irish gov give ANOTHER 500,000 to africa....

CaSCaDe711

Tehachapi wrote: »

As horrible as it is to say, they should be allowed to die off. Africa's problems will not be solved by financial intervention from the western world. We are just prolonging their suffering and doing them more harm.

What an utterly stupid comment.

whatdoicare

laugh wrote: »

So no children in Ireland face poverty due to irresponsible parents?

Like I said already - st vincent de paul, website, educate yourself. Sweeping generalisations are not reality.

Pete M.

lisar816 wrote: »

right so you pick the child then that child had to pick one of their children and so on and so the cycle keeps going and more and more money needed?
its about was is best in the long run and using your head not your heart

Ah the old evolution argument eh?
Survival of the fittest as perceived by the parent.
Say the other half disagrees?

And what cycle? And yes more and more money will be needed all the time.

Of course this is all about the short term.
They don't get the financial aid, then in the current system them kids die, simple enough.

The whole fcuking world is operating to a corrupt and unfair system that would rather see thousands of innocent buckeens die than let a couple of poxy, over fed, mega rich banking institutions collapse under the weight of their own ineptitude.

And you say let the head rule.

Of course I fcuking do.

There ain't any choice to be made if you don't have a functioning heart now is there?

Run_to_da_hills

0O7 wrote: »

http://www.wlrfm.com/news-and-sport/national-news/83243-ireland-to-boost-kenya-aid-by-500000.html



what about us???? dont think our country can afford to give anything away

They already spent just over a million on Africa.

Tehachapi

CaSCaDe711 wrote: »

What an utterly stupid comment.

I know it doesn't appeal to your compassionate side, but the action I am suggesting means only 100 people suffer in my scenario, the action you wish condoned (donating) means 5,000 people will suffer.

It's called logic.

upinthesky

CaSCaDe711 wrote: »

What an utterly stupid comment.

whats so stupid about that???

laugh

CaSCaDe711 wrote: »

What an utterly stupid comment.

Sounds like the kind of reasoning evidenced during the Irish famine, "There are just too many of those bloody paddies anyway old chum".

Awful_Bliss

El Weirdo wrote: »

But you're happy for us to take money from the likes of the Germans to bail out **** who took a few punts on our banks that went tits up?

Never said I was happy with it. I'm rightly p*ssed off with it seeing as I never bought any property during the boom. I wouldn't blame the Germans if they said hard cheese to us. Not happy seeing the Somalis starve to death either. I'm not callous!

WindSock

Tehachapi wrote: »

It's not solving anything though. If we fund enough so 100 people survive (who would have died otherwise), then they each have 7 children, and their children each have 7 children (common where there's a lack of contraception available) then in 50 years time you have almost 5,000 suffering and starving people in the exact same environment that led to poverty now.

As horrible as it is to say, they should be allowed to die off. Africa's problems will not be solved by financial intervention from the western world. We are just prolonging their suffering and doing them more harm.

It is a horrible thing to think that they should die off, like they are vermin.

They have so many kids, because their kids keep dying.

If aid was managed better they would have proper sanitation and education in place curb their babymaking and give themselves a chance to live better lives.

Of course the aid needs to be spent better for long term plans, but the aid that is needed now is not for that, it is only needed now to basically save lives.

Again, it is an emergency situation. A proper Famine. This money is needed right now.

johnmcdnl

Jaafa wrote: »

Thats disgraceful. How dare they give away money to the needy, sick and dying children. tut tut. For shame.

I agree with you.... I'm going to go to the bank first thing in the morning and take a loan of a couple hundred grand despite me being in debt as it is and I'm going to give it to all to some charity in Africa

johngalway

teol wrote: »

This is bull****. Why not drop the trade barriers with Africa and then stop the foreign aid that does **** all.

I've a better idea.

Why not tell Africa:

Stop having pointless bloody wars.
Stop thinking riding children will cure you of aids.
Stop supporting butchers/dictators.

They've been independent long enough to take responsibility for their own crap. Africa has fantastic natural resources, spectacular scenery, and great land to grow food.

But no, it's the same bloody story year in year out.

KINGVictor

0O7 wrote: »

currently we are borrowing money....

i dont think its right to borrow money and donate it to charity...

think i might go to the credit union tomorrow, take out another loan, then donate it to a non irish charity.... dosnt make sense. and if they feel the need to donate money i would prefer if they did to an irish charity, cancer research or something...

In reply to the bolded above....So are all others countries contributing to help the unfortunate people affected by the famine.

A lot of EU countries are funding Ireland to stay afloat and they themselves are borrowing ....What you decide to do with borrowed money is your prerogative but I do not think they world will collapse because Ireland decides to give €500,000 to people that are desperately in need of it...

As much as you would like to complain, the contribution (€500,000) that you have a problem with is probably a slight percentage of gate takings and drinks bought in Nite clubs around the country last night...

WindSock

lisar816 wrote: »

whats so stupid about that???

Yeah it is not nearly as stupid as calling Africa a country.

0O7

i dont think anybody in the country would mind giving away money if we had it, the fact is we dont...

everyday we are hearing stories of people losing houses, jobs...
suicide is on the rise, and alot of this is due to financial pressure...
we shouldnt be tryin to sort out other states until we can sort ourselves.

CaSCaDe711

Tehachapi wrote: »

I know it doesn't appeal to your compassionate side, but the action I am suggesting means only 100 people suffer in my scenario, the action you wish condoned (donating) means 5,000 people will suffer.

It's called logic.

I see your point, but to so easily suggest they should be allowed to "die off", that's disturbing. Why not suggest getting the corruption and aid issues solved first?

upinthesky

WindSock wrote: »

Yeah it is not nearly as stupid as calling Africa a country.

woops did i say that!!

Killer Pigeon

0O7 wrote: »

http://www.wlrfm.com/news-and-sport/national-news/83243-ireland-to-boost-kenya-aid-by-500000.html



what about us???? dont think our country can afford to give anything away

Well at least it's better than giving it to those wbankers.

El Weirdo

To all those saying that we shouldn't be giving them any aid:

Be careful what you wish for because if we don't pay this paltry amount now, what will we end up paying in our generous social welfare handouts of free buggies and free cars and free houses when they finally end up on our doorstep claiming asylum?

Fucking Daily Mail readers.

Jesus Wept

Why are these people procreating? I'll never understand it.

KINGVictor

johngalway wrote: »

I've a better idea.

Why not tell Africa:

Stop having pointless bloody wars.
Stop thinking riding children will cure you of aids.
Stop supporting butchers/dictators.

They've been independent long enough to take responsibility for their own crap. Africa has fantastic natural resources, spectacular scenery, and great land to grow food.

But no, it's the same bloody story year in year out.

Why not cop on yourself and think before posting...

You will surprised how many of those wars you refer to are funded and instigated by the west. It is also very rich that you are pontificating and advising other countries about sexual behaviour towards children!

dsmythy

But our hospitals and schools and rabble rabble rabble. I don't see why some Irish people don't give half their wages to the starving. Why don't you?

starviewadams

Should've given them more.

WindSock

lisar816 wrote: »

woops did i say that!!

Yup...

What's the capital of Africa? :pac:

mikemac

We should help the countries that the Irish State invaded when we were a colonial power...

Why aren't the countries that had empires like Belgium and Germany doing more?

Kidchameleon

WindSock wrote: »

Weh weh weh. Yeah we might have some problems but no one is ****ing starving to death here.

Tell that to the poor bastard I saw on the Ha'penny Bridge today...

Amirani

Tehachapi wrote: »

As horrible as it is to say, they should be allowed to die off. Africa's problems will not be solved by financial intervention from the western world. We are just prolonging their suffering and doing them more harm.

It'd probably be more beneficial to humanity to allow people with this level of ignorance to die off. That is a disgraceful post, you should be ashamed.

shanered

Eoin_Sheehy wrote: »

Better that than giving another cent to bondholders.

And you trust the lads over there?
It shouldn't be leaving the country, we're skint!

Killer Pigeon

The-Rigger wrote: »

Why are these people procreating? I'll never understand it.

Education. Seriously.

Plus the Pope.

hatrickpatrick

Sorry but...
€500,000 to people who are literally starving to death with no roofs over their heads...
€85,000,000,000 to people who chose to invest in banks and refuse to accept the logical fact that sometimes when you gamble, you don't get your money back.

I'm failing to get even remotely upset about the former, to be quite honest.

Jesus Wept

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Tell that to the poor bastard I saw on the Ha'penny Bridge today...

There are 15 places in Dublin City where homeless people can get a hot meal for free.

KINGVictor

mikemac wrote: »

We should help the countries that the Irish State invaded when we were a colonial power...

Why aren't the countries that had empires like Belgium and Germany doing more?

Is that your only reason for objecting assistance to help hungry/dying families and children?

About looking at it from from an empathetic point of view?

johngalway

KINGVictor wrote: »

Why not cop on yourself and think before posting...

You will surprised how many of those wars you refer to are funded and instigated by the west. It is also very rich that you are pontificating and advising other countries about sexual behaviour towards children!

You should take your own advice. You should also not make assumptions about peoples knowledge.

I don't fund African wars and I don't accept responsibility for other Western countries that may do so. Nor do I accept my taxes being sent to Africa. If these other Western countries want to send their taxes to Africa, bully for them, this thread is about €500,000 of Irish money - if you cared to read the OP.

You obviously haven't got the slightest notion of my stance regarding the Catholic Church and it's abuse of children either.

7sr2z3fely84g5

People have point really,we can barely afford to look after ourself s now,on radio other day social services are only answering the most extreme cases thanks to the recruitment block in the HSE,other people have barely any money left after paying their mortgage,anyone who was self employed cannot get the dole and forced to do cash in hand jobs if they can find work and are been fcking chased by the revenue.

its disgraceful to see during the good times,the blight of homelessness wasn't address because we where all too busy building houses and selling them to each other and thanking the FF fuhrer for giving us such good wealth.

cooperguy

I have no issue with it. Ireland may be down the crapper but we are still living the lives of millionaires compared to that part of the world.

WindSock

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Tell that to the poor bastard I saw on the Ha'penny Bridge today...

Oh yeah? Did he look like this?


I hate to be a little sensationalist with the images, but I think there needs to be a bit of reality check when reading what people say.

dsmythy

niallsparky wrote: »

It'd probably be more beneficial to humanity to allow people with this level of ignorance to die off. That is a disgraceful post, you should be ashamed.

Hand over your wages for the week.

Amirani

0O7 wrote: »

i dont think anybody in the country would mind giving away money if we had it, the fact is we dont...

everyday we are hearing stories of people losing houses, jobs...
suicide is on the rise, and alot of this is due to financial pressure...
we shouldnt be tryin to sort out other states until we can sort ourselves.

Financial pressure in Ireland is not being able to afford a new car, go on a holiday, have a big house or go out on the lash. None of our problems are in any way comparable to the problems in Kenya. So what if you lose your house or job? You still have your health and family, both eminently more important than anything else.

upinthesky

WindSock wrote: »

Oh yeah? Did he look like this?


I hate to be a little sensationalist with the images, but I think there needs to be a bit of reality check when reading what people say.

parents should be ashamed of themselves if this happened to one of my kids i wouldn't be so quick to have another!

Mack_1111

I'm all for foreign aid, but not to African countries with a bigger defence budget than Ireland; who spend that amount on munitions to satisfy the ambitions of a despot!

Jesus Wept

Anaya Moldy Ponytail wrote: »

its disgraceful to see during the good times,the blight of homelessness wasn't address

What are you basing this on?

Yakult

500k isnt a lot in todays world.

A cup of water from the ocean.

bigjohnny80

I assume the keyboard warriors here are the pricks I support their 200 euro a week dole on? Em I much rather it goes on the very needy in Africa.

Amirani

lisar816 wrote: »

parents should be ashamed of themselves if this happened to one of my kids i wouldn't be so quick to have another!

People in Africa need kids to support them in old age, there's no welfare system. You don't really have any insight into the plight of anybody in such poverty.

dsmythy

niallsparky wrote: »

People in Africa need kids to support them in old age, there's no welfare system. You don't really have any insight into the plight of anybody in such poverty.

Sound like horrible selfish people...

7sr2z3fely84g5

The-Rigger wrote: »

What are you basing this on?

Just in general,every night on tv we used to see the same ministers in jovial mood telling us we have booming economy,alot of people didn't benefit from it.

Amirani

dsmythy wrote: »

Hand over your wages for the week.

:rolleyes:

El Weirdo

dsmythy wrote: »

Hand over your wages for the week.

No one's asking anyone to hand over all their money. What is being spent is minuscule in the grand scheme of things.

upinthesky

niallsparky wrote: »

People in Africa need kids to support them in old age, there's no welfare system. You don't really have any insight into the plight of anybody in such poverty.

what????????your child is born starving your last two children died of starvation and your thinking about who is going to look after you when your older so you have another one?
think id starve myself to death rather then become old!

0O7

niallsparky wrote: »

Financial pressure in Ireland is not being able to afford a new car, go on a holiday, have a big house or go out on the lash. None of our problems are in any way comparable to the problems in Kenya. So what if you lose your house or job? You still have your health and family, both eminently more important than anything else.

you think EVERY irish person has a lovely house, and the worst thing they face is no holiday / car...

I have heard a story first hand where a person had to take work off as they could not afford to put petrol into their car to get there. somehow i think a holiday is the least of her worries.

Some parents are going to bed hungry as they have a choice : feed the kids or themselves.

Some irish (working) people are losing their houses, but they have their health???

maybe they dont, there is seriously long waiting list for people to see specialists, and this is only going to get worse. people are actually suffering as our health system is completely inadequate, to say the least.
But thats ok, once the africans rnt suffering AS BAD.... we should all suffer equally???

Amirani

dsmythy wrote: »

Sound like horrible selfish people...

So do you when you're giving out about sending 500,000 in aid to starving children.