is a large e-petition to remove the council house and benefits for rioters. If it reaches 100,000 they have to discuss it in the commons

Oh wow not an e-petition!! Those so often bring about real change!!

If they take the council house and benefits off these guys, the crime rate will be up straight away, and there's nothing a government hates more than rising crime rates.

These people are given council houses and benefits to keep them (mostly) out of sight and out of mind to your average voter.

denhaagenite

Ya I think it's this but it's actually crashed at the moment

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions?order=desc&sort=count&state=open

I think 100,000 signatures will be easy peasy, actually 1,000,000 would be easy to reach!!

R P McMurphy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG-grEl6RG4

DominoDub

I think they should round up all looters put them on a Island and sell the TV rights to a "Battle Royale" style show to pay for the damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-T7yPJVvXw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Royale_%28film%29

fryup

fryup wrote: »

I blame the Vicky Pollards of this world... creating feral youth after feral youth

and the welfare system for encouraging it (its the same in this country)

Monty Burnz wrote: »

But for some reason, that's not really up for debate. Same as changes in the criminal justice system to keep violent recidivists from further harming the public - it's just not on the table for discussion.

did anyone see the black guy (youth worker) on channel 4 news last night?........he was bang on the money

he said it was no wonder you have kids running around crazy when most of them have no father figure in their lives to give them discipline

"you have children (teenage girls) having children and its a recipe for disaster "

he was dead right to say it

denhaagenite

This is far more sickening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNpRdOlhSeI

The one you have posted is completely out of context, what has probably happened is the coppers were radioed by colleagues giving them a heads up on whatever those kids were up to.

Mint Sauce

New advert for british tourism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gUMdnW_07s

littlefriend

denhaagenite wrote: »

Rihanna singing about how she "likes the way it hurts" was a disgrace following her assault

OT but couldn't agree with you more on this.

denhaagenite

littlefriend wrote: »

OT but couldn't agree with you more on this.

Honestly thought I was the only one who felt like this. She made more money out of that assault than she would have made in her whole career if it hadn't happened. She's not Tina Turner. And her latest song about murdering someone who's raped her, why is she not being boycotted? Her main fan base is 12 year old girls!!!

ontheditch2

R P McMurphy wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG-grEl6RG4

Get real will ya. The police should of being using heavy handed tactics from the first night. The only way these little scumbags will learn is when they take a beating. End of.

fryup

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ya but, in fairness that kid on the bike was doing nothing..just an onlooker by the looks of things

Morlar

InTheTrees wrote: »

Another thing that pisses me off is that I find i'm turning into a Right Winger on this, and its not my normal philosophy...

:mad:

Did you think everyone right wing started out that way ?

Dublin_Gunner

If this was Belfast they'd have sent in the TA by now.

Hopefully the worst of it is over. They should have used the opportunity to remove a fair chunk of the scum from the gene pool tbh.

denhaagenite

Morlar wrote: »

Did you think everyone right wing started out that way ?

Agreed, would refer to my sister as a "bleeding heart" sometimes just to get a rise (I'm very proud of her ). She has done work in Palestine and Guatemala for Amnesty International and all over the UK for Save the Children, but since muggings of both herself and her husband in Dublin over the last few years she has a slightly broader view of things.

Actually Save the Children may have contributed to her views aswell, some of the craythurs she saw were subjected to awful abuse at the hands of their benefit grabbing parents...

sensibleken

denhaagenite wrote: »

Agreed, would refer to my sister as a "bleeding heart" sometimes just to get a rise (I'm very proud of her ). She has done work in Palestine and Guatemala for Amnesty International and all over the UK for Save the Children, but since muggings of both herself and her husband in Dublin over the last few years she has a slightly broader view of things.

Actually Save the Children may have contributed to her views aswell, some of the craythurs she saw were subjected to awful abuse at the hands of their benefit grabbing parents...

You can be both. Im proud to be a left wing, pinko, socialist, liberal, bleeding heart liberal. But I've been a victim of crime more times than I can recall, most recently I've had to move because of ongoing crime and even an attempt on my life. I see nothing contradictory in wanting to help the disadvantaged advocating better equality and actively beating the living shít out of people that attack you or locking up repeat offenders for life

Dublin_Gunner

sensibleken wrote: »

You can be both. Im proud to be a left wing, pinko, socialist, liberal, bleeding heart liberal. But I've been a victim of crime more times than I can recall, most recently I've had to move because of ongoing crime and even an attempt on my life. I see nothing contradictory in wanting to help the disadvantaged advocating better equality and actively beating the living shít out of people that attack you or locking up repeat offenders for life

Nothing about being liberal states you cannot defend yourself / family / life.

Socialist totalitarianism lol

sensibleken

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Nothing about being liberal states you cannot defend yourself / family / life.

Socialist totalitarianism lol

yeah its just some right wing people will allege because your a liberal you want to hug rapists

moco

http://somethingniceforashraf.tumblr.com/

This is for that injured boy who was robbed..dunno if it's already been posted.

Duggy747

Bah, I'm off to London on the 25th and noticed my hostel was right beside Tottenham and Hackney when this all kicked off.

Oh well, at least I'll get some pretty pictures of burnt out buildings :pac:

Is mise le key

fryup wrote: »

"you have children (teenage girls) having children and its a recipe for disaster "

Nothing new learned in the past 40 years in society,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxYSkSB8Muk

moco

This may already have been posted too..The site is to busy to vote at the minute though..

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337

LordSutch

ontheditch2 wrote: »

The police should of being using heavy handed tactics from the first night.

I think something went wrong with your keyboard there^ but Yes, the police should have used heavy handed tactics from day one, they (the police) pussy footed for too long, and they were far too small in number to react properly, 'however' the riots did take everybody (including the police) by surprise. Thankfully the influx of an extra 10,000 police on day three of the riots seems to have kept a lid on the situation in London.
The other English cities seem to be suffering from copycat riots arson & looting.

Monty Burnz

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

These people are given council houses and benefits to keep them (mostly) out of sight and out of mind to your average voter.

I don't think it's working...

Monty Burnz

denhaagenite wrote: »

This is far more sickening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNpRdOlhSeI

The one you have posted is completely out of context, what has probably happened is the coppers were radioed by colleagues giving them a heads up on whatever those kids were up to.

I read elswhere that they were being tracked by police helicopter, although I've no confirmation at all.

Monty Burnz

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ya but, in fairness that kid on the bike was doing nothing..just an onlooker by the looks of things

The guy on the bike who was brought down by the other hoodie making a run for it?

Is mise le key

LordSutch wrote: »

I think something went wrong with your keyboard there^ but Yes the police should have used heavy handed tactics from day one, they (the police) pussy footed for too long, and they were far too small in number to react properly, 'however' the riots did take everybody by surprise, thankfully the influx of an extra 10,000 police on day three of the riots seems to have kept a lid on the situation in London.
The other English cities seem to be suffering from copycat riots arson & looting.

There was a guy on the radio yesterday who was former commader of the flying squad in england, he said it would be a disaster for the police to try & go in & begin arrests as it would take at least two officers to arrest one guy, then you see quickly massive assults on the police as they were spread out individually trying to arrest.

He went on to say that the police had learned from broadwater riots that when they escalate to this scale all they can do is try to contain them & make the arrest later on their terms, he said that the police did not have the go ahead to use water canons without high level permission.

It would appear the heirarchy of the police & politicians are the ones who dithered on this, not the ordinary guys on the ground.

TwoShedsJackson

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I don't think it's working...

These are the first serious riots in Britain since the 80s. Drop housing and benefits for this lot, and see how that improves things.

Monty Burnz

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

These are the first serious riots in Britain since the 80s. Drop housing and benefits for this lot, and see how that improves things.

'This' is only a symptom. The problem is elsewhere.